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Identity at the Center is a weekly podcast all about identity security in the context of identity and access management (IAM). With decades of real-world IAM experience, hosts Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman bring you conversations with news, topics, and guests from the identity management industry. Do you know who has access to what? Visit us on the web at idacpodcast.com
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#460 - Sponsor Spotlight - Silverfort
Jeff and Jim are joined by Rob Ainscough, Chief Identity Security Advisor at Silverfort and host of the Identity Decoded podcast, to look at what happens when an autonomous AI attacker goes after identity. Rob …
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Jeff and Jim are joined by Rob Ainscough, Chief Identity Security Advisor at Silverfort and host of the Identity Decoded podcast, to look at what happens when an autonomous AI attacker goes after identity. Rob shares how a decade running a 400,000-person IAM program at a UK retailer, and one identity-driven incident, moved him from compliance-led to threat-led identity. He walks through the AI Attack Lab, where an AI red agent called Cypher went from a network foothold to domain dominance in under four minutes by chaining familiar identity weaknesses in parallel. The conversation covers why governance alone can't stop machine-speed attacks, identity as a drawbridge that rises with the threat level, why agents favor non-human identities, and giving every account a protection plan. Plus podcasting lessons, community building, and the return of the Identity Mullet.
This episode is made possible with support from Silverfort. Learn more at silverfort.com/idac
Connect with Rob: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-ainscough/
Identity Decoded podcast: https://www.silverfort.com/identity-decoded-podcast/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
00:00 Intro, and an apology to Mark
01:33 Meet Rob Ainscough
01:53 Falling into identity at a UK retailer
03:43 The incident that changed everything
05:48 Orphaned account war stories
07:59 Account correlation in the age of agents
09:23 The Identity Decoded podcast
11:11 What Silverfort has been focused on
13:21 Black October: hype vs. reality
15:51 Familiar techniques, new speed and scale
18:52 What is the AI Attack Lab?
23:23 Watching Cypher compromise a domain
27:58 What identity programs left behind
29:25 Building the attacker and keeping it contained
32:16 Controls that stay transparent to the model
34:08 What surprised Rob most
35:27 Goal-oriented to a fault
37:23 Was the lab environment rigged?
39:16 How security teams react
43:16 Why good governance isn't enough
47:19 Where to start: every account has a plan
49:31 Why AI attackers target NHIs
51:19 Lessons from a first season of podcasting
56:38 Nerves before hitting record
58:27 The Identity Mullet
01:02:38 Wrap-up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Rob Ainscough, Silverfort, Sponsor Spotlight, Identity Decoded, AI Attack Lab, Cypher, AI agents, agentic AI, autonomous attacker, Black October, threat-led identity, identity threat detection and response, ITDR, Active Directory, Kerberoasting, AS-REP roasting, golden ticket, lateral movement, credential harvesting, domain compromise, non-human identities, NHI, service accounts, PAM, IGA, identity debt, runtime enforcement, identity security, CISO, red team, Mythos
#459 - The Three Lines Model for Identity Practitioners with Autumn Hurley
Jim McDonald flies solo this week while Jeff Steadman is out on assignment, and he's joined by Autumn Hurley, Cyber Risk Consulting Principal at RSM US LLP, for a practitioner's crash course in risk management …
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Jim McDonald flies solo this week while Jeff Steadman is out on assignment, and he's joined by Autumn Hurley, Cyber Risk Consulting Principal at RSM US LLP, for a practitioner's crash course in risk management frameworks and the three lines model. Autumn shares her path from marketing and banking to running offensive security operations and now leading RSM's cyber financial services team. From there, she and Jim unpack the vocabulary identity teams hear constantly but rarely get explained: likelihood, impact, risk appetite, controls, and the difference between a policy, a standard, and a procedure. They cover what GRC tools do, how frameworks like NIST CSF, ISO 27001, COBIT, and COSO apply, and the warning signs that compliance has become a checkbox exercise. Autumn then walks joiner-mover-leaver through the first, second, and third lines, explains where external audit fits, and offers practical guidance on translating an identity project into the risk language executives, auditors, and boards respond to. The episode closes with home remodeling advice and a contractor story Jim would rather forget.
Connect with Autumn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/autumnhurleyatrsm
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 Welcome and upcoming events
02:20 Why this episode: risk and the three lines model
03:36 Autumn's non-traditional path into cybersecurity
05:12 From pen testing to risk and governance
07:18 How her perspective on risk has changed
08:18 What is risk management?
10:07 Risk concepts every identity practitioner should know
12:52 Business, technology, and identity risk as a pyramid
14:28 What is a control?
16:05 Policy vs. standard vs. procedure
17:56 Control design vs. operating effectiveness
20:05 What is a GRC tool?
21:36 Who creates risk and control frameworks
23:07 NIST, ISO 27001, COBIT, COSO: what you need to know
24:24 Keeping compliance from becoming a checkbox exercise
26:16 The three lines model explained
30:19 Where external audit fits
31:38 Joiner-mover-leaver through the three lines
34:04 Can auditors rely on IGA and SSO data?
36:09 Why the lines are blurring
37:50 The IT risk function as internal advisor
38:46 Preparing for risk conversations with senior leaders
40:40 Translating an identity project into risk language
42:36 Key terms for talking with risk, compliance, and audit
43:56 Autumn's key takeaway
45:38 Remodeling advice and a contractor horror story
49:37 Wrap-up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Autumn Hurley, RSM, risk management, three lines model, three lines of defense, cyber risk, risk management framework, controls, control effectiveness, policy, standards, procedures, GRC, governance risk and compliance, NIST CSF, ISO 27001, COBIT, COSO, internal audit, external audit, risk appetite, risk tolerance, likelihood and impact, joiner mover leaver, JML, user access reviews, IGA, identity governance, privileged access, financial services, compliance, IAM, identity and access management
#458 - Gartner US IAM Summit 2026 Preview with Rebecca Archambault and Paul Rabinovich
Jeff and Jim finally land a long-sought pair of guests: current Gartner analysts Rebecca Archambault and Paul Rabinovich, chair and co-chair of the Gartner Identity & Access Management Summit, December 7-9 at …
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Jeff and Jim finally land a long-sought pair of guests: current Gartner analysts Rebecca Archambault and Paul Rabinovich, chair and co-chair of the Gartner Identity & Access Management Summit, December 7-9 at Caesars Forum in Las Vegas. Rebecca and Paul share their paths into identity, from HSBC and Lotus Notes to a security PhD and aerospace and defense, then preview this year's theme of reshaping identity in the age of AI. The conversation covers the MCP interop session with the OpenID Foundation, why authorization remains so hard to standardize, runtime controls, human-in-the-loop, and intent-based access control for AI agents, IVIP and the end of "light IGA," and why the fundamentals still matter. They close with tips for first-time attendees, how analyst one-on-ones work, the new expo floor neighborhoods, and a few Las Vegas recommendations.
Gartner US IAM Summit: https://www.gartner.com/en/conferences/na/identity-access-management-us
Connect with Rebecca: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-becky-archambault-4b4285111/
Connect with Paul: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-rabinovich-20b79b8/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 Jeff's broken finger update and the Gartner white whale
03:17 Welcome Rebecca Archambault and Paul Rabinovich
04:08 Rebecca's path from HSBC to identity
06:04 Lotus Notes war stories
07:23 Paul's path from a security PhD to identity
08:22 Paul's role in Gartner for Technical Professionals
09:27 Rebecca's coverage: IAM programs, IGA, IVIP, ISPM, ITDR, and CIAM
10:43 How their perspectives changed as analysts
12:50 What to expect at the Gartner IAM Summit
14:54 What's different this year
19:17 The MCP interop with the OpenID Foundation
23:32 Past interops: CAEP and AuthZEN
24:09 What didn't make the agenda
26:36 Decentralized identity and the London Summit
28:32 Rebecca's session: Renaissance in the Age of AI
31:58 Can authorization ever be standardized?
39:42 Standards and authorizing AI agents
42:12 Paul's session: AI agents on a solid access management foundation
46:50 Foundational IAM and the rise of IVIP
49:23 First-timer tips: Conference Navigator, recordings, one-on-ones
55:21 Las Vegas hidden gems
1:00:31 PSA: Caesars Forum is not Caesars Palace
1:04:46 New expo floor neighborhoods
1:05:56 Networking advice
1:07:15 Wrap up: Ask IDAC, IAM 101 series, and the donor page
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Rebecca Archambault, Paul Rabinovich, Gartner, Gartner IAM Summit, Identity and Access Management, IAM, AI Agents, Agentic AI, MCP, Model Context Protocol, OpenID Foundation, Interop, Authorization, AuthZEN, CAEP, Shared Signals Framework, OPA, Cedar, Intent-Based Access Control, Human in the Loop, IGA, IVIP, ISPM, ITDR, CIAM, PAM, Machine Identity, NHI, Zero Trust, Post-Quantum Cryptography, Decentralized Identity, Las Vegas
#457 - Sponsor Spotlight - Iden
In this Sponsor Spotlight, Jim McDonald talks with Pranay Yadav, co-founder and CEO of Iden, about why identity governance still runs on tickets and spreadsheets at so many organizations. Pranay came to …
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In this Sponsor Spotlight, Jim McDonald talks with Pranay Yadav, co-founder and CEO of Iden, about why identity governance still runs on tickets and spreadsheets at so many organizations. Pranay came to identity from venture capital at Accel, where he kept hearing the same story from IT teams. SSO arrives early, and everything after it gets tracked by hand.
