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AI in Education Podcast

by Dan Bowen and Ray Fleming

NewWhat happens when you make an entire curriculum AI-ready?November 12, 2026 · 31 min
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About the podcast

Dan Bowen and Ray Fleming are experienced education renegades who have worked in many various educational institutions and educational companies across the world. They talk about Artificial Intelligence in Education - what it is, how it works, and the different ways it is being used. It's not too serious, or too technical, and is intended to be a good conversation. Please note the views on the podcast are our own or those of our guests, and not of our respective employers (unless we say otherwise at the time!)

Episodes 99

  1. What happens when you make an entire curriculum AI-ready?

    31 minSeason 18 · Episode 13

    What happens when you make an entire curriculum AI-ready? What if the biggest opportunity for AI in education isn't a better AI model, but making our national curricula accessible to AI in the first place? In …

    Show notes
    What happens when you make an entire curriculum AI-ready? What if the biggest opportunity for AI in education isn't a better AI model, but making our national curricula accessible to AI in the first place? In this episode, Ray and Dan talk with John Roberts, CEO of Oak National Academy, about how England is building the digital foundations for AI in education, and why other countries should be paying attention. Born during the pandemic, Oak now provides over 13,000 curriculum-aligned lessons. But its most significant contribution might be turning curriculum knowledge, teaching resources, prerequisite skills and common misconceptions into structured, machine-readable data that anyone can build upon. We explore how this open approach is helping EdTech companies innovate, why Oak's AI assistant Aila has demonstrated measurable benefits in independent research, and what Australia and other countries could learn from England's approach. The bigger question: Should every country be building open, AI-ready curriculum infrastructure, rather than leaving the foundations of educational AI to commercial technology companies? Links and resources

  2. Are AI Tutors Making Students Learn Less?

    41 minSeason 18 · Episode 12

    What if giving students access to AI tutors actually makes them learn less? This week, Ray and Dan examine two new randomised trials that challenge some of the assumptions about AI in education. One found that …

    Show notes

    What if giving students access to AI tutors actually makes them learn less?

    This week, Ray and Dan examine two new randomised trials that challenge some of the assumptions about AI in education. One found that AI tutoring was as effective as expert human tutoring, but students covered less material and saw no improvement in final test scores. Another found that students offered AI tutors performed worse, participated less, and rarely used the tools.

    We explore what these findings mean for student motivation, engagement and the future of teaching.

    News this episode:

    Research

  3. When AI Outsmarts Mathematicians: What Happens to Maths Education?

    39 minSeason 18 · Episode 11

    What happens to maths education when AI becomes better at mathematics than the mathematicians themselves? In this episode of the AI in Education Podcast, Ray and Dan are joined by Rita Bateson, founder of …

    Show notes

    What happens to maths education when AI becomes better at mathematics than the mathematicians themselves?

    In this episode of the AI in Education Podcast, Ray and Dan are joined by Rita Bateson, founder of Eblana Learning and an expert in curriculum, assessment and ethical AI, to explore how AI's extraordinary mathematical advances are challenging everything we thought we knew about teaching and learning.

    From AI solving complex mathematical problems to the future of STEM careers, Rita explains why maths teachers are suddenly confronting the same disruption that humanities teachers have faced for years.

    The conversation also explores:

    • Rethinking maths education: Why AI demands new approaches to curriculum, assessment and mathematical understanding.
    • Students rejecting AI slop: Why young people want authentic teacher feedback, not polished AI-generated responses.
    • AI anxiety and trust: What students really think about AI and why schools need more honest conversations.
    • Practical opportunities: How teachers can use AI to rediscover ideas, unlock creativity and improve teaching without sacrificing human connection.

    Links

    Eblana Learning website: eblanalearning.com

    Rita's Substack: https://substack.com/@eblana Rit'a book for school leaders: https://www.hachettelearning.com/teaching-strategies/international-school-leaders-guide-to-ai The new workbook by Eblana Learning with Pearson for ethical AI literacy: https://www.pearson.com/international-schools/international-baccalaureate-curriculum/ib-ai-student-workbooks.html

    After we recorded this podcast, Hannah Fry did an excellent explainer about the AI plus Maths debate in the Rest is Science podcast which came out straight after we spoke: Apple Podcasts and Spotify

  4. When AI Helps Students Learn Less: What the Research Reveals

    30 minSeason 18 · Episode 10

    Is AI actually improving learning, or are we making things easier without making students better learners? This week we explore five research studies challenging assumptions about AI in education. From …

    Show notes
    Is AI actually improving learning, or are we making things easier without making students better learners? This week we explore five research studies challenging assumptions about AI in education. From AI-assisted grading and student motivation to the surprising finding that Socratic AI tutors can leave students more frustrated and performing worse, the evidence raises important questions about how we design AI-supported learning. We also explore:
    • AI and assessment: Why AI-generated feedback might be more valuable before students submit their work.
    • Learning independence: Does relying on AI reduce students' willingness to tackle problems alone?
    • AI tutors: Why asking more questions doesn't necessarily produce better learning outcomes.
    • Teen safety: Common Sense Media's concerning findings about ChatGPT's protections for teenagers.
    • AI adoption: Arden University's Gemini rollout and Microsoft's push to support vocational education teachers.
    Plus, why researchers need to compare AI grading against human-to-human marking consistency before drawing sweeping conclusions. Links to News and Research

    Research

  5. Building Superhumans: Reinventing Schools for the AI Age

    31 minSeason 18 · Episode 8

    What if AI could help us build schools that don't just prepare students for the future, but fundamentally rethink what education should look like? In this episode, Ray and Dan are joined by Will Campbell …

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    What if AI could help us build schools that don't just prepare students for the future, but fundamentally rethink what education should look like?

