What It Was Like
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- 13 nov 2026
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Conversations with people who have lived through extreme events. Some stories are dark and twisted, others are light and funny. In all cases, we get an intimate portrait of 'what it was like' to be there.
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Episódios 109
The Man Who Lived Alone in the Woods for 27 Years
In the late 80s, a string of petty thefts around North Pond, Maine, had locals baffled. As the decades went on and food kept vanishing from holiday homes, whispers began about a hermit in the woods. In 2013 …
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In the late 80s, a string of petty thefts around North Pond, Maine, had locals baffled. As the decades went on and food kept vanishing from holiday homes, whispers began about a hermit in the woods. In 2013, police arrested Christopher Knight, who had lived alone there for 27 years. Journalist Michael Finkel tells us how he befriended him, and why this man fled society.
Get in touch with Michael Finkel via his site: michaelfinkel.com
Read Mike’s book on Chris Knight: The Stranger in the Woods: The Extraordinary Story of the Last True Hermit
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How a Gang of Teens Robbed Hollywood’s Biggest Stars (Preview)
In 2008, a group of LA teenagers started breaking into celebrities’ homes. Orlando Bloom, Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton all lost designer clothes to the crew who became known as The Bling Ring. A few years …
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In 2008, a group of LA teenagers started breaking into celebrities’ homes. Orlando Bloom, Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton all lost designer clothes to the crew who became known as The Bling Ring. A few years later, Nancy Jo Sales was the journalist and author who took the story mainstream. In this subscriber episode preview she tells us how she earned their trust to write about them, and how they signaled the rise of Instagram influencer culture.
Get in touch with Nancy Jo Sales via her site: nancyjosales.com
Read Nancy’s book: The Bling Ring: How a Gang of Fame-obsessed Teens Ripped off Hollywood and Shocked the World
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Why do Some Pilots Become Mass Murderers?
The recent effort by a FlyDubai co-pilot to crash his own plane is not the first case of its kind. In 2015, Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz flew a plane into the French Alps, killing 150 passengers. On this …
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The recent effort by a FlyDubai co-pilot to crash his own plane is not the first case of its kind. In 2015, Germanwings co-pilot Andreas Lubitz flew a plane into the French Alps, killing 150 passengers. On this ep, we talk to pilot and journalist Jeff Wise, who met Lubitz’s friends and visited the crash site. Why do suicidal pilots sometimes become mass killers?
Read Jeff’s book: Fatal Descent: Andreas Lubitz and the Crash of Germanwings 9525
Check out Jeff’s podcast: Finding MH370
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I Think I Know What Happened to MH370 (Preview)
In 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished on its way to Beijing with 239 people on board. It remains one of aviation’s greatest mysteries. In this subscriber ep preview, Jeff Wise, host of the podcast …
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In 2014, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 vanished on its way to Beijing with 239 people on board. It remains one of aviation’s greatest mysteries. In this subscriber ep preview, Jeff Wise, host of the podcast Finding MH370, shares his unique take on what happened to the plane, and why it hasn’t been found.
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My Manic Life as a Bipolar Art Forger
In 1980s New York, Andy Behrman was an art dealer forging his clients’ paintings. He was also living with undiagnosed bipolar disorder, which he believes fueled his criminality and eventually landed him in …
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In 1980s New York, Andy Behrman was an art dealer forging his clients’ paintings. He was also living with undiagnosed bipolar disorder, which he believes fueled his criminality and eventually landed him in prison. On this ep, Andy talks about his eternal hunger for more and how mania both enhanced and ruined his life.
Read Andy’s book: Electroboy: A Memoir of Mania
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I Spent 20 Years Catching Art Thieves (Preview)
Robert Wittman founded the FBI’s Art Crime Team and spent 20 years going undercover to recover stolen art. In the full subscriber ep, Bob tells us how he catches art criminals. As he says, most of them make the …
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Robert Wittman founded the FBI’s Art Crime Team and spent 20 years going undercover to recover stolen art. In the full subscriber ep, Bob tells us how he catches art criminals. As he says, most of them make the same predictable mistakes, including those behind last October’s heist of the Louvre in Paris.
