School of War
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- 13 nov 2026
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In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war. Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines. Aaron MacLean is a former senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps. Visit our Substack for episode transcripts Follow along on Instagram
Episódios 363
Napoleon: The Great Micromanager, with Lord Andrew Roberts
Napoleon Bonaparte’s troops adored him. His generals, meanwhile, were another story. In his new book, Napoleon and His Marshals, Lord Andrew Roberts details the lives of the 26 marshals who conquered Europe—and …
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Napoleon Bonaparte’s troops adored him. His generals, meanwhile, were another story. In his new book, Napoleon and His Marshals, Lord Andrew Roberts details the lives of the 26 marshals who conquered Europe—and the micromanaging boss who couldn’t stop undermining them. Roberts joins Aaron MacLean to explore the military genius, rivalries, and leadership failures that shaped Napoleon’s empire, before turning to the recent unrest in France, rising political extremism, and the country’s uncertain political future.
02:29 – The French Army Before Napoleon 04:17 – The French Revolution and Napoleon's Rise 02:29 – The French Army Before Napoleon
04:17 – The French Revolution and Napoleon's Rise
05:51 – The Wars Against Napoleon
07:30 – How Napoleon Revolutionized Warfare
11:03 – Meet Napoleon's Marshals
12:29 – Napoleon's Military Meritocracy
16:24 – Napoleon's Micromanagement Problem
19:24 – Berthier: Napoleon's Brilliant Chief of Staff
23:13 – Rivalries Among Napoleon's Generals
27:25 – The Marshal Who Turned Against Napoleon
31:01 – Napoleon's Greatest Leadership Lessons
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Is AI Destroying the Next Generation of Leaders?
Yuval Levin ranks AI among the most important political questions facing the country, one with “no left and right.” Just last week, the midterms saw voters push back against artificial intelligence in a series …
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Yuval Levin ranks AI among the most important political questions facing the country, one with “no left and right.” Just last week, the midterms saw voters push back against artificial intelligence in a series of referenda—but the question of its place in American life is far from settled. Today, Levin joins School of War to discuss what he learned during a recent visit to Anthropic, how the debate over AI defies traditional left-right political divisions, and how the technology threatens the development of the next generation of American leaders, including within the military.
02:05 AI and the Professions
03:47 What Is AGI?
07:50 Inside Anthropic
12:27 Can AI Improve Itself?
20:27 AI’s Limitations
24:34 AI and Creativity
28:11 The Threat to Excellence
31:32 AI and Military Leadership
35:23 The Crisis of Expertise
39:44 The Military’s Advantage
48:18 AI, Politics, and China
51:52 Take the Long Way
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Flying America’s Most Controversial Aircraft
Is it a plane or a helicopter? The MV-22 Osprey has features from both, but that’s not what makes it one of the most controversial aircraft in the American military. Its history of deadly crashes has earned it …
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Is it a plane or a helicopter? The MV-22 Osprey has features from both, but that’s not what makes it one of the most controversial aircraft in the American military. Its history of deadly crashes has earned it a reputation as a dangerous machine, but former Marine Corps pilot Bubba Scott takes a different view Today, Scott joins School of War to explain why he believes the Osprey is “unfairly maligned,” what makes it so revolutionary, why the Marine Corps depends on it, and what it takes to fly one of the most demanding aircraft in military aviation. From a terrifying near-collision to harrowing nighttime landings, Scott offers a rare look inside the cockpit—and the extraordinary skill, training, and leadership required to operate at the limits of modern military aviation.
04:11 – Becoming a Marine Osprey Pilot
09:05 – A Lesson in Marine Corps Toughness
12:54 – Why the Military Needed the Osprey
18:54 – Operation Eagle Claw and the Osprey's Mission
24:07 – Is the Osprey Really Dangerous?
27:07 – The Osprey's Safety Record
30:46 – What Is It Like to Fly an Osprey?
34:34 – The Challenges of Flying the Osprey
38:56 – A Near-Fatal Midair Collision
46:35 – America's Night-Flying Capabilities
50:18 – American Military Excellence
52:20 – Leadership Lessons From the Cockpit
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Israel’s Fight in the North
Reporting from northern Israel, Aaron sits down with two unidentified Israeli army officers and Druze community leader Tamir Murad to explore the threats facing the country’s northern frontier. From drones …
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Reporting from northern Israel, Aaron sits down with two unidentified Israeli army officers and Druze community leader Tamir Murad to explore the threats facing the country’s northern frontier. From drones changing the battlefield to the plight of Syria’s Druze, their conversations reveal how closely war touches everyday life. As one Israeli army officer puts it, “There’s no distance between the front line and home. Home is the front line.”
01:10 — Tamir Morad on Israel’s Druze
02:50 — Four generations of service
07:28 — October 7
11:02 — Hezbollah rockets and tunnels
13:55 — Majdal Shams and Druze identity
17:29 — Violence in Suwayda
25:06 — A Druze state?
