Specialty Matcha Podcast
- Episódios
- 120
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- semanal
- Último episódio
- 6 nov 2026
Sobre o podcast
The Specialty Matcha Podcast is hosted by Ryan Ahn and Zongjun Li, cofounders of Sanko Matcha Products. We discuss the growth in popularity of matcha, innovation, and matcha science. We also interview thought leaders, tea merchants, and tea educators to discuss everything from sourcing, processing, blending, milling, storytelling, health claims, and much more. Sanko Matcha Products is a startup dedicated to using functional design to create contemporary matcha gear and the use of new technology to innovate the matcha milling process.
Episódios 120
Interview with James Green, KyuTeaCo
In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview James Green, founder of KyuTeaCo (Kyushu Tea Company), a Wisconsin-based brand working directly with eight small family farms across Kyushu. Topics …
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In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interview James Green, founder of KyuTeaCo (Kyushu Tea Company), a Wisconsin-based brand working directly with eight small family farms across Kyushu. Topics range from James’s host family in Fukuoka in 1998 and his JET year in rural Ukiha, to selecting farmers prefecture by prefecture, importing without distributors or exclusivity agreements, hojicha and genmaicha as the next step after matcha, and why “ceremonial” and “Uji” labeled on matcha tell you nothing.
https://kyuteaco.com/about
Zairai, matcha milling, and more with Pau from Tea Nursery
In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) welcome back Pau from Tea Nursey and who works as a tea farmer in Wazuka. Topics range from a Zairai summit in Shizuoka where genetic sampling is being used to …
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In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) welcome back Pau from Tea Nursey and who works as a tea farmer in Wazuka. Topics range from a Zairai summit in Shizuoka where genetic sampling is being used to trace which prefectures share seed stock and to test the legends about who planted tea where, to what it takes to bring a century-old abandoned Zairai field back into production, to the day to day complexity of operating ishi usu stone mills.
Interview with Zach Mangan, Kettl
Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) are in discussion with Zach Mangan, founder of Kettl, to discuss 16 years of sourcing Japanese tea. Topics range from how the art of gogumi (tea blending) works, drawing on Zach's …
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Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) are in discussion with Zach Mangan, founder of Kettl, to discuss 16 years of sourcing Japanese tea. Topics range from how the art of gogumi (tea blending) works, drawing on Zach's conversations with Masayoshi Koyama of Yamamasa Koyamaen, to the history of single estate matcha before the Meiji era, what "Uji" means on a label, and Zach's framework for approaching matcha sensory. They close on how tasting other loose life teas can further contextualize matcha, Zach's advice for new matcha brands, and his desert island tea.
https://kettl.co/products/miyabi-sencha?variant=45770145136890
Thailand's Advanced Matcha Market
In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) record from Bangkok the day after Thailand Coffee Fest 2026, where around 40 matcha brands exhibited and the Sanko Usu One had to be pitched from a poster because …
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In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) record from Bangkok the day after Thailand Coffee Fest 2026, where around 40 matcha brands exhibited and the Sanko Usu One had to be pitched from a poster because the mill was stuck in air freight. Topics range from how they explain fresh milling next to a traditional ishi-usu, to Ryan's price survey of over 350 matcha products on the show floor, to why they consider Thailand the most sophisticated matcha consumer market in the world.
Interview with Lorela Lohan, WanderlusTea
https://www.wanderlustea.com/In this episode, Ryan talks with Lorela Lohan, founder of WanderlusTea, a Brussels-based consultancy for specialty tea businesses in Europe. Lorela has spent five years advising …
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https://www.wanderlustea.com/
In this episode, Ryan talks with Lorela Lohan, founder of WanderlusTea, a Brussels-based consultancy for specialty tea businesses in Europe. Lorela has spent five years advising small and mid-sized tea brands on market research, margins, and positioning, has tasted over a hundred matchas in cafes from Amsterdam to Lisbon, and has published more than ninety interviews with tea founders on her site. Topics range from why matcha outran loose leaf tea in Europe, to what consumers actually think about origin and Chinese matcha, to why most new matcha brands look the same and what a new one could do differently.
Largest *Matcha Factory in the World
*If you consider matcha produced from shaded Chinese-grown tencha as matcha. In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) report from Tongren, Guizhou, after touring Guicha and driving another hour into the …
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*If you consider matcha produced from shaded Chinese-grown tencha as matcha.