They dig into how deep governance has to go. Knowing someone has a GitHub account is one thing. Knowing they can approve their own pull requests is another. Pranay explains where SCIM stops short of fine-grained entitlements in SaaS, internal, and legacy apps, why a governance program is only as complete as the weakest app in the stack, how teams can sort apps into P0, P1, and P2 priorities, and when access requests should be automated versus kept in front of a human.
The conversation closes on AI. That covers using it to help practitioners and end users, the harder problem of governing AI agents that share a person's identity, credentials, and long-lived tokens, and why nobody has patience for multi-year identity programs anymore. Pranay also shares the advice he'd give his firstborn: don't typecast yourself.
Made possible with support from Iden. Learn more at idenhq.com/idac
Connect with Pranay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ypranay/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
00:10 Welcome and Sponsor Spotlight introduction
01:09 From venture capital to identity governance
02:41 Where the friction starts for small IT teams
04:37 Starting with the apps that lack built-in provisioning
05:21 The floor and the ceiling of who feels the pain
06:44 How deep governance has to go
11:35 When knowing "has access" is enough
13:37 Where SCIM fits and where it stops
15:18 Depth in practice: SaaS roles, GitHub, and internal apps
19:13 Breadth and the long tail of apps
21:30 Prioritizing apps into P0, P1, and P2
25:39 What governance means functionally
28:31 When to automate access requests and when to keep a human in the loop
32:18 The experience for the IGA administrator
36:25 AI for governance
43:06 Why governing AI agents is so hard
47:41 No appetite for multi-year identity projects
52:49 Lighter note: advice for a firstborn
56:05 Wrap-up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Pranay Yadav, Iden, Sponsor Spotlight, identity governance, IGA, identity governance and administration, IAM, SCIM, fine-grained entitlements, RBAC, authorization, access reviews, joiner mover leaver, onboarding, offboarding, provisioning, deprovisioning, least privilege, segregation of duties, audit evidence, connectors, long tail of applications, SaaS governance, internal applications, legacy applications, automation, human in the loop, AI for governance, MCP, AI agents, agent governance, non-human identity, delegated identity, API tokens, Accel
#456 - AI vs Reality with Joseph Carson
Recorded live from the expo hall at InfoSec World 2026, Jeff and Jim welcome back Joseph Carson, host of the Security by Default podcast, for his third appearance on the show. Joseph explains how his thinking …
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Recorded live from the expo hall at InfoSec World 2026, Jeff and Jim welcome back Joseph Carson, host of the Security by Default podcast, for his third appearance on the show. Joseph explains how his thinking has moved from "AI vs AI" to "AI vs reality" after talking with CISOs at roughly 40 events this year, including stories of agents breaking into systems they were never meant to touch and a CFO vibe coding a family scheduler on a corporate laptop. He walks through his three-tier framework for agent risk (task, operational, and legally binding agents), makes the case that agents need identifiers and audit trails rather than human-style treatment, and describes Identity Under Attack, a Dungeons and Dragons style tabletop exercise he ran at NATO CyCon with identity coins, chaos cards, and dice. The conversation also covers why identity resiliency keeps landing last on the shopping list, what Locked Shields teaches about communication and identity strategy, a sobering prediction for 2027, and what identity practitioners can do today with ephemeral, auditable access. The episode closes with a podcaster gear chat and the difference between AI slop and AI enabled work.
Connect with Joe: https://www.linkedin.com/in/josephcarson/
Security by Default podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@SecuritybyDefaultPodcast
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com00:00 Intro from InfoSec World 2026 and Jeff's broken finger
02:33 Welcome back Joseph Carson
03:18 From AI vs AI to AI vs reality
05:02 CISO stories: rogue agents and the vibe-coding CFO
06:46 The rise of consumer agents
07:50 A three-tier framework for agent risk
10:52 Onboarding digital workers with a code of conduct
12:39 Identities or identifiers? Estonia's agent identity debate
15:34 Identity Under Attack: a Dungeons and Dragons style tabletop exercise
22:32 Bringing the exercise to conferences
24:49 What surprised Joseph: collaboration across roles
26:52 Common choices and why MFA comes first
28:16 Designing a budget that forces hard choices
29:29 Identity resiliency as an afterthought
31:24 AI as the Mario Kart mushroom
32:53 Lessons from NATO Locked Shields
35:49 Supply chain and third-party risk
37:18 Predictions for 2027
38:59 What identity practitioners can do now
40:23 Vibe coding and governance at AI speed
42:04 Podcast gear and AI-assisted production
48:02 AI slop vs AI enabled
52:17 About the Security by Default podcast
53:45 Wrap-up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Joseph Carson, Security by Default, InfoSec World 2026, Cyber Risk Alliance, agentic AI, AI agents, non-human identity, agent identity, digital workers, AI governance, vibe coding, tabletop exercise, Identity Under Attack, gamification, NATO CyCon, Locked Shields, MITRE ATT&CK, incident response, identity resiliency, MFA, privileged access, just-in-time access, ephemeral access, least privilege, supply chain risk, third-party risk, AI slop, podcasting
#455 - CNAPP and the Cloud Identity Problem with Mike Small
Most cloud security incidents trace back to the customer, and most of those trace back to identity. Jeff and Jim sit down with Mike Small, Senior Analyst at KuppingerCole, to unpack Cloud Native Application …
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Most cloud security incidents trace back to the customer, and most of those trace back to identity. Jeff and Jim sit down with Mike Small, Senior Analyst at KuppingerCole, to unpack Cloud Native Application Protection Platforms (CNAPP) and why identity practitioners should care. Mike explains how identity controls in the cloud have become data defined in code, why ephemeral workloads break traditional scan-then-deploy security, and how CNAPP evolved from static configuration analysis into runtime monitoring and SOC integration. The conversation covers the shared responsibility model, SOC 2 attestations and complementary user entity controls, multi-cloud complexity, and why standards matter for portability and sovereignty. Mike also looks at CNAPP as a security plane for AI, agents as another layer of non-human identity, recent market consolidation, and the cloud as national critical infrastructure. Plus, a detour into amateur radio, Morse code exams, and low-power QRP contacts across the Atlantic.
Connect with Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikesmall01/
AI Identity and Agentic Trust: https://www.kuppingercole.com/blog/small/ai-identity-and-agentic-trust
Mike's other writing for KuppingerCole: https://www.kuppingercole.com/people/small
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 Welcome and fall conference season
02:52 Introducing Mike Small
03:19 From engineer to identity software to analyst
05:07 What is CNAPP and why should IAM care?
07:21 Most cloud incidents are the customer's fault
11:00 Identity controls in the cloud are data
15:17 Static configuration analysis vs. runtime monitoring
19:34 Is CNAPP a product or a platform?
21:07 CSPM, CWPP, CIEM, KSPM and CNAPP capabilities
23:12 The shared responsibility model
27:46 Who defines secure? SOC 2 and complementary user entity controls
31:40 Multi-cloud and the case for standards
35:18 CNAPP as the security plane for AI
40:48 Where the CNAPP market heads next
44:34 Acquisitions and consolidation in cloud security
46:50 The cloud as national critical infrastructure
50:08 How sovereign is a sovereign cloud?
53:12 MCP and the speed of AI standards
53:39 Mike's passion for amateur radio
1:05:20 The CNAPP elevator pitch
1:06:14 Wrap up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Mike Small, KuppingerCole, CNAPP, Cloud Native Application Protection Platform, cloud security, CIEM, cloud infrastructure entitlement management, CSPM, CWPP, KSPM, shared responsibility model, least privilege, misconfiguration, runtime monitoring, SOC 2, complementary user entity controls, multi-cloud, non-human identity, NHI, AI agents, agentic AI, MCP, sovereign cloud, critical infrastructure, identity standards, MFA, amateur radio, IAM, identity and access management
#454 - Sponsor Spotlight - HYPR
Bojan Simic, co-founder and CEO of HYPR, returns to Identity at the Center for a Sponsor Spotlight conversation with Jim McDonald. Bojan traces HYPR's path from passwordless authentication to a broader set of …
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Bojan Simic, co-founder and CEO of HYPR, returns to Identity at the Center for a Sponsor Spotlight conversation with Jim McDonald. Bojan traces HYPR's path from passwordless authentication to a broader set of identity assurance controls and explains how assurance differs from verification across the full employee lifecycle. He describes what organizations find when they look for worker impersonators, from remote employees outsourcing their jobs to North Korean operatives, and why verification has to continue past day one. The conversation then turns to AI agents: why IAM teams are becoming the HR of AI, how agent identity differs from human identity, why humans can't manually govern agents at scale, and why securing MCP alone misses the full context of an agent's session. Bojan also covers what is slowing passwordless adoption, adaptive risk, alert fatigue, and how identity teams and the SOC can work together. This episode was made possible with support from HYPR.