    In this episode, Ray and Dan are joined by Will Campbell, Founding Head of Franklin School in New Jersey, a school recognised internationally for its innovative approach to education and winner of 2025 World's Best School Prize for Innovation by T4 Education

    Will shares how Franklin has embraced AI from the outset, moving beyond fears of automation to create a learning environment where technology gives teachers time back, challenges students to think more deeply, and develops the human capabilities that matter most.

    The conversation explores:

    • Building the school of the future – rethinking curriculum, timetables and traditional education models.
    • AI and teacher empowerment – how Franklin aims to save teachers 8–9 hours a week while strengthening their professional judgement.
    • Rethinking assessment – why AI should make learning more challenging, not easier.
    • Developing superhuman skills – prioritising critical thinking, ethics, resilience and real-world experiences.
    • Personalised learning – moving beyond age-based progression towards skills, capabilities and student autonomy.

    An inspiring conversation about building schools where AI enhances human potential rather than replacing it.

  6. The AI Learning Paradox: Better Results, Less Learning?

    43 minSeason 18 · Episode 8

    In this episode Ray and Dan explore a whirlwind of AI announcements and research, asking a critical question: Is AI helping students learn, or simply helping them produce better work? Australian universities …

    Show notes

    In this episode Ray and Dan explore a whirlwind of AI announcements and research, asking a critical question: Is AI helping students learn, or simply helping them produce better work?

    Australian universities are going all-in on AI, with UNSW, Flinders and the University of Sydney announcing major rollouts. Meanwhile, New South Wales schools are being warned not to rely on AI detection tools to identify cheating.

    The research raises fascinating questions. Estonia's nationwide AI experiment reveals surprising student resistance to AI tutoring, while OECD PISA data highlights concerning links between frequent AI use and lower assessment scores. New research also explores the Learning Performance Paradox - when AI improves students' work without improving their understanding.

    Ray and Dan also discuss screen time in schools, the disappearance of Custom GPTs and Gems, and why much AI education research needs greater rigour.

    Plus, Ray announces that his complete AI for Humans course is now available free!

    Links and resources

    And finally, did we mention this enough?

  7. Andrew Fuller on AI, neurodiversity and personalised learning

    38 minSeason 18 · Episode 7

    Clinical psychologist and author Andrew Fuller joins Ray and Dan to explore how AI could support neurodivergent learners, strengthen student agency and change the role of teachers. Andrew argues that …

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    Clinical psychologist and author Andrew Fuller joins Ray and Dan to explore how AI could support neurodivergent learners, strengthen student agency and change the role of teachers.

    Andrew argues that neurodiversity should be understood through strengths rather than deficits, and shares practical ways he is already using AI with young people. These include using AI to ask reflective questions, build personalised learning plans, structure revision, prepare for social situations and act as a less confronting source of feedback.

    The conversation also looks at the wider implications for schools. If AI can provide more personalised support, what should teachers spend more time doing? Andrew suggests the opportunity is to reduce routine work and give teachers more space to design strong learning experiences, build relationships and develop judgement and curiosity.

    They also discuss equity, assessment, AI literacy, school change and why educators may get further by treating AI as something to experiment with, rather than another task to master.

    More info

    Connect with Andrew on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-fuller-2238a325/

    Andrew's MyLearningStrengths website is at https://www.mylearningstrengths.com/

    More info on Andrew's professional services centred on Resilience, psychology, brains and learning for schools, parents, students and professionals at https://andrewfuller.com.au/

    And finally, here's where Andrew shares his brilliant free resources for schools, students and parents: https://andrewfuller.com.au/free-resources/

  8. Don't Panic: AI Might End Humanity, But Apparently Laptops Ended Education First

    44 minSeason 18 · Episode 6

    This week on the AI in Education Podcast, Ray is taking a well-earned break, hopefully enjoying a piña colada somewhere sunny while still keeping one eye on the week's AI headlines. Joining Dan as special …

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    This week on the AI in Education Podcast, Ray is taking a well-earned break, hopefully enjoying a piña colada somewhere sunny while still keeping one eye on the week's AI headlines. Joining Dan as special co-host is Chris Goodall, education leader from the Bourne Education Trust in the UK. Together they unpack one of the most extraordinary weeks of AI news in recent memory, from warnings of existential risk and calls to slow AI development, through to debates about trust, regulation and whether "move fast and break things" is finally coming to an end.

    The conversation then shifts to back to education, where the release of the latest PISA results has reignited debates about screen time, technology and student outcomes. Are laptops really to blame for declining results? Or are we falling into the trap of confusing correlation with causation?

    Note: This episode was recorded before the news of the OpenAI Australian government Medicare hack, details of which can be found here: Why Australia chose the world's biggest political stage to reveal OpenAI hack

    Sources mentioned

  9. Dr Phil Cummins: The Tide Is In — AI Is Here

    29 minSeason 18 · Episode 5

    AI is already changing education. So why are we still trying to hold back the tide? In this episode, Dan and Ray are joined by Dr Phil Cummins, educator, author, co-host of the Game Changers podcast, and …

    Show notes

    AI is already changing education. So why are we still trying to hold back the tide? In this episode, Dan and Ray are joined by Dr Phil Cummins, educator, author, co-host of the Game Changers podcast, and Professor of Practice in Education and Leadership at the University of Sydney. Phil argues that education needs to stop "pearl-clutching" over AI and start thinking seriously about what it means for assessment, curriculum and the role of teachers. If students are already using AI, how do we design authentic assessment around the knowledge, skills, dispositions, habits and wisdom we actually want them to develop? The conversation ranges from Phil's beginnings teaching Latin to character education, equity, oracy and the danger of educational fads. At its heart is a powerful argument for the enduring importance of teachers: technology should amplify human relationships, not replace them. For school leaders, Phil's message is refreshingly straightforward: treat AI as a game, learn to use the tools, and find a way to win the game of AI.