In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) report from Tongren, Guizhou, after touring Guicha and driving another hour into the mountains to see the tea fields. Topics range from EU compliance testing and poverty alleviation economics, to high mountain matcha grown above 1,000 meters, to the made-up choreography of Song dynasty diancha and the 70:30 foam to liquid ratio their host insisted on.
They also get into why Japanese tencha equipment makers are the quiet winners of the matcha boom, and why the commodity end of the market is what feeds the specialty end.
Referenced in episode:
- 12,325 active tea farmers in Japan in 2020 (source: MAFF) https://www.maff.go.jp/kanto/seisan/engei/tokusan/attach/pdf/index-8.pdf
Interview with Maren Fichter, Tea Educator and Writer
In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk with Maren Fichter, a tea educator and writer whose Substack Tea & all the rest covers farming, heritage, tourism, and education in specialty tea. She has …
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In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) talk with Maren Fichter, a tea educator and writer whose Substack Tea & all the rest covers farming, heritage, tourism, and education in specialty tea. She has worked with tea in Japan, China, the US, and the UK, develops and teaches the Matcha Power unit on the UK Tea Academy's Tea Sommelier course, and is currently based in Wazuka, Kyoto, where she works at Obubu Tea Farms. Maren thinks about tea knowledge as a web, where a term only means something if there are other terms for it to hang on to, and much of the conversation follows that idea. Topics range from what the matcha boom has changed on the ground in Wazuka, to why single origin means something different in matcha than it does in wine or coffee, to pairing "ceremonial grade" with harvest season and shading duration rather than simply debunking it, and how those same details explain price.
https://teawithmaren.com/
https://beingtea.com/teacher-training/
Interview with Jeff Fuchs, Tea Explorer
https://www.jefffuchs.com/In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) are joined by Jeff Fuchs, author of The Ancient Tea Horse Road and the first documented westerner to trek both main trunks of the route …
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https://www.jefffuchs.com/
In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) are joined by Jeff Fuchs, author of The Ancient Tea Horse Road and the first documented westerner to trek both main trunks of the route, fresh off filming with tea producers in Kyoto Prefecture. Topics range from the precision of herring meal fertilization, to whether shaded teas are terroir driven at all, the hijacking of the word ceremonial, old trees and zairai in Japan versus gushu in Yunnan, and what happened when Jeff served a punchy gushu sheng puerh to a master matcha producer.
Opinion: Where is all the perspective?
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4uIvpxzwyVbQRTeRrnrlvW?si=KqUfE4DJQFmM0Tw6Cue9LgRyan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss the lack of unique perspective in contemporary matcha branding. Topics range from the emerging …
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https://open.spotify.com/episode/4uIvpxzwyVbQRTeRrnrlvW?si=KqUfE4DJQFmM0Tw6Cue9Lg
Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss the lack of unique perspective in contemporary matcha branding. Topics range from the emerging specialty matcha playbook, to chanoyu as a source of inspiration and a trap, the equipment and access barriers that limit experimentation, and why taking a risk in this industry is so expensive.
Chinese vs Japanese Narratives about Matcha
In this episode hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss the narrative differences between Chinese and Japanese made matcha. Sam has recently come back from Hubei and Henan, where he and a friend discovered …
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In this episode hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss the narrative differences between Chinese and Japanese made matcha. Sam has recently come back from Hubei and Henan, where he and a friend discovered Yabukita and Okumidori seedlings for sale. They learned a lot of interesting insights about how they got there and a 1990s Chinese-Japanese partnership to produce Japanese-style teas in rural China to aide in poverty alleviation.
Ryan was at the Paris Tea Festival, where he attended a talk from Katrin Rougeventre, author of L'Empire du thé: Le guide des thés de Chine (The Tea Empire: a guide to Chinese teas), on Chinese matcha. She presented a fresh framing about quality improvements in contemporary Chinese matcha, and that it's low-quality reputation is a very outdated characterization.
Opens with a tangent on the disappearance of Uji's old trees. More about "What happened to Uji's old trees?" soon on substack.
The Rise of Chinese Matcha
Recorded: Early May 2026In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) record live from Canton Fair in Guangzhou to map the Chinese matcha scene in 2026. They cover what changed in two years: "average quality" …
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Recorded: Early May 2026
In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) record live from Canton Fair in Guangzhou to map the Chinese matcha scene in 2026. They cover what changed in two years: "average quality" material that now rivals "average quality" Japanese tencha at 50 to 150 US dollars a kilo, the 8+ provinces producing tencha, Chinese cultivars like Longjing 43, Echa 10, and Fuding Da Bai, GuiCha confirming 4,000 tons of annual output nearly equal to all of Japan, and Ito En quietly sourcing Chinese tencha. Plus ball milling versus imported ishi usu, pesticide residue and EU export compliance, and why seven competing grading systems prove ceremonial grade means nothing.