Connect with Bojan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bojansimic
Learn more about HYPR: https://www.hypr.com/idac
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
00:10 Sponsor Spotlight intro and welcome back Bojan Simic
02:36 HYPR's evolution from passwordless to identity assurance
04:44 How the pace of identity projects has changed
06:01 Agentic AI moves from theory to reality
08:19 Identity assurance vs. identity verification
10:02 Why workforce identity verification is on the rise
13:01 AI-powered social engineering crosses language barriers
14:30 Continuous verification beyond onboarding
17:06 Balancing verification with user experience
18:36 The business problem behind AI agent governance
22:42 How agent identity differs from human identity
24:50 Who owns agent identity? IAM as the HR of AI
27:00 Governing agents at scale and keeping humans in the loop
29:23 Why endpoint control matters for AI agents
31:48 What securing MCP alone can miss
33:20 Deterministic and probabilistic controls
35:00 What is holding passwordless back
37:26 Pilots and letting perfect be the enemy of good
39:25 Advice for leaders on adaptive risk
42:02 Signals that matter and avoiding alert fatigue
43:36 Identity teams and the SOC
45:53 Lighter note: early mornings in New York, family, and the Yankees
50:36 Wrap-up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Bojan Simic, HYPR, Sponsor Spotlight, identity assurance, identity verification, workforce identity verification, continuous verification, worker impersonation, North Korean IT workers, deepfakes, social engineering, help desk security, AI agents, agentic AI, agent identity, AI agent governance, non-human identity, NHI, MCP, Model Context Protocol, endpoint security, blast radius, least privilege, access reviews, passwordless, MFA, FIDO, adaptive risk, adaptive authentication, alert fatigue, SOC, identity threat detection, IAM
#453 - Treating Identity Like a Product with Eve Maler
Eve Maler, founder of Venn Factory and author of Mastering Digital Identity, joins Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman for her tenth appearance on Identity at the Center. Eve shares what she has learned since the …
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Eve Maler, founder of Venn Factory and author of Mastering Digital Identity, joins Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman for her tenth appearance on Identity at the Center. Eve shares what she has learned since the book came out, from writing for non-technical executives (and keeping AI out of the manuscript) to the strange places identity ends up on the org chart. The conversation covers treating identity as a product, why identity can be a business model in disguise, how CISOs can influence CIAM when they are not the boss of it, and the identity debt that AI is now calling due. Eve also explains why intent looks more like purpose of use than finer-grained authorization, how contract language can help frame agent mandates, what trust means to humans versus security teams, and the early work on UMA for Agents (U4A) to govern third-party agents through a resource-centric, protect surface mindset. The episode wraps with travel tips from all three frequent flyers.
Connect with Eve: https://www.linkedin.com/in/evemaler/
Eve's book "Mastering Digital Identity" - https://masteringdigitalidentity.com/
MyTerms: https://myterms.info/
UMA for Agents: https://u4a.ai/
Kwaai AI Lab - https://www.kwaai.ai/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 Introduction and Eve's tenth appearance
02:40 Life since publishing Mastering Digital Identity
04:49 Writing for non-technical executives
06:36 AI and the book writing process
09:00 Identity as a product: feedback from leaders
10:29 The strangest places identity lives on the org chart
11:46 Metrics that work across functions
13:40 Identity as a business model in disguise
15:14 Identity's unhoused problem
16:56 Who is accountable for identity?
18:33 Security versus usability
20:43 Is identity the product or part of the product?
24:04 Normalizing product replacement
25:53 CISOs, CIAM, and "You're Not the Boss of Them"
28:03 Defining identity debt
29:27 How AI exposes identity debt
31:38 The organizational roots of identity debt
32:52 What intent means for AI agents
34:23 Poisoned intent and contracts as a model
36:15 Laws of robotics and the policy stack
39:21 MyTerms and IEEE 7012
40:04 Trust as a human word
43:29 UMA for Agents and third-party agents
47:27 The protect surface and what practitioners should consider
51:10 U4A maturity and how to get involved
53:43 Travel tips from frequent flyers
1:02:10 Wrap up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Eve Maler, Venn Factory, Mastering Digital Identity, identity as a product, identity product management, identity debt, technical debt, CIAM, customer identity, CISO, identity ownership, identity metrics, board-level identity, AI agents, agentic AI, non-human identity, NHI, intent, purpose of use, trust, zero trust, protect surface, UMA, User-Managed Access, UMA for Agents, U4A, third-party agents, MyTerms, IEEE 7012, Kwaai, consent phishing, phishing-resistant authentication, passkeys, NIST 800-63, IAM, identity and access management, travel tips
#452 - When Identity Becomes Critical Infrastructure with Shea McGrew
Shea McGrew, Chief Technology Officer at Maricopa County, returns to Identity at the Center one year after episode 376 to take on a question she first raised at our Identity After Dark session: when does …
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Shea McGrew, Chief Technology Officer at Maricopa County, returns to Identity at the Center one year after episode 376 to take on a question she first raised at our Identity After Dark session: when does digital identity become critical infrastructure? Jeff and Jim talk with Shea about how a county broadband and digital equity project led her to see digital trust as the thread running through every digital government service, and why that trust depends on identity. The conversation covers building an external identity portal for residents, designing for consent and privacy from the start, why residents extend trust to private platforms more readily than to government, the right to be forgotten, data governance across departments, and where decentralized identity and verifiable credentials might fit. Shea also shares her view on access reviews as a learning journey, what it would take to trust AI agents with certifications, and whether an agent could ever be considered a citizen. Plus, potatoes and the proper way to cut a sandwich.
Connect with Shea: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shea-mcgrew-6b82a36/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 Welcome to Identity at the Center (or AI at the Center)
02:19 How Jim and Jeff met, and how the podcast started
04:09 Jeff's fall conference schedule
06:39 Do you want IDAC content over the holidays?
07:32 IDPro membership and introducing Shea McGrew
08:15 Looking back at Identity After Dark
10:44 Zero trust progress one year later
12:04 From device identity to external identity and broadband
16:04 What counts as critical infrastructure?
19:00 External identity requirements in government
21:04 The blast radius of identity failure
23:06 If identity is critical infrastructure, who owns it?
24:26 What other public sector leaders are saying
26:40 One person, many identities
28:40 How government earns resident trust
32:37 Why not just copy Amazon?
35:02 A right to be forgotten in the US?
36:22 Governing data across department boundaries
38:30 Decentralized identity and the ownership problem
41:30 Tokenization and existing blockchains
42:34 The digital trust umbrella
45:56 Park passes versus benefits and courts
49:19 Does an official designation unlock anything?
51:03 Access reviews: security theater or essential?
55:26 Would you trust AI agents with access reviews?
58:36 Can an AI agent be a citizen?
1:02:20 More questions than answers
1:04:24 Lighter note: If you were a potato
1:07:55 Bonus: How do you cut a sandwich?
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Shea McGrew, Maricopa County, critical infrastructure, digital identity, digital trust, public sector identity, government identity, external identity, CIAM, citizen identity, resident identity, digital services, broadband, digital equity, zero trust, device identity, IGA, access reviews, access certifications, consent, privacy, right to be forgotten, data governance, decentralized identity, verifiable credentials, blockchain, tokenization, identity assurance, AI agents, agentic identity, non-human identity, NHI, human in the loop, Identity After Dark, IAM, identity and access management
#451 - Sponsor Spotlight - C1.ai
Alex Bovee, CEO and co-founder of C1.ai (formerly ConductorOne), returns for his third appearance on Identity at the Center. Alex walks Jim and Jeff through the rebrand to C1.ai and why the .ai matters …
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Alex Bovee, CEO and co-founder of C1.ai (formerly ConductorOne), returns for his third appearance on Identity at the Center. Alex walks Jim and Jeff through the rebrand to C1.ai and why the .ai matters: identity now covers humans, workloads, and agents. The conversation opens on launch week and the new App Hub, built around a question many CIOs and CISOs are facing. What happens when everyone in the company becomes a builder and vibe-coded apps start running critical workflows?
From there, Alex frames the difference between humans, software, and agents using two dimensions, trustworthiness and determinism, and explains why agents that "goal max" call for runtime enforcement instead of relying only on after-the-fact reviews. He breaks down the Hugging Face breach, where an OpenAI agent under evaluation escaped its sandbox in pursuit of better eval results, and lays out six control points for agent security: identity, the harness, network egress, data and tools, the LLM gateway, and credentials.
The group also covers why IGA fundamentals speed up AI adoption, three buckets of agents (SaaS, enterprise, and personal productivity), agents evaluating other agents, governed swim lanes over shutting things down, and the slept-on problem of credentials sprawling across endpoints. Plus girl dads, boy families, and the return of the Royal Octopus.
Made possible with support from C1. Learn more at c1.ai/idac
Connect with Alex: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexbovee/
Learn more about C1: https://www.c1.ai/idac
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
00:00 Intro
00:33 Welcome back, Alex Bovee
01:28 From ConductorOne to C1 and the .ai rebrand
04:14 Launch week and the App Hub
07:07 Farm-to-table software and the limits of off-the-shelf SaaS
09:56 The real risks of vibe-coded apps
12:52 Humans, software, and agents: trust and determinism
17:10 UARs matter more for agents
17:59 What happened in the Hugging Face breach
21:23 Six control points for securing agents
25:38 Where should teams focus first?
31:33 Meeting customers where they are
33:02 Why IGA basics come before AI adoption
34:27 AI accelerates bad IAM
35:45 Governance versus business speed
37:51 SaaS, enterprise, and personal productivity agents
41:19 Runtime enforcement and agents evaluating agents
44:22 Can you train an agent not to goal max?