    Links for more information

    A School for tomorrow, Phil's education consulting/research organisation

    Game Changers podcast Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/game-changers/id1503430745 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/5WoY7gvWZUWt4Iu3gL2atd?si=41f298a05db2415f

    Sydney Character Initiative from the University of Sydney Phil's latest book, On Character

    And finally, if you're not sure about the reference to "The Solihull Hospital", then you're in for a treat from the BBC's "Yes, Minister" series: Get some patients - Yes, Minister - BBC

  10. Is AI in Education Reaching an Inflection Point?

    25 minSeason 18 · Episode 4

    Recorded live at the National Education Summit in Melbourne, this episode explores whether AI in education has reached an inflection point. Ray and Dan unpack a series of recent stories showing how quickly AI …

    Show notes

    Recorded live at the National Education Summit in Melbourne, this episode explores whether AI in education has reached an inflection point. Ray and Dan unpack a series of recent stories showing how quickly AI is becoming part of wider debates about education, employment, policy and trust. They look at industrial negotiations at the University of Sydney, where staff are seeking consultation over how AI is introduced, and compare that with AI-related provisions already included in Adelaide University's enterprise agreement. As part of the discussion they mentioned The University of Sydney's Cogniti AI, and a previous podcast episode with Dan Hart talking about the university's AI Hub.

    They also examine headlines claiming an AI chatbot is "teaching" psychology students at Macquarie University - and the university's response that the tool is supplementary and does not replace academic staff. The conversation then turns to New York City's restrictions on generative AI for younger students, alongside plans for AI critical-thinking education in high schools. Underlying it all is a bigger question: as AI becomes mainstream in education, can the conversation remain balanced - and should the podcast hear more from sceptics, critics and those challenging the direction of travel?

    Want to contribute to the discussion? Email us at [email protected]

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  11. Inside Oxford's AI Competency Centre: Rethinking Assessment and Authorship

    43 minSeason 18 · Episode 3

    What does authorship mean when AI can help us turn our ideas into polished academic writing? And how should universities rethink assessment as those tools become part of everyday life? In this episode, we're …

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    What does authorship mean when AI can help us turn our ideas into polished academic writing? And how should universities rethink assessment as those tools become part of everyday life? In this episode, we're joined by Kelly Webb-Davies, Lead Education AI Consultant at the University of Oxford's AI Competency Centre, to explore how Oxford is approaching AI across the institution, from providing tools and training staff and students to building AI capability responsibly. Kelly takes us on her journey in teaching and learning, and challenges some fundamental assumptions about language, writing and authorship. Drawing on her background in linguistics and education, she argues that we need to distinguish between a student's intellectual contribution and the language used to express it. Along the way, we discuss AI detection, linguistic equity, cognitive engagement, oral assessment and why universities may need to rethink what they're actually trying to assess.

    Further Reading from Kelly:

    Kelly's VFWA Assessment Model https://kellywebbdavies.com/vfwa/

    Kelly's DETAP framework https://kellywebbdavies.com/detap/

    The AI Inherent Risk Scale (AIIRS) Framework, from Kelly, Dr Mark Bassett and Ella Wicks https://aiirs.ai/

    Further reading from other sources:

    Kelly talked about the ICAP Framework from ASU https://icap.education.asu.edu/

    When talking about writing in your voice, Kelly mentioned Kane Murdoch's blog, which is at https://www.guerillawarfare.net/

    And Dan mentioned Sharon Oviatt's book, The Design of Future Educational Interfaces https://www.researchgate.net/publication/286180010_The_Design_of_Future_Educational_Interfaces

  12. AI in Education: Who Gets to Decide?

    35 minSeason 18 · Episode 2

    Who gets to decide how AI is used in education? Government decides what happens to assessment. Google decides whether Gemini appears by default. OpenAI and parents decide controls for teenagers. Universities …

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    Who gets to decide how AI is used in education? Government decides what happens to assessment. Google decides whether Gemini appears by default. OpenAI and parents decide controls for teenagers. Universities and unions decide workplace AI arrangements. Regulators decide expectations around consent. And schools are trying to work out what they should decide.

    In this episode, Dan and Ray explore that question through a packed week of AI in education news. They look at Australia's response to AI and take-home assessment, the arrival of parental controls in ChatGPT for Teens, and why Ray is uncomfortable with Google enabling Gemini by default for students. The conversation moves from the classroom to the workplace, with Adelaide University putting AI transparency, human oversight and staff consultation into its enterprise agreement, while new ASQA guidance raises important questions about consent and the use of student data in AI systems. They also unpack new Australian eSafety research into children's use of AI assistants and companions, and tackle the increasingly heated debate about data centres, energy and water use. As Ray puts it, "We're building this plane as we fly it." The challenge is making sure education still gets a say in where it's going.