36:28 — Israeli officers on the 1973 war
39:57 — Lessons from Ukraine
42:07 — Hezbollah’s drones
50:02 — AI on the battlefield
54:15 — Israel’s Syrian buffer zone
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Why Another Iran Strike Looks Inevitable
Will Iran cost Republicans the midterms? What happens when half of the GOP turns against Israel? Middle East expert Mike Doran returns to School of War for a wide-ranging discussion of these questions as the …
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Will Iran cost Republicans the midterms? What happens when half of the GOP turns against Israel? Middle East expert Mike Doran returns to School of War for a wide-ranging discussion of these questions as the midterms threaten to widen divisions on the American right over foreign policy. Taking aim at Tucker Carlson’s influence, Doran argues that the consequences of this divide reach far beyond Israel: “It sets us against ourselves, Americans against Americans, conservatives against conservatives.” He and Aaron MacLean explore the stakes of another escalation with Iran and when it might unfold, the future of America’s alliances, and what it all means for 2028.
03:59 Trump’s Next Move on Iran
11:29 Can Trump Force a Deal?
17:24 What Iran Really Wants
20:26 Is Renewed War Inevitable?
26:58 Targeting Iran’s Refineries
30:36 Trump, Putin, and Russian Oil
37:55 Israel and Turkey’s Rivalry
45:05 The Fight Over Syria
51:35 The Right Turns on Israel
53:19 The Debate With the NatCons
1:00:09 What Should Conservatives Defend?
1:10:56 Can America Find the Center?
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What Israel’s Election Is Really About, with Haviv Rettig Gur
“It feels like an election where the nature of the country, the future of this foundational ethos of solidarity, is at stake,” says Haviv Rettig Gur. The Free Press Middle East analyst and host of Ask Haviv …
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“It feels like an election where the nature of the country, the future of this foundational ethos of solidarity, is at stake,” says Haviv Rettig Gur. The Free Press Middle East analyst and host of Ask Haviv Anything joins Aaron MacLean in Jerusalem to explore the history behind the election’s deepest divisions. From Zionism’s origins as a rescue project to the military service that shapes its leaders, Gur explains the shared responsibility that built Israel—and why Israelis fear it is unraveling. What does Benjamin Netanyahu offer voters that his opponents don’t? And can a country united against its enemies agree on what it owes its own citizens?
02:05 What Is Zionism?
09:53 Herzl’s Warning
15:13 A Jewish Rescue Project
26:38 Visions of the Jewish State
30:24 Netanyahu’s Security Message
35:21 American Jews and Israel
43:32 Military Service and Political Power
47:41 The Foundations of Israeli Democracy
52:40 The Ultra-Orthodox Draft Fight
1:01:42 The Army and Israeli Identity
1:12:35 What’s at Stake in the Election?
1:21:23 Antisemitism in America
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Sweden’s Secret Army
Sweden joined NATO in 2024. What took them so long? Historian Johan Wennström, author of The Stay Behinds: Sweden’s Cold War Guardians, joins Aaron MacLean to uncover how Sweden secretly collaborated with NATO …
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Sweden joined NATO in 2024. What took them so long? Historian Johan Wennström, author of The Stay Behinds: Sweden’s Cold War Guardians, joins Aaron MacLean to uncover how Sweden secretly collaborated with NATO for decades while remaining publicly neutral for fear the Soviet Union would invade Finland if they did. With Russia threatening Europe again, Wennström discusses the history of Sweden’s balancing act, how it built an army of sleeper cells, and whether NATO membership risks giving countries a false sense of security.
03:13 The Soviet Threat
08:00 Was Sweden Neutral?
15:52 Sweden in World War II
20:10 Sweden’s Military Might
20:50 Building the Resistance
25:11 Legalizing a Secret Army
28:35 Soviet Invasion Plans
33:05 The Resistance Leaders
37:09 Is Europe Prepared?
41:09 Was NATO a Mistake?
42:41 The Case for Deterrence
44:29 Preparing for Defeat
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Can Ukraine Win Without America?
Russia is losing ground in eastern Ukraine and suffering mounting casualties. So why is the White House handing Vladimir Putin a lifeline? Retired Australian Army major general Mick Ryan, author of the …
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Russia is losing ground in eastern Ukraine and suffering mounting casualties. So why is the White House handing Vladimir Putin a lifeline? Retired Australian Army major general Mick Ryan, author of the newsletter Futura Doctrina, joins Aaron MacLean to examine the links between the Iran war and Ukraine, and explains why Ukraine’s battlefield successes aren’t translating into political advantage. Putin’s best hope, Ryan argues, is getting Donald Trump on his side: “He’s tried everything else and it hasn’t worked.” Could Washington give Putin what his army can’t?