47:33 Governed swim lanes, not shutdowns
50:33 Publishing a vibe-coded app through App Hub
53:03 The slept-on credential problem
56:04 Girl dads, boy families, and the Royal Octopus
1:00:54 Wrap-up
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Alex Bovee, C1, C1.ai, ConductorOne, Sponsor Spotlight, identity and access management, IAM, identity governance, IGA, AI agents, agentic AI, agentic enterprise, non-human identity, NHI, workload identity, machine identity, vibe coding, App Hub, Hugging Face breach, OpenAI, agent evals, goal maxing, runtime enforcement, runtime security, MCP, MCP gateway, LLM gateway, network egress, agent harness, just-in-time credentials, secrets management, shadow AI, user access reviews, UAR, joiner mover leaver, delegated authorization
#450 - New to Identity with Alexis Bernthal
Jeff flies solo for episode 450, joined by Alexis Bernthal, an associate on RSM's technology risk consulting team who found her way to the podcast through a corporate-wide email and a contact form submission …
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Jeff flies solo for episode 450, joined by Alexis Bernthal, an associate on RSM's technology risk consulting team who found her way to the podcast through a corporate-wide email and a contact form submission that led to an invitation to Identiverse. They trace how Alexis went from failing a high school computer science class to finishing a CS degree, and how a topic on the show, role-based access, first put identity and access management on her radar. Alexis walks through what technology risk consulting looks like day to day, her first industry conference experience at Identiverse (including Identibeer, sessions on agentic identity and transaction tokens, and a Women in Identity gathering), and the blog she started at AlexisBernthal.com to document her own journey. The conversation turns to what it takes to bring more early-career people into identity: the perceived technical barrier, the value of mentorship and simply introducing yourself at conferences, and whether seniority is really a prerequisite (Jeff's own path started with programming parking lot lighting identities at Walgreens). They close things out with a browser tab hot take and a warning about what not to leave open during a screen share.
Connect with Alexis: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexis-bernthal/
Visit her website: AlexisBernthal.com
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:10 - Introduction and upcoming conference schedule
01:48 - Guest introduction: Alexis Bernthal
02:10 - How Jeff and Alexis met and the podcast's origin story
08:12 - How Alexis got into IT and landed at RSM
11:02 - What technology risk consulting actually involves
14:34 - A day in the life, plus RSM's Power of Love campaign
17:15 - How identity first showed up on Alexis's radar
18:48 - Identiverse: Alexis's first-ever conference
21:31 - Enthusiasm, Identibeer, and standout sessions
26:06 - AlexisBernthal.com and her own podcast with her dad
28:35 - What surprised her most about IAM
30:05 - Jeff's identity-as-a-language analogy
37:49 - Breaking into IAM without a technical background
41:21 - Learning by being in the room, plus IDAC's website Easter eggs
46:23 - ID Pro, mentors, and shout-outs to the RSM digital identity team
49:58 - What's holding the next generation back from IAM
54:19 - Introducing yourself at conferences and meeting people where they are
59:30 - Jeff's own accidental start in identity, programming parking lot lights
1:04:00 - Luck, networking, and today's job market
1:08:03 - Advice for new grads breaking into the field
1:10:26 - Where Alexis sees her IAM journey heading
1:12:59 - Lightning round: how many browser tabs is too many
1:17:44 - A cautionary tale about screen sharing
1:20:12 - Wrap-up and thank you's
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Alexis Bernthal, RSM, technology risk consulting, identity and access management, IAM, role-based access, Identiverse, Identibeer, ID Pro, agentic identity, transaction tokens, career development, mentorship, networking, early career, digital identity, authentication, authorization, single sign-on
#449 - Decoded - Transaction Tokens with George Fletcher
George Fletcher joins Jeff Steadman and Sean O'Dell for a Decoded deep dive into transaction tokens (Txn-Tokens), the OAuth Working Group specification designed to secure requests as they move across …
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George Fletcher joins Jeff Steadman and Sean O'Dell for a Decoded deep dive into transaction tokens (Txn-Tokens), the OAuth Working Group specification designed to secure requests as they move across microservices. George explains the problem transaction tokens solve: hop to hop security gaps, replayed access tokens, and the difficulty of tracking a single transaction across a graph of internal services. The conversation covers the anatomy of a transaction token, including the subject, audience, scope, and TXN claims, how a token's time to live should be scoped to the transaction itself, and why immutable parameters prevent tampering mid chain. George and Sean also explore how transaction tokens apply to AI agents and delegated authorization, referencing draft work on agent specific claims and cross domain trust. The episode closes with practical starting points for organizations of any size, including open source options and where to track the specification through the IETF OAuth Working Group.
Resources mentioned in this episode:
Transaction Tokens (base draft): https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-oauth-transaction-tokens-11.html
Transaction Token Chaining Profile (Cross Domain Trust): https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-fletcher-transaction-token-chaining-profile-02.html
Transaction Tokens for Agents: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-araut-oauth-transaction-tokens-for-agents-00.html
Tokenetes: https://tokenetes.io/
OAuth Working Group: https://github.com/oauth-wg
Decoded by Identity at the Center:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Sean O'Dell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanodentity/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:15 Introduction and catching up with Sean O'Dell
01:25 Introducing today's topic, transaction tokens and zero trust
02:26 George Fletcher joins the show
02:41 George's path into identity, from AOL to the Liberty Alliance
04:22 The problem that led to transaction tokens at Verizon Media
09:01 What a transaction token is, in plain terms
10:25 The specific problem transaction tokens solve
11:43 Transaction tokens versus a short lived access token
13:48 Delegated authorization, traceability, and the TXN claim
22:04 How long a transaction token should live
27:13 Local AI, vibe coding, and shrinking token lifetimes
28:45 What is inside a transaction token, the core claims
35:39 Call chains and the transaction context claim
39:05 Applying transaction tokens to AI agents
41:08 The transaction tokens for agents draft and the ACT claim
43:37 Getting started with limited resources, open source options
46:32 Scaling transaction tokens at a larger organization
50:38 What transaction token nirvana looks like
53:31 Whether this replaces a standard OAuth server
55:59 Where to learn more, the IETF OAuth Working Group
58:09 Cross domain trust and calling outside the enterprise
1:01:38 Alternatives to transaction tokens and adoption incentives
1:05:16 George's summary of the conversation
1:07:26 Sean's closing thoughts and takeaways
1:09:19 Wrap up and close
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Sean O'Dell, George Fletcher, Practical Identity, transaction tokens, Txn-Token, OAuth, OAuth Working Group, zero trust, microservices, access tokens, JWT, authorization, delegated authorization, agentic identity, AI agents, call chain, token exchange, TXN claim, scope claim, Verizon Media, IETF, Keycloak, Tokenetties, cross domain trust, Decoded
#448 - Sponsor Spotlight - Opal Security
Howard Ting, CEO of Opal Security, joins Jeff Steadman for a Sponsor Spotlight covering identity governance for both human and non-human identities. Howard traces his path through RSA Security, Microsoft, Palo …
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Howard Ting, CEO of Opal Security, joins Jeff Steadman for a Sponsor Spotlight covering identity governance for both human and non-human identities. Howard traces his path through RSA Security, Microsoft, Palo Alto Networks, Nutanix, and Cyberhaven before returning to identity to lead Opal. The conversation covers why disabling a departing employee's account rarely ends their access, the orphaned tokens, service accounts, and agents left behind, and why visibility has to come before ownership and risk analysis. Howard and Jeff dig into agent intent and authority: whether an agent can declare its own intent, why permissions should stay a subset of what its human creator holds, and how narrowly scoped, single-task agents make governance easier. They also cover how Opal matches AI decision capacity to a growing volume of access requests, including how the company's Paladin AI supports approvers and campaign creators today. The episode closes with Opal's announcement of a unified platform for governing human, non-human, and agent identities together, extending Paladin's decisioning to agents and introducing Policy Insights to help security teams balance friction against risk. Howard shares his view that identity has to shift from an episodic, event-driven practice to a continuous one, along with a lighthearted detour into 90s video games.
Connect with Howard: https://www.linkedin.com/in/howardting/
Learn more about Opal Security: https://www.opal.dev/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
00:10 Intro and welcome
01:01 Howard's identity origin story: RSA, Microsoft, Kim Cameron
02:48 What Opal does: unified control plane for human and non-human identities
04:16 The opal.dev domain and how Opal got its name
06:42 Termination and lifecycle: why access doesn't fully go away
09:33 Session management and orphaned accounts
13:57 Visibility as the first step in identity governance
17:31 Can an agent declare its own intent?
20:29 Authority: should an agent ever exceed its creator's permissions?
22:12 Inside Opal: Risk Center and Policy Insights
25:41 How Opal connects to systems and collects usage data
27:30 Cross-application segregation of duties
29:06 Zero standing privilege and AI managing AI
32:12 Building trust in AI-driven access decisions
39:00 Announcing Opal's unified platform for agents and non-human identities
44:18 Explainability and traceability in Paladin's decisions
48:54 Tuning risk tolerance and autonomy in Paladin
51:20 Proving value: demos, POCs, and industry skepticism
57:47 The shift from episodic to continuous identity
59:50 Lightning round: favorite 90s video games
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Howard Ting, Opal Security, Sponsor Spotlight, identity governance administration, IGA, non-human identity, NHI, agent identity, agentic AI, access governance, least privilege, just-in-time access, JIT, zero standing privilege, Paladin, Risk Center, Policy Insights, segregation of duties, SOD, RSA Security, Microsoft, Kim Cameron, Palo Alto Networks, Nutanix, Cyberhaven, continuous identity, identity lifecycle management, orphaned accounts, service accounts, API keys, intent-based access control
#447 - Authenticate 2026 Preview with Andi Hindle
Jeff Steadman sits down with Andi Hindle, conference chair for Authenticate 2026, for a preview of this year's event. Making his seventh appearance on the show, Andi walks through how Authenticate has evolved …
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Jeff Steadman sits down with Andi Hindle, conference chair for Authenticate 2026, for a preview of this year's event. Making his seventh appearance on the show, Andi walks through how Authenticate has evolved since its founding alongside Identiverse and outlines six major topic areas shaping the 2026 agenda, including passkeys in practice, regulatory pressures, security and standards architecture, digital identity wallets, and non-human authentication. The conversation moves into hardware-based identity for retail and industrial settings, age verification challenges, and a detour into 3D printing and supply chain assurance. Jeff and Andi dig into continuous identity and zero standing privilege, the shift toward non-human traffic dominating infrastructure requests, and how agentic AI is forcing organizations to rethink authorization and human-in-the-loop decisions. They close with privacy and consent questions for non-human identities, thoughts on where authentication and authorization standards are headed, and a lighter look at Authenticate team traditions and sci-fi recommendations.
