Chaos in the Interregnum: Navigating Australia’s Technology, Strategy and Security Choices with Mick Ryan

In this episode of Technology & Security, Dr Miah Hammond-Errey is joined by Major General Mick Ryan to examine how emerging technologies are reshaping war, alliances, and societies at a moment of profound global uncertainty. Ryan argues that the post-World War II order has ended, leaving democracies in an interregnum characterised by growing chaos. Against this backdrop, technology—from AI and autonomous systems to information and cognitive warfare—is not removing friction from conflict, but accelerating it, widening its surface area, and increasing the consequences of strategic misjudgement.

Drawing on his recent work, Ryan explores lessons from Ukraine as a laboratory for contemporary conflict, emphasising that the most transformative shift is not drones or AI, but the speed at which societies and institutions can learn and adapt. This episode examines the changing role of alliances, the tension between values and interests, the risks of over-reliance on technology without organisational reform, and the ethical limits of AI in decision-making. The conversation concludes with an assessment of national resilience—economic, cyber, physical, and societal—and the need for clearer public conversations about risk, preparedness, and the responsibilities of citizenship in an increasingly contested world.

Major General Mick Ryan (Ret’d) is a former senior Australian Army commander and leading analyst of war, strategy, and emerging technologies, currently a Senior Fellow at the Lowy Institute and Fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).