    Here's the links to go deeper into our topics:

    Watch: Moment robot beats Usain Bolt's 100m record in China

    How education departments across the country are cracking down on students using AI to cheat Education Minister Jason Clare says AI must support learning, not replace it Revealed: The NSW universities using AI in lectures and as 'study buddies'

    AI labs begin to muscle in on $6tn education market

    Datacentres: The New NSW Regulations

    ChatGPT for Teens

    Google turns on Gemini AI for students using its classroom app

    An Australian first: Adelaide University's new enterprise agreement has explicit provisions on the use of AI in the workplace.

    Australia's Vocational Education regulator starts to catch up with responsible AI

    Talking to machines: Children's experiences with AI assistants and companions As discussed, good stuff on this from Tim kitchen https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-ai-becomes-someone-talk-tim-kitchen-3vznc

  13. When Does AI Help Learning - and When Does It Replace It?

    37 minSeason 18 · Episode 1

    What does the research actually tell us about when generative AI helps learning, and when it starts to replace it? Ray and Dan are joined by Dr Natasha Arthars and Dr Hongzhi (Veronica) Yang from the University …

    Show notes

    What does the research actually tell us about when generative AI helps learning, and when it starts to replace it?

    Ray and Dan are joined by Dr Natasha Arthars and Dr Hongzhi (Veronica) Yang from the University of Sydney, and Dr Matthew Hill from the Barker Institute, to explore the new "Young People, Learning and Generative AI" report.

    Drawing together a huge body of research, the report moves the conversation beyond whether AI is simply "good" or "bad" for education. Instead, it identifies the conditions that determine whether AI supports genuine learning.

    The conversation explores the learner at the centre; the design of the AI tool; the learning task; who else is involved; and the wider cultural and institutional context. Ray learns the difference between cognition and metacognition, and we discuss strategic cognitive offloading, and a crucial new skill for students: deciding what to delegate to AI and what thinking they need to retain themselves.

    Ultimately, the question for educators becomes: is AI supporting the learning goal, or replacing the learning?

    The Young People, Learning and Generative AI report is online at: https://doi.org/10.25910/89n4-a383 For more project information, and webinar recordings, head to: https://bit.ly/GenAILiterature-Launch

  14. Is AI Helping Students Perform, or Actually Learn?

    39 minSeason 17 · Episode 15

    This week, Ray and Dan end up discussing a fundamental question: what is education actually for in the age of AI? They explore new EU AI Act transparency requirements and the emerging role of AI watermarking …

    Show notes

    This week, Ray and Dan end up discussing a fundamental question: what is education actually for in the age of AI?

    They explore new EU AI Act transparency requirements and the emerging role of AI watermarking, including what this could mean for the often-unreliable world of AI detection.

    The conversation then turns to assessment. With Australian policymakers questioning take-home assessment and universities rethinking assessment for an AI-enabled world, Ray and Dan discuss why the goal isn't simply to make assessment "AI-proof", but to ensure students are still developing knowledge, judgement, creativity and critical thinking.

    They also examine major new research into young people's use of generative AI from the Barker Institute and University of Sydney. Across 271 peer-reviewed studies, the evidence suggests AI can improve students' immediate performance and engagement - but better performance doesn't necessarily mean better learning.

    Finally, they explore "hybrid reading": how students are using AI to orient themselves, clarify difficult concepts, translate academic language and check their own understanding.

    Mentioned in this episode:

    Matthew Wemyss' guide to EU AI Act transparency requirements Information on Claude's watermarking of AI text - and a geeky read about how it does it New education plugins in ChatGPT Edu Jason Lodge on AI and assessment NSW's news on 'take home' assessments South Australia's Royal Commission into AI Kelly Ilich on teaching standards in the age of AI Danny Liu & Adam Bridgeman's "What Should Education Look Like in the Age of AI?" Barker Institute's research paper "Young People, Learning and Generative AI" Research from Deakin University's CRADLE team on hybrid reading practices

  15. The Hidden Gender Gap in AI Education, with Juliana Peloche

    35 minSeason 17 · Episode 14

    The Hidden Gender Gap in AI Education, with Juliana Peloche In this episode of the AI in Education Podcast, we welcome Juliana Peloche to explore one of the most important (and often overlooked) conversations …

    Show notes
    The Hidden Gender Gap in AI Education, with Juliana Peloche In this episode of the AI in Education Podcast, we welcome Juliana Peloche to explore one of the most important (and often overlooked) conversations in educational AI: the gender gap. Juliana shares how a Year 5 student's curiosity about AI sparked her own research journey, leading to a PhD and, ultimately, the co-founding of Women in AI Australia. Together, we discuss why representation matters (see Will Artificial Intelligence Get in the Way of Achieving Gender Equality?), the barriers women continue to face in AI (see HBR's Women Are Avoiding AI. Will Their Careers Suffer? and Global Evidence on Gender Gaps and Generative AI Over Time) and what educators, institutions and industry can do to create more inclusive opportunities. The conversation hears about new research into how female university students are using AI, revealing surprising findings around ethics, trust, academic integrity, and confidence with AI tools. We also explore AI bias, the importance of visible role models, and practical ways schools and universities can encourage more women to lead in the field. Links and resources: Women in AI Australia Learn more about the Women in AI Australia upcoming events Connect with Juliana Peloche on LinkedIn Go deeper: Ray's free AI for Humans course covers this in "Bias in, bias out - spotting unfair patterns"

  16. Two Free AI Resources Every Teacher Should Download

    47 minSeason 17 · Episode 13

    Two Free AI Resources Every Teacher Should Download Lee Barrett joins Ray to unpack the biggest AI in education news and research. This week, while Dan enjoys the Pacific Northwest, Ray is joined by returning …

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    Two Free AI Resources Every Teacher Should Download Lee Barrett joins Ray to unpack the biggest AI in education news and research.

