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With a straight down the middle approach, Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive on Newstalk ZB delivers the very latest news and views to New Zealanders as they wrap up their day.
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Full Show Podcast: 13 November 2026
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Kent Williams: Pie Funds Head of Global Equities on Jensen Huang's resignation from Nvidia
Jensen Huang has quit as CEO of tech giant Nvidia, after news broke of a series of affairs. One was with an executive at his own company. He'd already admitted an affair with a woman from another company - who …
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Jensen Huang has quit as CEO of tech giant Nvidia, after news broke of a series of affairs.
One was with an executive at his own company.
He'd already admitted an affair with a woman from another company - who is also alleged to have been a Chinese spy.
It's been reported there was a third women.
Chief financial officer Colette Kress has been appointed interim boss
Beijing has warned the US not to use the spying allegations as a pretext to once again restrict tech sales to China
Pie Funds Head of Global Equities Kent Williams told Heather du Plessis-Allan the scandal will continue to impact the business.
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Adam Peacock: SEN and Keepin It Cricket host on Pat Cummins rejecting 'sandpapergate' allegations
Australian Test cricket captain Pat Cummins has rejected allegations made by former teammate Usman Khawaja regarding the infamous 2018 Sandpapergate scandal. The latest comments brought renewed attention to the …
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Australian Test cricket captain Pat Cummins has rejected allegations made by former teammate Usman Khawaja regarding the infamous 2018 Sandpapergate scandal.
The latest comments brought renewed attention to the events - with claims Cummins knew what was going on.
That is something the Australian captain rejects.
SEN Afternoon Host and Keepin It Cricket Podcast host joined Heather du Plessis-Allan to discuss.
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Perspective with Heather du Plessis-Allan: Can we please stop talking about this grand coalition idea?
Now, listen, just indulge me for a minute or two, because I'd love to address the worst idea of the week. No disrespect at all to Guy Haddleton, who I have a lot of respect for and credit with some very good …
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Now, listen, just indulge me for a minute or two, because I'd love to address the worst idea of the week.
No disrespect at all to Guy Haddleton, who I have a lot of respect for and credit with some very good ideas.
But his idea of Labour and National working together in government is the worst idea of the week. Every time I hear it, it annoys me so much. I can't even tell you how much.
I can see where Guy is coming from. His argument is basically that a two-party system managing the country would be better than four parties, ACT, New Zealand First, National and Opportunity, all trying to figure out how they're going to work together without the whole thing blowing up.
But the only good thing about Labour and National working together would be the relative stability. Beyond that, it would be absolute rubbish for this country.
If you want to sleepwalk into national poverty, go ahead and suggest this idea, because both of those parties actually lack the courage to address the gnarly issues we're dealing with.
And if right now you're going, "Oh, yeah? Give me an example", let me give you one: superannuation.
We have been warned about the cost of superannuation to this country since the 1970s. Think about that. For 50 years, this country has been governed successively by Labour and National governments. And which one of them has done something to deal with the superannuation problem?
Oh, that's right. For one hot minute, Roger Douglas of the Labour Party did.And then what happened? It got reversed. And what do we think of Roger Douglas now? Everybody hates him.
Honestly, I would rather have the so-called lunatic ideas of the Greens than the incrementalism of Labour and National combined in some sort of grand coalition for three years.
Because at least if we took a punt on the Greens' ideas, at least they would change things up. That would be better than doing nothing and sleepwalking into poverty.
I think we should actually be grateful for the minor parties and the courage they bring to politics. I don't think we should be thinking about ways we can exclude them.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Russell Craig: Former Microsoft NZ Technology Officer on massive global outrage
Questions remain about what may have caused a global outage to Microsoft services like Outlook - with still no long-term fix nearly 12 hours on. At least 74 countries have been impacted, including New Zealand …
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Questions remain about what may have caused a global outage to Microsoft services like Outlook - with still no long-term fix nearly 12 hours on.
At least 74 countries have been impacted, including New Zealand, Australia, the UK, and US.
