By The Way…with Harriet Rose

Ever sent 173 texts to someone who didn’t want to date you? Sabrina Zohar has. But what makes us chase the people who aren’t right for us, even when we know better?

Dating coach and author of Why Am I Like This? Sabrina Zohar joins Harriet Rose to unpack anxious attachment, toxic dating patterns and why healthy relationships can sometimes feel more terrifying than unhealthy ones.

From sleeping her way through Manhattan to meeting her partner on Hinge, Sabrina shares the dating mistakes that changed her life. Plus, Harriet opens up about her own relationship history, why she kept falling for emotionally unavailable people and the lessons that finally helped her break the cycle.

ABOUT BY THE WAY

By The Way with Harriet Rose celebrates the art of the overshare. Forget the usual interview questions. Every guest chooses where the conversation starts, leading to unexpected tangents, hilarious confessions and conversations that go completely off-script.

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BAFTA-nominated actress Saffron Hocking, star of Top Boy, The Devil’s Hour, Moon Knight and Hit Point, joins Harriet Rose on By The Way to spill on her Arsenal obsession, dating disasters and life behind the scenes, revealing why she’s a self-proclaimed “born-again football hooligan”.

From turning up to Arsenal games in kitten heels and planning her wedding at the Emirates, to why she'd NEVER date a footballer from her favourite team, Saffron is making football hooliganism chic again.

Plus, she reveals her hilarious dating dealbreakers, why she takes her cats out in a pram (and even bathes with them!), and what really goes on behind the scenes of her acting career, from on-screen kisses to researching roles at a real police station.
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00:00 Meet Saffron Hocking: A Born-Again Football Hooligan

00:45 Making Football Hooliganism Chic Again

02:10 How Saffron Became Obsessed With Arsenal

04:26 The Date That Changed Her Life

06:27 Planning a Wedding at the Emirates

07:04 Why Saffron Would NEVER Date an Arsenal Player

07:46 Her Love for Arsenal Women, Leah Williamson & Chloe Kelly

09:11 Why Everyone Loves Saffron's Mum

10:36 Are Glory Supporters Really That Bad?

13:45 The Perks of Being a Football Girl

14:23 Harriet Tests Saffron's Football Knowledge

16:38 Why Saffron Refuses to Play Football

18:10 Football, Drinking Rules & Champagne at the Emirates

21:29 Meet Saffron's Cats, Figaro & Blue

22:14 Would Saffron Date a Dog Person?

22:45 Yes, Saffron Actually Bathes With Her Cats

24:01 Relationships, Pets & Dating Dealbreakers

26:00 Dating Stories and Cat-Related Drama

29:29 The Reality of Being a Famous Cat Mum

30:03 Finding a Man Who'll Push the Cat Pram

33:13 Behind the Scenes of Saffron's Acting Career

33:44 The Truth About On-Screen Kissing

35:27 Saffron's Detective Obsession

37:00 Going to a Real Police Station for Role Research

39:14 Method Acting, Police Badges & Getting Cancelled

40:35 Hit Point, The Devil's Hour & Final Confessions

Break Clause actor and poet Lucas Jones joins Harriet to talk death, grief, the afterlife and the signs from beyond that are almost impossible to explain.

Lucas has one belief he can’t shake: death is a myth. But what does he actually mean by that - and can experiencing loss completely change the way you look at being alive?

From losing a childhood friend to a mysterious voicemail that appeared months after someone died, Lucas and Harriet share the experiences that have made them question what really happens when we die. Harriet also opens up about losing her dad at 17 — and one unexplained moment that has stayed with her ever since.

And because this is By The Way, things take a turn. Lucas reveals the childhood identity he nearly adopted, a honeymoon encounter that may have uncovered a long-lost relative, and the bizarre school experience that changed how he saw himself. Plus, Harriet makes a confession about her teenage years that explains… quite a lot.