    This week, while Dan enjoys the Pacific Northwest, Ray is joined by returning guest Lee Barrett (from CEnet) for a wide-ranging discussion on the latest AI in education news and research.

    The episode explores why one of the world's leading law schools is restricting technology in first-year classes while embracing AI later in the course, what Anthropic's new Claude for Teachers initiative could mean for educators, and why headlines about AI "writing" university assignments deserve much closer scrutiny.

    The conversation also dives into five new research papers covering AI-assisted teaching, student feedback, assessment reform, learning analytics, and how students are really using AI in higher education.

    Along the way, Ray and Lee discuss why assessment - not AI detection - is becoming education's biggest challenge; why productive struggle still matters; and why good teaching remains at the heart of meaningful learning.

    This week's free resources Show Your Work: Assessment in the Age of AI – a practical collection of ideas for designing assessment in an AI-enabled world. The Science of Learning and Generative AI: A Practical Guide for Secondary Teachers – a research-informed guide from La Trobe University that connects learning science with practical classroom use of AI.

    News mentioned Chicago Law School's first-year technology changes Anthropic's Claude for Teachers More than 50% of Australian university assignments used AI - and Turnitin's Learning Integrity Insights Report

    AI in Education Research Reports

  17. Why AI in Education Starts With Better Conversations: Dr Jo Orlando

    39 minSeason 17 · Episode 12

    How can schools and parents help young people navigate AI while supporting learning, wellbeing and critical thinking? In this episode, Dan and Ray are joined by digital wellbeing researcher Dr Jo Orlando to …

    Show notes

    How can schools and parents help young people navigate AI while supporting learning, wellbeing and critical thinking? In this episode, Dan and Ray are joined by digital wellbeing researcher Dr Jo Orlando to explore how AI is reshaping education and the lives of young people. They discuss AI literacy, digital wellbeing, equity, social media, and why understanding how students actually use technology is essential. Jo shares practical advice for educators and parents, arguing that the most important tool isn't another policy—it's better conversations. A thoughtful discussion on helping students use AI as a thinking partner, rather than letting AI do the thinking for them.

    Jo's website is https://www.joanneorlando.com.au/ for more details on her, her book, and her professional work.

    Jo's book, Generation Connected, is available on as both a printed and audiobook

  18. Higher Marks, Lower Learning? AI's Favourite Magic Trick

    52 minSeason 17 · Episode 11

    Higher Marks, Lower Learning? AI's Favourite Magic Trick This week, Ray and Dan unpack a bumper collection of AI in education news and research, all pointing to one critical question: Is AI helping students …

    Show notes

    Higher Marks, Lower Learning? AI's Favourite Magic Trick

    This week, Ray and Dan unpack a bumper collection of AI in education news and research, all pointing to one critical question: Is AI helping students learn…or just helping them score higher?

    The episode begins with a striking case from Brown University, where a take-home exam averaged 96%, only for the same cohort to average 48% in a supervised final. From there, Ray and Dan explore what the latest research says about AI-assisted assessment, automated marking, AI tutors, critical thinking, and the growing importance of student agency.

    They also discuss:

    • New evidence on AI marking compared with human examiners
    • Research showing how guided AI tutoring can improve maths learning
    • Why critical thinking is the biggest predictor of successful AI use
    • The risks of "never-skilling" when students rely too heavily on AI
    • AI detectors: what they can (and can't) reliably tell us
    • New Australian data on AI's impact on employment
    • The latest Digital Education Council survey of university students
    • Online safety and the growing challenge of AI-assisted image abuse

    As always, the episode is packed with practical insights, research summaries, and plenty of discussion about what all this means for educators, schools and universities.

    Links - News

    Links - Research

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  19. What schools and small business can teach each other about AI

    31 minSeason 17 · Episode 10

    Most Australian students won't graduate into global tech companies. They'll build careers in small and medium businesses. So are schools and universities preparing them for that reality? In this episode, Dan …

    Show notes

    Most Australian students won't graduate into global tech companies. They'll build careers in small and medium businesses. So are schools and universities preparing them for that reality?

    In this episode, Dan and Ray are joined by Amanda Rose - Co-founder and Director of Women in AI Australia and Founder & CEO of Entrepreneurial & Small Business Women Australia (ESBWA) -to explore what education can learn from the businesses driving Australia's economy.

    Amanda shares practical advice on introducing AI without losing critical thinking, why educators should partner with local businesses to bring authentic problem-solving into the classroom, and how simple AI policies can help schools and organisations move from uncertainty to action. The conversation also tackles AI equity, bias in AI systems, and why students need to develop their own voice and judgement before relying on AI tools.

    If you're a teacher, school leader, university educator or anyone interested in preparing learners for an AI-enabled workforce, this episode offers practical strategies you can put into practice straight away.

    Find out more about:

    Women in AI Australia Entrepreneurial & Small Business Women Australia (ESBWA)

  20. We've Read the AI Reports So You Don't Have To - Series 17, Episode 9

    45 minSeason 17 · Episode 9

    This week, Ray and Dan dive into a mountain of new AI in education research, so you don't have to. They unpack major reports from around the world covering how students are really using AI, why schools are …

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    This week, Ray and Dan dive into a mountain of new AI in education research, so you don't have to. They unpack major reports from around the world covering how students are really using AI, why schools are still struggling to provide clear guidance, and what the latest AI literacy and education readiness frameworks mean for teachers and leaders. Along the way they discuss Norway's AI restrictions in primary schools, student concerns about AI data centres, new guidance on AI in assessment, and the growing importance of the human skills that AI can't replace. If you're trying to make sense of where AI in education is heading, this episode brings together the latest evidence, trends and practical insights in one conversation. And hopefully you won't have to read all the reports below, but our conversation has given you a head start to find the right one(s) for you!