Microsoft says it's now seeing partial recovery across some regions - but it's not sustained.
Agencies like Health New Zealand have been working to minimise the disruption.
Microsoft's former National Technology Officer Russell Craig told Heather du Plessis-Allan the company's operations are extremely complex, so it's easy for things to go wrong.
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Patria Hume: AUT Sports Performance Professor on the coroner ordering NZ Rugby to produce more than 1000 documents in CTE case
A plea for NZ Rugby to hand over more than a-thousand documents relating to head trauma in the sport. A joint inquest is set to examine the deaths of former players Shane Christie and Billy Guyton. Post-mortems …
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A plea for NZ Rugby to hand over more than a-thousand documents relating to head trauma in the sport.
A joint inquest is set to examine the deaths of former players Shane Christie and Billy Guyton.
Post-mortems showed the men had the brain disease CTE, associated with repeated head knocks.
Coroner Ian Telford's ordered the rugby governing body to provide documents showing the extent of its concussion research, and records on the two men.
AUT sports performance professor Patria Hume told Heather du Plessis-Allan the coroner needs a full summary of the facts.She says the coronial outcome provides recommendations for change, which people can implement.
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Enda Brady: UK correspondent on the UK Government potentially questioning TV bosses following David Walliams allegations
UK ministers have reportedly summoned multiple senior TV executives following the recent allegations made against David Walliams. The comedian and author was accused of inappropriate behaviour, including sexual …
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UK ministers have reportedly summoned multiple senior TV executives following the recent allegations made against David Walliams.
The comedian and author was accused of inappropriate behaviour, including sexual misconduct and grooming.
UK correspondent Enda Brady says there's growing calls for better leadership in the UK's media industry and people need to be held to account.
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Shane Solly: Harbour Asset Management expert on Nvidia reportedly looking to oust CEO Jensen Huang
The Wall Street Journal has claimed the board of Nvidia is preparing to oust its chief executive - after suggestions he's had a second affair. The high-end microchip supplier is considered instrumental in the …
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The Wall Street Journal has claimed the board of Nvidia is preparing to oust its chief executive - after suggestions he's had a second affair.
The high-end microchip supplier is considered instrumental in the global AI boom, and these developments have sparked concerns among industry experts.
Reports claim Jensen Huang had a relationship with a direct-report company executive - on top of his earlier affair with another woman believed to be a spy.
Harbour Asset Management's Shane Solly explained further, and unpacked what this could mean for the company's share price.
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The Huddle: What do we make of Luxon's leadership?
Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more! Former National Party …
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Tonight on The Huddle, Tim Wilson from the Maxim Institute and Jack Tame from ZB's Saturday Mornings and Q&A joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Former National Party president Sue Wood has written an open letter in The Post, urging party MPs to focus on reflecting their constituents' views before board views. Do we think she has a point here? What do we make of Luxon's leadership?
RNZ staff are planning to protest next week as the public broadcaster looks to cut jobs following an $11.8 million budget blowout. Do Impey and Thompson need to go?
Speaking of which, staff from The Warehouse went on strike today amid rising concerns about AI technology. Do we think they have a point here?
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Jamie Mackay: The Country host on the Ravensdown Canterbury A&P Show
The Country's Jamie Mackay is broadcasting from the Ravensdown Canterbury A&P Show. He spent the day catching up with fellow industry experts, and hearing insights from the farming community. He joined Heather …
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The Country's Jamie Mackay is broadcasting from the Ravensdown Canterbury A&P Show.
He spent the day catching up with fellow industry experts, and hearing insights from the farming community.
He joined Heather du Plessis-Allan to discuss further.
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Full Show Podcast: 12 November 2026
On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Thursday, 12 November, 2026, the union representing Radio New Zealand staff is calling for bosses to go after a $12 million budget blowout that'll …
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On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Thursday, 12 November, 2026, the union representing Radio New Zealand staff is calling for bosses to go after a $12 million budget blowout that'll cost jobs.
The Qualifications Authority chief executive tries to explain an NCEA exam malfunction affecting thousands of students.