03:07 Ukraine and Iran
05:58 Putin’s American Lifeline
08:04 Rising Diesel Prices
11:22 Ukraine’s Starlink Dependence
13:30 Satellite Speed Limits
18:00 Russia’s Jet-Powered Drones
19:40 Ukraine Without America
22:34 Stalled Peace Talks
25:39 Economic Warfare Against Iran
31:08 Ukraine’s Counteroffensive
36:40 Adapting on the Battlefield
39:14 China’s Lessons From War
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The Making of Xi Jinping
During the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese Communist Party purged Xi Jinping’s father and subjected him to 16 years of persecution and imprisonment—so how did the current president of China emerge more devoted …
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During the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese Communist Party purged Xi Jinping’s father and subjected him to 16 years of persecution and imprisonment—so how did the current president of China emerge more devoted to the party than ever? “It’s like a comic book villain origin story,” says Aaron MacLean. Today, Joseph Torigian, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and author of The Party’s Interests Come First: The Life of Xi Zhongxun, Father of Xi Jinping, joins School of War to explore the strange and dark story of China’s current president, the brutality of Mao’s China, and how it all shaped the power dynamics in Beijing today.
03:24 – The Xi Family and Communist Loyalty
08:14 – Why Xi Jinping Never Abandoned the Party
10:05 – China's Revolutionary Origins
13:23 – The Books That Shaped Xi Jinping
18:34 – Why China Embraced Communism
22:13 – Xi Zhongxun's Rise and Near-Execution
29:21 – Mao's Loyalty Test
35:30 – The Great Leap Forward and Famine
45:14 – Xi Jinping's Brutal Childhood
47:38 – His Father's 16 Years of Persecution
52:11 – Mao and the Cultural Revolution
59:17 – The Xi Family's Tragedy
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When, Not If: The Baltics Prepare for War
In the Baltics, war with Russia is no abstraction. Putin could take Lithuania’s capital if he achieved surprise, the nation’s army commander told Aaron MacLean. This week, Aaron travels through Lithuania and …
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In the Baltics, war with Russia is no abstraction. Putin could take Lithuania’s capital if he achieved surprise, the nation’s army commander told Aaron MacLean. This week, Aaron travels through Lithuania and Latvia to speak with Brigadier General Nerijus Stankevičius, Lithuanian defense Minister Robertas Kaunas, and Latvian foreign minister Baiba Braže about why Lithuania is amending its constitution to allow weapons of mass destruction on its soil, what schoolchildren are learning in their war-preparedness exercises, and what each country is doing now to make sure they’re ready if war comes.
02:58 — Brig. Gen. Nerijus Stankevičius
04:25 — Russia Could Take Vilnius
06:03 — How Lithuania Would Fight
09:58 — “Never Again”
14:14 — Robertas Kaunas, Lithuania’s Defense Strategy
17:28 — Drones, AI & the Eastern Flank
22:31 — Nuclear Deterrence
23:58 — Preparing the Whole Country
29:16 — A Message to Putin
31:29 — Baiba Braže, Latvia on the Front Line
36:12 — Drones Over Latvia
37:28 — Joining Latvia’s National Guard
40:30 — Russia’s “Sub-Conventional” War
48:46 — What If Russia Wins in Ukraine?
55:54 — Can Russia Be Pressured Into Peace?
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Rebuilding America’s War Machine
America is running low on munitions, its shipyards can’t keep pace, and the materials its weapons depend on too often run through China. Michael Cadenazzi is the Pentagon official charged with turning that …
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America is running low on munitions, its shipyards can’t keep pace, and the materials its weapons depend on too often run through China. Michael Cadenazzi is the Pentagon official charged with turning that around, putting billions of dollars behind the factories, materials, and supply chains that make America’s military power possible. He joins School of War to explain how the Pentagon plans to ramp up weapons production, attract private investment, and break decades of bad habits in how the Pentagon does business. Cadenazzi is confident America can still mobilize its industrial might for a major war, but he warns that waiting until the shooting starts would be “way more expensive in blood and treasure.” The race to rearm is on, and the question is whether America can win it before the next great-power war begins.
03:40 – America's Industrial Decline
06:15 – Dependence on China
09:12 – Pentagon Spending
12:40 – Rare Earth Production
16:59 – Defense Supply Chains
20:41 – Weapons Manufacturing
23:26 – High-End Weapons vs. Mass
28:01 – Blood and Treasure
31:56 – Private Investment
34:58 – Outproducing China
41:29 – Pentagon Equity Stakes
45:00 – Managing Investments
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What Happened Inside Russia’s Plague Lab?
A young researcher in Siberia has died under mysterious circumstances, raising questions about a potential lab leak. Russia won’t say how it happened. Marshall Billingslea, former Special Presidential Envoy for …
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A young researcher in Siberia has died under mysterious circumstances, raising questions about a potential lab leak. Russia won’t say how it happened. Marshall Billingslea, former Special Presidential Envoy for Arms Control, says Moscow has scrubbed news reports, had officials walk back talk of an outbreak, and kept the World Health Organization in the dark. He joins School of War to fill in what the Kremlin won’t, taking us inside Russia’s expanding bioweapons program and the institute at the heart of the mystery, which defectors say ran a covert effort to weaponize the disease and make it resistant to antibiotics. He also explains how Moscow thinks about using these weapons, how China is building a program of its own, and why the most frightening of them pose a risk even nuclear weapons don’t.
