The Careless Talk Climbing Podcast
- Episódios
- 223
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- Último episódio
- 11 nov 2026
Sobre o podcast
Aidan Roberts and Sam Prior host this climbing-themed podcast that kind of goes where it goes. Lots of tangents and rambles as well as hopefully thought provoking questions. Sometimes it's very focussed on climbing, sometimes climbing barely comes up. The guests tend to be elite level climbers, but we often willingly get lost in the weeds and end up wildly off-topic. If you're enjoying our podcast and would like to support it: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
Episódios 223
E224: Mysterious Aidan sends the Distil-low-ry project and news roundup
So much has been going on in climbing recently, which is phenomenal for the sport but it's even better for the people that have to come up with something new to talk about related to the sport every week …
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So much has been going on in climbing recently, which is phenomenal for the sport but it's even better for the people that have to come up with something new to talk about related to the sport every week. I love it when anyone does anything newsworthy these days. Aidan has also climbed one of his two big projects in Yosemite and he was absolutely dying to tell us all about it. The man has recently been outed as the most mysterious 9A climber, so here's another dose of him talking for hours on end before the feature length film and instagram posts come out... I know.. He's practically bigfoot at this point, but I choose to believe he's real. If he's not real it would really change how this podcast is perceived in future.
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E223: Jenya Kazbekova - Dreamcatcher, Ukraine, breaking new ground after becoming a mum
You have to look pretty far before you find someone as impressive or as inspiring as Jenya. She's recently climbed Dreamcatcher, she competed at the olympics and she has returned to the World Cup circuit …
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You have to look pretty far before you find someone as impressive or as inspiring as Jenya. She's recently climbed Dreamcatcher, she competed at the olympics and she has returned to the World Cup circuit after becoming a mum. All this whilst advocating for her home country of Ukraine which is still fighting a Russian invasion. It was great to get an opportunity to chat to Jenya amidst her busy schedule and we covered a lot of ground.
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E222: Tom Randall - Risk, suffering, inconvenient data and hanging out under bridges
It's always nice to complete a set isn't it? We've had Ollie a couple of times but now we can unlock the Lattice achievement because we've had Tom on as well. Tom is probably the more well …
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It's always nice to complete a set isn't it? We've had Ollie a couple of times but now we can unlock the Lattice achievement because we've had Tom on as well. Tom is probably the more well known of the Lattice duo for his rock (and cement) exploits. He loves to suffer, and put himself through some of the most miserable sounding experiences but also manages to keep a good sense of humour about it all. We spoke to him a little bit about a lot of the things he does, but he does so much that we could have gone into greater detail in any of it. Some great moments though, Aidan wants to learn to be more selfish, Tom reckons Pete is at least a one in three human and apparently Ondra was nearly killed trying to climb under a bridge. All this and potentially more within!
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to support us then please do consider checking out our patreon page, we had a teaser of one of Aidan's big yosemite projects on there this week. Gee Whiz! https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
E221: Ollie Torr - ARCing, coaching and making gains whilst watching Netflix
Ollie is back, he's done a lot of work coaching Aidan in the past and he's one of the most knowledgeable coaches we've ever spoken to. He asked to be pre-warned of some of the things we were …
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Ollie is back, he's done a lot of work coaching Aidan in the past and he's one of the most knowledgeable coaches we've ever spoken to. He asked to be pre-warned of some of the things we were going to ask him about, presumably so he could brush up and spend some time revising, then we hit him with a bunch of stuff we hadn't mentioned. Got him. We ramble about peptides, about Abrahangs, about Lattice's occasionally controversial social media, all sorts really.
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E220: The most influential boulderer knockout tournament *Exclusionary criteria apply*
If you only tune in every week to enjoy listening to our opening jingle then I must apologise as I am away at the moment and don't have a copy of it with me. I could download an old episode and rip it from …
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If you only tune in every week to enjoy listening to our opening jingle then I must apologise as I am away at the moment and don't have a copy of it with me. I could download an old episode and rip it from there but I'm hungry and I want to go and make dinner. Once again, soz.
This week we get a little bit of inside scoop from Aidan about Adam's experience on Exodia. Then we aim to tackle the question that is on every climber's lips for nearly waking second of every day, 'for the love of all that is holy, who is the most influential male boulderer born on or before January 1st 1990!'. I had a few reasons for applying those criteria and I mention them at least briefly in the episode.
*Trigger Warning* your favourite climber may get voted off in the first round and our methodology is meandering and occasionally illogical, so again, soz.