Content warning: This episode contains conversations about death, grief and bereavement, including the loss of a parent and a friend in a motorcycle accident. It also contains discussions of sex and sexual experiences, including references to teenage experiences, and strong language.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Meet Lucas Jones
00:32 “Death Is a Myth”
03:34 Losing Someone Too Soon
05:08 Where Do We Go When We Die?
07:32 Harriet Opens Up About Losing Her Dad
15:33 How Grief Changes You
17:23 Signs From Beyond
20:17 Do Coincidences Really Exist?
24:13 Do You Believe in Ghosts?
25:00 How Death Can Make You Live Better
26:14 BY THE WAY: Lucas Almost Renamed Himself “Ice”
30:22 Growing Up, Parties & Teenage Chaos
34:06 Harriet Realising She Was Gay
34:56 Marriage & Lucas’ Barbados Roots
38:03 BY THE WAY: Have You Seen Succession?
40:59 BY THE WAY: Lucas’ New Series Break Clause
43:17 Becoming a “Smooth Operator”
44:22 Growing Up Mixed Race
47:13 Why Talking About Death Doesn’t Have to Be Sad

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By The Way is the podcast where Harriet Rose skips the small talk and embraces the overshare. Guests choose what they actually want to talk about - leading to unexpected tangents, honest conversations and the kind of stories you don’t usually hear in an interview.

Kevin Twomey has a confession: he’s a university dropout. But somehow that’s only the beginning.The I’m Grand Mam host joins Harriet for a true overshare that goes from coming out and Catholic guilt to astrology, Irish families, disastrous nights out and Kevin’s unexpected talent for operating heavy machinery.They also find the funny side of grief, as Harriet and Kevin swap stories about losing their dads - including one particularly unforgettable moment at Harriet’s father’s funeral.00:00 Intro00:34 BY THE WAY?- UNIVERSITY DROPOUT03:55 Coming Out to His Dad07:22 From “Kevin 11” to Dropping Out08:50 Kevin’s Unexpected New Career11:48 Harriet Reads Kevin’s Star Sign15:54 French People, Duolingo & Airport Icks18:24 The University Experience Kevin Missed23:38 BY THE WAY, ALTER SERVER27:19 Finding the Funny Side of Grief33:52 BY THE WAY- THE NEWSREADER36:48 Kevin & Harriet Swap TV Obsessions38:40 I’m Grand Mam & Why Irish People Are Funnier41:30 The People You Instantly Click With

Welcome back to By The Way with Harriet Rose; the home of the chaotic overshare!

New Zealand comedian, actor, writer and director Alice Brine joins Harriet for a completely unfiltered conversation about boobs, body shaming and the bizarre things people think it’s acceptable to say about women’s bodies.

Alice opens up about being sexualised from a young age, why she avoided talking about having big boobs in her stand-up for years, and what finally made her decide to take ownership of the conversation.

Together they dive into beauty standards, being sexualised in the workplace, internet trolls and why commenting on someone’s body isn’t necessarily a compliment - even when you think it is.Alice also reveals why she can’t tell the time on an analogue clock, her disastrous relationship with maths and the very special classes that somehow got her through school.

Plus, bald men, unwanted pubes and dead parents! This is the ultimate unfiltered overshare.

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Welcome back to By The Way with Harriet Rose; the home of the chaotic overshare!

Two-time Drag Race winner, comedian, actor and all-round icon Jinkx Monsoon joins Harriet for a wonderfully witchy conversation. From accidentally setting a carpet on fire during a Judy Garland ritual to being raised by her very own coven of formidable women.

Together they dive into witchcraft, intuition and the divine feminine, before Jinkx opens up about her trans identity and discovering intersexuality within her family.

Jinkx also shares how her grandmother judged her drag looks long before RuPaul, the extraordinary prediction her psychic aunt made about her future, and why being visible for young trans people has given her career a much bigger purpose.

Plus, astral projection, religious trauma, Practical Magic, finding joy outside of work and what Jinkx is really looking for in a man.

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CW: This episode contains discussions of ableist language.

Welcome back to By The Way with Harriet Rose; the home of the chaotic overshare!

Multi-award-winning comedian, writer, actor and Taskmaster loser, Rosie Jones, joins Harriet for a brutally honest chat between two friends. From the Barbie story that should’ve been Rosie’s first clue she was a lesbian to living with cerebral palsy, nothing is off limits.

Together they tackle the questions about disability that so many people are too scared to ask, and why “getting it wrong” might actually be better than saying nothing at all.

Rosie also shares the heartbreaking story that changed the way she sees society, explains why she chose one of the most controversial words in the English language as the title of her documentary, and finally comes clean about her Pride DJ set.

