Google SRE Prodcast
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SRE Prodcast brings Google's experience with Site Reliability Engineering together with special guests and exciting topics to discuss the present and future of reliable production engineering!
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Ship it! with the Authors of Site Reliability Engineering, 2nd Edition (Part 1)
In this episode of the Prodcast, guest host David Blank-Edelman sits down with four of the editors of the seminal Site Reliability Engineering book—Betsy Beyer, Niall Richard Murphy, Christof Leng, and David …
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In this episode of the Prodcast, guest host David Blank-Edelman sits down with four of the editors of the seminal Site Reliability Engineering book—Betsy Beyer, Niall Richard Murphy, Christof Leng, and David Huska—for the first of a two-part retrospective and sneak peek into the upcoming Second Edition (2e). A decade after the original book introduced SRE principles to the world, the team reflects on its runaway success and how the industry has evolved from Google's internal setup to forging independent reliability cultures. The authors share why 2e is a ground-up, complete rewrite—retiring commoditized infrastructure walkthroughs to focus on platform engineering, sociotechnical systems, and real-world case studies from other companies. The conversation also tackles industry dogma around SLOs and error budgets, features a lightning round of the authors' favorite new chapters, and dives into what AI means for the future of SRE. Join us for an honest, funny, and insightful conversation on where production engineering has been—and where it's headed next!
Ship it! with Vasanth Krishnamoorthy
In this episode of the Prodcast, hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler are joined by Vasa Krishnamoorthy, Head of Web Foundations at Pinterest. They discuss what it takes to ship software at scale, how to manage …
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In this episode of the Prodcast, hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler are joined by Vasa Krishnamoorthy, Head of Web Foundations at Pinterest. They discuss what it takes to ship software at scale, how to manage technical migrations, and how AI is transforming the developer workflow. Vasa observes that AI makes generating code faster and cheaper, and it creates new bottlenecks in code review and CI validation, reinforcing that human accountability for trade-offs and quality remains essential.
Ship it! with William Holroyd and Regulated Clouds
In Season 7, Episode 3 of The Prodcast, hosts Jordan Greenberg and Steve McGhee sit down with William Holroyd, an Site Reliability Engineer specializing in regulated cloud, for an insightful and engaging …
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In Season 7, Episode 3 of The Prodcast, hosts Jordan Greenberg and Steve McGhee sit down with William Holroyd, an Site Reliability Engineer specializing in regulated cloud, for an insightful and engaging discussion on navigating complex compliance landscapes. Together, they break down what it really means to run software in regulated environments—covering key concepts like data residency, access controls, key custody, and audit evidence across international frameworks like FedRAMP and GDPR.
Beyond explaining the technical guardrails embedded directly into cloud platforms, William highlights how software teams can stay ahead of compliance drift and reduce operational toil. If you anticipate entering a regulated market within the next three years, start designing for your jurisdictional boundaries today—building inside a compliance boundary early is far easier and more cost-effective than attempting to migrate into one later. Tune in for a fantastic conversation on modern cloud architecture!
Ship it! with Avery Pennarun and Tailscale
Avery Pennarun, CEO and co-founder of Tailscale, joins the Prodcast to discuss reliability, enterprise scaling, and engineering philosophy. This episode discusses how taking responsibility for user networking …
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Avery Pennarun, CEO and co-founder of Tailscale, joins the Prodcast to discuss reliability, enterprise scaling, and engineering philosophy. This episode discusses how taking responsibility for user networking and edge cases builds long-term product reliability. Avery also talks about how AI tools can improve psychological safety, reduce noise, and serve as an information spine for teams
Ship it! with Daniel Hobe
Daniel Hobe, SRE leader for Search, Geo, and DeepMind at Google, joins hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler to discuss the unique engineering and cultural challenges of maintaining reliability for products with …
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Daniel Hobe, SRE leader for Search, Geo, and DeepMind at Google, joins hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler to discuss the unique engineering and cultural challenges of maintaining reliability for products with billions of users.
This episode explores the evolution of release processes—from traditional canary gating and A/B testing to the complexities of monitoring non-deterministic AI models and generative features.
The discussion highlights a shift in modern SRE: moving beyond abstract SLO percentages to measure real human impact, ensuring that engineering decisions remain tightly aligned with business goals and user experience. Hobe also offers an inspiring perspective on how AI can serve as an engineering enabler to tackle long-standing technical debt and enhance system resilience.
Whether you're scaling traditional infrastructure or navigating the new paradigm of AI-driven products, this episode offers essential lessons on risk management, observability, and customer-centric engineering. Join us as we kick off our seventh season!
