With The Perrys
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À propos du podcast
With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
Épisodes 161
Imprecatory Prayers, Friendship, and Jesus with Nona Jones
What do you do with the pain that remains after you’ve forgiven someone? If we look to the Bible for guidance, we see that one-third of the Psalms are “imprecatory prayers,” or prayers for justice or vengeance …
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What do you do with the pain that remains after you’ve forgiven someone?
If we look to the Bible for guidance, we see that one-third of the Psalms are “imprecatory prayers,” or prayers for justice or vengeance. It’s in those prayers that we can find some helpful language for handing over that grief and anger to God, trusting Him with the outcome.
Nona Jones joins Jackie and Preston to talk about her new book, “The Power of Petty Prayers.” They discuss why we can’t always wait for resentment to disappear before choosing to love, and how bitterness can become a debt we unknowingly hold against others.
Check out Nona’s new book, “The Power of Petty Prayers: How to Heal Your Hurt When You're Wounded, Weary, and Just Plain Mad” – https://www.amazon.com/Power-Petty-Prayers-Youre-Wounded/dp/0310368308/
Connect with Nona
Scripture references
Psalm 35
Matthew 11:28
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From Dust to Dust: A Conversation with Jen Wilkin on the Theology of Aging
What does the Bible teach us about aging, and how might our perspective change if we viewed getting older through a theological lens rather than a cultural one? Preston and Jackie sit down with Jen Wilkin to …
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What does the Bible teach us about aging, and how might our perspective change if we viewed getting older through a theological lens rather than a cultural one?
Preston and Jackie sit down with Jen Wilkin to discuss what Scripture says on the topic, explored further in Jen’s new book “Dust to Dust, Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World.”
Jen, Jackie and Preston talk about why our culture often approaches aging with fear and contempt, how the fall has shaped our experience of our bodies, and what it looks like to embrace aging as part of the story God is telling. They also discuss caring for aging parents, embracing our own future dependence, honoring the wisdom of older generations, and the church’s responsibility to care for people throughout their entire lives.
Check out Jen’s new book, “Dust to Dust: Aging Wisely in an Anti-Aging World” – https://www.amazon.com/Dust-Aging-Wisely-Anti-Aging-World/dp/B0GL4W27PX/
Connect with Jen and check out her Bible studies
“At My Mother’s Deathbed, I Discovered the Symmetry of a Long Life” (Jen Wilkin, Christianity Today)
Scripture references:
Genesis 1, 2 and 3
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Moving from Bitterness to Resilience with Toni Collier
Pain changes us, and it can make us bitter before it makes us resilient. We can also become more attached to our pain than to our Savior, and that’s idolatry. Toni Collier joins the Perrys to talk about what …
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Pain changes us, and it can make us bitter before it makes us resilient. We can also become more attached to our pain than to our Savior, and that’s idolatry.
Toni Collier joins the Perrys to talk about what bitterness looks like and what it means to reckon with our suffering instead of running from it. Toni and Preston discuss their individual experiences with ADHD and how their brains uniquely process trauma and pain. Toni unpacks her experience with EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy and how it creates the space to process through hard things. Toni, Jackie and Preston together point to the fact that healing is a communal project – healing requires bringing our suffering to the Lord and to safe people in our lives.
Connect with Toni
Check out two seasons of Unshakeable Moxie, a FREE video series from Our Daily Bread, co-hosted by Toni Collier:
www.odbm.org/en/media/unshakable-moxie
Scripture references:
Judges 4
Ruth 1:20
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Gangs, Sinless Perfection, and Throwing Hands: Storytime with The Perrys
Y’all love a “storytime” episode and it’s been a while since the Perrys recorded one. The Perrys cover a wide range of topics, from legalism and the idea of “sinless perfection” to stories about identity …
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Y’all love a “storytime” episode and it’s been a while since the Perrys recorded one.
The Perrys cover a wide range of topics, from legalism and the idea of “sinless perfection” to stories about identity, “hood” dynamics, and pretending to be someone you’re not.
Jackie and Preston discuss the theology of justification and sanctification as they remember meeting someone during a stop on a poetry tour who claimed he had not sinned in 10 years.
