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This week, we focus on Billy Evans, the breakout character of the documentary “You Can See Everything,” and his Theranos-esque new blood-testing start-up. Rob Copeland, a New York Times finance reporter, and Erin Griffith, a tech reporter, join Max Read to discuss what Evans is like when the cameras are off, whether his start-up is a real company and how Silicon Valley is reacting to the film. Then, we break down CoreWeave’s debt, a possible SpaceX-Tesla merger and Joel Kaplan’s Meta exit. Finally, a returning guest: John Carreyrou joins us to answer listener questions about Elizabeth Holmes.

Guests:

• Erin Griffith, a technology reporter at The New York Times
• Rob Copeland, a finance reporter at The New York Times
• John Carreyrou, an investigative reporter at The New York Times and author of “Bad Blood”

Additional Reading:

• Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Start-Up
• The Elizabeth Holmes Documentary, Through the Eyes of the Reporter Who Exposed Her
• Weak Links Start to Show in A.I. Borrowing
• SpaceX and Tesla Explore Merger to Create a De Facto Elon Inc.
• Meta’s Global Policy Chief to Leave After 15 Years

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This week, there’s a new blockbuster Elizabeth Holmes documentary out, and we’ve assembled an expert panel to discuss the movie and what Holmes means to the tech world of today. Max Read is joined by John Carreyrou, who, through his investigative reporting for The Wall Street Journal and his book “Bad Blood,” revealed the fraud at the heart of Theranos; Erin Griffith, a tech reporter who extensively covered Holmes’s trail; and Caitlin Roper, the New York Times executive producer who wrote the first-ever magazine piece about Holmes for Wired back in 2013.

We end with a rundown of what else is happening in tech news this week.

Panelists:

• Erin Griffith, a tech reporter for The New York Times.
• John Carreyrou, author of “Bad Blood: Secrets and Lies in a Silicon Valley Startup” and an investigative reporter for The New York Times’s business section.
• Caitlin Roper runs film, TV and books at The New York Times.

Additional Reading:

• ‘You Can See Everything’ Review: The Slippery Mind of Elizabeth Holmes
• Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Start-Up
• Elizabeth Holmes to Transfer to Halfway House in August 2027
• F.B.I. Arrests OpenAI Employee Accused of Planting Bug in Office

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Hosts Kevin Roose and Casey Newton explore stories from the wild frontier of tech.

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