The real danger is the gap BETWEEN two robots | E29
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Today’s show:
Anthropic gave AI agents hands, allowing them to control real-world equipment like robots and microscopes… but is it safe to give autonomous agents their own lasers? Gatik’s Gautam Narang says the real danger isn’t one machine like this going rogue, it’s the exploit surface hiding in the gaps between the machines.
Plus, in a huge week for AI news… OpenClaw shipped its biggest release ever. AND the entire industry debated whether or not agents are forming “civilizations.”
On TWiAI Ep 29, our expert panel — including Gautam (Gatik), Russ d’Sa (LiveKit), and Billy Kraft (Path) — explores the world of “multiplayer agents,” and Jason suggests the one killer feature that would make any new agentic app the market leader. PLUS Perplexity’s new “Hybrid Compute” just for Macs, some advice for Apple’s new CEO John Ternus, the value of “AI Detectors” like Pangram, and Jason’s complete guide to tipping and over-tipping.
Guests:
Gautam Narang on X: https://x.com/gautam_narang?lang=en
Gatik: https://www.gatik.ai/
Russ d’Sa on X: https://x.com/dsa
LiveKit: https://livekit.com/
Billy Kraft on X: https://x.com/billykraft
Path: https://path.dev/
Relevant Links:
OpenClaw 2.0 - https://openclaw.ai/blog/openclaw-2-accidentally
Grok Bot — https://grok.com
Buzz — https://buzz.build
Perplexity Hybrid Compute — https://www.perplexity.ai/hub/blog/introducing-hybrid-compute-on-mac
John Ternus — https://www.apple.com/leadership/john-ternus/
OpenAI's Mac mini / Mac Studio buying spree https://the-decoder.com/openai-and-rival-ai-labs-are-buying-tens-of-thousands-of-mac-minis-to-train-computer-use-agents/
Waymo hits a child — https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/waymo-nhtsa-crash-child-school.html
Timestamps:
2:58 OpenClaw 2.0
5:11 "Agents ARE AI"
7:27 Billy: OpenClaw is still too technical for business users
9:00 Slack Code, and collaborative prompting
10:40 Multi-agent orchestration and Stripe's "minions"
14:13 Slack's moat, switching costs, and the Salesforce rebound
15:11 Jason's "Oracle": a heads-up display for the whole company
18:42 The Hugging Face breach: who's responsible when agents go rogue?
19:42 Perplexity launches Hybrid Compute — local models on your Mac
21:39 Why unmetered local tokens change corporate behavior
26:57 Gatik's Autonomous Vehicle AI Stack
32:22 Jason's Tesla FSD stories
34:05 Are AV companies being pushed to move too fast?
41:38 Trucking is a "have to have," robotaxis are a "nice to have"
42:36 Jason's fix: a safety driver for the first million rides
46:50 Why physical AI's adoption curve runs in decades
52:21 Anthropic's Model Hardware Standard (MHS), explained
1:06:27 How Jason got onion rings on the menu at Buck's of Woodside
1:09:05 AI detectors under fire: Pangram, MIT, and the handwritten diary
1:15:20 Why AI is "very mid" at writing (it learned from the average)
1:17:11 The Orin Kerr test: Pangram catches Claude writing as Kerr
1:28:35 Micro Duck and designing robots with Claude
1:29:42 Phil Kaplan's $14 custom circuit boards
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