Then you’ll hear some high-school Jackie stories – like the time she was a fake gang member on her old Black Planet page – plus Preston’s recollection of the time he got robbed in Nigeria for multiple hours.
It’s a funny one – enjoy.
Scripture references:
Romans 7:13-20, 23-24
Romans 7:5
1 Corinthians 1:2
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Healing Mother Wounds with Dr. Sarita Lyons
We hear a lot about people experiencing “father wounds” but what about those who carry heartache, anger or sorrow because of a wounding mother? When Dr. Sarita Lyons joined Jackie for the Glory Conference in …
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We hear a lot about people experiencing “father wounds” but what about those who carry heartache, anger or sorrow because of a wounding mother?
When Dr. Sarita Lyons joined Jackie for the Glory Conference in 2023, an attendee asked about navigating difficult relationships with mothers. Feeling burdened by the Holy Spirit after that interaction and many conversations that followed it, Dr. Sarita has written a book to help people grieve honestly and heal deeply.
Jackie, Preston and Dr. Sarita Lyons discuss what it means to honor your mother while still acknowledging the ways you’ve been hurt. They explore the difference between godly sorrow and condemnation, what it looks like to hold truth and grace together, and how the Gospel offers hope for wholeness.
Check out “Honor Thy Mother: How to Grieve, Heal, and Make Peace with Your Mother Wounds” – www.saritalyons.com/honor-thy-mother-book
Connect with Dr. Sarita Lyons
www.instagram.com/drsaritalyons
Honor Thy Mother Conference in October – saritalyons.com/honorthymotherconference
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A Church Divided Cannot Stand with Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez
People say, “We’re more divided than ever before,” but are we okay with that, or are we going to do something about it? Are we normalizing division and disrespecting God by not prioritizing something He does? …
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People say, “We’re more divided than ever before,” but are we okay with that, or are we going to do something about it? Are we normalizing division and disrespecting God by not prioritizing something He does?
Jackie and Preston are joined by Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez for a conversation on fighting for unity in the church. Unity does not mean erasing differences to have complete uniformity – that can lead to tribalism, idolatry, and ultimately dehumanization. The church has to be willing to lean into discomfort for the sake of unity in the Body of Christ, and that’s going to require us to actively pursue proximity, curiosity, humility, and honest conversations.
Check out “False Peace: How to Reject the Lie of Sameness, Embrace Difference, and Embody True Unity” – https://www.amazon.com/False-Peace-Sameness-Embrace-Difference/dp/1587436701
Connect with Pricelis
Scripture references:
Ephesians 4:1-3
Acts 1-12 (stories of the early church)
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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
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Learning How to Think
We have to think about what we’re thinking about. Go back and read that again. Our thought life as Christ followers matters. It’s important we remain vigilant to identify and uproot the lies we’re believing …
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We have to think about what we’re thinking about. Go back and read that again.
Our thought life as Christ followers matters. It’s important we remain vigilant to identify and uproot the lies we’re believing, and to do that continually in community with the power of the Holy Spirit.
This is part two of a conversation on the battlefield of the mind. If you missed The Work of Mind Renewal, go back and watch on YouTube or listen on your platform of choice: https://youtu.be/n2nHa8_mSzQ
Scripture references:
Romans 8:5-9, 11
Ephesians 1:17-20
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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
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The Work of Mind Renewal
Jackie and Preston are back with new episodes, and they’re kicking things off with a two-part conversation on the battlefield of the mind. Our minds have a lot to say, all the time. What we think about – and …
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Jackie and Preston are back with new episodes, and they’re kicking things off with a two-part conversation on the battlefield of the mind.
Our minds have a lot to say, all the time. What we think about – and ultimately what we believe because of those thoughts – will dictate the way we behave, communicate, and relate to one another.
What does it look like to “train” your mind and take every thought captive? How does trauma impact your thoughts and emotions? And what practical things can you do to guard your mind against the enemy?
Be sure to come back next week for part two!
Scripture references:
2 Corinthians 10:3-6
1 Corinthians 13:4-7
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Deep Dive: Encouragement for the Weary
To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one …
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To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.
What do you do when faith feels hard, when you’re wrestling with doubt, unanswered prayers, or disappointment with God? Jackie, Preston, and a number of their podcast guests have words of encouragement to speak over you.