Read Robert’s books:
Priceless: How I Went Undercover to Rescue the World’s Stolen Treasures
The Devil’s Diary: Alfred Rosenberg and the Stolen Secrets of the Third Reich
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Years Later, I Discovered the Truth About My Abduction
In 1983, 11-year-old Kristine Conyers was abducted at gunpoint by a serial killer. She survived, but those four hours changed her life. It’s a story about the ripple effect on her family, and how she realised …
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In 1983, 11-year-old Kristine Conyers was abducted at gunpoint by a serial killer. She survived, but those four hours changed her life. It’s a story about the ripple effect on her family, and how she realised the crime was premeditated in ways she didn’t understand as a child. Kristine tells us how she’s lived with the trauma, and why the Me Too movement and the Cornell University rape case has emboldened her to come forward.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
I've Spent Decades Helping Abused Children Heal (Preview)
This show often features people who’ve survived unimaginable horrors as kids, which begs the question: how do people move on? In this episode preview we put this question to Al Killen-Harvey, a clinical social …
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This show often features people who’ve survived unimaginable horrors as kids, which begs the question: how do people move on? In this episode preview we put this question to Al Killen-Harvey, a clinical social worker who has spent decades helping abused and neglected children rebuild their lives. We talk trauma healing, how he carries his clients’ stories, and why he’s optimistic about the future.
Learn more about Al’s organisation: The Harvey Institute
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When the Captain Abandoned Ship, the Musicians Took Charge
In 1991, cruise ship performers Moss and Tracy Hills found themselves on a sinking ship. As the MTS Oceanos floundered, passengers waited for the crew to take charge. Finally, Moss and Tracy stepped in, and …
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In 1991, cruise ship performers Moss and Tracy Hills found themselves on a sinking ship. As the MTS Oceanos floundered, passengers waited for the crew to take charge. Finally, Moss and Tracy stepped in, and ultimately rescued over 500 passengers. On this ep, Moss tells the story of becoming an accidental hero.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
I Got Stuck on a Cruise Ship When COVID Hit (Preview)
This week's subscriber episode takes us back to February 2020, where Kent Frasure found himself confined to his cabin on the Diamond Princess due to COVID. It was a preview of the pandemic to come: the slow …
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This week's subscriber episode takes us back to February 2020, where Kent Frasure found himself confined to his cabin on the Diamond Princess due to COVID. It was a preview of the pandemic to come: the slow response, the gap between regular people and authority, and the limits of money against a million year-old virus.
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The Strange Story of Tasmania’s Ninja Cult
Through the 1990s, a group of men in Australia’s southernmost state began training as ninjas. It was a kind of proto-manosphere that slowly became part cult, part domestic terrorist cell. They stole explosives …
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Through the 1990s, a group of men in Australia’s southernmost state began training as ninjas. It was a kind of proto-manosphere that slowly became part cult, part domestic terrorist cell. They stole explosives, stockpiled guns, and plotted to kidnap local businessmen, until their leader was murdered in 1997. On this ep, Journalist Claire Sullivan walks us through this bizarre and forgotten saga.
Pre-order Claire’s book: Criminally Bad The 100% true story of Tasmania’s most inept crime ring
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How Cults Take Over Your Mind And How to Escape (Preview)
How do ordinary, intelligent people end up in cults, and how do they get out? In this subscriber ep preview, we talk to Ingo Michehl, who spent six years in the Moonies before a single phrase from a friend set …
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How do ordinary, intelligent people end up in cults, and how do they get out? In this subscriber ep preview, we talk to Ingo Michehl, who spent six years in the Moonies before a single phrase from a friend set him free. He later did a master’s in psychology with a thesis on mind control. He tells us about his journey in and out, and we unpack the eight criteria of “ideological totalism”.
Get in touch with Ingo at Balance With Ingo.
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I Fell in Love (and Had a Baby) With My Dad
Sophia Greenwood was adopted as a baby. She had no contact with her birth parents, until she met her biological dad in her 20s. They both experienced a sense of profound connection and fell into a relationship …
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Sophia Greenwood was adopted as a baby. She had no contact with her birth parents, until she met her biological dad in her 20s. They both experienced a sense of profound connection and fell into a relationship that ended in pregnancy. In this ep, Sophia talks about knowing she was in a relationship with her dad, yet unable to switch off the attraction, and why that’s more common than you'd think among adoptees.
Sophia's book, Forbidden Love, is on Amazon here.
This week’s episode was originally featured on our sister show Sex Confessions.
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Why Some Adoptees Become Attracted to Their Birth Parents (Preview)
This week’s story will likely be hard for many listeners to wrap their heads around, which is why we're unpacking the science behind it in this week’s subscriber episode.This is an excerpt from Julian’s …
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This week’s story will likely be hard for many listeners to wrap their heads around, which is why we're unpacking the science behind it in this week’s subscriber episode.This is an excerpt from Julian’s discussion with Dianne Mathes, a Canadian therapist who specialises in the phenomenon of adoptees feeling attracted to biological family members. By her estimate, it's actually the majority of her cases, and she shares her own experience as an adoptee.