Connect with Andi: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ahindle/
Impact of GDPR on Identity and Access Management by Andi Hindle: https://bok.idpro.org/article/id/24/
Learn more about FIDO Authenticate 2026: https://authenticatecon.com/event/authenticate-u-s-2026/
Non-FIDO members can use the code IDAC15 to save 15% on their in-person conference pass.
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:10 - Introduction and discount code rundown for upcoming conferences
01:10 - Andi Hindle returns for his seventh appearance
01:29 - Favorite episode banter and the running Andrew Shikiar joke
03:08 - Origins of Authenticate and its relationship with Identiverse
09:01 - Passkeys are solved, so what comes next
09:53 - Lessons learned building the Authenticate agenda
12:59 - The scale of effort behind running Authenticate
15:29 - Adjacent topics expanding beyond the core passkeys mission
16:09 - Six major topic areas planned for Authenticate 2026
22:13 - Identity as the foundation for everything digital
23:14 - Hardware identity and non-human authentication
24:53 - Retail tokens, badges, and age verification use cases
28:36 - Replacing things only when the replacement is actually better
29:41 - A detour into 3D printing and personal satisfaction
31:39 - 3D printing, supply chain assurance, and identity problems
36:38 - Introducing continuous identity
37:28 - Zero standing privilege and why it matters now
40:46 - The human user as the infrastructure edge case
45:16 - Speed, scale, and the limits of human in the loop
46:11 - Setting red lines for agentic risk
50:56 - Privacy and consent questions for non-human identities
56:51 - Anonymization, data logging, and GDPR parallels
59:51 - A GDPR and IAM resource from the IDPro Body of Knowledge
1:00:26 - What Authenticate topics might look like three years out
1:04:59 - Why accounts may not make sense for agents
1:06:49 - Authorization as the next hard problem to solve
1:08:20 - Inside jokes from the Authenticate organizing team
1:09:30 - The story behind Andi's favorite Britishism
1:10:38 - Book and media recommendations
1:14:39 - Closing thoughts and sign-off
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Andi Hindle, Authenticate 2026, FIDO Alliance, passkeys, identity verification, identity wallets, continuous identity, zero standing privilege, agentic identity, non-human identity, authorization, shared signals, GDPR, IDPro, Identiverse, age verification, hardware authentication
#446 - Rethinking Identity for AI Agents with Rick Scot
Rick Scot, Global CIO and CISO at Elevate Textiles, joins Jim and Jeff to talk about how he went from leading a data team to holding both the CIO and CISO seats at a global manufacturing company. Rick shares …
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Rick Scot, Global CIO and CISO at Elevate Textiles, joins Jim and Jeff to talk about how he went from leading a data team to holding both the CIO and CISO seats at a global manufacturing company. Rick shares the moment that pulled him into security, how his tight-knit Charlotte cyber community shapes his thinking, and how he balances speed and control when the two roles pull in different directions. The conversation moves into identity for the age of AI agents: whether an agent is a human or non-human identity (Rick argues it's neither), who should own accountability when something goes wrong, and how session termination has to extend beyond turning off an account. Rick also digs into shadow AI, the real cost of tokens versus flat-rate licenses, and how he evaluates new identity technology against his organization's size and risk appetite. The episode closes with what excites and concerns him most about AI over the next three to five years, his advice for identity practitioners, and a lighter look at hobbies people wouldn't expect.
Connect with Rick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rickscot/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 - Intro and community shoutouts
07:06 - Introducing Rick Scot, Global CIO and CISO at Elevate Textiles
07:46 - How Rick got into cybersecurity
09:22 - Charlotte's tight-knit cyber community
11:18 - The moment that made security the focus
13:06 - Balancing the CIO and CISO roles
16:17 - What "Identity at the Center" means to Rick
19:26 - Where to start when building an IAM program
23:29 - Balancing risk and innovation with AI
27:46 - Who should own accountability for an AI agent
29:38 - A hierarchy for agent identities
33:31 - Terminating access and sessions, not just accounts
36:25 - Dealing with shadow AI
41:37 - Standing up a governance process for new AI projects
43:19 - Evaluating new identity technology and token costs
48:51 - Training and governance around AI usage
52:22 - Established vendors versus disruptive startups
56:56 - Looking three to five years ahead
1:00:20 - Advice for identity practitioners
1:01:41 - Lightning round: hobbies and surprises
1:08:40 - Closing and where to find Rick
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Rick Scot, Elevate Textiles, CIO, CISO, identity and access management, IAM program, identity governance, AI agents, non-human identity, agentic identity, shadow AI, session management, offboarding, token costs, Charlotte cybersecurity community, identity leadership
#445 - Sponsor Spotlight - Twine Security
Jim McDonald hosts this Sponsor Spotlight episode of Identity at the Center, made possible with support from Twine Security. Jim is joined by Benny Porat, co-founder and CEO of Twine Security and previously …
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Jim McDonald hosts this Sponsor Spotlight episode of Identity at the Center, made possible with support from Twine Security. Jim is joined by Benny Porat, co-founder and CEO of Twine Security and previously co-founder and CTO of Claroty. Benny shares how his cybersecurity background led him into identity and explains the concept of the "execution gap," the space where identity teams are accountable for outcomes but lack the full business context to act on their own. The conversation explores Twine Security's AI digital employee, Alex, and how it differs from traditional automation and RPA, where AI-driven execution fits best within identity operations today, and the balance between the parts of a task AI can handle easily versus the harder remaining work. Benny and Jim also dig into governance and trust, including why least privilege matters even more for AI agents and non-human identities, how organizations typically start with read-only access before expanding permissions, and how access reviews and recertification could evolve as AI takes on more of the process. They close with reflections on measuring success, how the identity practitioner's role changes as more execution shifts to AI, and a lighter round on what a personal AI digital employee might look like.
Connect with Benny: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bennyporat/
Learn more about Twine Security: https://www.twinesecurity.com/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at idacpodcast.com
00:00 - Introduction and welcoming Benny Porat, co-founder and CEO of Twine Security
00:52 - How Benny found his way into identity and access management
02:21 - The origin of the name Twine
03:28 - Defining the IAM execution gap
05:53 - AI digital employees versus RPA and automation
08:07 - Where AI digital employees are best suited today
09:45 - Why AI is strong at eighty percent and what makes the rest difficult
14:45 - Where a digital employee like Alex fits within identity operations
18:43 - Trust, governance, and giving AI agents the right permissions
21:42 - Applying least privilege to AI agents and non-human identities
25:19 - How organizations start using Alex, from read-only to full execution
30:27 - Rethinking the role of access reviews with AI involved
33:14 - Measuring efficiency gains and revocation rate improvements
36:00 - Addressing concerns about AI replacing IAM practitioners
39:12 - How customers define and measure success
44:15 - How the practitioner's day-to-day role changes with AI agents
47:12 - Closing thoughts and where to learn more
47:37 - Lighter note: imagining a personal AI digital employee
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Benny Porat, Twine Security, Sponsor Spotlight, AI digital employee, Alex, identity and access management, IAM, execution gap, least privilege, access reviews, recertification, agentic AI, non-human identity, NHI, Claroty, IGA, PAM, governance, human in the loop
#444 - August 2026 Mailbag
Jeff and Jim open with the unavoidable topic of AI agents and the tension between enabling innovation and governing agent permissions, then run through a packed fall conference schedule. The August mailbag …
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Jeff and Jim open with the unavoidable topic of AI agents and the tension between enabling innovation and governing agent permissions, then run through a packed fall conference schedule. The August mailbag pulls questions from Singapore, Toronto, Prague, Johannesburg, Helsinki, and Seoul. They discuss when externalized authorization makes sense, why passkey recovery can become the weak link in phishing-resistant authentication, what EU digital identity wallets may mean for enterprises, how continuous access evaluation changes the meaning of terminating access, and how to build resilience around a centralized identity provider without creating a second full-scale IdP. The episode closes with a lighter question: if every IAM product needed a giant warning label, what should it say?
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:10 - Welcome and have we talked about AI too much?
01:32 - Governing AI agents without becoming the progress prevention department
03:50 - Fall conference season and IDPro
04:40 - Cybersecurity Summits in Chicago and Atlanta
06:40 - SailPoint Navigate, InfoSec World, FIDO Authenticate, and Identiverse DC
10:40 - 3D printing, challenge coins, and superfan status
11:56 - August mailbag begins
12:19 - Singapore: Is externalized authorization ready for mainstream IAM?
20:30 - Toronto: Passkeys, account recovery, and help desk social engineering
25:55 - Prague: What should enterprises do about EU digital identity wallets?
31:44 - Johannesburg: Continuous session revocation and what “terminate access” really means
38:04 - Helsinki: Designing identity resilience around a centralized IdP
45:23 - Seoul: What warning label should every IAM product have?