2:32 — Mystery at a Russian Plague Lab
5:29 — Russia’s Bioweapons Program
7:14 — Weaponizing Plague
10:39 — How Russia Would Use Bioweapons
13:01 — Smallpox and Ebola
15:07 — Controlling the Spread
16:40 — “Your Vaccines Wouldn’t Have Worked”
18:20 — A Soviet Bioweapons Defector
20:30 — Why Bioweapons Bans Are Hard to Verify
24:58 — Irkutsk and Wuhan
29:48 — Another Pandemic?
32:45 — China and North Korea
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Michael Oren: October 7 and the Cost of Defending Israel
Three years after October 7, the deadliest terror attack in Israeli history looms large over the Jewish state’s upcoming election. Former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren says whomever takes the helm …
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Three years after October 7, the deadliest terror attack in Israeli history looms large over the Jewish state’s upcoming election. Former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren says whomever takes the helm next is unlikely to “remove a single soldier from Lebanon, from Gaza, from Syria.” Today, Oren joins School of War to discuss Israel’s “80 percent” consensus on national security, why he thinks Hezbollah “cannot be destroyed militarily,” and the deepening political divide between religious Zionists and ultra-Orthodox Jews over the Jewish state’s future.
3:33 How October 7 Changed Israel
8:54 The Ultra-Orthodox Draft Fight
13:52 Israel’s Election and the Draft
17:17 Why the Ultra-Orthodox Don’t Serve
19:17 Oren's Path to the IDF
24:45 How Israel Defeated Hezbollah
26:50 Israel’s New Security Consensus
29:58 Can Iran Survive the Blockade?
32:40 What Comes Next in Gaza?
34:52 Hunting the October 7 Terrorists
37:02 Why Michael Oren Chose Israel
41:11 What Happens if Iran’s Regime Falls?
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What the Dutch Empire Reveals About America Today
How do you fight a superpower you can’t afford to stop trading with? The Dutch faced that problem at the start of the 17th century in their war against Spain, and their answer was the Dutch West India Company …
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How do you fight a superpower you can’t afford to stop trading with? The Dutch faced that problem at the start of the 17th century in their war against Spain, and their answer was the Dutch West India Company, a business built to wage war. Alexander Bick, a historian who served on the National Security Council under Barack Obama and Joe Biden, joins School of War to discuss his new book, Minutes of Empire. He explains how the company helped secure Dutch independence and why the Dutch kept trading with Spain while fighting it, taxing certain exports to “plow that money back into the military,” and what that reveals about America’s tangled relationship with China. All of which raises a question about Donald Trump’s foreign policy: Is America reviving an older style of empire?
02:52 — The Rise of the Dutch Republic
06:25 — How Dutch Trading Companies Began
09:47 — Shareholder Profits vs. National Strategy
11:59 — Who Invested in the Company?
14:33 — Challenging Spain in the New World
19:19 — The Costs of Conquering Brazil
22:49 — Who Ran the West India Company?
31:58 — Business Failure, Strategic Success
39:36 — The Dutch Legacy in Britain
43:16 — America and Trading with the Enemy
49:13 — Biden and Trump: What Changed?
55:30 — Trump, Venezuelan Oil, and Empire
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How the Middle East Got So Screwed Up, with Simon Sebag Montefiore
“Let’s whisper it,” said historian Simon Sebag Montefiore. “The Trump blockade is working.” It can be hard to parse the state of play in the Middle East amid escalating rhetoric, but history gives us the …
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“Let’s whisper it,” said historian Simon Sebag Montefiore. “The Trump blockade is working.” It can be hard to parse the state of play in the Middle East amid escalating rhetoric, but history gives us the necessary perspective to call balls and strikes in the present day. Today, the author of The Cauldron: The Making of the Modern Middle East joins School of War to discuss the forces that created the modern Middle East, why he thinks Trump’s strategy in Iran is working, and the growing rivalry between Israel and Turkey. “There is a real danger that Erdoğan will talk himself into a war with Israel,” he warns.
05:22 — The Middle East Is Not Monochrome
09:49 — Four Eras of the Modern Middle East
11:45 — The Problem With Nation-States
18:30 — Why 1979 Changed the Middle East
25:22 — Can Iran’s Revolution Survive Regime Change?
34:28 — Iran, Hormuz, and the Nuclear Question
39:57 — Could Iran’s Regime Reach a Breaking Point?
44:42 — Why Iran’s Regime Is Built for War
50:46 — Trump, Soleimani, and the 12-Day War
52:28 — Can the Iran Blockade Work?