    Power Toys (to turn your Copilot button into a shortcut for any AI) https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/keyboard-manager

    EU: Norway imposes near ban on AI in elementary schools https://www.reuters.com/technology/norway-imposes-near-ban-ai-elementary-school-2026-06-19/

    Australia: Sunshine Coast students push back as Australia positions itself as a global AI leader https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-06-23/students-protest-ai-amid-growing-national-concerns/106808776

    UK: Navigating AI in Education - Pupils' perspectives on the role of AI in the classroom https://fdslive.oup.com/www.oup.com/oxed/research-reports/Navigating_AI_in_Education_Research_Report_June2026_v05.pdf

    US: Common Sense Media Census: AI use by Teens and Tweens https://www.commonsensemedia.org/research/a-comprehensive-report-on-teens-tweens-and-ai

    Australia: Learning First School Research https://learningfirst.com/s/Learning-First_AI-use-in-schools-Taking-action-now_FINAL.pdf

    Global: AI Literacy Framework from OECD & EC https://ailiteracyframework.org/

    Global: New WEF report: Shaping the Future of Learning: Education Readiness for the Age of AI https://www.weforum.org/publications/shaping-the-future-of-learning-education-readiness-for-the-age-of-ai/

    Australia: AI in Higher Education Research in Australia https://aiinhe.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/2026-hedx-conference-260617_0114.pdf

    US: Lumina Foundation/Gallup - "AI in Higher Education: Widespread Use, Unclear Rules" https://www.luminafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/Lumina-Foundation-Gallup-SOHE_AI_Report.pdf

    Australia: TEQSA's new guidance on detecting AI use in student assessments https://www.teqsa.gov.au/guides-resources/protecting-academic-integrity/academic-integrity-toolkit/risks-academic-integrity-ai/detecting-plagiarism-ai-generated-text-student-assessments-and-securing-take-home-written-assessments

    Global: Preparing students for the future of work from Microsoft https://info.microsoft.com/ww-landing-preparing-students-for-the-future-of-work.html

    Global: QS World Future Skills Index https://www.qs.com/world-future-skills-index/2027

  21. Victoria Hedlund on AI bias: What every teacher needs to know

    45 minSeason 17 · Episode 8

    AI systems are increasingly being used in education, but what happens when those systems introduce hidden bias into learning, feedback, assessment and career advice? In this episode, we're joined by Victoria …

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    AI systems are increasingly being used in education, but what happens when those systems introduce hidden bias into learning, feedback, assessment and career advice?

    In this episode, we're joined by Victoria Hedlund (AKA The AI Bias Girl), founder of GenEd Labs, former physics teacher, consultant and researcher specialising in AI bias in education.

    Victoria shares practical examples of how AI tools can produce different outputs based on gender, names, backgrounds and other personal characteristics. From explanations of how a light bulb works to career guidance and assessment, we explore how seemingly small biases can compound over time and influence attainment, wellbeing and opportunity.

    The conversation covers AI tutors, safeguarding concerns, assessment risks, the importance of keeping humans in the loop, and why educators need to adopt a more experimental mindset when working with generative AI.

    This is a thought-provoking discussion about fairness, agency and what every teacher needs to know as AI becomes increasingly embedded in education.

    For more background, here's two bits of Victoria's writing:

    Deep dive on using AI for marking https://victoriahedlund.substack.com/p/bias-bytes-special-edition-evidence

    Deep dive on Squishmallow Top Trumps https://www.linkedin.com/posts/victoriamhedlund_biasgirl-biasaware-chatgpt-ugcPost-7452959849623220225-bIWG

    And finally, free downloads from Victoria, including 8 bias-mitigating prompts for teachers, and a growing set of other resources on AI bias in education. https://genedlabs.ai/downloads Go deeper: Ray's free AI for Humans course covers this in "Bias in, bias out - spotting unfair patterns"

  22. More A's, More Fails: What AI Is Really Doing to Student Performance

    37 minSeason 17 · Episode 7

    What happens when AI helps students earn more A grades, and also contributes to more failures when it's taken away? In this episode, Ray and Dan explore new research on AI's impact on student performance …

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    What happens when AI helps students earn more A grades, and also contributes to more failures when it's taken away?

    In this episode, Ray and Dan explore new research on AI's impact on student performance, assessment integrity, and learning. They discuss studies linking AI to rising grades, the risks of over-reliance on AI, and growing evidence that AI tutors may support learning better than general-purpose chatbots.

    The conversation also covers AI detectors, AI humanisers, teacher workload, Microsoft's latest Copilot updates, and a new tool for measuring the environmental footprint of AI use.

    AI in Education Research Papers AI News

  23. Flourishing in the Age of AI: Schools Putting Humans First

    19 minSeason 17 · Episode 6

    What does it mean to put humans first in the age of AI? Recorded at the Flourish Conference, this special episode brings together three school leaders who are using AI in very different ways, and with a common …

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    What does it mean to put humans first in the age of AI?

    Recorded at the Flourish Conference, this special episode brings together three school leaders who are using AI in very different ways, and with a common focus on human agency.