Adam Kramer discusses Incident Response
Google's Tech Incident Response Team (IRT) manages the complex production environment during times of intensive change. In this episode, IRT member Adam Kramer talks about the importance of psychological safety …
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Google's Tech Incident Response Team (IRT) manages the complex production environment during times of intensive change. In this episode, IRT member Adam Kramer talks about the importance of psychological safety to ensure that engineers can communicate effectively.
Courtney Nash on Complex Systems
Courtney Nash of The VOID discusses the role of human expertise in managing complex systems, and how SREs continue to bring critical value even as technology and AI evolve.
John Allspaw at SREcon Part 1
John Allspaw discusses reliability with Prodcast host Steve McGhee at SREcon Americas 2026
John Allspaw at SREcon Part 2
John Allspaw joins Prodcast hosts Matt Siegler and Florian Rathgeber for a candid discussion of reliability topics at SREcon Americas 2026.
Ricard Bejarano: The SRE At Home
We speak with Ricard Bejarano about being an SRE at home, discussing Home Lab systems.
Matt Zelesko and the Future of SRE
We sit down with Matt Zelesko, VP of SRE at Google, for a candid talk about how AI is changing SRE — and how it's not.
Handling Burnout with Sam Anderson
Sam Anderson shares his experiences with burnout, and how to support yourself as a reliable system. Sam provides guidance on how to deal with burnout, and some suggestions on how to avoid burnout through …
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Sam Anderson shares his experiences with burnout, and how to support yourself as a reliable system. Sam provides guidance on how to deal with burnout, and some suggestions on how to avoid burnout through understanding yourself and finding the help and support you need.
The One with Crisis Engineering and Mikey Dickerson
Crisis Engineer Mikey Dickerson joins us to talk about what constitutes a crisis. Mikey draws on his broad experience across industry and the public sector, as well as on work with his team of systems fixers.
This is Fine! With Colette Alexander and Clint Byrum
What's happening in the world of SRE and resilience engineering? Join us as we catch up with fellow podcast hosts Colette Alexander and Clint Byrum of the This Is Fine! podcast at SREcon in Seattle.
The One With Damion Yates and Building AI systems
How do you introduce Site Reliability Engineering to an AI research lab, bringing concepts of scale to engineers who are at the leading edge of AI systems? In the latest episode of The Prodcast, hosts Steve …
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How do you introduce Site Reliability Engineering to an AI research lab, bringing concepts of scale to engineers who are at the leading edge of AI systems?
In the latest episode of The Prodcast, hosts Steve McGhee and Florian Rathgeber chat with Damion Yates, who helped establish the reliability engineering culture at Google DeepMind. Damion shares his journey of bringing scalable infrastructure to DeepMind, supporting massive machine learning experiments.
Discover the unique challenges of supporting AI research, such as managing highly expensive "lockstep" training models where a single machine failure halts the entire process. Damion also explains why he believes "luck is our enemy" in systems engineering, and why protecting a research scientist's time is the ultimate metric for success.
The One With Carla Geisser and Crisis Engineering
Join us for a discussion with Carla Geisser of Layer Aleph, a company focused on "crisis engineering". Carla distinguishes a crisis from a standard incident by noting that a crisis is novel and lacks a …
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Join us for a discussion with Carla Geisser of Layer Aleph, a company focused on "crisis engineering". Carla distinguishes a crisis from a standard incident by noting that a crisis is novel and lacks a playbook. She outlines five criteria for a true crisis: fundamental surprise, broken critical functions, high visibility, a rigid deadline (unlike internal tech deadlines), and perception breakdown. Crises often arise in organizations that struggle to admit computers control core decisions, leading to complex, glued-together systems. Carla emphasizes that SRE-adjacent skills are essential for connecting the dots and exposing the full system. The key takeaway for SREs is to recognize when a true crisis is happening, as leadership will only be willing to "break rules" and enable substantive change once three of these criteria are met.1
The One with Parker Barnes, Felipe Tiengo Ferreira, and AI
This episode of the Prodcast tackles the challenges of maintaining AI safety and alignment in production. Guests Felipe Tiengo Ferreira and Parker Barnes join hosts Matt Siegler and Steve McGhee to discuss AI …
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This episode of the Prodcast tackles the challenges of maintaining AI safety and alignment in production. Guests Felipe Tiengo Ferreira and Parker Barnes join hosts Matt Siegler and Steve McGhee to discuss AI model safety, from examining content to emerging security risks. The discussion emphasizes the vital role of SREs in managing safety at scale, detailing multi-layered defenses, including system instructions, LLM classifiers, and Automated Red Teaming (ART). Felipe and Parker dive into the evolving world of AI safety, from core product policies to the groundbreaking Frontier Safety Framework. The guests explore the need for SRE principles like drift detection and context observability. Finally, they raise concerns about the velocity of AI development compressing long-term research, urging the industry to collaborate and share vocabulary to address rapidly emerging risks.