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00:00 Welcome Rosie Jones!
01:30 The Barbie moment that should’ve been the first clue Rosie was gay
03:05 Did cerebral palsy make Rosie a better person?
10:30 The questions people are too afraid to ask about disability
17:40 ADHD, disability and who gets to use the label
24:50 Rosie’s controversial documentary and reclaiming the R-word
27:20 Fighting for disability rights and why Rosie speaks out
34:20 The four minutes that changed how Rosie sees society
42:40 Comedy as a defence mechanism

43:00 Did Rosie lose Taskmaster on purpose?
46:20 Rosie’s Pride DJ confession
49:25 Rosie’s final By The Way

Welcome back to By The Way with Harriet Rose; the home of the chaotic overshare!

In this episode, Harriet sits down with actor, writer and self-declared professional short king Ryan Sampson for a wildly entertaining chat that jumps from his heartfelt case for being put into a coma to the shocking reveal that Danny Dyer once did a runner from a Bulgarian restaurant without paying the bill.

If you love crochet content, hate perfectly branded influencers, and have ever cried in a work meeting, this one's for you.

Catch Ryan in The Other Bennet Sister and Brassic, plus his new show Mr. Big Stuff, streaming now on Sky!

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Welcome back to By The Way with Harriet Rose; the home of the chaotic overshare! In this episode, Harriet sits down with Eton-educated comedian Alfie Dundas for a wildly entertaining chat that jumps from his fiery hot take that most cuisine is overrated to the shocking reveal of his real name (spoiler: it's not Alfie). If you love Huel and hate new potatoes, this ones for you. Catch Alfie at the Edinburgh Fringe all August, plus his podcast The Alf and Soph Show, and get your tickets at alfiedundas.com! Don't forget to LIKE, SUBSCRIBE, and hit that NOTIFICATION BELL so you never miss an episode! 🔔

Welcome back to By The Way with Harriet Rose; the home of the chaotic overshare! In this episode, Harriet sits down with the internationally renowned British DJ, music producer, and all-around drag icon Jodie Harsh for a wildly entertaining chat that jumps from navigating 16 years of sobriety in a hedonistic industry to the nostalgic tragedy of London’s disappearing noughties nightlife.If you love a graveyard of iconic club stories, a touching reflection on friendship and the legendary Amy Winehouse, or need an extreme beauty hack involving hairspray to keep your makeup flawless on a hot summer day, this one is for you!

You Had to Be There: An Odyssey Through Noughties London, One Night at a Time is out in paperback now!

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Welcome back to By The Way with Harriet Rose; the home of the chaotic overshare! In this episode, Harriet sits down with the brilliant comedian, actor, and SNL legend George Fouracres for a wildly entertaining chat that jumps from deep-cut video game strategies to incredibly raw and insightful conversations about mental health.If you love cats with older-lady names, passionate historical rants, or need to know how to save your favourite wool sweater from shrinking, this one is for you!

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This week, Harriet sits down with the extraordinary House of the Dragon and Geek Girl star Em Carey to unpack everything from the intense psychological realities of sudden, stratospheric fame to the beautiful, fine art of the emotional overshare.Em opens up about the highly anxious experience of navigating their first-ever global press tour as a teenager, the bizarre, microcosmic reality of the "actor bubble" and the fuzzy lines that form when playing an anxious character. They get candid about growing up autistic, the primal desire to connect by laying one's vulnerabilities bare, and the deeply personal journey of reclaiming the word lesbian in a world lacking authentic representation.Em reveals the truth behind their childhood West End debut (and probably her favourite role to date) as Shrek in Shrek the Musical, recounts the exact moment they won the role of Alicent Hightower while standing up in their pyjamas eating pasta, and explains why a bench scene on set caused a massive, unexpected stir online. Em also shares a fantastic productivity hack regarding the agony of the big light.

By The Way, Kamille is DELULU.

This week, Harriet sits down with the extraordinary Grammy and Brit Award-winning singer, songwriter, and record producer to unpack everything from her sky-high imposter syndrome to her fiercely ambitious drive for worldwide success.

Kamille opens up about the dramatic, movie-like rainy afternoon she walked out of her stockbroker job on a lunch break and went straight to a recording studio. She gets candid about the high-anxiety realities of navigating the music industry, the soul-crushing experience of watching a flawless song get buried by the social media algorithm, and the painful lesson of being "negatively delusional" about fair-weather friendships in the past.