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I Was Abducted at Gunpoint During Running Practice
At 15, Maggie Malloy was abducted at gunpoint during running practice near her home in Galion, Ohio. A few hours later, she was found with multiple gun shots to the head, but alive. This week, Maggie shares how …
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At 15, Maggie Malloy was abducted at gunpoint during running practice near her home in Galion, Ohio. A few hours later, she was found with multiple gun shots to the head, but alive. This week, Maggie shares how she survived and how faith and facing her past helped her to heal.Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
The Hurricane That Swallowed a Cargo Ship (Classic)
This week we are revisiting one of our favourite stories. In 2015, Hurricane Joaquin roared over the Bahamas and sank a cargo ship called the El Faro, drowning all 33 people onboard. It was a mystery how a …
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This week we are revisiting one of our favourite stories. In 2015, Hurricane Joaquin roared over the Bahamas and sank a cargo ship called the El Faro, drowning all 33 people onboard. It was a mystery how a modern US-flagged ship could sail into a hurricane until its black box was found. In this episode, Julian examines the black box transcript to discover a crew that ignored all their own instincts.
Transcript from the El Faro's black box is here.
The US Coast Guard's report is here.
And here is an article and a book that was hugely helpful in researching this case:
“The Clock Is Ticking”: Inside the Worst U.S. Maritime Disaster in Decades by William Langewiesche
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The Strange Condition That Made Me Write Constantly
When Alice Weaver Flaherty’s twins died at birth, she developed an overwhelming compulsion to write about the experience. Soon, Alice had developed hypergraphia, a rare condition that causes sufferers to write …
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When Alice Weaver Flaherty’s twins died at birth, she developed an overwhelming compulsion to write about the experience. Soon, Alice had developed hypergraphia, a rare condition that causes sufferers to write morning and night. She explains what happened to her and what it reveals about the brain and creativity.
Check out Alice’s book, The Midnight Disease
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My Childhood Bully Killed My Friend
In 1990, 14-year-old Tyler Pelke was home alone in Altona, Canada, watching a movie with a friend. Then the local bully, Earl Giesbrecht, showed up at the door. Hours later, Tyler’s friend was dead and his …
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In 1990, 14-year-old Tyler Pelke was home alone in Altona, Canada, watching a movie with a friend. Then the local bully, Earl Giesbrecht, showed up at the door. Hours later, Tyler’s friend was dead and his house was on fire. Years later, Tyler confronted Earl in prison to ask “why?”.
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He Slept on His Daughter’s Dorm Room Couch and Built a Cult
In 2010, fraudster Larry Ray got out of prison and started sleeping on a couch in his daughter’s college dorm. Within weeks, he was mentoring her friends. A year later, he’d recruited most of them into what …
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In 2010, fraudster Larry Ray got out of prison and started sleeping on a couch in his daughter’s college dorm. Within weeks, he was mentoring her friends. A year later, he’d recruited most of them into what would later be described as a “sex-cult.” Felicia Rosario was one of them. Introduced to Larry by her brother, she spent 10 years under his spell. She unpacks his incredible aptitude for mind control and how she rebuilt her life after his arrest.
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I Joined a Cult That Demanded Human Ears
"Bring me their ears." That was the order from cult leader Yahweh ben Yahweh, who admitted new members of the Nation of Yahweh into his inner circle only after they'd killed someone and had an ear to prove it …
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"Bring me their ears." That was the order from cult leader Yahweh ben Yahweh, who admitted new members of the Nation of Yahweh into his inner circle only after they'd killed someone and had an ear to prove it. Our guest, Khalil Amani, never killed anyone, but this instruction was a step too far. This week, Khalil tells us how he became an FBI informant and put the group's leader behind bars.
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I Traced a Mystery Stalker Back to eBay’s Corporate Headquarters
In 2019, David and Ina Steiner began receiving mysterious packages at their Massachusetts home. Local police sergeant Jason Sutherland was called in to investigate, and eventually traced the harassment back to …
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In 2019, David and Ina Steiner began receiving mysterious packages at their Massachusetts home. Local police sergeant Jason Sutherland was called in to investigate, and eventually traced the harassment back to executives at eBay. In this episode, Sergeant Sutherland explains how one of Silicon Valley’s biggest companies came to target a suburban couple.
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How a Bunch of Australian Teens Invented 'Urban Exploration'
Today, "urbex" (urban exploration) is a global phenomenon with millions of videos online. But few people know it all traces back to a group of teenagers in Melbourne. In the mid-1980s, they founded the Cave …
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Today, "urbex" (urban exploration) is a global phenomenon with millions of videos online. But few people know it all traces back to a group of teenagers in Melbourne. In the mid-1980s, they founded the Cave Clan, formalising the exploration of storm drains and abandoned buildings. In this ep, founding member Dougo explains how the group began, the tragedy that changed everything, and how they’re hoping to bring the Cave Clan back to life.