Debate: What should Uji matcha be?
In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) close out the Uji matcha series with a debate: can Uji matcha actually be defined? The episode maps the full spectrum of definitions, from the least conservative, where …
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In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) close out the Uji matcha series with a debate: can Uji matcha actually be defined? The episode maps the full spectrum of definitions, from the least conservative, where Uji is a processing and blending culture and the leaf can come from neighboring Yamashiro towns or entirely different prefectures, to the most conservative, where true Uji matcha means tencha grown in Uji itself. They test the legal, cultural, historical, and genetic definitions against each other, from the ochashi blending houses and tencha auctions to the thought experiment of foreign producers acquiring abandoned Uji plots. Along the way: why yabukita grown in Uji is arguably less "Uji" than Uji native zairai cultivars like Asahi, Samidori, Uji Hikari, and Okunoyama, what was lost when seed-propagated zairai gave way to clonal cultivars 50 years ago, why Asahi is struggling in a changing climate, and what Chinese matcha marketed as "Uji grade" reveals about the name. Wherever you land between those two extremes, believing in Uji matcha means holding a contradiction in your mind.
Companion to the Uji-no-Matcha Substack series, with "What Happened to All of Uji's Old Tea Trees?" coming soon!
https://sankomatcha.substack.com/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth?r=3mxquk
"Japanese Tea" GI Granted & Startup Update
Ryan and Sam (Zongjun) discuss the recent GI status granted to Japanese tea, its implications for the industry, and the problems associated with the definition …
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Ryan and Sam (Zongjun) discuss the recent GI status granted to Japanese tea, its implications for the industry, and the problems associated with the definition.
https://www.maff.go.jp/j/shokusan/gi_act/register/0179/index.html
https://news.yahoo.co.jp/expert/articles/84493979276a5984cb6ec8c0e6b987dc1a33edd6
What is and was Uji Matcha?
In this editorial conversation, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interrogate the term "Uji matcha" and its tangled provenance: what it once meant, and how it has quietly changed over the years. Was Uji ever really a …
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In this editorial conversation, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) interrogate the term "Uji matcha" and its tangled provenance: what it once meant, and how it has quietly changed over the years. Was Uji ever really a single origin? What did the Edo-period ochashi monopoly actually control, and what broke when the shogunate fell? How does one trademark end up stretched across four prefectures? And how much Uji Matcha actually actually remains "single origin" when Uji produces only 37 tons of tencha a year?
Uji-no-Matcha Series:
Part 1: https://sankomatcha.substack.com/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth
Part 2: https://sankomatcha.substack.com/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth-2a5
Part 3: https://sankomatcha.substack.com/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth-108
Part 4: https://sankomatcha.substack.com/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth-ca7
Part 5: https://sankomatcha.substack.com/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth-2b3
Uji-no-Matcha: The inconvenient truth about Japan's most mythologized tea label
https://open.substack.com/pub/sankomatcha/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth?r=3mxquk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=webIt started with the disturbing realization that almost all Uji Matcha sold is not grown …
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https://open.substack.com/pub/sankomatcha/p/uji-no-matcha-the-inconvenient-truth?r=3mxquk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
It started with the disturbing realization that almost all Uji Matcha sold is not grown or processed in Uji at all. We kept hearing different definitions from different people: is it a city? Region? Blending style? Four-prefecture trademark?
When we crunched the math from official Japanese sources, the percentage of tencha that’s actually grown in Uji that can be sold as “Uji Matcha” or an “Uji Matcha Blend” is probably less than 1-2% of Uji Matcha sold.
This series details:
-Hard numbers / Production statistics
-Was “Uji Matcha” ever single origin?
-The context and creation of the “Uji Matcha” trademark
-Does terroir actually matter for matcha?
-Who the current system helps and hurtsNotes at Origin: Nishio, Aichi
Cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss their experience in Nishio, Aichi including learning about pest control techniques, unique tana-shelf shading structures of Aichi, differences between a Mikawa and Horii …
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Cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss their experience in Nishio, Aichi including learning about pest control techniques, unique tana-shelf shading structures of Aichi, differences between a Mikawa and Horii Style tencha oven, high efficiency "simple" or "net-type" tencha driers, and their experience milling tencha on Sanko Usu One.