Kamille reveals the hilarious truth behind her secret vocals on massive Little Mix records, recounts her days of making hit music alongside a pre-fame Fred Again ... and explains why a well-funded food delivery budget is the ultimate key to writing a classic pop song. She also shares the beautiful, lockdown-fueled story of how a bold, delusional DM slide to her now-husband completely transformed her life and brought her two beautiful children.

This week, Harriet sits down with the phenomenal Irish chef, restaurateur, and MasterChef co-host to unpack everything from elevating humble family recipes at her Chelsea restaurant, Myrtle, to the beautiful, hidden history of Irish cuisine.

Anna opens up about the sweating and grafting reality of running a professional kitchen, why she completely rejects the idea of eating breakfast, and how a deep-set internal radar tells her body exactly when food is ultra-processed. She gets candid about her early career struggles, the emotional reality of generational food trauma rooted in the Irish famine, and the unforgettable moment she burst into tears when the mentor who taught her pastry walked through her restaurant doors after 20 years.

Anna reveals the hilarious reason she daydreams about sticking a stick into the wheel spokes of London cyclists, recounts her wild, helmet-less days driving a moped into walls in Paris, and explains why practicing the "invisible 10%" (doing the thing when absolutely nobody is watching) is the ultimate superpower for self-respect and success.

By The Way... Chris Hall can't talk to strangers, and he thinks the logistics of planning a group holiday is a total scam!

This week, Harriet sits down with the incredible comedian, performer, and sketch artist to unpack everything from his viral pandemic character comedy to his highly anticipated UK and Ireland tour, Pizzazz.

Chris opens up about the awkward realities of navigating new social situations, the self-esteem hurdles of growing up queer, and why he absolutely refuses to be at the end of a row at the cinema. He gets candid about his intense fight-or-flight response when ordering a coffee, how he relies on a "squad of loud girls" to break the ice for him, and why some babies simply refuse to vibe with him.

Chris reveals the hilarious reason he’s entering his "cat lady era" after his POV sketches struck a chord with animal lovers , recounts the excruciating time he froze for seven full seconds after being introduced to tiny gorgeous fairy queen Rachel Stevens , and explains why you should immediately send that email you've been stressing over for five days straight.

By The Way... Tove Lo never wants to grow up, and she thinks the timeline for having your life figured out is a total lie!

This week, Harriet sits down with the iconic pop visionary, musician, and songwriter to unpack everything from her generation-defining 2014 hit Habits to her highly anticipated sixth studio album, Estrus.

Tove Lo opens up about the realities of navigating her late 30s as a woman in the music industry, the societal pressure to conform, and the deep existential pain that fuelled her new record. She gets candid about her body and mind "having an argument" over the pressure to procreate, and addresses the negativity she occasionally faces as a happily married pansexual woman.

But it’s not all heavy talk; the pair also get incredibly honest about their personal lives. Tove Lo reveals the hilarious reason she is officially entering her "cat lady era," explains her mother's brilliant therapeutic advice on handling online hate, and why you should look forward to tit tassles.

Tove Lo's latest single "I'm Your Girl, Right?" is out now, and her new album Estrus drops this September! Don't forget to catch her live when she hits the UK this November, performing at the O2 Brixton Academy on November 7th before heading to Manchester!

By The Way... Aura goes to therapy, and she thinks you should too! This week, Harriet sits down with the rising alt-pop visionary to unpack everything from her mega-viral hits Panic Room and I Miss U to her upcoming debut album (dropping June 26th, mark your calendars!).

Aura opens up about the realities of trauma-dumping in writers' rooms, the grief of losing a favourite therapist, and how she channels her anxiety into beautiful, poetic world-building. But it’s not all deep talk; the pair also nerd out hard. Aura reveals the incredibly elite Lord of the Rings fan fiction she wrote at 11 years old (yes, she still knows Elvish), explains why she essentially cosplays as Au/Ra every single day, and discusses how she managed to land on the soundtrack for Netflix's live-action One Piece.

Aura's new single Rewire is out May 29th, and her debut album drops June 26th!

Don’t let the big energy fool you: Grace Campbell is officially reclaiming the word shy.

The comedian and professional over-sharer joins Harriet Rose to talk about the exhaustion of always needing to be 'on' for a living, the grief of a late ADHD diagnosis, and why she’s finally swapping the late night benders for a low-key balcony vibe.