At the end I give the more learned amongst us (our Patroons) an opportunity to put us right and read out the results of their polling.
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E219: Noah Wheeler - Board styling in Squamish, ego and sacking it all off to go play tennis
If you go out and send a bunch of 9A boulders, we will probably ask you to come on our podcast where we will ask you about anything other than the 9A boulders you sent. There's an inherent contradiction …
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If you go out and send a bunch of 9A boulders, we will probably ask you to come on our podcast where we will ask you about anything other than the 9A boulders you sent. There's an inherent contradiction here, I don't really know why we do it, but yet we do it so regularly. Today is no different, our elite athlete of the day is Noah Wheeler, the world class level boulders he has climbed are numerous, but we ended up talking about social confidence, ego, playing tennis and insisting on board styling finesse boulders. I felt like I got to know Noah a bit better during this chat so I hope you will too, and that, if nothing else, is what you can hope for with our lines of questioning!
If you're enjoying our podcast, even if you don't know why, then please consider becoming a patroon, it's what keeps me editing and it keeps Aidan semi-reluctantly answering my phone calls. https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
E218: Michael Rosato - Tension, Board Lords, Bilbo vs Brad Pitt
Much requested, Michael from Tension joined us this week. I sort of hoped this episode would devolve into a mudslinging match as we fought to shift the tiller of board climbing towards our respective visions of …
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Much requested, Michael from Tension joined us this week. I sort of hoped this episode would devolve into a mudslinging match as we fought to shift the tiller of board climbing towards our respective visions of board utopia. As it turned out, we actually agreed on most things when it comes to board climbing, but we enjoyed chatting about them anyway. It's a nerdy chat about boards, obviously, but it's also so much more than ..... actually that is basically it, but as two board nerds we enjoyed it anyway. Michael has contributed a huge amount to the scene, not least with his invention of the Board Lords series on YouTube, which is where you can watch a bunch of handsome folk flexing into the camera in a way we all enjoy. If you're the sort of person who finds board climbing culture a bit nauseating, might I recommend listening to Testpiece this week? Or maybe try the rest is history, they did a cracking series on Horatio Nelson which is worth a listen... Anyone still here? No?
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E217: Jakob Schubert - Are the best climbers in the world lead climbers?
At Glastonbury there is a legends slot on Sunday, I felt like we were doing something similar this week. One of the contenders for the tag of 'GOAT', Jakob has climbed top grade boulders and lead …
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At Glastonbury there is a legends slot on Sunday, I felt like we were doing something similar this week. One of the contenders for the tag of 'GOAT', Jakob has climbed top grade boulders and lead climbs, has got two Olympic medals as well as medals almost every year since 2008 on the world cup circuit. We chatted to him about some stuff in relation to the above really. It was very exciting to have him on, there are still a few guests that make us a bit nervous before they come on and this was one of them! Pointlessly nervous of course, as we had a lovely chat.
If you want the lovely chats to keep coming, please consider checking out our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
E216: Round Table - Benn's back! Catch up and rambling
I spend a a day editing a podcast and then can't remember almost anything that was in it to write the description. I quite often have to click through it again to remember whichever …
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I spend a a day editing a podcast and then can't remember almost anything that was in it to write the description. I quite often have to click through it again to remember whichever 'unforgettable' moments there were to try and sell you with. It probably doesn't help that I'm also currently rewatching the Real Thing on YouTube and I keep getting distracted by the incredible garms Jerry is rocking. It's a good episode though, we've got Benn and Katie joining me and Aidan and we took ages to actually get to the idea for the episode, and when we did we mostly strayed off topic again anyway. If you like that sort of thing, then enjoy!
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E215: James Pearson - Finnish Line, Exodia and trips with kids
James is back this week! I was tempted to release this split into two episodes because I think the discussion might appeal to different people. In the first half we talk about James going on adventurous trips …
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James is back this week! I was tempted to release this split into two episodes because I think the discussion might appeal to different people. In the first half we talk about James going on adventurous trips with his kids and his ascent of the Finnish Line in Rocklands. In the second half we talk about Exodia but more interestingly in many ways we talk about the way the ascent of Exodia was publicised as James was involved with helping to publicise the ascent as part of his position in La Sportiva. That chat starts about halfway through and I personally found it super interesting and a great opportunity for me to stick my generously proportioned beak behind the curtain which is basically the whole reason I do this silly podcast in the first place. I'm curious if you're feeling charitable, or nosey if you're not.