If you feel weary or like you’re struggling to believe God is good, we hope these clips from past episodes will provide reassurance to keep going.
Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:
When Christianity Gets Hard (August 2025) – https://youtu.be/kUdSyOhX-Nc
How to Wrestle with God with Lisa Fields (August 2024) – https://youtu.be/KwTKOItm3Wo
Infertility and Finding God After Unanswered Prayer with Jennifer Lucy Tyler (October 2025) https://youtu.be/25pFA_CIrvE
A Conversation About Anxiety with Blair Linne – https://youtu.be/Axt75sjBXA4
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Deep Dive: Raising Kids to Know and Follow Jesus
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To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.
In this Deep Dive, Jackie and Preston revisit conversations they’ve had together (and with some guests, too) about parenting. This episode discusses building simple rhythms of Scripture and prayer in the home, how to help kids develop a faith of their own, and navigating hard conversations without shame.
Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:
Family and Parenting with Generations in Mind: A Conversation With The Ortlunds (November 2024) – https://youtu.be/UO8QC-JLj90
Boy Mom Stuff, Preaching, and Other Gems with Priscilla Shirer (September 2024) – https://youtu.be/EVwZfvh3OfI
Unforgiveness, Raising Kids in the Last Days, and Proud Preachers: A Q&A Episode (July 2025) – https://youtu.be/g6Ik2mrs6bU
Discipling Kids in a Sexually Broken World With Laurie and Matt Krieg (October 2025) – https://youtu.be/Q6cFmUZ0zho
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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
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Deep Dive: The Gospel, Evangelism & Making Disciples
To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one …
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To change things up from a typical re-run, our team has put together “deep dive” episodes on specific topics or themes, pulling key moments from relevant episodes and bringing them together for one comprehensive listening experience.
In this Deep Dive, Jackie and Preston discuss understanding what the gospel actually is, sharing your faith with wisdom and love, talking to family members who don’t believe, and walking alongside others as they grow in their faith.
Today’s Deep Dive features content from four past episodes:
How to Give the Gospel: Part 1 (September 2023) – https://youtu.be/0HvbjB-x_o0
How to Give the Gospel: Part 2 (October 2023) –https://youtu.be/SbP_Tvw2U8U
How To Tell The Truth (April 2024) – https://youtu.be/qT6NtfpRGck
How to Make Disciples That Make Disciples (May 2024) – https://youtu.be/PhbesSgcjKY
More resources:
Apologetics with Preston Perry (YouTube channel) – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5tYCIeywXPsNEhxU3yfZvw
Preston’s book, “How to Tell the Truth: The Story of How God Saved Me to Win Hearts--Not Just Arguments” – https://www.amazon.com/How-Tell-Truth-Hearts-Not-Arguments-ebook/dp/B0CL7NSWJS
Jackie’s Bible Study, “Jude: Contending For the Faith in Today’s Culture” – https://www.lifeway.com/en/product-family/jude-bible-study
Brian Dye on Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/visionnehemiah
Brian Dye’s ministry, Hood Heroes – https://www.legacydisciple.org/hoodheroes
Scripture references:
2 Timothy 2:23-26
1 Peter 3:15
Matthew 28:19
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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
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Best of WTP – That Time We Broke Up... Twice
With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past. Jackie and Preston's relationship has had plenty of twists and turns. From long distance dating to a group trip to …
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With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past.
Jackie and Preston's relationship has had plenty of twists and turns. From long distance dating to a group trip to the Caribbean, things didn't get off to a smooth start. Jackie broke things off...twice. Preston admits he had a lot to learn about leading well, and together they look back on what they'd do differently.
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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
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Best of WTP – How to Fight For Your Marriage
With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past. Jackie and Preston sit down with mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien to talk about what it really looks like to …
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With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past.
Jackie and Preston sit down with mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien to talk about what it really looks like to fight for intimacy in marriage. They unpack some of the habits and rhythms that quietly create distance, the importance of healthy communication, and why it's so easy to start building a case against your spouse instead of pursuing connection.
Whether you're newly married or decades in, this conversation offers practical wisdom for navigating conflict, staying connected, and growing in oneness together.
