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Episode 139: Behavioral Activation with Deena Schwen Blackett

07.07.2026 · 35 Min.

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Behavioral Activation with Deena Schwen Blackett

Interviewer info

Lyssa Rome is a speech-language pathologist in the San Francisco Bay Area. She is on staff at the Aphasia Center of California, where she facilitates groups for people with aphasia and their care partners. She owns an LPAA-focused private practice and specializes in working with people with neurogenic communication disorders. She has worked in acute hospital, skilled nursing, and continuum of care settings. Prior to becoming an SLP, Lyssa was a public radio journalist, editor, and podcast producer. In this episode, Lyssa Rome interviews Deena Schwen Blackett about group treatment for aphasia.

Guest info

Dr. Deena Schwen Blackett is an Assistant Professor in the School of Communication Sciences and Disorders at the University of Central Florida and director of the Communication, Aphasia Recovery, and Emotion (CARE) Lab. Dr. Schwen Blackett's research focuses on understanding the relationship between emotion and language in aphasia, developing methods for improving psychosocial well-being in aphasia, and improving aphasia rehabilitation outcomes.

Listener Take-aways

Describe why behavioral activation's reduced linguistic demands and focus on functional life areas make it particularly well suited to use with people with aphasia.

Locate behavioral activation as psychosocial intervention within ASHA's counseling domain of service delivery and SLPs' scope of practice.

Connect behavioral activation principles to the Life Participation Approach to Aphasia and the Aphasia Framework for Outcome Measurement (AFROM).

Transcript:

Lyssa Rome

Welcome to the Aphasia Access Aphasia Conversations Podcast. I'm Lyssa Rome. I'm a speech language pathologist on staff at the Aphasia Center of California, and I see clients with aphasia and other neurogenic communication disorders in my LPAA-focused private practice. I'm also a member of the Aphasia Access Podcast Working Group. Aphasia Access strives to provide members with information, inspiration, and ideas that support their aphasia care through a variety of educational materials and resources.

I'm today's host for an episode that will feature Dr. Deena Schwen Blackett, an assistant professor in the School of Communication Sciences and Disorders at the University of Central Florida, and director of the Communication, Aphasia Recovery, and Emotion (CARE) Lab. Dr. Schwen Blackett's research focuses on understanding the relationship between emotion and language in aphasia, developing methods for improving psychosocial well being in aphasia, and improving aphasia rehabilitation outcomes. Deena Schwen Blackett, thank you so much for being here. I'm really glad to be talking with you today.

Deena Shwen Blackett

Thank you so much for having me. I'm very honored to be here as a longtime fan of Aphasia Access.

Lyssa Rome

Often on this podcast, we get started by asking people about whether they've had an aha moment, or if there's another anecdote that they want to share. What made you want to study emotions and psychosocial interventions and aphasia?

Deena Shwen Blackett

Yeah. So as an undergraduate at Purdue University, I started out in chemical engineering, which is quite different. But about midway in my sophomore year, I decided that's not the career for me, and I was exploring other options. I was really drawn to psychology, actually, and I decided to switch my major to psychology. I was really considering a career in psychiatry or clinical psychology, but I wanted to double major in something, to kind of set myself a little bit apart from the massive amounts of psych majors.

I hadn't actually heard about speech language pathology until my aunt brought it up to me and the you know, I decided, oh, this could be a great compliment to psychology, and I decided to double major. And the more I learned about our field, and especially aphasia, I became just so hooked. And I reflected quite a bit on how impactful it could be to help somebody with communication, given how essential it is to our daily lives and our relationships and our overall well being.

When I went to graduate school at The Ohio State University to really study aphasia more and learn how to do research, I worked with Dr. Stacy Harnish there. In our early discussions about research and projects, she told me about a patient she had with pretty severe aphasia, who, whenever they would do a picture naming task, whenever the word "gun" would come up, she was able to say it very quickly and fast. And that was intriguing. It was something about the emotionality of that that helped her say the word, because otherwise it was very difficult for her. That drew me in immediately. I really wanted to understand how emotional language was different from non-emotional language. And this phenomenon of, you know, people cursing pretty fluently, even though they have very severe aphasia, or saying just very emotional words.

It dates back to the 19th century, but we didn't really know much about it. It hasn't really been empirically studied very much. So I was really curious about whether we could harness that ability of more preserved emotional language in therapy to maybe enhance communication ability. So reflecting back, I've always had this strong interest in emotion and psychology and how that kind of ties into our field of communication.

Lyssa Rome

It is so interesting to observe, and I have had similar observations in my clinical practice. I'm wondering if you could tell us a little bit about the work that stemmed from that early interest, and you've studied in terms of emotional stimuli.