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to help us keep it going a little while longer then please do consider checking out our Patreon page! https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
E214: Louis Parkinson & Joel Robertson will help you Get a Grip
Description description description, Joel and Louis wrote a book, and that means there was immediately a potential for a symbiotic relationship with us on the pod. We like talking about the psychological …
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Description description description, Joel and Louis wrote a book, and that means there was immediately a potential for a symbiotic relationship with us on the pod. We like talking about the psychological element of climbing and they wanted to promote their new book. Synergy.
Louis is a very famous coach and very strong and highly caffeinated climber, Joel is a psychotherapist and new(er) climber. The two of them have teamed up and written a book all about the mental travails of climbers, or how climbing highlights pre-existing travails, and how we can be kind to ourselves and combat these issues to hopefully live a happier and more content life alongside getting better at climbing. They're a good pair of chaps and we had a great meandering chat.
If you want to check out their book (soon to be available for pre-order) check out Get a Grip on Amazon.
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E213: Charlie Schreiber - New coaching program, goal adjudication and climbing when time-poor
Ah the episode description section. Every week I dread filling it out because it feels so superfluous to requirement but here we go again... Joining us this week is Charlie Schreiber (as you can see from the …
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Ah the episode description section. Every week I dread filling it out because it feels so superfluous to requirement but here we go again... Joining us this week is Charlie Schreiber (as you can see from the episode title), we talk about coaching, goals, becoming busier, the bouldering progression formula, movement patters and so much more (information you have no doubt gleamed from the title). All jokes aside it's always good fun talking to Charlie, he's very enthusiastic and very easy to talk to, I hope you enjoy it!
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to support us, please consider checking us out on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/u70353823
E212: CTCP X Backseat Climbing - Hot takes and strong opinions well defended
Joining us this week are the cohosts of a rival British Podcast, Backseat Climbing. Originally they came to fame when they humorously slandered half of climbing on a subsequently deleted pod, but they meant …
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Joining us this week are the cohosts of a rival British Podcast, Backseat Climbing. Originally they came to fame when they humorously slandered half of climbing on a subsequently deleted pod, but they meant well and a lot of water has disappeared under the bridge since then. Solly has been on the pod twice before and is one of the best British Boulderers of all time, Matt is also a strong climber and has an incredible knowledge for climbing and climbing history, between them they have some great hot takes they wanted to chuck at us. I was expecting to be sent sprawling sideways whilst I desperately tried to prevent our cancellation but actually it was all good stuff, we had a great time.
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to support us, please consider checking out our patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
If you enjoyed the dulcet tones of Matt and Solly then go check out their podcast as well :)
E211: Ben Moon - The Moon Spray, the next step in the evolution of commercial boards
Ben is back! Ben is very close to launching his new innovation, the Moonboard Spray. He even paid me to set it, but then he crumpled up my offering and launched into the bin and did it again with a completely …
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Ben is back! Ben is very close to launching his new innovation, the Moonboard Spray. He even paid me to set it, but then he crumpled up my offering and launched into the bin and did it again with a completely different team. Why? What is it? Can I have a crack at doing the app instead? Basically just a fun chat going over it as well as our philosophies about training boards etc.
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to support us, please consider checking out our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
E210: Jen Wood - Climbing 9a, running and mindless ARCing
Jen Wood comes to join us on the pod this week! Someone who used to compete on the World Cup boulder circuit with Aidan but they went in totally opposite directions at the end (not because of any personal beef …
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Jen Wood comes to join us on the pod this week! Someone who used to compete on the World Cup boulder circuit with Aidan but they went in totally opposite directions at the end (not because of any personal beef I hasten to add) Jen has transformed herself via the most gruelling methods into one of the UKs top sport climbers. All that hard work culminated in sending Climb for Life (9a) in Sicily. We chatted about that, how she got there and I also asked her a bunch of questions about running which a more professional podcast might have warned her was coming.
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to support us please consider checking out our Patreon! It probably won't help you climb your projects but it might help release a tiny amount of feel good hormones that for a brief moment could make you almost feel like you have.
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E209 : Billy Ridal's Grand Day Out
Billy is back to talk about another audacious challenge. This time Billy attempted to climb 100 7s on gritstone in 24 hours. It was quite the adventure with a some high highs and some devastating (and humorous) …
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Billy is back to talk about another audacious challenge. This time Billy attempted to climb 100 7s on gritstone in 24 hours. It was quite the adventure with a some high highs and some devastating (and humorous) lows. Billy came on to tell us the story!