48:26 - Wrap-up and how to send future mailbag questions
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, IAM, identity and access management, August 2026 mailbag, externalized authorization, authorization, policy-based access control, passkeys, account recovery, phishing-resistant authentication, identity verification, EU digital identity wallet, continuous access evaluation, shared signals, session revocation, token revocation, identity resilience, identity provider, disaster recovery, business continuity, AI agents, agentic identity, IDPro, FIDO Authenticate, Identiverse DC, InfoSec World, SailPoint Navigate
#443 - Ghosts in the Machine with John Huyette and Omer Arshed
Jeff and Jim are joined by John Huyette, AI Risk Leader at RSM, and Omer Arshed, North American Digital Identity Leader at RSM, to explore how identity controls can help organizations manage the growing risks …
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Jeff and Jim are joined by John Huyette, AI Risk Leader at RSM, and Omer Arshed, North American Digital Identity Leader at RSM, to explore how identity controls can help organizations manage the growing risks of AI agents. John introduces five laws for managing AI risk: governability, lineage and integrity, trust boundaries, authority containment, and human impact. The conversation connects those ideas to familiar IAM principles including ownership, auditability, zero trust, least privilege, just-in-time access, privileged access management, and continuous monitoring. They also discuss prompt injection, shadow AI, human accountability, and why organizations should start by building an honest inventory of the AI capabilities already operating in their environments.
5 Laws of AI Risk: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7487942457075257344/
Connect with John: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-huyette-1373906/
Connect with Omer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/omerarshed/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
Timestamps
00:00 Introduction, 3D printing, and conference updates
06:58 Introducing John Huyette and Omer Arshed
07:52 John’s path from technology risk to AI risk
12:11 Omer’s identity origin story
13:43 The five laws for managing AI risk
18:00 What “ghosts in the machine” means for identity
20:17 Governability and ownership of AI identities
25:17 Do you know what has access to what?
29:43 Applying decades of IAM lessons to AI
32:35 Lineage and integrity
35:20 Building an AI bill of materials
37:12 Trust boundaries and external data
38:36 Prompt injection and untrusted content
42:48 Applying zero trust principles to AI agents
47:26 Authority containment
49:56 PAM, least privilege, and just-in-time agent access
56:22 Human impact and accountability
58:41 Is agentic AI really a new identity problem?
01:02:35 Starting with lower-risk AI use cases
01:04:21 Where organizations should start
01:05:07 Shadow AI and zombie accounts
01:07:09 What excuses would an AI give during an access review?
01:12:20 Wrap-up
Keywords
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, John Huyette, Omer Arshed, RSM, AI risk, AI agents, agentic AI, AI governance, governability, lineage and integrity, trust boundaries, authority containment, human impact, shadow AI, identity governance, IAM, zero trust, privileged access management, PAM, least privilege, just-in-time access, non-human identity, NHI, prompt injection, AI identity, access governance, continuous monitoring
#442 - Identiverse 2026 - Identity After Dark with Bravura Security
Recorded live at Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas on June 17, Jeff and Jim are joined by Bart Allan, General Manager at Bravura Security, for a live recording with a studio audience. In a late-night talk show …
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Recorded live at Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas on June 17, Jeff and Jim are joined by Bart Allan, General Manager at Bravura Security, for a live recording with a studio audience. In a late-night talk show format, the three host an open Q&A driven by IAM practitioners in the room. From securing AI identities to whether access reviews are headed the way of the password, this is an unscripted conversation driven by practitioners for practitioners. Topics include identity as a business enabler, zero standing privilege, agentic authentication, standards for AI agents, vendor relationships, the captive customer problem, community, and hiring IAM talent. Thanks to Bravura Security for supporting the Identity at the Center podcast.
Connect with Bart: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bartholomewallan/
Learn more about Bravura Security: http://bravurasecurity.com/idac
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00:00 Welcome and Introduction
00:03:00 AI Identities: Should IAM Teams Panic?
00:07:30 Identity as a Business Enabler vs. Cost Center
00:24:00 Continuous Identity and the Future of Access Reviews
00:35:00 Zero Standing Privilege and JIT Access
00:38:00 Standards for Agentic AI
00:46:00 Vendor Relationships and the Captive Customer Problem
00:55:56 Normalizing Rip and Replace
01:01:00 IDPro, Identity Beers, and Building Community
01:11:00 Agentic Authentication and Non-Human Identities
01:18:00 Hiring IAM Talent
01:26:00 Team Diversity and Multiple Perspectives
01:27:00 Closing
Identity at the Center, IDAC, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Bart Allan, Bravura Security, Identiverse 2026, Identiverse, IAM, identity and access management, identity security, AI identities, agentic identity, agentic authentication, non-human identities, NHI, access reviews, zero standing privilege, JIT access, continuous identity, IGA, vendor selection, identity community, IDPro, IdentiBeer, live podcast
#441 - Identiverse 2026 - Sachini Siriwardene and Ian Glazer
Live from Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas, Jeff and Jim sit down with Sachini Siriwardene, winner of this year's Kim Cameron Award, along with Ian Glazer of the Digital Identity Advancement Foundation (DIAF) …
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Live from Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas, Jeff and Jim sit down with Sachini Siriwardene, winner of this year's Kim Cameron Award, along with Ian Glazer of the Digital Identity Advancement Foundation (DIAF). Sachini shares how she moved from open banking API security into consumer identity work at a bank, and what led her to apply for the award named after identity pioneer Kim Cameron. Ian explains DIAF's mission to remove financial barriers to industry participation and previews the upcoming Vittorio Bertocci award for standards contributors. The conversation covers agentic AI and non-human identity governance, the AuthZen specification, continuous access management, and how practitioners can separate real AI capability from marketing hype. The group also swaps favorite hallway conversations from the show floor, including a discussion on extending the shared signals framework beyond RISC and CAPE, before wrapping with some very Vegas talk about the Sphere.Connect with Sachini: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sachini-siriwardene/Connect with Ian: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iglazer/Learn more about the Digital Identity Advancement Foundation: https://diaf.org/Connect with us on LinkedIn:Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com00:00 - Cold open and conference banter01:35 - Jim's origin story with identity and Kim Cameron03:22 - Welcoming Sachini Siriwardene and Ian Glazer04:02 - Ian explains the Digital Identity Advancement Foundation05:54 - How Sachini got into identity through open banking08:46 - The moment identity clicked as mission critical09:47 - Agentic AI and non-human identity governance11:25 - Optimist or pessimist on AI and the job market14:45 - Applying for and winning the Kim Cameron Award15:41 - How DIAF selects award recipients17:21 - Standout sessions and the AuthZen specification18:36 - First impressions of Identiverse20:01 - Advice for future award applicants22:03 - Managing agentic identity in practice23:16 - Separating AI hype from real capability24:32 - Where the identity industry can improve27:08 - Acting fast without chasing hype28:05 - Favorite hallway conversations29:23 - Extending the shared signals framework30:39 - A D&D themed conference talk31:08 - Vegas talk and the Sphere experience34:19 - Wrap up and how to support DIAFIDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Sachini Siriwardene, Ian Glazer, Identiverse 2026, Kim Cameron Award, Vittorio Bertocci Award, Digital Identity Advancement Foundation, DIAF, agentic AI, non-human identity, AuthZen, continuous access management, open banking, OAuth2, FAPI, shared signals framework
#440 - Identiverse 2026 - Mike Kiser
Recorded live at Identiverse 2026, Jeff and Jim sit down with returning guest Mike Kiser, Director of Strategy and Standards at SailPoint, for a wide-ranging conversation that spans two of the standards world's …
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Recorded live at Identiverse 2026, Jeff and Jim sit down with returning guest Mike Kiser, Director of Strategy and Standards at SailPoint, for a wide-ranging conversation that spans two of the standards world's most active frontiers. The first half breaks down C2PA, the Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity, explaining how it differs from digital watermarking, how metadata and cryptographic signatures build a chain of custody for media, and why this work connects directly back to identity. The conversation then shifts to AI agents and the challenge of defining and governing intent, with Mike drawing an extended analogy to the early, under-regulated days of space exploration. The episode closes with reflections on the value of hallway conversations and community at Identiverse.
Connect with Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mike-kiser/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 Introduction from Identiverse 2026
01:00 Mike previews his two Identiverse talks
01:35 What C2PA is and how chain of custody works
06:51 Watermarks versus C2PA explained
10:06 Why content provenance matters for identity
14:22 Is C2PA a standard or a working group
16:23 The SpaceX and space debris analogy for agent intent
20:13 Governing agent publishing without stifling innovation
22:00 Action Identification Theory and the how versus the why
27:47 Can an AI actually have intent
32:34 Why people humanize and fall in love with chatbots
38:37 The case for locking down intent early
39:39 Does intent change, or is it a new intent
46:19 Favorite hallway conversations at Identiverse
51:03 Wrap up and where to find Mike
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Mike Kiser, SailPoint, C2PA, Content Provenance and Authenticity, Identiverse 2026, Shared Signals Framework, AI Agents, Agentic Identity, Digital Watermarking, Decentralized Identity Foundation, Intent-Based Access Control
#439 - Sponsor Spotlight - Tuebora
This Sponsor Spotlight episode, made possible with support from Tuebora, features Jim McDonald in conversation with Sanjay Nadimpalli, CEO and founder of Tuebora. Sanjay shares his path into identity beginning …
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This Sponsor Spotlight episode, made possible with support from Tuebora, features Jim McDonald in conversation with Sanjay Nadimpalli, CEO and founder of Tuebora. Sanjay shares his path into identity beginning as one of the first engineers at Aveksa, then discusses how intelligence is reshaping identity governance and administration by replacing static configuration with continuous, context-aware decision making. The conversation covers the concept of governance debt, how AI can interpret organizational intent expressed in natural language, and where human oversight remains essential. The discussion also explores governance of agentic identities, including how they differ from traditional service accounts, the challenges posed by their ephemeral and dynamic nature, and the policy-driven frameworks needed to manage them. Sanjay closes with a reflection on what identity practitioners should be thinking about for the next few years.