Former National Party president Michelle Boag on whether criticism of the party's election campaign from another ex-president is fair.
And on The Huddle, Jack Tame and Tim Wilson with their take on Chris Luxon's leadership.
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Perspective with Heather du Plessis-Allan: Would a move to the centre really help the National Party?
Well, it seems it's the season to line up and take shots at the National Party, particularly if you're a past or current member. The latest, after Vanessa, Gerry, Don and Simon, is Sue Wood, a former National …
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Well, it seems it's the season to line up and take shots at the National Party, particularly if you're a past or current member.
The latest, after Vanessa, Gerry, Don and Simon, is Sue Wood, a former National Party president. She's written an open letter to MPs, published in The Post in Wellington, calling on them essentially to revolt behind closed doors against the party powers.
She tells them that, for the first time under MMP, they're not in their jobs because of Chris Luxon and the National Party board because none of them are list MPs. List MPs, as you know, get dragged in by the leader's popularity but electorate MPs have won their seats themselves.
That's broadly her argument. And for that reason, she says they have more power, can dictate terms and need to push back against the likes of Chris Luxon, the board and the kitchen cabinet around Luxon, and drag the party in a different direction.
Now, she doesn't say what that direction is but if you read between the lines, it sounds like she wants a move to the centre.
That's easier said than done, obviously, because the coalition parties will drag them right back to the right.
There's also some context you need here. Sue Wood is the mother-in-law of Matthew Hooton and has published this letter in his newspaper. He is well known for loving to cause trouble for the National Party so Sue will wear a little guilt by association here.
Now, she probably has the best of intentions but I'd say this is going to come to nothing.
Have a look at the National Party caucus that's left now. Too many of the MPs who were senior enough to push back against Luxon and the group around him, people like Simeon Brown, have been kicked out of Parliament. And too many of the MPs who remain are so new that they don't know any version of National other than this centrally controlled one.
Some will be overwhelmed simply by making it into Parliament. Some will be overwhelmed by the fact the party has managed to stay out of opposition. And many will be using all their energy right now to get to grips with new jobs and new portfolios.
The election is over, which means the threat to them is over as well. So I suspect the chances are that things will return to the status quo in the National Party rather than descend into revolt.
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Hayley Courtney: Workers First Union organiser on staff from The Warehouse striking amid AI job cuts and bathroom tracking
Over 300 unionised members of The Warehouse’s Auckland and Christchurch distribution centre teams walked off the job today, citing a growing rise in AI technology. There's fears that the new stock-taking drones …
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Over 300 unionised members of The Warehouse’s Auckland and Christchurch distribution centre teams walked off the job today, citing a growing rise in AI technology.
There's fears that the new stock-taking drones will lead to redundancies later down the track - and reported claims that the new AI tech has been monitoring bathroom breaks.
Workers First Union organiser Hayley Courtney says she can't give too much detail, but the union is working to address these claims.
The Warehouse Group has since denied the claims made by the union and labelled them 'grossly misleading'.
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Michelle Boag: former National Party president responds to claims made by Sue Wood in open letter
Two former National Party presidents have now spoken out about changes to the party, since it introduced a corporate structure. Sue Wood has written an open letter in The Post, urging party MPs to focus on …
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Two former National Party presidents have now spoken out about changes to the party, since it introduced a corporate structure.
Sue Wood has written an open letter in The Post, urging party MPs to focus on reflecting their constituents' views before board views.
Another former President, Michelle Boag, says a lot's changed since the National Party board was born in the early 2000s.
"I think that has meant the members don't have the influence in terms of policy and philosophy that they used to have."
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Dave Beeche: Real NZ head on the Chinese market helping boost tourism in New Zealand
New Zealand's firmly on the radar for Chinese tourists. Stats NZ data shows overseas arrivals hit 273,00 in September - 4 percent above a pre-pandemic record from 2019. We've had extra-high tourist numbers from …
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New Zealand's firmly on the radar for Chinese tourists.