Deena Shwen Blackett

So this was really the bulk of my work as a PhD student, and I was really interested in, again, empirically, studying how emotionality of stimuli could impact language processing, but especially word retrieval, given how much that is affected in aphasia. I designed a series of word retrieval tasks, including object picture naming, action picture naming, verb generation, where participants saw a noun and they had to name a verb associated with it, and category member generation, where they saw a category and had to name one thing in that category. So each of these four tasks had a set of positively valence stimuli. So in the case of object picture naming, like a picture of puppies. They also had a set of negatively valence stimuli, like a picture of cockroaches. And then another set of neutral stimuli, so something like a picture of cows, where in our culture, like that's pretty neutral. And so I had people name in each of these tasks, and we looked at how quickly they named and how accurately they named.

We looked at both neurotypical aging adults and people with aphasia, because we actually didn't really know much about how emotional stimuli affects word retrieval in neurotypical, normal aging. I really expected that people would respond faster and act more accurately to the emotional items because of that emotional language phenomenon that we were just talking about. But I found the opposite. So people named emotional images and words less accurately and more slowly than neutral, non-emotional items. The more I thought about this, you know, the more it kind of made sense to me, and is consistent with anecdotal reports from people with aphasia about when they are frustrated or angry or excited even, it's really much harder for them to think of the words they want to use and express themselves, so it really mimics those reports and is a nice foundation that led me to continue this work in emotion and language.

Lyssa Rome

So I'm curious then about how that where you're really doing your the focus was on naming right and answering this question about emotion, like the emotional valence of naming. How did that lead into the work that you have done more recently on behavioral activation for people with aphasia?

Deena Shwen Blackett

Yeah, great question. So after I graduated with my PhD, I did a postdoc at the Medical University of South Carolina. When I was there, based on my clinical work, when I was finishing up my practice, and you know, the interactions I had in research with people with aphasia, I just really felt this strong urgency to do more to support emotional well being of patients with aphasia. I could see a clear path of clinical need and translation that I wanted to explore more because there. Myself as an SLP, I just knew there was more that we could be doing as clinicians, and I wanted to explore that. So I initiated a collaboration with a clinical psychologist during my postdoc, we wrote a pilot grant, and it was funded, and so we had the opportunity to c- develop a protocol for a psychosocial-focused intervention for people with aphasia that was really mostly focused on using a technique called behavioral activation. And so that was where my most recent work has been focused, truly, because of how urgent I feel like the need is, and I see a clear path toward how it could be implemented clinically.

Lyssa Rome

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that everyone who works with people with aphasia would probably agree about that urgency. So let's take a step back, and I'm wondering if you could define for us, what is cognitive behavioral therapy, what is CBT? What's behavioral activation?

Deena Shwen Blackett

Great question. So cognitive behavioral therapy, or CBT for short, is really an umbrella term nowadays that refers to mental health interventions that are centered on the idea that our thoughts, our behaviors, and our feelings are all interconnected, and they all relate to each other, and so we can regulate or improve our mood or our feelings through a change in behavior or a change in our thinking.

Behavioral activation is just a very specific CBT technique or skill that can be delivered on its own. That's really focused on changing our behaviors to improve our mood and our feelings. It shows really great evidence. There's great data behind it to show that it's got moderate to large effect sizes for improving psychological symptoms, particularly depression symptoms, is where most of the research on behavioral activation and CBT has been done, but there is growing research looking at its effects on anxiety.

The main premise of behavioral activation is that when somebody is depressed or anxious, they get into this cycle of avoidance. So, "I don't feel like going out with my friends or I… you know, I don't feel like going out to a restaurant." And so people don't do those things that will actually make them feel good, and then they get into the cycle in which they feel worse and worse because they're not having these reinforcing activities in their daily life. And so the idea is that behavior, we change the behavior first, and over time, we see that positive effect on well being and emotion. So we're really disrupting that cycle of avoidance. And there's a series of steps that you take to you know do deliver behavioral activation, but a lot of it is about understanding what that person finds enjoyable and finds important in varying areas of their life, and trying to increase those number of activities

Lyssa Rome

That totally makes sense and it really reminds me so much of conversations that I have with clients all the time about how the best way to get better at talking is to talk. The best way to get better at conversations with friends is to have conversations with friends. And I feel like it overlaps so much with some of those principles of neuroplasticity from Kleim and Jones and certainly with LPAA. So I am really looking forward to talking with you more about it and learning more about behavioral activation. Why did you think that this might be a promising intervention for people with aphasia?

Deena Shwen Blackett

Well, first, like you said, it's so well aligned with the Life Participation Approach to Aphasia and these other models of holistic, patient-centered care, and it addresses such a very common response to having aphasia—that avoidance. SLPs also can learn this technique. It's something that has been shown to be effective even when administered by non-mental-health professionals. So speech language pathologists can learn this without extensive training in psychology. I also think it can be just so well integrated in our language or communication goals. A lot of the activities that people do that they find enjoyable or important to them involve language and involve communication. So there's a clear need to support communication in those activities.