Connect with Sanjay: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanjaynadimpalli/
Learn more about Tuebora: https://www.tuebora.com/idac
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00:00 - Introduction and welcome
00:00:56 - How Sanjay got into identity
00:02:40 - Full circle moment with Deepak Taneja and Zilla
00:03:05 - What Tuebora does
00:04:14 - The story behind the name Tuebora
00:05:20 - Can intelligence replace configuration
00:10:05 - Why static configuration falls short today
00:14:52 - Customer frustrations with legacy environments
00:21:09 - Comparing this to everyday AI tool use
00:23:31 - How intelligence drives outcomes
00:28:42 - Maintaining security control alongside AI
00:32:38 - The orchestra analogy for AI and human roles
00:35:28 - Introducing agentic identity governance
00:36:10 - Why agentic identities differ from service accounts
00:42:20 - The scale problem of agentic identities
00:44:00 - Building a framework for agent governance
00:47:35 - Closing advice for identity practitioners
00:52:06 - Where to find Tuebora next
IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Sanjay Nadimpalli, Tuebora, Sponsor Spotlight, identity governance, IGA, agentic identity, AI agents, governance debt, explainability, IAM, access governance, non-human identity, Aveksa, continuous governance, identity governance and administration
#438 - Identiverse 2026 - Sean O'Dell
Recorded live at Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas, Jeff sits down with Decoded co-host Sean O'Dell for a wide-ranging state of the union on continuous identity, shared signals, and the identity questions AI keeps …
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Recorded live at Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas, Jeff sits down with Decoded co-host Sean O'Dell for a wide-ranging state of the union on continuous identity, shared signals, and the identity questions AI keeps raising. Sean shares what he is hearing on the ground about the upcoming transaction tokens spec, why continuous identity has moved from concept to mainstream adoption, and how shared signals are expanding into commerce. The conversation shifts to AI: the real cost of securing it, why model provenance matters, and the murky question of who is on the hook when an AI agent makes an expensive or harmful decision on your behalf. They debate companion agents, consent versus power of attorney, and whether the identity industry even owns this problem. Sean closes with a simple piece of advice for anyone feeling overwhelmed by AI right now.
Connect with Sean: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seanodentity/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro and a Decoded update
00:44 Transaction tokens spec preview
01:51 State of the union on continuous identity
03:39 The questions organizations are asking
04:34 Is it still all about the data
05:07 Shared signals framework moving into commerce
06:40 Is AI a fad at Identiverse this year
07:11 The real cost of securing AI
08:00 Model provenance and indemnity
09:39 IAM for AI versus AI for IAM
10:18 Trusting agents to act without oversight
14:51 Assigning authority to the who and the what
16:13 The cruise booking example and who is on the hook
20:16 Companion agents, consent, and power of attorney
23:00 Does the identity industry own this problem
25:00 Relationship and intent as the real issue
28:03 Could an insurance market emerge for agentic AI
29:18 An access review scenario gone wrong
30:41 Small specialized language models for identity tasks
32:11 Favorite hallway conversations at Identiverse
36:05 Wrap up and words of wisdom on AI FOMO
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Sean O'Dell, Decoded, Identiverse 2026, continuous identity, transaction tokens, shared signals framework, agentic AI, AI security, model provenance, IAM, digital identity, identity and access management
#437 - Identiverse 2026 - Pam Dingle
Live from the IDAC booth at Identiverse 2026, Jeff and Jim sit down with Pam Dingle, Director of Identity Standards at Microsoft, to unpack agentic identity. Pam breaks down assistive versus autonomous agents …
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Live from the IDAC booth at Identiverse 2026, Jeff and Jim sit down with Pam Dingle, Director of Identity Standards at Microsoft, to unpack agentic identity. Pam breaks down assistive versus autonomous agents, walks through where standards like SPIFFE and OAuth hold up, and explains the difference between delegation, impersonation, and partition. The conversation also covers credential discovery risk, shared signals and revocation, what enterprises should prioritize now, and the value of hallway conversations at Identiverse.
Connect with Pam: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pameladingle/
OAuth Actor Profile for Delegation: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mcguinness-oauth-actor-profile-00.html
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro and Identiverse 2026 vibes
04:01 Defining agentic identity
07:06 Has the earth really shifted
11:38 An old problem thats been bejeweled
15:13 From Nulli Secundus to Microsoft
16:00 How standards are holding up
19:27 Client ID metadata and just in time trust
21:41 Shared signals and the revocation problem
24:43 Deploying agentic identity at scale
28:11 Registries at scale
29:04 Delegation authorization and attenuation
32:33 Delegation vs impersonation vs partition
36:03 The one thing you can fix right now
37:56 Favorite hallway conversation
42:29 The solar system of hallway conversations
45:51 Remembering Kim Cameron
48:00 New voices to watch
52:08 Wrap up and thank you
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Pam Dingle, Pamela Dingle, Microsoft, Identiverse 2026, agentic identity, agentic AI, non-human identity, delegation, impersonation, SPIFFE, OAuth, identity standards, IAM, digital identity, workload identity
#436 - Sponsor Spotlight - P0 Security
In this Sponsor Spotlight episode, Jeff Steadman flies solo and welcomes Greg Danyi, co-founder and CTO of P0 Security, to the show. Greg walks through P0's approach to runtime access control, covering how it …
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In this Sponsor Spotlight episode, Jeff Steadman flies solo and welcomes Greg Danyi, co-founder and CTO of P0 Security, to the show. Greg walks through P0's approach to runtime access control, covering how it applies to humans, non-human identities, and AI agents alike. The conversation digs into the difference between authentication and authorization, why zero standing privilege is more achievable now than before agentic adoption took hold, and how dynamic, evidence-based policies can reduce reliance on manual approvals. Greg also shares real examples, including row-level access control for data lakes and a CRM mishap that shows how easily agents can misinterpret intent. The episode closes with a look at where enterprise AI agent governance may be headed over the next few years, plus a lighter conversation about explaining IAM to a 10-year-old. This episode is made possible through the generous support of P0 Security as part of IDAC's nonprofit Sponsor Spotlight series. Learn more at p0.dev/idac.
Connect with Greg (Gergely): https://www.linkedin.com/in/gergely-danyi/
Learn more about P0: https://p0.dev/idac/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 - Introduction and sponsor acknowledgment
01:13 - Greg Danyi's path into IAM
02:18 - What P0 Security solves for
03:21 - Where P0 fits versus PAM and IGA
04:46 - Agentic identity as a driver of adoption
05:27 - MCP servers and unpredictable agent actions
07:10 - Defining runtime access control
08:50 - How authentication and authorization work together
09:07 - Standing access versus expressed intent
10:16 - Zero standing privilege in practice
12:27 - Agentic identity as a distinct identity class
19:24 - Automated evidence for approvals
20:42 - Walking through a support agent example
22:13 - Row-level access control for data lakes
23:35 - Dynamic roles explained
29:55 - CRUD risks and underestimated concerns
31:32 - Human intent and giving agents clear direction
36:32 - Where enterprise AI agent governance is headed
39:36 - Advice for CIOs and CISOs getting started
41:15 - Explaining IAM to a 10-year-old
42:29 - Board games, dice, and calculated risk
44:00 - Closing thoughts and where to learn more
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Greg Danyi, P0 Security, runtime access control, agentic identity, zero standing privilege, non-human identity, authentication, authorization, IAM podcast
#435 - Majority Rules: IDAC Live at Identiverse 2026
Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman took the Identity at the Center podcast live at Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas for a crowd-sourced game show called Majority Rules. Identity professionals competed in real time …
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Jim McDonald and Jeff Steadman took the Identity at the Center podcast live at Identiverse 2026 in Las Vegas for a crowd-sourced game show called Majority Rules. Identity professionals competed in real time, picking answers to IAM and conference questions in a race to predict the majority. With a prize pool of over $5,000 for the top ten scorers, the stakes were high and the honesty was brutal. The episode also marks a milestone: IDAC hitting two million downloads. Thanks to Shirley Han and the CyberRisk Alliance team, and to sponsors Hyper, Red Block, SlashId, Rubrik, Stratacity, FusionAuth, Nexus, CrowdStrike, Hush Security, PlainId, RSM, and CyberRisk Alliance.