Stats NZ data shows overseas arrivals hit 273,00 in September - 4 percent above a pre-pandemic record from 2019.
We've had extra-high tourist numbers from Australia, China, America, Taiwan and Singapore.
Real NZ Head, Dave Beeche, says one country in particular leads the pack.
"Year on year, we saw about 35 percent growth in the Chinese market - it comes back to that safe and secure destination and those visa rules we've put in place."
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Christian Hawkesby: NZQA chief executive on the website glitch that disrupted NCEA exams
The head of NZQA boss says systems will be checked, to avoid more mass website glitches during digital exams. Students taking Level Two English exams this morning will be offered derived grades if needed after …
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The head of NZQA boss says systems will be checked, to avoid more mass website glitches during digital exams.
Students taking Level Two English exams this morning will be offered derived grades if needed after tech issues lasted for about an hour.
Chief executive Christian Hawkesby says there were no problems with exams this afternoon.
"We've got no exams tomorrow, we've got some time to keep working through it - early Tuesday, that is the other large exam ahead of us."
Caretaker Education Minister Erica Stanford says students were badly let down, and she's asked NZQA for an action plan by tomorrow.
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Rachel Mackintosh: E tū Union national secretary speaks ahead of planned RNZ demonstration protesting cost blowouts and job losses
E tū union says RNZ's board members should be shown the door over a financial blunder, by which a near-half-million-dollar deficit blew out to almost $12 million. It's led the state broadcaster to announce …
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E tū union says RNZ's board members should be shown the door over a financial blunder, by which a near-half-million-dollar deficit blew out to almost $12 million.
It's led the state broadcaster to announce it'll axe 58 jobs.
Now the union plans to strike - and is demanding chief executive Paul Thompson and chair Brent Impey resign.
E tū Union national secretary Rachel Mackintosh says it's not fair workers' livelihoods have ended up on the line.
"We are asking for accountability for that entire leadership, because they are the ones who have made the blunder, it is not the people who are now facing the sack."
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Barry Soper: Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent on former National Party president Sue Wood's open letter about the party's election campaign
A former National Party president is urging the caucus to reflect constituents' views. On preliminary results, all National MPs in Parliament have been elected by winning a seat, rather than coming in on the …
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A former National Party president is urging the caucus to reflect constituents' views.
On preliminary results, all National MPs in Parliament have been elected by winning a seat, rather than coming in on the list.
Former National top dog Sue Wood has written an open letter in The Post newspaper, saying candidates succeeded despite a campaign she calls lacklustre.
Newstalk ZB senior political correspondent Barry Soper unpacked the statement further - and weighed in on whether it was a step too far.
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Murray Olds: Australian correspondent on Australian cricket captain Pat Cummins making a statement about ball-tampering allegations
Australia captain Pat Cummins has been facing pressure to front the media after recent allegations surfaced, and he's set to make a statement on Friday. Usman Khawaja claimed in his new autobiography the whole …
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Australia captain Pat Cummins has been facing pressure to front the media after recent allegations surfaced, and he's set to make a statement on Friday.
Usman Khawaja claimed in his new autobiography the whole team, including Cummins, knew about the plot to rough up the ball with sandpaper during the infamous test match against South Africa in 2018.
Australian correspondent Murray Olds says Cummins made a statement saying he'd address all the allegations that were made.
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D'Arcy Waldegrave: Sportstalk host on Pat Cummins planning to address Usman Khawaja's ball-tampering allegations
Australia cricket captain Pat Cummins is planning to front up on Friday in order to address the claims made by former team-mate Usman Khawaja in his autobiography. Khawaja has accused the entire team of knowing …
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Australia cricket captain Pat Cummins is planning to front up on Friday in order to address the claims made by former team-mate Usman Khawaja in his autobiography.
Khawaja has accused the entire team of knowing about using sandpaper to tamper with the ball during their 2018 test series in South Africa.
Sportstalk host D'Arcy Waldegrave says it's important that he 'fesses up' so the cricket world can move on.