Connect with Melody and CD Fabien:
https://www.instagram.com/melodyfabien
https://www.instagram.com/cdfabien/
https://www.youtube.com/@hangingwiththefabiens
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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
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Best of WTP – Depression, Suffering, and the Faithfulness of God's Presence
TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses suicidal ideation. With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past. Brenna Blain is a wife, mom, and theologian who talks …
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TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses suicidal ideation.
With The Perrys is taking some time this summer to revisit popular episodes from years past.
Brenna Blain is a wife, mom, and theologian who talks honestly about faith, suffering, and mental health. Brenna shares her story of running from God, eventually finding herself in YWAM, and later navigating a bipolar diagnosis, psych ward stays, and some of the darkest days of her life. Brenna, Jackie, and Preston talk about depression, suffering, and what it looks like to love people well when there aren't easy answers.
Connect with Brenna:
https://www.instagram.com/bunonmyhead/
https://brenna-blain.vercel.app/
Order Brenna’s book, Can I Say That?: How Unsafe Questions Lead Us to the Real God – https://www.amazon.com/Can-Say-That-Unsafe-Questions/dp/1400339944
Listen to Brenna’s podcast, Can I Say That?
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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.
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Let’s Talk About Deconstruction
Nobody “deconstructs” from Christianity in a day. Deconstruction is not an immediate decision but a process in which someone questions, dissects and assesses what they believe. But what some people are calling …
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Nobody “deconstructs” from Christianity in a day. Deconstruction is not an immediate decision but a process in which someone questions, dissects and assesses what they believe. But what some people are calling deconstruction is actually heresy and false teaching. There’s a thoughtful and Biblical way to evaluate your faith, so let’s talk about it.
Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr. joins the Perrys to discuss the seven reasons people deconstruct, the importance of critical thinking and apologetics, and the compassion required for walking with someone who is deconstructing.
Connect with Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr.
https://www.instagram.com/jeromegay
Check out Pastor Jerome’s book, “Church Hurt: Holding the Church Accountable and Helping Hurt People Heal” – https://www.amazon.com/Church-Hurt-Holding-Accountable-Helping/dp/1952602548
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Scripture References:
Romans 3:15
Romans 1:22
1 John 4:7-8
John 14:15
1 Corinthians 6:18
Matthew 16:24
Ephesians 6
Exodus 21:16
Genesis 3
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When the Leaders We Love Fail Us
From public scandals to private betrayals that never make the news, experiencing the failure of a leader is both heartbreaking and disorienting. When someone leads a church community or is esteemed as a hero …
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From public scandals to private betrayals that never make the news, experiencing the failure of a leader is both heartbreaking and disorienting. When someone leads a church community or is esteemed as a hero, the fallout of their failure is felt even more.
Lisa Fields joins Jackie and Preston for an honest conversation about leadership betrayal. They discuss what healthy admiration looks like, how to navigate the grief of failed leadership without becoming cynical, and why restoration doesn't always mean a return to the platform.
Scripture References:
John 21
1 John 3
Galatians 6:1
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How to be a Christian When Persecuted
Earlier this month, Jackie found herself at the center of a Threads post that generated a whole lot of conversation. It got her and Preston thinking about the opposition we face as Christians because of a …
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Earlier this month, Jackie found herself at the center of a Threads post that generated a whole lot of conversation. It got her and Preston thinking about the opposition we face as Christians because of a worldview that is confusing to unbelievers.
NOTE: For most of us, the persecution we face is social in nature – that’s different from persecution others face around the world when they risk their lives professing Christ.
As Christians, we’re not supposed to defend ourselves. We’re supposed to preach the gospel and leverage opposition as an opportunity to point others to Jesus. Jackie and Preston discuss a helpful framework for approaching unbelievers, why it’s important to lead with compassion, and the reason why both prayer and patience are required for those conversations.
Scripture References:
2 Corinthians 4:4-6
1 Peter 3:15-16
Nehemiah 4:17–18
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The Lie Shame Tells Us
A stronghold is an untruth that has lodged itself in our brains and keeps out the knowledge of God. Shame can be a stronghold if we are believing something that is literally not the truth – about God …
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A stronghold is an untruth that has lodged itself in our brains and keeps out the knowledge of God. Shame can be a stronghold if we are believing something that is literally not the truth – about God, ourselves, or others. So really, shame and the gospel can’t co-exist peacefully. You could even say that shame is anti-gospel.