54:23 — Israel’s Post–October 7 Grand Strategy
1:04:56 — Israel, Turkey, and Erdoğan’s Neo-Ottoman Ambitions
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America’s Aging Shipyards Are a Crisis Waiting to Happen
If America wants to defend Taiwan’s sovereignty, it needs to build more warships. China currently dominates global shipbuilding—producing vessels at a scale the United States can no longer match. Alex Wong, an …
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If America wants to defend Taiwan’s sovereignty, it needs to build more warships. China currently dominates global shipbuilding—producing vessels at a scale the United States can no longer match. Alex Wong, an executive at South Korean shipbuilding giant Hanwha Group and a former Trump administration national security adviser, thinks he has the solution. Today, Wong joins Aaron MacLean to discuss how the United States lost its shipbuilding capacity, how South Korean technology and investment could help revive American shipyards, and what it will take to rebuild the country’s naval industrial base. “America doesn’t have 20 years” to regain its maritime dominance, he warns.
02:23 — America’s Shipbuilding Crisis
05:44 — How America Lost Its Shipbuilding Industry
09:43 — Why Commercial Shipbuilding Matters to the Navy
12:28 — America vs. China’s Shipbuilding Capacity
13:54 — Rebuilding America’s Shipyards
16:16 — Robots and the Future of Shipbuilding
23:52 — Rebuilding America’s Shipbuilding Workforce
29:11 — Building Ships for Golden Dome
30:11 — Can America Build Enough Ships?
32:46 — Replacing Ships in Wartime
34:54 — Trump, Kim Jong Un, and North Korea
43:06 — Taiwan, Korea, and a Two-Front Crisis
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The Middle East After America?
Could Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey form a “Muslim NATO?” Pakistan has the nuclear arsenal, Saudi Arabia has the wealth, and Turkey has the NATO-trained military—“you put these three together and it …
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Could Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey form a “Muslim NATO?” Pakistan has the nuclear arsenal, Saudi Arabia has the wealth, and Turkey has the NATO-trained military—“you put these three together and it becomes a pretty formidable force,” says CBS News senior foreign correspondent Imtiaz Tyab. Today, he joins School of War to discuss whether the pact could really become an effective alliance, what the effort reveals about America’s changing role in the Middle East, and what five years of Taliban rule have meant for Afghanistan: “I’ve never seen the Taliban more confident,” he said.
02:14 — Reporting From Afghanistan
05:42 — The War in Afghanistan
11:29 — A More Confident Taliban
13:09 — Life Under Taliban Rule
16:13 — Afghanistan’s Secret Girls’ Schools
20:26 — Letters From Afghan Girls
25:30 — Afghanistan Under the Taliban
28:47 — A Girl’s Plea to the World
30:07 — The Pakistan-Saudi-Turkey Alliance
31:47 — A “Muslim NATO”?
40:33 — The Abraham Accords
44:27 — Testing the New Defense Pact
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Why John Boyd Still Matters
John Boyd was one of the most influential military thinkers of the 20th century, and the intellectual godfather of the U.S. Marines’ military strategy. Today, as artificial intelligence continues to transform …
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John Boyd was one of the most influential military thinkers of the 20th century, and the intellectual godfather of the U.S. Marines’ military strategy. Today, as artificial intelligence continues to transform battlefields in Ukraine and the Middle East, author and retired Marine officer Ian Brown argues that Boyd’s ideas are more relevant than ever. Today, Brown joins Aaron MacLean to discuss how Ukraine is harnessing Boyd’s concept of narrative warfare, what Boyd can teach us about conflict in the age of AI, drones, and precision strikes, and his new book co-authored with Frans P. B. Osinga, Snowmobiles and Grand Ideals.
2:20 Who Was John Boyd?
7:25 What Boyd Learned From Dogfighting
15:37 From Air Combat to the OODA Loop
23:49 Is the OODA Loop Really About Speed?
29:33 What Do Blitzkrieg and Insurgency Have in Common?
36:44 Surfaces and Gaps
41:25 Why Did the Marine Corps Embrace Boyd?
48:25 The Marine Corps’ Warfighting Doctrine
50:25 Does Modern Warfare Challenge Boyd?
53:18 Information as a Weapon
53:53 Boyd’s Ideas Meet Drone Warfare
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What War Teaches Us—If We Survive It
People think retired Army Major John Spencer lost part of his ear in combat. He didn’t; he lost it in a fight behind a bar that cost him his spot in the Army Rangers. Spencer went on to serve repeatedly in …
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People think retired Army Major John Spencer lost part of his ear in combat. He didn’t; he lost it in a fight behind a bar that cost him his spot in the Army Rangers. Spencer went on to serve repeatedly in combat and become one of the country’s leading experts on urban warfare. He joins Aaron MacLean to discuss his origin story and other anecdotes from his new book, Twenty Times I Almost Died, as well as why he thinks the U.S. “is clearly winning” the war in Iran.