It’s a deep dive into cutting the fat on your social circle, the genius of Robin Williams, and why trolls have absolutely no chance of beating Grace’s own internal monologue. From winning Mastermind to the medical dangers of putting a Malteser where it doesn't belong, Grace is chic, she’s dignified, and she’s probably going to put you off frubes for live.

Born into a proud British-Indian heritage, Charlie Jeer spent years working the doors in Canterbury; now, the Too Hot to Handle star is the one the crowds are queuing for.

The saxophonist and singer-songwriter talks about the wild shift from a life in security to a life in music.

We get into the story behind his new single, "Madonna," and how he’s carving out a space for "sexy-phonists" in a world of DJs and vocalists. Charlie opens up about the reality of being half-Indian, why he’s fully embracing his silver hair at 23, and that one heavy night on the job when he had to step in and save a kid from a dangerous situation.

In the first of our solo episodes with Harriet, she is talking us through her experience of freezing her eggs and what she wishes she'd known beforehand. It's a very personal one and we hope it resonates with some of you.

Just a quick heads-up before we start. While we’re talking about egg freezing, please remember that this podcast is Harriet sharing her very personal experience; it’s not actual medical advice.

Fertility stuff is incredibly personal and, honestly, pretty complex. What worked for one person might not be the right move for you. We aren't doctors, so please don't use this show as a replacement for professional medical care. Always chat with your own doctor or a fertility specialist before making any big decisions about your body or your future.

We’re catching up with the woman making 'pale and ginger' the ultimate power move: the brilliant Angela Scanlon. Angela and Harriet jump from 00's fake tan disasters to the historical weight of being a redhead. From the act of failing in public to the grounding magic of gratitude, this conversation is a all about being authentically defiant.

Whether she’s discussing the pressure to be perfect or why she hides from the sun like a "human bat," Angela reminds us that life gets better when you stop trying to 'pick a lane'. We're talking high-fashion energy, being your true self and a firm PSA on why you should always wear socks to bed.

Get ready to feel a million percent inspired (even if Angela insists that’s not a real number).

We’re sitting down with the legend that is Jordan Banjo. The dancer, presenter, and former Kiss Breakfast host talks with Harriet Rose about the realities of shifting your lens after a lifetime of high-pressure performing.

In this very honest chat, Harriet and Jordan dig into the "unmasked breath" they shared for two years during the pandemic, the aha moment of reconnecting with his faith, and the theory that having absolutely no goals is actually the secret to a happy life.

From the exhausting reality of the breakfast radio grind to his move into boxing, Jordan reminds us why it’s okay to embrace the chaos of being a man with a million jobs, prioritise your peace, and invest in a good old-fashioned rosemary oil and derma roller routine.

Essentially, it's two old friends catching up, and you're invited.

We’re catching up with the one man whose energy can actually rival Harriet’s: the incomparable Joel Dommett.The Masked Singer besties reunite for a chat that is equal parts heartfelt as it is chaos. In this beautifully frantic conversation, Joel and Harriet get into the technicalities of his world-class yet useless superpower - the ability to balance almost anything on his chin - and the much more difficult task of balancing a million jobs with being a dad, a husband, and a new businessman.From the hilarity of his niche physical talents to the vulnerability of modern fatherhood, Joel reminds us why life is better when you embrace the mess. It’s an episode that sits right at the intersection of pure chaos and genuine sentiment, proving that even when you're spinning a dozen plates, it’s the laughs that keep you upright.

We’re sitting down with the legend that is Cat Burns. The singer, songwriter, and Traitors star talk with Harriet Rose about the realities of living with autism.

In this beautifully honest (and sometimes slightly distracted) chat, Harriet and Cat dig into the "aha!" moment of a late diagnosis, why every autistic person needs an ADHD bestie, and the theory that cats are the most autistic animals on earth.

From the exhausting reality of "masking" as a black woman to the chaos of raising a puppy that just won't listen, Cat reminds us why it’s okay to be someone who values alone time, boundaries, and a good old-fashioned Geordie Shore binge.

We're joined by Girls Aloud legend, brand ambassador and all round superstar Kimberley Walsh as she tells Harriet Rose why she has officially entered her "screening calls" era in 2026.

In this nostalgic conversation, Harriet and Kimberley discuss the freedom of growing up "bored" in the woods and the struggle of raising Gen Alpha kids.

From Denise Van Outen’s podcast-length voice notes to the power of showing up for friends, Kimberley shows how to set boundaries whilst also remaining effortlessly cool.