The One With Shannon Brady and Operating Systems
In this episode of the Prodcast, guest Shannon Brady speaks with hosts Jordan Greenberg and Florian Rathgeber about managing Google's vast fleet of internal devices. Shannon explains how Google's Linux platform …
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In this episode of the Prodcast, guest Shannon Brady speaks with hosts Jordan Greenberg and Florian Rathgeber about managing Google's vast fleet of internal devices. Shannon explains how Google's Linux platform uses core SRE principles—specifically testing, canarying, and monitoring—for weekly stage rollouts of its Debian-based distribution. Configuration is efficiently managed using Puppet to ensure the right setup for a diverse user base. The conversation pivots to "the year of Linux everything," underscoring its widespread adoption. Discussing AI, Shannon identifies its greatest utility for SREs in rapidly analyzing signals and generating complex queries to resolve outages. This episode reinforces that practicing SRE fundamentals is paramount, demonstrating that you can be an SRE at heart, regardless of your official title.
The One With Denia Del Cid and AI
Curious about the real impact of AI on Site Reliability Engineering? In this episode of The Prodcast, Google SRE Denia del Cid breaks down how her team is leveraging AI to transform production workflows. Denia …
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Curious about the real impact of AI on Site Reliability Engineering? In this episode of The Prodcast, Google SRE Denia del Cid breaks down how her team is leveraging AI to transform production workflows.
Denia details practical applications like early outage detection, incident similarity analysis, and toil reduction. She explains the critical importance of validating against "golden data sets" and keeping humans in the loop to build trust. Discover how SREs are evolving from skepticism to strategic adoption with Gemini.
Tune in for a pragmatic, measured look at the future of reliability.
The One With Heather Adkins and Security (and AI)
Join us on The Prodcast as we host Heather Adkins, leader of Google's Office of Cybersecurity Resilience, for a critical look at the future of digital defenses. We explore the intersection of SRE and security …
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Join us on The Prodcast as we host Heather Adkins, leader of Google's Office of Cybersecurity Resilience, for a critical look at the future of digital defenses. We explore the intersection of SRE and security , unpacking the "Secure by Design" philosophy and the shared DNA of incident management.
Heather candidly discusses the rise of "Agentic AI hackers" and polymorphic malware , revealing how defenders can use AI to stay ahead. From "castle" defense strategies to "nodal biology" theories, this episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating the new era of AI-driven threats.
The One With SLOs
In this episode, we welcome Alex Hidalgo and Brian Singer of nobl9 to discuss Service Level Objectives (SLOs). Alex and Brian talk about how SLOs can establish a vernacular across industry verticals, leading to …
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In this episode, we welcome Alex Hidalgo and Brian Singer of nobl9 to discuss Service Level Objectives (SLOs). Alex and Brian talk about how SLOs can establish a vernacular across industry verticals, leading to constructive conversations and a shared understanding of how to implement SRE practices. Join us for a lively discussion that ranges across SLO topics!
The One With Steph Hippo and Observability
In this episode, Steph Hippo, Platform Engineering Director at Honeycomb, joins The Prodcast to discuss AI and SRE. Steph explains how observability helps us understand complex systems from their outputs, and …
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In this episode, Steph Hippo, Platform Engineering Director at Honeycomb, joins The Prodcast to discuss AI and SRE.
Steph explains how observability helps us understand complex systems from their outputs, and provides a foundation for SRE to respond to system problems. This episode explains how AI and observability build a self-reinforcing loop. We also discuss how AI can detect and respond to certain classes of incidents, leading to self-healing systems and allowing SREs to focus on novel and interesting problems. She advises small businesses adopting AI to learn from others' mistakes (post-mortems) and to commit time and budget to experimentation.
The One with Ben Good and Our Kubernetes Friends
In this special episode hosts Steve McGhee from the Google SRE Prodcast and Kaslin Fields from the Google Kubernetes Podcast, welcome Google Cloud Solutions Architect Ben Good to discuss platform engineering …
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In this special episode hosts Steve McGhee from the Google SRE Prodcast and Kaslin Fields from the Google Kubernetes Podcast, welcome Google Cloud Solutions Architect Ben Good to discuss platform engineering. Listeners can look forward to hearing about the role of Kubernetes as a tool for building platforms, how to create "golden paths" for developers, and the importance of observability and self-service in platform design. The conversation also touches on industry trends, the bespoke nature of platforms, and how DORA metrics can be applied to platform engineering practices.