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
0:00 Introduction and Two Million Downloads Milestone
1:00 Sponsor and Event Team Recognition
3:00 How to Play Majority Rules
4:00 Warm-Up Round Begins
6:00 Battle Royale Mode Explained
8:30 Decentralized Identity and the LDAP Reality
10:30 Las Vegas Evening Entertainment
11:30 Top Identity Trends at Identiverse 2026
12:30 Access Certification and the 4:55 PM Click
13:30 Classic Vegas and Expo Hall Favorites
14:50 PAM Strategies and the Post-it Note
16:00 Conference Navigation and Footwear Survival
18:00 Identity Log Monitoring Chaos
19:30 Hallway Track Conversations
20:30 Cloud Entitlements and Everyone Gets Root
21:00 Sleep Habits at a Security Conference
22:00 Business Cards in 2026
23:00 Legacy App Strategy and Thoughts and Prayers
24:45 Las Vegas Dining Preferences
25:30 Winners Announced and Closing
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Identiverse, Identiverse 2026, Majority Rules, live event, game show, IAM, identity and access management, decentralized identity, LDAP, SSO, PAM, privileged access management, cloud entitlements, ISPM, access certification, Las Vegas, cybersecurity, conference
#434 - Identiverse 2026 - IdentiBeer Las Vegas
Recorded the night before Identiverse 2026 at BrewDog in Las Vegas, Jeff hosts a roundtable of IdentiBeer chapter leaders and community members from around the world. Espen Bago (Oslo), Marco Venuti (Rome and …
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Recorded the night before Identiverse 2026 at BrewDog in Las Vegas, Jeff hosts a roundtable of IdentiBeer chapter leaders and community members from around the world. Espen Bago (Oslo), Marco Venuti (Rome and Milan), Heiko Klarl (Munich), Craig Ramsay (Nashville), Tina Srivastava and Elie Azerad (San Francisco), Bertrand Carlier (Paris, in planning), Ole Shved (Detroit, forming), and Roland Baum (Frankfurt) share what makes IdentiBeer work, how chapters get started, and what draws people in. First-time Identiverse attendee Varshith Reddy joins mid-conversation for some live conference tips. The group celebrates going 35 minutes without mentioning AI and closes with everyone's drink of choice and an impromptu MFA rap.
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
0:00 Welcome and intro
0:41 What is IdentiBeer? Espen Bago explains
2:31 Marco Venuti and the Italian chapters
5:07 Could there be an IdentiBeer conference?
6:03 Heiko Klarl and IdentiBeer Munich
7:09 Craig Ramsay and the new Nashville chapter
9:53 Beer is just clickbait and vendor neutrality
12:45 Tina Srivastava and the IDPro Slack connection
13:18 Ole Shved and the future Detroit chapter
14:14 Advice for new chapter organizers
16:33 Keep the momentum: do another one soon
17:01 What draws people to IdentiBeer?
17:37 The IdentiBeer charter and inclusivity
18:20 Elie Azerad and the San Francisco chapter
21:08 Tina and the South Bay satellite idea
25:50 Bertrand Carlier and plans for Paris
29:31 Varshith Reddy: tips for first-time Identiverse attendees
34:12 35 minutes without saying AI
36:20 Roland Baum and the Frankfurt Identivier
39:06 What is your drink of choice?
40:48 Tina's MFA rap and closing thoughts
Keywords: IdentiBeer, Identiverse 2026, IAM community, Identity and Access Management, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Espen Bago, Marco Venuti, Heiko Klarl, Craig Ramsay, Tina Srivastava, Elie Azerad, Bertrand Carlier, Ole Shved, Roland Baum, Varshith Reddy, IDPro, community building, vendor neutral, IAM networking, Las Vegas
#433 - Sponsor Spotlight - FusionAuth
Jim McDonald sits down with Dan Moore, Senior Director of CIAM Strategy and Identity Standards at FusionAuth, for an in-depth conversation on customer identity and access management. Dan explains how FusionAuth …
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Jim McDonald sits down with Dan Moore, Senior Director of CIAM Strategy and Identity Standards at FusionAuth, for an in-depth conversation on customer identity and access management. Dan explains how FusionAuth views authentication as the front door to any application and why control, deployment flexibility, and developer ownership are central to their approach. The discussion covers progressive registration, friction vs. usability, customization options, identity standards, the build vs. buy debate, risk-based MFA, and how AI agents will shape the future of customer identity. This episode and others is made possible with support from FusionAuth. Learn more at fusionauth.io/idac.
Connect with Dan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mooreds/
Learn more about FusionAuth: https://fusionauth.io/idac
Blog article mentioned: https://bobdahacker.com/blog/fifa-hack
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:18 What is FusionAuth?
00:03:15 Dan's identity origin story
00:04:19 Developer focus and ethos
00:06:54 Authentication as the front door
00:10:00 Balancing friction and usability
00:15:24 Customization in CIAM
00:18:10 What sets FusionAuth apart
00:20:33 FusionAuth's customer sweet spot
00:25:48 Deployment flexibility and the control spectrum
00:30:19 Common challenges in CIAM
00:33:06 Build vs. buy for authentication
00:36:00 Omni-channel authentication
00:40:27 Why identity standards matter
00:42:07 Risk-based MFA and intelligent challenges
00:45:00 AI agents and the future of CIAM
00:49:23 Closing thoughts
00:51:35 Vacation roundup
Keywords: IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, Dan Moore, FusionAuth, CIAM, customer identity, authentication, access management, IAM, identity standards, MFA, risk-based authentication, progressive registration, OAuth, OIDC, SAML, AI agents, deployment flexibility, build vs buy, Sponsor Spotlight
#432 - IdentiBeer Rome and 3 Courses of IAM with Alessandro Piscopo
Jim McDonald takes the Identity at the Center podcast on the road to Rome, Italy, for a special two-part episode. The first segment is an IdentiBeer roundup where Jim gathers quick-fire takes from practitioners …
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Jim McDonald takes the Identity at the Center podcast on the road to Rome, Italy, for a special two-part episode. The first segment is an IdentiBeer roundup where Jim gathers quick-fire takes from practitioners in the Italian IAM community, including Andrea Rossi and Alessandro Piscopo of IAMONES and Marco Venuti of Thales on the biggest trends shaping identity today. The second segment is a three-course meal where Jim sits down with Alessandro Piscopo, Head of AI and Co-founder at IAMONES, to discuss AI and identity over food and wine.
Across a seafood starter, scialatielli alla pescatora, and tiramisu, the conversation covers the history of AI in identity, why LLMs represent a revolution rather than an evolution, the AI-first product philosophy versus retrofitting AI onto legacy systems, compute and architecture constraints facing large language models, and what life looks like for the IAM practitioner in 2030. Alessandro envisions an identity equivalent of Claude Code, a specialized AI tool that democratizes identity expertise the way coding assistants have transformed software development.
0:00 Intro and IdentiBeer Rome roundup
7:01 Alessandro on AI for IAM vs. IAM for AI
12:00 Three-course dinner begins - Course 1: Seafood starter
14:09 History of AI in identity, from ML models to LLMs
17:51 Course 2: Scialatielli alla pescatora and Falanghina wine
19:56 AI-first products vs. AI layered onto legacy systems
22:00 Transition period and the new world of identity
24:04 The ChatGPT moment vs. the iPhone moment
27:05 Compute constraints, energy costs, and architecture breakthroughs
30:46 Smaller models and cost-efficiency tradeoffs
32:35 Course 3: Tiramisu, baba, and espresso
33:00 Life as an IAM practitioner in 2030
35:19 Claude Code for IAM and democratizing identity tools
37:24 App store ecosystem analogy for AI platforms
43:07 Closing thoughts
Keywords: IAM, identity and access management, AI for IAM, IAM for AI, agentic AI, non-human identity, IGA, LLMs, large language models, AI-first, machine learning, Alessandro Piscopo, IAMONES, Jim McDonald, Jeff Steadman, Identity at the Center, IDAC, IdentiBeer, Rome, Italy, Marco Venuti, Thales, Andrea Rossi, agentic identity, transformer architecture, compute efficiency, identity practitioner 2030, Claude Code for IAM, identity democratization, Identiverse, European Identity Conference
#431 - Tectonic Shifts in Identity Security with Martin Kuppinger
Recorded live at EIC 2026 in Berlin, Jeff and Jim sit down with Martin Kuppinger, founder and distinguished analyst at KuppingerCole. They dig into the tectonic shifts AI is bringing to identity and security …
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Recorded live at EIC 2026 in Berlin, Jeff and Jim sit down with Martin Kuppinger, founder and distinguished analyst at KuppingerCole. They dig into the tectonic shifts AI is bringing to identity and security, the AI security fabric framework, why decentralized identity thinking may be essential for governing the agentic mesh, the ongoing debate over NHI terminology, what organizations can do tactically today, and what concerns Martin most about where the industry is heading by 2030.
Connect with Martin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinkuppinger/
Connect with us on LinkedIn:
Jim McDonald: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmcdonaldpmp/
Jeff Steadman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffsteadman/
Visit the show on the web at http://idacpodcast.com
00:00 Introduction and Welcome
00:50 What a Distinguished Analyst Does
01:37 EIC 2026: Thought Leadership and Best Practice
04:17 Agentic AI: Non-Directed, Non-Deterministic Identity
08:22 Speed of Change: Tactical Now, Strategic Later
12:34 The AI Security Fabric: Five Capability Blocks
15:10 Identity Fabric Origins and Market Growth
18:27 Discovery as the Foundation for Governance
19:48 Governance, Explainability, and Organizational Gaps
22:00 Agent Lineage and Rethinking NHI Terminology
23:50 LLMs vs. Small Language Models
26:23 Is Agentic Identity a Genuinely New Problem?
32:29 Humanoid Robots and the Limits of AI Reasoning
37:05 Decentralized Identity, Trust Frameworks, and Signals
41:07 Identity Verification and Consent for Agents
48:42 What Concerns Martin About the Future of Identity
50:34 Favorite AI Application: Assisted Driving
55:00 Self-Driving Cars, Data, and Personal Privacy
Keywords: Martin Kuppinger, KuppingerCole, EIC 2026, EIC Berlin, agentic AI, AI security fabric, identity fabric, decentralized identity, AI governance, non-human identity, autonomous identity, dependent identity, agent lineage, explainability, MCP server, small language models, verifiable credentials, risk-based authorization, OT security, IDAC, Identity at the Center, Jeff Steadman, Jim McDonald, IAM, identity security
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