Notes at Origin: Toyota, Aichi
Cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss their learning journey hand picking tea for 3 days in Toyota, Aichi. They discuss tencha processing (including a unique withering step this producer uses which produces an …
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Cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss their learning journey hand picking tea for 3 days in Toyota, Aichi. They discuss tencha processing (including a unique withering step this producer uses which produces an almost baozhong-like fragrance), ishi usu stone milling, and fertilizing practices.
Breaking: Japan Seeks GI for "Japanese Tea"
Ryan and Zongjun discuss the legal, cultural, and economic implications of geographic indications in the tea industry.https://open.substack.com/pub/sankomatcha/p/japan-filed-for-japanese-tea-gi-status?r=3mxquk&u …
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Ryan and Zongjun discuss the legal, cultural, and economic implications of geographic indications in the tea industry.
https://open.substack.com/pub/sankomatcha/p/japan-filed-for-japanese-tea-gi-status?r=3mxquk&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
100th Episode 🎊 : No Easy Answers
We are very proud to upload our 100th podcast and the end of season 4. https://sankomatcha.com/https://sankomatcha.substack.com/p/load-bearing-myths
Mythologizing in Matcha
Accompanying Substack Article: Load-Bearing Myths https://open.substack.com/pub/sankomatcha/p/load-bearing-myths?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=webHosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore the …
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Accompanying Substack Article: Load-Bearing Myths
https://open.substack.com/pub/sankomatcha/p/load-bearing-myths?utm_campaign=post-expanded-share&utm_medium=web
Hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore the mythologizing in matcha and tea, breaking down how demand, marketing, and cultural narratives shape perceptions of quality and origin. This episode uncovers the myths behind famous regions like Uji and the impact on consumers and producers.
Matcha companies we wish existed
Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore the evolving landscape of matcha, drawing parallels with the coffee industry, discussing innovation opportunities, and envisioning a future ecosystem that empowers farmers …
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Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) explore the evolving landscape of matcha, drawing parallels with the coffee industry, discussing innovation opportunities, and envisioning a future ecosystem that empowers farmers, enhances product quality, and expands market access.
Our Startup Updates
Hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss updates on their countertop matcha mill Sanko Usu One, the development of new community tools and projects, and their upcoming research article about unpacking the …
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Hosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) discuss updates on their countertop matcha mill Sanko Usu One, the development of new community tools and projects, and their upcoming research article about unpacking the inconvenient truth about Uji Matcha.
Interview with Tea Industry Veteran, Billy Dietz
In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) speak with Billy from BHD Consulting who shares his two-decade journey in the tea industry, focusing on matcha, branding, sourcing, and industry trends. Discover …
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In this episode, cohosts Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) speak with Billy from BHD Consulting who shares his two-decade journey in the tea industry, focusing on matcha, branding, sourcing, and industry trends. Discover insights on building a tea brand, navigating traditional and modern markets, and the future of matcha and specialty tea.
IG: @sirwillotleaf
https://www.bdhconsultants.com/about
https://steepinsights.substack.com/
Matcha Community PSA - Missing Person: Ben Barbante
Contact: https://www.instagram.com/julesreyes_/More Info: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWUiO-YgcpW/?igsh=MXI3a2tmY3M2Z3drZg==From Jules' Post:We have reason to believe that Ben made it to Bangkok, Thailand.Up …
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Contact: https://www.instagram.com/julesreyes_/
More Info: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWUiO-YgcpW/?igsh=MXI3a2tmY3M2Z3drZg==
From Jules' Post:
We have reason to believe that Ben made it to Bangkok, Thailand.
Up until now, we've been focusing our efforts on his last known location in Galicia, Spain and his direction of travel (Madrid). THANK YOU to everyone who helped us trace his movements there.
With this new information, we're shifting our focus to the next leg of his journey: Thailand (specifically Bangkok to Railay Beach).
Ben is an experienced and methodical world traveler of over 18 years. He's completed multiple Iron Mans, the Appalachian Trail, the Pacific Crest Trail, and cycled the Continental Divide Route. This is someone who knows how to navigate the world.
Our family has filed a missing persons report in the
U.S. and has contacted the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok.
We believe he took a flight from Madrid to Bangkok and are trying to verify his passport activity in Spain while working to escalate his case internationally.
O If you (or anyone you know) may have seen or been in contact with Ben in Bangkok or en route to Railay Beach between Oct 27 - Nov 4, 2025, please reach out.
Even small details could help.