Jackie and Preston discuss how the gospel – the good news that we are forgiven – exposes lies and replaces them with the truth we find in God’s word. We’ve got to meditate on the gospel, read the Bible more than we think about ourselves, and be aware of the way we are helping to remove (or unconsciously adding to) shame in other people’s lives.
Scripture References:
Genesis 3:7
Hebrews 12:2
- "The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves" by Curt Thompson: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0830844333/
- Video from Dan Allender, "The Fall" – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLFNIfHqLE
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When You Don't Desire God
We all go through seasons where we have little desire for God. We don’t really want to pray, and reading our Bible doesn’t sound exciting.Being honest about not wanting God isn’t unbelief, but it may uncover …
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We all go through seasons where we have little desire for God. We don’t really want to pray, and reading our Bible doesn’t sound exciting.
Being honest about not wanting God isn’t unbelief, but it may uncover areas of our life where we’re believing a lie or not dealing with sin. There are so many things in life that compete for our affections, but God will meet us in our insufficiency and invites us to go deeper in our faith.
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Let’s Talk About Covetousness
When you hyper-focus on what you think you lack, you aren’t practicing gratitude, and you can become discontent. When you covet what someone else has, you will start to believe that God is withholding something …
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When you hyper-focus on what you think you lack, you aren’t practicing gratitude, and you can become discontent. When you covet what someone else has, you will start to believe that God is withholding something good from you. That means our discontentment is not about our life circumstances but about the state of our hearts.
Melissa Kruger joins the Perrys to talk about a book Jackie stumbled upon when looking for resources on the topic of covetousness – one that Melissa wrote back in 2012 called “The Envy of Eve: Finding Contentment in a Covetous World.”
Whatever you’re wanting, it will not ultimately be soul-satisfying. We spend our time chasing the contentment we want when it’s available to us simply by abiding with Jesus.
Connect with Melissa:
Check out Melissa's book, "The Envy of Eve: Finding Contentment in a Covetous World" – https://www.amazon.com/Envy-Eve-Finding-Contentment-Covetous/dp/1845507754
Jackie and Melissa's Ephesians study with Jasmine Holmes: https://www.lifeway.com/en/product/ephesians-bible-study-book-with-video-access-P005843174?
Scripture References
Genesis 3
Philippians 4:11-13
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
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Legalism, Sexual Immorality, and Heaven: Listener Q&A
Y’all love a Q&A episode, so the Perrys asked Instagram followers to submit questions to help guide the topics of conversation. Jackie kicks things off with a “storytime” moment about an unforgettable (and not …
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Y’all love a Q&A episode, so the Perrys asked Instagram followers to submit questions to help guide the topics of conversation. Jackie kicks things off with a “storytime” moment about an unforgettable (and not in a great way) evangelism experience, and then they dive into the questions.
How do you deal with insecurity as a man?
Should you only date someone who is spiritually at the same pace as you?
When we get to Heaven, will we recognize our loved ones?
How can you be delivered from sexual immorality?
Why doesn’t Jackie talk more about her prophetic dreams?
Scripture References
1 Corinthians 6:12-14
James 1:12-15
1 Corinthians 14:23-25
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Discipling Our Kids with the Krugers
The Perrys are joined by Melissa and Mike Kruger to discuss their new book “The Good News Family Devotional: 52 Weeks Through the Gospel of Mark.” Mark is fast-paced and story-centric, which makes it an ideal …
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The Perrys are joined by Melissa and Mike Kruger to discuss their new book “The Good News Family Devotional: 52 Weeks Through the Gospel of Mark.” Mark is fast-paced and story-centric, which makes it an ideal book to study alongside your kids.
The Kruegers and Perrys discuss navigating discipleship with kids in different stages, helping children move beyond surface-level observation questions, and seeing family devotionals as just one part of a broader culture of discipleship in the home. Melissa and Mike encourage parents – especially those without a model from their own upbringing – to pursue family discipleship imperfectly but diligently.