    You'll hear how students are designing their own learning agents, how AI can help teachers make better use of student data while keeping information secure, and how one school is using AI-powered coaching tools to support professional learning and culture change.

    Across all three stories, a clear message emerges: the most effective AI initiatives aren't replacing people - they're helping students and teachers flourish.

    Featuring:

    Alison Perosin (Our Lady of Perpetual Succour, Broken Bay Diocese) Hamish Jefferies (John Therry Catholic College) Renée Williams (The Cathedral College, Rockhampton)

    A practical look at how schools are building capability, trust and innovation with AI.

  24. Why One Law School Just Banned AI

    41 minSeason 17 · Episode 5

    Why would a leading law school ban AI entirely while other countries are giving every citizen access to ChatGPT? In this news-focused episode, Ray and Dan unpack some of the biggest developments shaping AI and …

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    Why would a leading law school ban AI entirely while other countries are giving every citizen access to ChatGPT?

    In this news-focused episode, Ray and Dan unpack some of the biggest developments shaping AI and education around the world. They discuss China's new national AI education strategy, Malta's ambitious "AI for All" programme, Harvard's expansion of student AI access, and Anthropic's $200 million partnership with the Gates Foundation.

    The conversation explores a controversial decision by the University of California, Berkeley School of Law to prohibit AI use in assessed work, raising important questions about judgement, employability, and the future role of AI in professional education.

    They also examine new research on how people are actually using AI, why Australian students' digital literacy is falling despite increased screen time, and what educators can learn from a high-profile academic integrity case involving an AI-assisted newspaper article.

    Finally, they highlight Jason La Greca's excellent framework for testing and stress-testing educational chatbots before they are deployed to students.

    All the links:

    China launches AI empowering education action plan, includes AI into teacher qualification exams https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202604/1358611.shtml The Amazon-Perplexity Ruling and Implications for "Agentic AI" in EdTech https://www.rumidocs.com/newsroom/the-amazon-perplexity-ruling-and-implications-for-agentic-ai-in-edtech Malta gives every Maltese (at home and abroad!) ChatGPT free - with a catch https://openai.com/index/malta-chatgpt-plus-partnership/ Harvard students avoid uni-provided ChatGPT https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2026/4/28/fas-anthropic-claude/ Anthropic's forms $200M partnership with the Gates Foundation https://www.anthropic.com/news/gates-foundation-partnership University of California Berkeley School of Law bans AI https://www.law.berkeley.edu/academics/registrar/academic-rules/artificial-intelligence-policy/ Australian students' digital literacy at an all time low https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-27/school-students-digital-literacy-at-new-low-test-shows/106724164 How people are really using AI https://hbr.org/2026/06/how-people-are-really-using-ai-in-2026 Walton Family Foundation Educator Research: closing the expectations gap https://www.gallup.com/analytics/659819/k-12-teacher-research.aspx From the "You couldn't make this up" department https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jun/03/sydney-academic-used-ai-opinion-piece-urging-students-to-avoid-using-it-ntwnfb https://www.smh.com.au/national/uni-academic-admits-she-used-ai-to-write-opinion-piece-in-defence-of-ai-20260602-p6038j.html Can you spot AI writing? https://fakewriters.onrender.com/ How to break your chatbot - from Jason La Greca https://teachyourselfout.substack.com/p/the-ultimate-jailbreak-test-suite

  25. Pasi Sahlberg on AI and Flourishing in education

    32 minSeason 17 · Episode 4

    What is the purpose of education in an AI-driven world? In this thought-provoking episode of the AI in Education Podcast, Ray and Dan sit down with Pasi Sahlberg to explore one of the biggest questions facing …

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    What is the purpose of education in an AI-driven world?

    In this thought-provoking episode of the AI in Education Podcast, Ray and Dan sit down with Pasi Sahlberg to explore one of the biggest questions facing schools, universities, and society today.

    Drawing on global research, OECD trends, and decades of educational leadership, Pasi explains why traditional measures of success - achievement, credentials, and test performance - may no longer be enough in the age of AI.

    The conversation explores:

    • Human capital vs human flourishing
    • Why wellbeing and agency matter more than ever
    • The future of assessment and PISA
    • AI's impact on work, learning, and society
    • Why "hope is not a strategy"
    • What schools should prioritise over the next decade

    The episode also reflects on parenting, teacher accountability, screen time, and the human skills that may become most valuable as AI capabilities accelerate.

    Referenced in this episode:

    OECD Education for Human Flourishing. https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/education-for-human-flourishing_73d7cb96-en.html

    An accidental guru: The making of an education warrior https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073805932600060X

    Sir Ken Robinson at TED - Do Schools Kill Creativity? https://www.ted.com/talks/sir_ken_robinson_do_schools_kill_creativity

    .

  26. Flourish: The Human Role in AI and Education

    33 minSeason 17 · Episode 3

    This special live episode of the AI in Education Podcast was recorded at the CEnet Future:Forward Conference "Flourish 2026", where Dan and Ray explored one of the biggest questions facing education today: how …

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    This special live episode of the AI in Education Podcast was recorded at the CEnet Future:Forward Conference "Flourish 2026", where Dan and Ray explored one of the biggest questions facing education today: how do schools find the "happy middle" with AI?

    The conversation dives into the shifting narrative around AI and jobs, the growing role of human agency in education, and why wellbeing, flourishing and trust must remain central as AI adoption accelerates. Along the way, they unpack new research on AI bias, AI detectors, cognitive debt, student safety, and the widening gap between individual innovation and organisational readiness.