3:30 War With Iran 9:43 Battle of Hormuz 10:42 Wartime Stockpiles 12:32 The Stakes of Failure 15:34 Losing His Ear 23:34 Losing the Rangers 25:51 Resilience 28:58 Invading Iraq 33:59 Common Sense in Combat 39:08 The IED Trap 44:25 Battle of Marjah 51:01 Gangs of Baghdad
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‘We Are Going to War’: H.R. McMaster Remembers 9/11
Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster was on the phone with the Pentagon when the plane struck the building on September 11, 2001. “I thought, Okay, we are going to war,” he recalls. Twenty-five years after 9/11 …
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Lieutenant General H.R. McMaster was on the phone with the Pentagon when the plane struck the building on September 11, 2001. “I thought, Okay, we are going to war,” he recalls. Twenty-five years after 9/11, McMaster joins Aaron MacLean to discuss the wars that followed. Drawing on his experience as a wartime commander and national security adviser, McMaster explains why he considers Afghanistan a self-defeat, how American withdrawal helped enable the rise of ISIS in Iraq, and why he thinks the latest Iran ceasefire was “a big mistake.”
4:39 McMaster on 9/11
7:27 Adapting to Iraq
12:33 Lessons From Iraq
15:13 Counterinsurgency’s Legacy
21:19 The Post-9/11 Wars
23:23 Afghanistan’s “Self-Defeat”
25:07 When America Leaves
29:53 Sustaining Afghanistan
32:14 Defending the Afghan Mission
35:37 The Axis of Aggressors
44:41 Trump’s Messaging About the War
49:07 Politics in the Military
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Ten-Minute Warning: The Hypersonic Threat
A Chinese hypersonic missile targeting either U.S. coast would leave room for “about 10 minutes of warning time.” Zachary Krevor, CEO of Stratolaunch, is building vehicles to help the Pentagon learn to detect …
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A Chinese hypersonic missile targeting either U.S. coast would leave room for “about 10 minutes of warning time.” Zachary Krevor, CEO of Stratolaunch, is building vehicles to help the Pentagon learn to detect, track, and intercept this threat. Today, Krevor joins School of War to explain how China and Russia have outpaced the U.S. in hypersonic weapons testing, why AI-enabled missile “swarms” may be on the horizon, and what it will take for America to defend itself against them.
2:32 What Makes a Weapon Hypersonic?
4:47 The Real-Life Top Gun: Maverick
6:14 From Model Airplanes to Hypersonics
9:09 Why America Stopped Investing in Hypersonics
10:55 Two Types of Hypersonic Weapons
14:09 Glide Bodies vs. Cruise Missiles
15:44 Surviving the Heat of Mach 5
20:20 Testing America’s Hypersonic Technology
23:20 China and Russia’s Hypersonic Advantage
25:24 How to Stop a Hypersonic Missile
29:09 The Coming Age of Hypersonic Swarms
40:38 Can Golden Dome Stop Hypersonic Weapons?
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What to Expect When You’re Expecting Great Power Conflict
When it comes to world superpowers, Cambridge historian Brendan Simms argues there are only four that matter—and two of them are fading. Today, Simms joins Aaron MacLean to argue that Britain still belongs …
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When it comes to world superpowers, Cambridge historian Brendan Simms argues there are only four that matter—and two of them are fading. Today, Simms joins Aaron MacLean to argue that Britain still belongs among the world’s leading powers; why its place among them is “by no means guaranteed”; and why Hitler is no longer the absolute evil against which people define themselves.
4:08 The Four R’s of Great Power
4:29 Defining Great Power
8:09 Iran’s Regional Power
11:44 The Great Powers Return
15:39 The Cold War
17:44 Europe Wakes Up
21:45 American Unipolarity Ends
25:16 Britain’s Great-Power Claim
35:47 The New World Order
38:26 Realism’s Blind Spots
42:07 Losing Postwar Optimism
45:53 A “Post-Hitler World”
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Shot Down over Serbia: General Goldfein’s Incredible Story
The story of Air Force General David Goldfein, who miraculously survived after his plane was shot down over Serbia in 1999, has since become military legend. Today, he joins School of War to recount the …
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The story of Air Force General David Goldfein, who miraculously survived after his plane was shot down over Serbia in 1999, has since become military legend. Today, he joins School of War to recount the harrowing rescue mission that saved him, how he stayed alive behind enemy lines, and the lessons his remarkable career offers about leadership, airpower, and preparing America for the next war.
2:43 An Air Force Family
3:25 Rejected by the Air Force Academy
6:39 Becoming an F-16 Pilot
8:12 What Makes a Great Fighter Pilot?
12:36 Information Overload in Combat
15:28 Goldfein’s First Combat Mission
19:57 Training for Confidence Under Fire
21:37 A Leadership Lesson from the Gulf War
24:32 Shot Down Over Serbia
28:51 Surviving Behind Enemy Lines
31:48 The Race to Rescue Goldfein
36:22 Guiding the Rescue Helicopter
44:50 The Impact on His Family
48:53 Witnessing the Attack on the Pentagon
51:19 Digitizing the American Military
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Our Foreign Policy Divide Began with the Korean War
More than 75 years after the Korean War, its lessons endure—and divisions over isolationism and American power continue to shape the discourse around modern global conflicts. Dane J. Cash, historian and author …
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More than 75 years after the Korean War, its lessons endure—and divisions over isolationism and American power continue to shape the discourse around modern global conflicts. Dane J. Cash, historian and author of The Forgotten Debate: The Korean War and the Roots of America's Ideological Divisions, joins School of War to explain how the left’s hawk-dove divide during the Korean War foreshadowed the neoconservative break from the liberal consensus during the 1970s and why the political battles of the early Cold War continue to splinter America today.