The other piece that I want to mention is that behavioral activation, in comparison to something like cognitive restructuring or cognitive reframing, is a bit less demanding in terms of language. So it's a bit less linguistically demanding. Because we're not having to help our patients really articulate their cognitive distortions or their unhelpful thoughts, and really put those into different words for people to rehearse. For some of our patients, I think that can work really well and be very impactful, but for people with more severe aphasia, that might be a barrier to really getting the most out of the intervention.

So this focus on behaviors, I think, is a bit more well suited for people with aphasia. We have some early evidence that this can be effective with people with aphasia. Dr. Shirley Thomas in the UK has done some studies on behavioral activation and people with aphasia, and shown good evidence, early evidence for it. But in her studies, I believe, it was delivered by psychology assistants instead of speech language pathologists. So that's the piece that I really want to dive into: How can we train SLPs to do this and use it in their clinical practice.

Lyssa Rome

You mentioned that there was some research into delivering behavioral activation intervention in the UK, but it was delivered, or in the study, it was delivered by psych assistants. And so I want to sort of contextualize your study and this potential intervention for speech language pathologists within the context of our scope and the kinds of counseling that we can do with people with aphasia.

Deena Shwen Blackett

Yeah, great question. I get this question a lot. Counseling, of course, is one of our eight domains of service delivery as SLPs, right? And I think people get caught up in what do we mean by counseling, or how do we define that, and what can we do in that definition? ASHA defines counseling pretty broadly, and I actually went back and looked up part of the definition, and it's providing support around the emotions, thoughts, feelings and behaviors that result from living with the communication disorder. That is very vague, and I think that partially it's intentional. But SLPs know this is important, and they see that it, you know, emotional dysfunction, depression, anxiety, can interfere, or be a barrier to rehabilitation. So SLPs, I think, are really eager for more tools and methods that are evidence-based, that can be used in their sessions. And I do think that behavioral activation and CBT techniques fall within the definition of our counseling domain.

In graduate school, we're often taught common factors of counseling, things like developing a therapeutic alliance, and active listening, and unconditional positive regard, and having empathy for our patients, which, of course, are all very, very important. And we're taught about, you know, giving education to clients as part of our counseling, educating about the disorder and connecting patients with resources. But there's a little bit more that we can do beyond that, right? Like we can use evidence based methods that are meant to target mood and improve psychological well being beyond those common factors.

And we see this in other parts of our field, I think a little bit more so in fluency disorders, for example. You know, CBT is more frequently used by SLPs to target the anxiety and fear around stuttering. And we see, you know, I teach cognitive communication disorders to graduate students, and we use a book by McKay Sohlberg and her colleagues, Transforming Cognitive Rehabilitation is the title. She has a whole chapter on psychological mindedness and CBT is, you know, one of the tools that she mentions as a possible technique that we can integrate in our care.

So I think that the hesitancy is really just coming from a lack of confidence or a lack of knowledge or training to really understand what we can do and what the line is between what we can and can't do. But my perspective is that we can do quite a bit more. We just need more data, more you know, clear adaptations of existing interventions for our populations and more training.

Lyssa Rome

It makes me also think about Ian Kneebone's stepped model of support for psychological well being for people with aphasia. And it seems like this clearly, kind of falls within those early steps where we don't need to refer out necessarily, we may be able to offer, we as speech language pathologists, may be able to offer the support that people need. And that said many of us might not have the confidence to use specific techniques, and I think that that may be what you're getting at. Is that right?

Deena Shwen Blackett

Yes, I'm so glad you brought up that model because I think it could be such a great framework for our care in terms of having a stepped care model to intervene at different stages, right? I think, from my recollection, there's four levels of the model, levels one and two are patients with mild to mild to moderate symptoms of depression, for example, or anxiety. And at those levels, you know, SLPs, according to the model, can intervene in certain ways. So at level one, they might recommend support groups, or, you know, do just general psychoeducation. Level two, they might provide more of those formalized techniques, like using CBT techniques or behavioral activation to support emotional well being. And then levels three and four, certainly, we would need to enlist the help of mental health professionals and refer out for more support. But that doesn't mean we can't also be doing what we can as SLPs when we're with the patients to support them.

Lyssa Rome

Yeah. So let's get to your study and the intervention that you were looking at. Tell us about it.

Deena Shwen Blackett

Yeah, so we've done one pilot study, and we're in the process of another, actually. And in the first pilot that we did, we recruited 11 people with aphasia, and we delivered a psychosocial intervention that comprised psychoeducation, so really just helping people with aphasia understand what could be the emotional impacts of aphasia, what are the risks of depression, anxiety, and having a conversation about their emotional experience. And then the other component was relaxation training, or relaxation exercises, where we, you know, really try to address some of those symptoms of anxiety that people with aphasia have. And we did some deep breathing, visualization, some progressive muscle relaxation. We did some sleep hygiene education, and my learning from Dr. McTeague, the clinical psychologist who I was working with. She knows how important sleep is for psychological well being. So we incl

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