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to support us, please consider checking out our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
E208: Red Pill vs Blue Pill game, controversy and summer training updates
Home team this week and Katie jumped in to join us for a friendly round of Red Pill vs Blue Pill, a chat about some storm in a teacup controversies that will probably be forgotten about in a week and a catch up …
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Home team this week and Katie jumped in to join us for a friendly round of Red Pill vs Blue Pill, a chat about some storm in a teacup controversies that will probably be forgotten about in a week and a catch up about Aidan and Katie's summer training. We also rambled for quite some time about various sports, but that is on the Patreon so if you want even more rambling please consider checking out our Patreon page.
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E207: *NSFW* Lillian Frances - Fingerbanging for climber boys, communication, consent
If you normally listen to this podcast with young children, maybe tell them we didn't upload this week, or give them an old episode and test their memory!Okay we'll level with you, this episode has …
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If you normally listen to this podcast with young children, maybe tell them we didn't upload this week, or give them an old episode and test their memory!
Okay we'll level with you, this episode has given us a bit of anxiety. Having a moderately successful podcast can sometimes lead to the erroneous thought 'people like listening to us talk about climbing, so maybe people like listening to us talk about other stuff too'. That has often proven to be very wrong, however we have said many times that we think climbers are more interesting than climbing so we feel this episode is true to that. Lillian is a keen climber but not one that cares too much about progressing through the grades. She has written a book entitled 'Fingerbanging for climber boys' which is about exactly what it sounds like it's about, but it's also about the value of communication and the importance of consent. This stuff is important, and we do believe talking about it and breaking a few taboos is a worthwhile endeavour. That said, we do understand that some of you will feel this isn't the right place, or time, or that we're not the right people to be having this conversation, and we understand and respect that critique but on this occasion we elected to go with our gut (and the wise guidance of our Patroon community) and do it anyway.
Love, Sam and Aidan
If you would like to check out Lillian's book : https://www.fingerbangingforclimberboys.com/
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E206: Paul 'Huffy' Houghoughi - New digital training devices, Thoracic Outlet Syndrome and other injuries
Wow it's been a while since Huffy was last on! Generally considered the foremost climbing physio in British circles, Huffy really knows his stuff and is also one of the nicest and easiest people you could …
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Wow it's been a while since Huffy was last on! Generally considered the foremost climbing physio in British circles, Huffy really knows his stuff and is also one of the nicest and easiest people you could hope to meet so it was a pleasure to have him back. Lots of good stuff, give it a listen!
If you want to hear more from Huffy then check out his podcast 'The Climbing Injury Podcast'.
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E205: Eric Bissell - Yosemite ranging and film making
I can't remember the last time I had a faster two hours than during this conversation. We had a long (mental) list of things to talk about and after asking a couple of questions I looked down and …
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I can't remember the last time I had a faster two hours than during this conversation. We had a long (mental) list of things to talk about and after asking a couple of questions I looked down and discovered we'd run out of time. We mostly talked about Eric's time as a Yosemite climbing ranger and his film-making and I still can't quite believe we didn't get to anything else!
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E204: Roundtable with Hamish McArthur and Ethan Salvo
Two return guests coming back for a new look round table. We chat about a range of topics from social media, awkward crag interactions, Hamish's new not for profit, what climbing means to us, Dean Potter …
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Two return guests coming back for a new look round table. We chat about a range of topics from social media, awkward crag interactions, Hamish's new not for profit, what climbing means to us, Dean Potter and of course our new favourite Ebird comes up from time to time. It's a bit of a sprawling chat and we have to chase Ethan down a few rabbit holes but we got somewhere in the end, actually we didn't, but we chatted about some things along the way.
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E203: A 'big year' for climbing, commercial boards and how much could you suffer for gains?
A home team episode, just us chatting about some various bits and pieces. Most of the bits and pieces are in the title and in the episode description so I probably shouldn't write them out here again …
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A home team episode, just us chatting about some various bits and pieces. Most of the bits and pieces are in the title and in the episode description so I probably shouldn't write them out here again should I? Maybe I should, but that's starting to feel like hard work so I won't... It's just dawned on me that in the time it took me to write that I could have just written a proper description but ah well.. In too deep to turn back now. If you think I'm still writing just so it looks like a big enough word count for a podcast description you'd be very very very very wrong.
Lots of general natterings, you know the drill by now I'm sure.