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The Day My Daughter Got Abducted (and How I Got Her Back)
In 2018, Brittany Todd was a mother of five living in South Carolina. Then one day she came home to find a stranger inside her house who beat her unconscious and abducted her four-year-old daughter. In this …
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In 2018, Brittany Todd was a mother of five living in South Carolina. Then one day she came home to find a stranger inside her house who beat her unconscious and abducted her four-year-old daughter. In this episode, Brittany tells us how they got her girl back.
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I Pulled the Largest Prison Break in UK History
In 1983, 38 IRA prisoners escaped Northern Ireland's Maze Prison by hijacking a truck and driving through multiple security gates to freedom. Ringleader Gerry Kelly explains how they pulled off such a stunt …
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In 1983, 38 IRA prisoners escaped Northern Ireland's Maze Prison by hijacking a truck and driving through multiple security gates to freedom. Ringleader Gerry Kelly explains how they pulled off such a stunt, and why he believes escaping was a moral duty.
For a more detailed account of this story check out Gerry’s memoir: Playing My Part
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I Somehow Survived the Darkest Years of AIDS
AIDS devastated America's gay communities through the 1980s. In major cities, up to 50% of gay men were living with the virus, with the median survival rate after diagnosis just 11 months. Mark S. King lived …
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AIDS devastated America's gay communities through the 1980s. In major cities, up to 50% of gay men were living with the virus, with the median survival rate after diagnosis just 11 months. Mark S. King lived through it all. After moving to Los Angeles in 1981, he watched an entire generation of friends disappear. In this conversation, he reflects on his own HIV diagnosis and miraculous survival, and what those years taught him about life and love.
Check out more of Mark’s work on his blog, spanning four decades of essays: My Fabulous Disease
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The Discovery of the Ebola Virus
In 1976, a mysterious illness started killing people in Central Africa. Virus expert Joseph McCormick was flown in to work out what it was and how it spread. This is how the world came to learn of a frightening …
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In 1976, a mysterious illness started killing people in Central Africa. Virus expert Joseph McCormick was flown in to work out what it was and how it spread. This is how the world came to learn of a frightening new virus called Ebola. In this ep, Joe describes how he later discovered that HIV had emerged from the very same corner of Africa. It's a conversation about evolution and how humans and viruses are more connected than you'd expect.
Check out Joe’s book, co-written with his wife: Level 4: Virus Hunters of the CDC.
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How I Lost Everything to Leonardo DiCaprio
In 1995, Dale Wheatley had just written and produced Don's Plum starring his friends Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire. The film was quickly snapped up for a 3-picture deal. But then Leo decided he didn't …
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In 1995, Dale Wheatley had just written and produced Don's Plum starring his friends Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire. The film was quickly snapped up for a 3-picture deal. But then Leo decided he didn't want it released. Overnight, he and Tobey buried the film and dismantled Dale's friendships. As he explains, it’s a moment he’s never recovered from.
You can watch Don's Plum on Dale’s YouTube here
Dale's memoir, Too Real, is also available on his website here
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I Escaped an Abusive Polygamist Cult… and Became a Millionaire
Pamela Jones was born into a fringe splinter group of Mormonism. By her early 30s she had nine children, while her husband had five other wives. But one day something inside her broke. In this ep, Pamela …
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Pamela Jones was born into a fringe splinter group of Mormonism. By her early 30s she had nine children, while her husband had five other wives. But one day something inside her broke. In this ep, Pamela describes how she escaped — penniless and illiterate — and built a multimillion-dollar business and a whole new life.
Hire Pamela to speak at your next event here
Read her incredible memoir, The Dirt Beneath Our Door: My Journey to Freedom after Escaping a Polygamous Mormon Cult
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A Fatal Search for a Lost City of Gold in the Amazon
In 1981, an Israeli backpacker named Yossi Ghinsberg met a man in Bolivia who told him about a lost city of riches buried in the jungle. Four of them went into the Amazon to search for the city. Two came out …
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In 1981, an Israeli backpacker named Yossi Ghinsberg met a man in Bolivia who told him about a lost city of riches buried in the jungle. Four of them went into the Amazon to search for the city. Two came out. Yossi tells us how he survived and what he learned about the darkness within.
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Read his incredible memoir, Jungle, here
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My Terrifying (and Oddly Funny) 25 Hours Kidnapped in New York
On the eve of his 38th birthday in 1998, a lawyer named Stanley Alpert was plucked off the street by three armed men. For the next 25 hours he sat blindfolded in a corner of their Brooklyn apartment, listening …
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On the eve of his 38th birthday in 1998, a lawyer named Stanley Alpert was plucked off the street by three armed men. For the next 25 hours he sat blindfolded in a corner of their Brooklyn apartment, listening to their strange lives play out around him, and carefully absorbing their stories so he could have them jailed, should he ever escape.
For more, check out Stan’s book The Birthday Party: A Memoir of Survival
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