Check out “The Good News Family Devotional” – https://goodnewsfamilydevotional.com/; https://us.amazon.com/Good-News-Family-Devotional-Through-ebook/dp/B0GX2YCWT4
Connect with the Kruegers:
Scripture References
Deuteronomy 6:4-9
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Christians, It’s Time to Grow Up
When we’re “born again” as Christ followers, we’re babies, and “growing up” is a choice. But emotions, pride, and an endless buffet of online voices can keep new believers spiritually stuck. In this episode …
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When we’re “born again” as Christ followers, we’re babies, and “growing up” is a choice. But emotions, pride, and an endless buffet of online voices can keep new believers spiritually stuck.
In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss how spiritual maturity isn’t automatic, nor is it a checklist. We become mature by pursuing humility, having discernment about false doctrine, and establishing deep roots in a local church community. Ultimately, we have to know our Bible more than anything and come to terms with our complete dependence on God.
Tim Keller’s sermon, “Principles of Christian Growth”
Part 1 – https://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth-part-1/
Part 2 – https://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth/
Scripture References
Ephesians 4:11-15
1 Corinthians 3:1-4
Psalm 139:23-24
John 15:1-2
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Mourning, Meekness, and Mercy: Part 2 with Matt Chandler
The second half of the Perrys’ conversation with Matt Chandler is a deeper discussion of the Beatitudes of Matthew 5. For example, the Bible says, “Blessed are those who mourn,” but what are we to mourn, and …
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The second half of the Perrys’ conversation with Matt Chandler is a deeper discussion of the Beatitudes of Matthew 5.
For example, the Bible says, “Blessed are those who mourn,” but what are we to mourn, and how do we mourn well? Matt explains that we mourn our own sin, and we grieve the broken world around us. Comfort is found in the hard work of mourning, and the consequence of not mourning is distance from Jesus.
Beyond mourning, Matt and the Perrys also explore meekness, a thirst for righteousness, mercy, peacemaking, and persecution.
Scripture References
Matthew 5:3-10
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Becoming like Jesus with Matt Chandler: Part 1
After more than two decades leading a church – and through his own faith journey, too – Pastor Matt Chandler says confidently that, “Come what may, God is at work.” In this conversation on sanctification, Matt …
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After more than two decades leading a church – and through his own faith journey, too – Pastor Matt Chandler says confidently that, “Come what may, God is at work.”
In this conversation on sanctification, Matt, Jackie and Preston explore the Beatitudes of Matthew 5, not as a checklist of spiritual goals but a portrait of a person Jesus is creating as we mature in Christ. The Christian life isn’t about wins and losses; it’s about staying tethered to Jesus through the highs and lows. Keep saying yes to Him, and He’ll use it all to form you.
This is part 1 of a 2-part conversation.
Check out Matt Chandler’s new book, “Becoming Like Jesus: The Everyday Journey to Living a Life of Holiness” (releasing this week, April 28): https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Like-Jesus-Everyday-Holiness/dp/1400344301
Tim Keller sermon Jackie mentions: http://podcast.gospelinlife.com/e/principles-of-christian-growth-part-1/
Scripture References
Matthew 5:3-12
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For Your Glory: Why and How We Worship with Trip Lee
Trip Lee is an author, teacher, and hip-hop artist who recently released new worship music titled “For Your Glory.” He joins Jackie and Preston for a conversation about worship music, rap music, and the …
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Trip Lee is an author, teacher, and hip-hop artist who recently released new worship music titled “For Your Glory.” He joins Jackie and Preston for a conversation about worship music, rap music, and the importance of music in our lives as followers of Jesus.
Music plays a major role in spiritual formation – singing truth helps us remember and believe what is true about God. Worship is not just the fluff before a sermon; it’s a response to who God is. Ultimately, worship is about making much of Jesus, and it’s something we’re called to participate in together.
Connect with Trip Lee:
Listen to For Your Glory, the new worship project from BRAG WORSHIP & Trip Lee:
Scripture References
Ephesians 5:19
Psalm 77:1-3, 13-14, 16
Psalm 103:1
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Sex, Sexual Trauma, and God’s Design with Dr. Juli Slattery
Sex is a living metaphor. It’s how we experience oneness with the person we’ve committed to be in a covenant relationship with, similar to the relationship between Christ and the church. Dr. Juli Slattery joins …
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Sex is a living metaphor. It’s how we experience oneness with the person we’ve committed to be in a covenant relationship with, similar to the relationship between Christ and the church. Dr. Juli Slattery joins the Perrys to discuss the importance of seeing sex as an ongoing journey of intimacy, not just a physical act, requiring emotional vulnerability and communication.