2:10 America Before the Korean War
3:08 The Debate Over Containment
4:15 Multilateralism vs. Unilateralism
5:29 Did Acheson Invite the War?
8:23 Why North Korea Attacked
8:55 Conservative Criticism of Truman
11:10 Liberal Divisions Over Korea
13:30 The Roots of Neoconservatism
17:14 Truman’s Lonely Middle Ground
19:51 The Right’s Foreign Policy Split
22:05 Taft, Eisenhower, and the GOP
22:58 MacArthur’s Moment
25:31 China Enters the War
30:37 Herbert Hoover’s Foreign Policy Revolt
33:51 Stalemate, POWs, and Ukraine Parallels
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Inside America’s Fight for Drone Dominance
The U.S. military needs more drones, and it needs to build them without Chinese parts. Today, Defense Innovation Unit Deputy Director Travis Metz joins School of War to discuss how America can build drones …
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The U.S. military needs more drones, and it needs to build them without Chinese parts. Today, Defense Innovation Unit Deputy Director Travis Metz joins School of War to discuss how America can build drones quickly, cheaply, and on U.S. soil; what America can learn from Ukraine’s drone war; and the Pentagon’s new billion-dollar effort to upgrade its aging military technology.
2:23 - Why America Is Behind on Drones
4:32 - The Drone Dominance Program
6:51 - Breaking Dependence on China
10:23 - The Different Types of Drones
13:34 - Ukraine’s Mid-Range Strike Revolution
16:00 - Cheap Drones at Long Range
18:47 - AI, Autonomy, and Electronic Warfare
21:47 - How Drone Dominance Works
24:33 - Building an American Drone Industry
33:55 - Lessons From Fort Benning
39:19 - Cheap and Expendable Drones
42:01 - Testing Drones for Different Missions
50:14 - The Next Phase of Drone Dominance
55:09 - How Many Drones Does America Need?
1:02:49 - Recreating Ukraine’s Innovation Cycle
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When Terrorists Become the Heroes to Young Americans
In prerevolutionary Russia, it was not uncommon for children to dream of becoming terrorists when they grew up. “It was a respected profession,” says Northwestern University professor Gary Saul Morson, who now …
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In prerevolutionary Russia, it was not uncommon for children to dream of becoming terrorists when they grew up. “It was a respected profession,” says Northwestern University professor Gary Saul Morson, who now sees troubling parallels between modern-day America and an era in Russia when terrorism became fashionable and radicals came to see violence as an expression of moral virtue. Today, Morson joins School of War to discuss what Fyodor Dostoyevsky understood about the terrorist mind, why good people can be persuaded to support terrible acts, and what America loses when it stops teaching the history of communism in schools. 3:09 America and Revolutionary Russia 3:47 The Rise of Modern Terrorism 4:38 When Terrorism Became a Respected Profession 6:10 Why Terrorists Had So Much Power 6:22 Why Russian Liberals Failed to Oppose Terrorism 7:26 The Danger of Celebrating Political Violence 9:36 Dostoevsky’s Radical Youth 11:31 Dostoevsky’s Arrest and Mock Execution 13:15 Understanding the Psychology of Revolutionaries 14:29 How Dostoevsky Predicted Totalitarianism 17:55 Why Communism Was Worse Than the Czars 20:11 Why Liberals Must Oppose Extremism 22:02 The Psychology of Left-Wing Totalitarianism 24:53 What Young People Don’t Know About Communism 28:16 How Good People Come to Support Evil 34:06 What Left and Right-Wing Extremists Have in Common 36:17 How Do We Fight Political Extremism?
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Senator McCormick Thinks That America’s Military Is Stuck in the Past
Pennsylvania senator Dave McCormick, a West Point graduate, Desert Storm veteran, and former CEO of Bridgewater Associates, is concerned about America’s wealth gap, which he says is approaching “a version of …
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Pennsylvania senator Dave McCormick, a West Point graduate, Desert Storm veteran, and former CEO of Bridgewater Associates, is concerned about America’s wealth gap, which he says is approaching “a version of capitalism I don’t think we want.” Today, McCormick joins School of War for a candid conversation about why the right needs a better answer to socialism, lessons in modern warfare from his recent closed-door meeting with Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky, and why he regrets his 2002 LA Times op-ed supporting the Iraq War: “I was completely wrong.”
02:01 — From Desert Storm to Princeton
05:05 — Nine Months Traveling the World
06:58 — The “End of History” and the Return of Socialism
08:00 — Can America Remain the World’s Superpower?
09:47 — Is the U.S. Military Stuck in the Past?