    The episode also reflects on keynote insights from Pasi Sahlberg and discussions around OECD flourishing metrics, parent engagement, and what schools can do now to bring entire communities along on the AI journey.

    This is a thoughtful, practical and deeply human conversation about balancing opportunity, risk and responsibility in education's AI future.

    Topics covered:

    • AI and the future of work
    • Human flourishing and wellbeing
    • AI bias in education
    • Safe AI use in schools
    • Parent and community engagement
    • AI detectors and academic integrity
    • The "happy middle" approach to technology adoption

    Research Papers, and links to things we discussed

  27. Inside Sydney's AI Hub: Building University Automation That Works

    22 minSeason 17 · Episode 2

    Inside Sydney's AI Hub: Building University Automation That Works In this episode, Dan and Ray are joined by Dan Hart, now leading the Automation and Innovation Hub at the University of Sydney. Dan shares how …

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    Inside Sydney's AI Hub: Building University Automation That Works In this episode, Dan and Ray are joined by Dan Hart, now leading the Automation and Innovation Hub at the University of Sydney. Dan shares how the Hub has evolved from a robotic process automation team into a university-wide service using automation and AI to improve everyday work. With around 400 automated processes running across the university, the team helps staff remove repetitive, time-consuming tasks without taking away the human parts of their roles. The conversation explores practical examples, including AI-powered invoice processing, and how generative AI is changing the software development lifecycle. Dan explains how tools like Cursor and AI-assisted coding are speeding up development, while also raising important questions about security, code quality, workload intensity, and developer wellbeing. The episode also dives into vibe coding, what it means for enterprise systems, and why the future of software development may depend less on hand-writing code and more on communication, problem-solving, and understanding users.

  28. What we learned from teachers at Sydney's Day of AI

    34 minSeason 17 · Episode 1

    We kick off Series 17 with a multi-interview episode! Recorded live at the The Anglican Schools Corporation "Day of AI" in Western Sydney, this episode brings together three educators who are reshaping …

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    We kick off Series 17 with a multi-interview episode!

    Recorded live at the The Anglican Schools Corporation "Day of AI" in Western Sydney, this episode brings together three educators who are reshaping teaching, assessment and student learning in real classrooms with AI.

    You'll hear from Maria Mertzanakis at Oran Park Anglican College on how teachers are building shared "Brains" in NotebookLM to save time, improve differentiation and support pedagogy, while reducing workload by more than 50 hours a week across staff workflows.

    Nathan Jones from Marsden Park Anglican College shares how AI is opening new creative possibilities for students and teachers alike, and why schools needed to guide students toward using AI well rather than trying to ban it.

    And Patrick Ell from Roseville College explores what happens in a "post-product world", where assessment can no longer rely on trust in the final submission alone. His focus? Designing learning experiences that value process, thinking and cognitive craft.

    We had a lovely grounded, practical and optimistic conversation with these teachers, who are leading from the front as schools navigate the realities of AI in education. Really great to have been invited to attend and participate by Julian Ridden, the TASC Head of AI.

  29. The Castlereagh Moment: Education at a Turning Point with AI?

    38 minSeason 16 · Episode 14

    This week's episode explores a defining moment for education in the age of AI. Fresh from a week of major events in Sydney, including the Microsoft AI Summit, Dan and Ray unpack the newly released Castlereagh …

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    This week's episode explores a defining moment for education in the age of AI.

    Fresh from a week of major events in Sydney, including the Microsoft AI Summit, Dan and Ray unpack the newly released Castlereagh Statement - a collaboration between 70+ education leaders calling for urgent change across schools, universities, and training systems. Their message is clear: education isn't ready for the speed and scale of AI disruption.

    But that's only part of the story.

    We're also seeing a growing pushback on technology in classrooms, with schools limiting screen time and universities questioning device use; while, at the same time, new AI-first models like AI-led tutoring and mastery-based learning are emerging rapidly.

    Add to that a widening gap between what employers expect and what graduates can actually do with AI, plus billions being invested in infrastructure and skills, and it's clear: something has to change.

    We also dive into the latest research on AI in teaching, from new peer learning models to rethinking assessment and feedback.

    This episode connects the dots across policy, practice, and innovation.

    Resources discussed this week

    Research Papers

  30. From Classroom to Impact: How Dawn Knight Uses AI to Help Students Thrive

    36 minSeason 16 · Episode 13

    In this episode, we're joined by Dawn Knight, a sustainability lead and specialist support educator working with deaf students in a UK secondary school (Epsom and Ewell High School). Dawn shares how she's using …

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    In this episode, we're joined by Dawn Knight, a sustainability lead and specialist support educator working with deaf students in a UK secondary school (Epsom and Ewell High School). Dawn shares how she's using AI in simple, practical ways to make learning more accessible - not just for students with additional needs, but for everyone in the classroom. From generating transcripts and differentiated resources to using AI as a planning "checklist," Dawn explains how these tools are helping her save time and reinvest it where it matters most: supporting students directly. The conversation explores how technology originally designed for accessibility - like captions and transcription - is now benefiting all learners, and why inclusive approaches to AI can unlock better outcomes across the board. We also dive into the realities of AI adoption in schools: what works, what doesn't, and why starting small is often the best approach. Dawn offers a refreshingly grounded perspective, showing that you don't need to be a technical expert to make a real impact. If you're looking for practical ways to use AI to support students and improve classroom experiences, this episode is full of ideas you can start using today.

    This might also be the ideal episode to share with any colleagues who are at the beginning of their AI in teaching journey

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