The One With AI Agents, Ramón Llamas, and Swapnil Haria
Google Staff SRE Ramón Llamas and Google Software Engineer Swapnil Haria join our hosts to explore how AI agents are revolutionizing production management, from summarizing alerts and finding hidden errors to …
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Google Staff SRE Ramón Llamas and Google Software Engineer Swapnil Haria join our hosts to explore how AI agents are revolutionizing production management, from summarizing alerts and finding hidden errors to proactively preventing outages. Learn about the challenges of evaluating non-deterministic systems and the fascinating interplay between human expertise and emerging AI capabilities in ensuring robust and reliable infrastructure.
The One with Technical Program Managers and Karanveer Anand
This episode features Google Technical Program Manager (TPM) Karanveer Anand, who joins our hosts to discuss the unique role of TPMs in Site Reliability Engineering (SRE). The conversation highlights how SRE …
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This episode features Google Technical Program Manager (TPM) Karanveer Anand, who joins our hosts to discuss the unique role of TPMs in Site Reliability Engineering (SRE). The conversation highlights how SRE TPMs bridge the gap between technical details and business impact, managing complex projects with inter-team dependencies and ensuring system reliability, particularly in the rapidly evolving AI landscape.
The One with STPA, Jeffrey Snover, and Theo Klein
This episode discusses Systems Theoretic Process Analysis (STPA), a method for analyzing complex systems. Theo Klein, a Google SRE, and Jeffrey Snover, a Distinguished Engineer at Google, explain that STPA …
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This episode discusses Systems Theoretic Process Analysis (STPA), a method for analyzing complex systems. Theo Klein, a Google SRE, and Jeffrey Snover, a Distinguished Engineer at Google, explain that STPA focuses on identifying how system accidents and losses occur due to a loss of control, rather than component failures. STPA helps identify design flaws early, even before code is written! The discussion highlights that STPA is a human-driven process, prompting critical questions about system goals and potential losses, and that Google is adapting the pure STPA approach for commercial software development to make it more practical and efficient.
The One with Startups and Adam Fletcher
In this episode, hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler are joined by guest, Adam Fletcher, CEO and Co-Founder of MarketStreet. They discuss the current state of web development with LLMs, managing technical debt …
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In this episode, hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler are joined by guest, Adam Fletcher, CEO and Co-Founder of MarketStreet. They discuss the current state of web development with LLMs, managing technical debt in startups, the evolution of infrastructure and reliability engineering, the role of community in technology, and the future of software engineering with AI.
The One with SLOs and Sal Furino
In this episode, Sal Furino, Customer Reliability Engineer at Bloomberg, discusses all things Service Level Objectives (SLOs) with hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler. Together, they dig into what successful …
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In this episode, Sal Furino, Customer Reliability Engineer at Bloomberg, discusses all things Service Level Objectives (SLOs) with hosts Steve McGhee and Matt Siegler. Together, they dig into what successful SLOs look like, how it relates to users, and how SLOs provide an effective framework for joint decisions about system reliability across product, engineering, and leadership teams.
The One With the Future of SRE and Matt Zelesko
Matt Zelesko, the head of Site Reliability Engineering at Google, discusses the evolution of SRE, highlighting the shift from traditional operations to a model that balances velocity and reliability to better …
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Matt Zelesko, the head of Site Reliability Engineering at Google, discusses the evolution of SRE, highlighting the shift from traditional operations to a model that balances velocity and reliability to better serve the rapid advancements in AI and ML. He emphasizes that SRE's core mission is to enable partners to move quickly while meeting reliability goals, and that the sheer scale of Google's infrastructure necessitates the SRE model for cross-system problem-solving. Zelesko envisions AI as a crucial assistant for SREs, improving incident detection, mitigation, and postmortem processes, and allowing SREs to focus on more complex engineering challenges and risk management earlier in the development cycle, while still valuing the hands-on experience of operating production infrastructure.
The One with AI and Todd Underwood
In this Google Prodcast episode, Todd Underwood, a reliability expert from Anthropic with experience at Google and OpenAI, discusses the current state and future of AI in SRE. Todd and the hosts focus on the …
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In this Google Prodcast episode, Todd Underwood, a reliability expert from Anthropic with experience at Google and OpenAI, discusses the current state and future of AI in SRE. Todd and the hosts focus on the current state and future of AI and ML in production, particularly for SREs. Topics discussed include the challenges of AI-Ops, limitations of current anomaly detection, the potential for AI in config authoring and troubleshooting, trade-offs between product velocity and reliability, the evolving role of SREs in an AI-driven world, and book publication for optimal timing.
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