The Perrys’ conversation with Dr. Slattery covers sexual trauma, pornography, entitlement, libido, and purity culture. Everything God created, He designed to be a reflection of himself, and that includes sex. Single, dating, married, widowed, divorced – this episode about sexuality is a helpful and necessary conversation for everyone to learn from.
Connect with Dr. Juli Slattery: https://www.authenticintimacy.com/
https://www.instagram.com/authenticintimacy
https://www.authenticintimacy.com/podcast/
https://www.authenticintimacy.com/books/
Scripture References
Psalm 37
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On Leadership, Assignment, and Brokenness with Dr. Crawford Loritts
Dr. Crawford Loritts joins the Perrys for a conversation about leadership and the qualities that make someone worth following. True leadership is stewardship and sacrifice. Someone’s ability to lead is in …
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Dr. Crawford Loritts joins the Perrys for a conversation about leadership and the qualities that make someone worth following.
True leadership is stewardship and sacrifice. Someone’s ability to lead is in direct proportion to their ability to serve. A good leader has conviction, not just knowledge, with wisdom that's the product of experience, not simply exposure to information. And Dr. Loritts talks about anointing being on the person, not their platform or performance, and how gifts are most developed when you focus on character and godliness.
Check out Dr. Loritts’ book, Leadership as an Identity: The Four Traits of Those Who Wield Lasting Influence: https://www.amazon.com/Leadership-Identity-Traits-Lasting-Influence/dp/080242987
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Infidelity, Broken Legs, and Healthy Marriage: Part Two with the Navarros
TRIGGER WARNING: Suicide is briefly discussed in this episode. Here’s part two of Jackie and Preston’s conversation with Lymari and Tony Navarro. Last week you heard about Tony’s betrayal, and in this episode …
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TRIGGER WARNING: Suicide is briefly discussed in this episode.
Here’s part two of Jackie and Preston’s conversation with Lymari and Tony Navarro. Last week you heard about Tony’s betrayal, and in this episode they discuss the restoration of their marriage.
Things are incredibly fragile after a spouse’s affair, and the Navarros are honest about that. Lymari says couples need a season of “incubation” if they want to restore their relationship – a time of intentionally surrounding yourself with wise counsel and cutting out people persuading you to leave the marriage (again, if both husband and wife are committed to reconciliation). Tony’s affair was 25 years ago, and five years went by before the Navarros were in a place to support other couples with stories like theirs. Be encouraged – restoration takes time.
Connect with the Navarros:
https://www.lymarinavarro.com/
https://www.tonyandlymarinavarro.com/
https://www.instagram.com/tonyandlymarinavarro
Check out their book, "From Ruin to Renewal" – https://shop.familylife.com/product/from-ruin-to-renewal/
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Rebuilding a Broken Marriage with Lymari and Tony Navarro
“Our story is a warning to some and a hope to others.” Three years into their marriage, Lymari Navarro got an anonymous phone call from a woman who said, “Your husband is having an affair.” When confronted …
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“Our story is a warning to some and a hope to others.”
Three years into their marriage, Lymari Navarro got an anonymous phone call from a woman who said, “Your husband is having an affair.” When confronted, Tony told Lymari he had fallen out of love with her, but she chose grace over the Biblical “right” she had to a divorce.
The enemy attacks marriages because it is the most accurate relationship to that of Jesus and the church. Marriage shows off the gospel in a way that nothing else can, and the transformational impact of that undeserved grace is on display in the story you’ll begin to hear in this week’s episode.
Come back next week for part two of the Perrys’ conversation with Lymari and Tony.
The Navarros have benefitted from and speak at FamilyLife’s Weekend to Remember events. Find a location near you: https://www.familylife.com/weekend-to-remember/
Scripture references:
Romans 1
Titus 2:11-12
Connect with the Navarros:
https://www.lymarinavarro.com/
https://www.tonyandlymarinavarro.com/
https://www.instagram.com/tonyandlymarinavarro
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