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Don Braid: Mainfreight CEO on the company's half year profit going up by 66 percent to $155 million
It's been a good day for Mainfreight, with the company's half-year profit going up by 66 percent on the same period last year. The transport operator posted an after-tax profit of $155 million in the six months …
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It's been a good day for Mainfreight, with the company's half-year profit going up by 66 percent on the same period last year.
The transport operator posted an after-tax profit of $155 million in the six months to the end of September.
CEO Don Braid says this is down to good performances across the board - but fuel prices remain a concern.
"It's a pain in the butt, it's difficult, it's not easy, we've got to pass the fuel onto our customers, which makes the relationship with the customer more testy - but at the end of the day, it's part of what we do."
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Gavin Grey: UK correspondent on whether UK police will investigate David Walliams allegations
It's now a waiting game to see if UK police take legal action against David Walliams amid allegations he used his celebrity status to pursue teenage girls for sex. The comedian and author tried to gain an …
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It's now a waiting game to see if UK police take legal action against David Walliams amid allegations he used his celebrity status to pursue teenage girls for sex.
The comedian and author tried to gain an injunction against ITV News and the Guardian, ahead of them reporting the allegations of sexual misconduct and potential criminal activity.
UK correspondent Gavin Grey says it's unknown if charges will be filed at this stage.
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Jenee Tibshraeny: NZ Herald Wellington business editor on Westpac looking to limit lending against flood and slip-prone properties
Westpac is taking steps to limit lending against 'risky' properties, particularly those in flooding and slip-prone areas. This means customers will not be able to borrow as much as they wish to buy property …
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Westpac is taking steps to limit lending against 'risky' properties, particularly those in flooding and slip-prone areas.
This means customers will not be able to borrow as much as they wish to buy property that is particularly exposed to natural hazards in order to cut down on risks.
NZ Herald Wellington business editor Jenee Tibshraeny explains further.
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Jeremy Hutton: Milford Asset Management expert on the market reactions to latest US inflation print
Inflation is starting to run hot in the US, and it's got experts speculating about the future. The ongoing Iran conflict has contributed to a spike in fuel prices, which has inspired sell-offs in the bond …
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Inflation is starting to run hot in the US, and it's got experts speculating about the future.
The ongoing Iran conflict has contributed to a spike in fuel prices, which has inspired sell-offs in the bond markets.
Milford Asset Management expert Jeremy Hutton explained further.
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The Huddle: Does Harry Mowbray have a point?
Tonight on The Huddle, Auckland councillor Maurice Williamson and former Green MP Gareth Hughes joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more! Harry Mowbray claimed the large bloc …
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Tonight on The Huddle, Auckland councillor Maurice Williamson and former Green MP Gareth Hughes joined in on a discussion about the following issues of the day - and more!
Harry Mowbray claimed the large bloc of swing voters who shape the balance of power in elections are 'female' who 'vote emotionally' and pull politics left. He's copped some backlash over this, but does he have a point?
What are we going to do with David Walliams' books and TV shows now that the allegations have come out?
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Full Show Podcast: 11 November 2026
On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Wednesday, 11 November, 2026, we talk to a bookseller about David Walliams' books being pulled from shelves after it was revealed the children's …
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On the Heather du Plessis-Allan Drive Full Show Podcast for Wednesday, 11 November, 2026, we talk to a bookseller about David Walliams' books being pulled from shelves after it was revealed the children's author is accused of "grooming girls".
Qiulae Wong reveals details on meeting Chris Luxon, who repeatedly ruled out working with Opportunity.
How an Auckland Airport strike could affect your travel plans.
And on The Huddle, we ask Maurice Williamson and Gareth Hughes if Harry Mowbray's right in saying women vote emotionally.
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Perspective with Heather du Plessis-Allan: Harry Mowbray's not wrong about women voters
Jeez, Harry Mowbray's clearly not afraid of poking a bear, eh? Fresh from publicly arguing with the National Party over vote-splitting, he's now complaining publicly that elections are decided by women who vote …
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Jeez, Harry Mowbray's clearly not afraid of poking a bear, eh? Fresh from publicly arguing with the National Party over vote-splitting, he's now complaining publicly that elections are decided by women who vote emotionally and pull politics to the left.