12:27 — What Ukraine Is Teaching America About Modern Warfare
13:41 — Rebuilding America’s Defense Industrial Base
17:15 — America’s AI Race With China
22:56 — How AI Will Transform American Jobs
24:03 — Wealth Inequality and the Future of Capitalism
25:56 — Why Socialism Is Appealing to Young Americans
30:52 — The Fight Over AI Data Centers
35:05 — Iran and the Future of the Middle East
41:17 — McCormick: “I Was Completely Wrong” About Iraq
44:08 — Balancing Iran With the Threat From China
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Tanks vs. Drones
Is the tank obsolete? As drones and precision strikes transform modern battlefields, some have predicted that armored vehicles may soon meet the fate of the cavalry charge. Today on School of War, Colonel Jose …
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Is the tank obsolete? As drones and precision strikes transform modern battlefields, some have predicted that armored vehicles may soon meet the fate of the cavalry charge. Today on School of War, Colonel Jose A. Reyes and Lieutenant Colonel David “Cam” Smith of the 1st Cavalry Division make the opposite case. Drawing on their experience operating and commanding tanks, they join Aaron MacLean to explain how armored vehicles are adapting to an increasingly drone-centric battlefield—and why the future of warfare may still belong to the cavalry.
3:18 — Reyes and Smith’s Backgrounds
8:40 — The History of Tanks and Maneuver
11:15 — Is the Tank Obsolete?
12:43 — “The Tank Is Alive and Well”
15:17 — Combined Arms at Every Echelon
20:12 — Transforming Armored Warfare
27:02 — The Battlefield Data Problem
30:01 — Ukrainian Innovation and Battlefield Data
33:25 — Electronic Warfare and FPV Drones
38:13 — Cheap Drones and the Cost of Defense
42:44 — Armor and the Problem of Attrition
43:49 — The Future of Unmanned Armor
46:51 — Unmanned Resupply and Medevac
48:25 — Casualty Evacuation in Ukraine
52:16 — What the Army Needs Next
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Boris Johnson on Why Europe and America Still Need Each Other
As war in Ukraine grinds towards its fifth year and tensions strain the transatlantic alliance, former British prime minister Boris Johnson says he remains convinced that the West has the power to prevail …
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As war in Ukraine grinds towards its fifth year and tensions strain the transatlantic alliance, former British prime minister Boris Johnson says he remains convinced that the West has the power to prevail: “Putin has got to lose.” Today, Johnson joins School of War to discuss how the West can bring the Russian president to the negotiating table, why Europe’s dream of “strategic autonomy” is a “sham, a snare and a delusion,” and why he believes predictions of American decline and Chinese dominance have it backward.
02:20 — When Boris Johnson Knew Putin Would Invade Ukraine
05:46 — Why Europe Didn’t Believe an Invasion Was Coming
09:12 — Did Boris Johnson Stop a Ukraine-Russia Peace Deal?
11:19 — Could Ukraine Trade Land for Peace?
13:43 — What Johnson Saw on Ukraine’s Front Lines
17:06 — How Economic Warfare Could Pressure Putin
18:00 — “Putin Has Got to Lose”
20:00 — The Growing Divide Between America and Europe
22:19 — Can Britain Still Defend Itself?
26:20 — JD Vance’s Critique of Europe
30:12 — Britain, Free Speech, and the Culture War
34:39 — Can Europe Achieve “Strategic Autonomy”?
39:07 — Why America Should Still Care About NATO
41:01 — The Fight Over the Chagos Islands and Diego Garcia
46:12 — Why Johnson Is Still Betting on America Over China
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Ted Cruz’s Plan to Bring Down Iran’s Regime—and Tucker Carlson
As the American right and left are increasingly pulled toward their ideological extremes, many politicians have chosen to appease the loudest voices in their coalitions even when those voices flirt with or …
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As the American right and left are increasingly pulled toward their ideological extremes, many politicians have chosen to appease the loudest voices in their coalitions even when those voices flirt with or openly embrace antisemitism. Senator Ted Cruz says he’s done playing nice. “If we do not defeat this poison,” he warns, “I believe it will consume the Republican Party just like it has consumed the Democratic Party.” Today, Cruz joins School of War to discuss his strategy for bringing down Iran’s regime, what Tucker Carlson’s splinter from the mainstream right means for conservative politics, and the battle he believes will define the future of the Republican Party.
02:08 - The State of Iran After the War
02:46 - Why Trump Struck Iran
04:13 - Why the MOU Was a Disaster
05:39 - The Post That Triggered an Iranian Bot Campaign
07:24 - Why Cruz Opposed the Iran Deal
08:57 - America’s Next Move in Iran
09:29 - Why the Goal Should Be Regime Collapse
12:01 - Cruz’s Strategy to Bring Down the Regime
13:08 - Why He Wants to Arm Iranian Protesters
15:22 - The Future of America’s Foreign Policy
16:27 - Is the Democratic Party Being Taken Over?
21:32 - The Rise of Antisemitism on the Right
22:50 - Why Tucker Carlson Is “Dangerous”
24:06 - “We Have to Defeat This Poison”
26:34 - Could Tucker Carlson Run for President?
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