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E202: Tristan Chen - Recovery, pottery and the similarities between bouldering and birding
Long overdue, but we managed to get Tristan on the podcast. We've wanted him to come on for a long time. Tristan is a really strong climber from the south east who also has a witty and dry sense of humour …
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Long overdue, but we managed to get Tristan on the podcast. We've wanted him to come on for a long time. Tristan is a really strong climber from the south east who also has a witty and dry sense of humour which we really appreciate. Known for his hot takes and funny way of phrasing things he was great fun to have on and we enjoyed the chat immensely. Tristan recovered from Leukaemia a couple of years back and we talk about that at the start of the podcast if that's something that you wouldn't like to listen to then you can skip the first 40 minutes or so.
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E201: Yannick Flohe - Big sends, big downgrades, let's sort this mess out
Yannick did it! I've been saying for a while we need to see some 9As get downgraded (and potentially some 8Cs/8C+s upgraded) and Yannick has helped to get the ball rolling. He's always fun to talk to …
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Yannick did it! I've been saying for a while we need to see some 9As get downgraded (and potentially some 8Cs/8C+s upgraded) and Yannick has helped to get the ball rolling. He's always fun to talk to, you never feel far away from a clipable comment or quote that would make us serious bank on instagram if I could be bothered to clip it and post it. He's honest and he says what he thinks and we need a lot more of that at the moment!
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E200: 9A boulderer draft, Squamish and chat
It's our 200th episode! To celebrate we're doing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary! Just Aidan and I this week, chatting about Squamish, media we've watched, some stats from the pod and we …
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It's our 200th episode! To celebrate we're doing absolutely nothing out of the ordinary! Just Aidan and I this week, chatting about Squamish, media we've watched, some stats from the pod and we play a silly game where we have to draft 9A boulderers for some challenges.
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E199: Natalia Grossman - Success, setbacks and prioritising mental health
This week we were joined by four time overall boulder world cup winner Natalia Grossman. Natalia is in the thick of an unfortunate set of injuries, having initially ruptured her ACL she now has picked up a …
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This week we were joined by four time overall boulder world cup winner Natalia Grossman. Natalia is in the thick of an unfortunate set of injuries, having initially ruptured her ACL she now has picked up a nasty shoulder injury. Despite these debilitating setbacks she came back and won American nationals! On the face of it that sounds like an amazing comeback story but there's a lot more going on behind the scenes!
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E198: Sam, Aidan & Katie - Pride, confidence, projects and hypotheticals
We had a great time doing 75% of a round table. Alas no Benn this time, but Katie has done a hard new boulder in Yosemite so that gave us something to talk about. We got to talking about confidence in the …
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We had a great time doing 75% of a round table. Alas no Benn this time, but Katie has done a hard new boulder in Yosemite so that gave us something to talk about. We got to talking about confidence in the projecting process, comparison to others, how much pride we feel about our achievements and I throw a bunch of hypotheticals at them at the end!
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E197: Connor Herson - Quick ascents of the hardest trad routes in the world, drifters escape and trad style/ethics
We had a great time chatting to Connor for this week's episode. I feel like you have to really make waves in the Trad world for us to know that much about you and Connor has done just that. After sending …
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We had a great time chatting to Connor for this week's episode. I feel like you have to really make waves in the Trad world for us to know that much about you and Connor has done just that. After sending what was potentially the hardest ever trad pitch Connor went around the world to try the other contenders for the title, and in so doing, discovered that yes, it's probably the hardest ever trad pitch. We chat about the incredible year he's had but also about trad climbing in general. Some of the ethics questions and also we chat about trad climbers and wonder why they are the way that they are (we love you really).
If you're enjoying the podcast and would like to support us, please do consider checking out our Patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=70353823
E196: Jana Švecová - 8C first ascents, Terranova and injury comebacks
Jana Švecová joins us this week! We've been trying to get this sorted for a while so glad it finally came together. Jana is a super impressive climber, and has climbed multiple 8C boulders (she climbed …
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Jana Švecová joins us this week! We've been trying to get this sorted for a while so glad it finally came together. Jana is a super impressive climber, and has climbed multiple 8C boulders (she climbed another one since we recorded this episode). We chat to her about those projects, coming back from injuries, her long term battle with Terranova, Czech climbing and we also run through some desert island boulders. Hope you enjoy!
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E195: Yosemite season round up, news and desert island boulders
This episode is just the home team having a bit of a round up. We talk about Aidan's yosemtie season and I push a little harder to get his thoughts behind how it all went than I normally do. Then we just …
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This episode is just the home team having a bit of a round up. We talk about Aidan's yosemtie season and I push a little harder to get his thoughts behind how it all went than I normally do. Then we just have a little catch up about some of the goings on in the climbing world and finally return to our desert island boulders, this time with more examples to plagiarise.
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