Now, I'm 100 percent sure he's going to cop it for this, but I actually don't disagree with him. I think he's almost, almost entirely right.
So, his central argument here is basically that political parties target four-wheel-driving mums with two kids in Remuera because those are the swing voters, and he's not wrong. I mean, I myself have said this on the show to you: women decide elections, particularly mums, because mums are the key decision-makers in homes. I know dads aren't going to agree with this but all the women out there will be nodding their heads right now.
Now, Harry then goes on to complain that these women vote left and again, he's not wrong. I mean, just go and read one piece of Curia Research, the polling company. Go and have a look at a bit of their analysis. They've done pages of it. They have found that the centre-right parties, ACT, National and New Zealand First, lost women voters at the last election. Those women went to the Greens, the Opportunities Party and Labour.
The question is where Harry gets into a little bit of trouble. It's when he suggests it's because women vote emotionally. The truth of the matter is that we all vote emotionally, all of us, whether we're men or women. Political parties actively try to tap into this.
There are differing opinions on what that emotion is, but some people say women tend to vote predominantly with empathy because they are more empathetic. Men tend to vote predominantly with anger, which is why you're going to find a lot of men voting for populist parties that actively drive anger.
It's logical, then, to think that women would be more likely to support left-wing parties, right? Because these are parties that appeal to empathy by promising more welfare for those doing it tough and you can see how a woman would go for that.
Now, for the record, I think female empathy did play a part but as I've said before on this show, I think it's also partly because women and mums run the household budgets a lot of the time and they know how hard things have been in the cost-of-living crisis we're now coming out of.
So mums might have been more won over by the freebies, such as free doctors' visits. It was emotion, yes, but it was also the reality of what was going on with the household budget.
So, before you get too angry with him, just like with the vote-splitting campaign, Harry's not wrong. In fact, he's mostly bang on.
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Andrew Peskett: Radius CEO on the company reporting an increase in net profit after tax
Radius Health is seeing a boost, with the company reporting an increase in profit. The company lifted its half-year net profit by 27 percent to $8 million. Radius CEO Andrew Peskett says he's 'pleased with this …
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Radius Health is seeing a boost, with the company reporting an increase in profit.
The company lifted its half-year net profit by 27 percent to $8 million.
Radius CEO Andrew Peskett says he's 'pleased with this result, and what it means for the future of the sector.
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Qiulae Wong: Opportunity Party leader on her meetings with the leaders of Labour and National
Opportunity leader Qiulae Wong's had a busy schedule over the last few days, having met with National's Chris Luxon and Labour's Chris Hipkins for the first time. She was also recently spotted having a drink …
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Opportunity leader Qiulae Wong's had a busy schedule over the last few days, having met with National's Chris Luxon and Labour's Chris Hipkins for the first time.
She was also recently spotted having a drink with Green Party co-leader Chlöe Swarbrick.
Qiulae Wong says it's important to be building these relationships, regardless of how things shake out politically.
"Regardless of what happens, we're going to be working with all of these people over the next few years, and hopefully beyond that. So yeah, I'm enjoying just getting to know people."
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Caryn Zinn: AUT Professor of Nutrition on the new research into the health benefits of carbs
Carbohydrates have been demonised and framed as unhealthy for decades, but new research indicates there's some benefits in the mix too. New research from University of Sydney suggests eating more of the right …
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Carbohydrates have been demonised and framed as unhealthy for decades, but new research indicates there's some benefits in the mix too.
New research from University of Sydney suggests eating more of the right kinds of carbs could help people age better, and turn back the biological clock.
AUT Professor of Nutrition Caryn Zinn says this research was conducted well, but 'dietary cleanup' matters too.
"These groups cleaned up their diet, they ate more vegetables, they ate more fibre - so that will do it, that will make you live longer if you do dietary cleanup."
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