Again, THANK YOU everyone helping share Ben's story.
We couldn't have gotten this far without you. We are eternally grateful for your support, prayers, and resources you are sharing with us.
If you happen to be based in Thailand, please consider sharing and reposting this post to reach more people local BangkokVisiting Shirakawa Uji with Koto Tea Space
Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) in conversation in Kyoto alongside khun Pop and Yusuke-san of Koto Tea Space in Bangkok after visiting Tsuji-san, one of Japan's most decorated matcha producers. The conversation goes …
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Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) in conversation in Kyoto alongside khun Pop and Yusuke-san of Koto Tea Space in Bangkok after visiting Tsuji-san, one of Japan's most decorated matcha producers. The conversation goes deep on fertilization science, soil mineral dynamics, and why Tsuji-san sends individual tea leaves to a lab at enormous cost. His words sum it up well: you cannot make great matcha without science.
The second half covers how Koto Tea Space built a Bangkok audience for high-grade matcha by never serving a latte, and how Yusuke-san trains his staff well beyond what they share with customers.
A huge thank you to khun Pop and Yusuke-san for the invitation! We are incredibly grateful for the learning opportunity.
https://kototeaspace.com/
IG: @kototeaspace
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pQLYXNuffxTa8HP98
Interview with Teaism, Khun Gan
In this episode, Khun Gan from TeaismExplorer shares his journey with tea, from working in Uji to becoming the first Thai-national Nihoncha Instructor. We explore the nuances of matcha production, regional …
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In this episode, Khun Gan from TeaismExplorer shares his journey with tea, from working in Uji to becoming the first Thai-national Nihoncha Instructor. We explore the nuances of matcha production, regional labeling, and the evolving tea industry in Japan and Thailand.
IG: @teaism.explorer
Next Level Specialty
In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) share their experiences and learnings from their recent trip to Kyoto, where they met renowned matcha farmer Tsuji-san, toured Marukyu …
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In this episode of the Specialty Matcha Podcast, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) share their experiences and learnings from their recent trip to Kyoto, where they met renowned matcha farmer Tsuji-san, toured Marukyu Koyamaen, and visited Baisa Nakamura. They deep dive into insights from Tsuji-san on matcha fertilization, innovations happening in the world of matcha, and cross-cultural exchanges happening in contemporary tea culture.
Is matcha just a format now?
In this episode, Ryan Ahn and Zongjun (Sam) Li delve into the complexities surrounding how the word "matcha" is being used by both marketers and consumers all over the world. The conversation highlights the …
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In this episode, Ryan Ahn and Zongjun (Sam) Li delve into the complexities surrounding how the word "matcha" is being used by both marketers and consumers all over the world. The conversation highlights the fluidity of matcha's identity historically, is use and perhaps misuse today, and the importance of education in understanding both historical and contemporary tea cultures.
Interview with ChaEn Tea Experience, Khun Big
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KirlTPzWoqoIn this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) sit down with the founder of ChaEn Tea Experience in Bangkok, khun Big. They discuss the unique cultivation of Jinxuan cultivar …
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KirlTPzWoqo
In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) sit down with the founder of ChaEn Tea Experience in Bangkok, khun Big. They discuss the unique cultivation of Jinxuan cultivar matcha in northern Thailand and the art of blending Thai and Japanese cultivars. The conversation covers the evolution of consumer preferences in Thailand, the impact of COVID on tea education, and the challenges of maintaining quality amidst rising prices with the matcha boom in Japan.
IG: @chaen.tea.ex
https://maps.app.goo.gl/QmkgpfbVwGRGCDcZ6
It's all about the References
https://sankomatcha.com/collections/tenchaBuy Tencha References Online (a very humble start of a list! Please forgive us, sourcing tencha is very difficult at the moment): In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun …
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https://sankomatcha.com/collections/tencha
Buy Tencha References Online (a very humble start of a list! Please forgive us, sourcing tencha is very difficult at the moment):
In this episode, Ryan and Zongjun (Sam) delve into the complexities of matcha and tea tasting, emphasizing the importance of reliable references for building a mental model of flavors. They discuss the balance between transparency in labeling and the enjoyment of tea, the significant role of marketing in perceived quality, and the challenges of consumer education in the tea industry. The conversation highlights the need for reference samples and the potential future of matcha in specialty markets, advocating for a community-driven approach to education and appreciation of tea on objective truths such as where the tencha was grown, how long it was shaded, the method of shading, fertilizers applied, harvest season, harvest method, processing techniques and cultivar used.
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