Does Elizabeth Holmes Believe Herself?

Josh Gondelman talks with Caller Emma about the three-hour Elizabeth Holmes documentary that broke her brain, Nathan Fielder's exquisitely uncomfortable genius, and whether anyone can truly know a person who keeps remaking herself.

What You'll Hear:

A Movie You Can't Stop Chewing On: Josh opens with his own recent obsession, a divisive Tom Cruise film, and invites listeners to call in with the songs, shows, and movies they can't shake.

Elizabeth Holmes 101, Told by a True Crime Devotee: Caller Emma walks Josh through the Theranos saga for anyone who missed it, from the one-drop blood test promise to the FedEx'd samples that gave the whole scheme away.

Two Famous Fraud Ladies, One Prison Friendship: The conversation turns to an unlikely real-life friendship between RHOSLC star Jen Shah and Elizabeth Holmes, and then to the real question haunting Emma: whether Holmes actually believes the story she's telling about herself?

CHAPTERS:

00:00 Josh's new movie obsession

02:21 Welcome, Caller Emma!

04:04 Elizabeth Holmes 101, as told by a super fan

08:46 Two famous fraud ladies behind bars

10:57 Does she believe her own hype?

14:34 Nathan Fielder's brand of brilliant discomfort

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