Model a Life People Want to Move Toward

We're revisiting a conversation between Jamison and Athena Perez about the gap between what we say we believe and how we actually treat people when no one's watching.

We explore how shaming someone into change only pushes them further from the door, while living with visible integrity - care, consistency, and genuine joy - pulls people toward a better life instead.

By closing the gap between our public values and our private behavior, we build awareness of our blind spots, intention around how we show up for others, and action that draws people toward health, happiness, and purpose rather than shame, judgment, and drift.

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About the Hosts

Patrick Cummings is the author of two kids' books and has been building and making things inside the health and fitness world for two decades. Find him on Instagram.

Ben Bergeron is the founder of CompTrain, a longtime gym owner and coach, and the author of the bestselling book, Chasing Excellence. Find him on Instagram.

About the Show

Chasing Excellence is a show dedicated to the daily pursuit of health, happiness, and living with our hearts on fire. Episodes drop Monday through Friday.

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