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NewEpisode 30: Beyond the Lab: When Animals Become Research PartnersOctober 28, 2026 · 1 h 10 min
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Campaigning for a future where no animals are harmed in the name of science, and scientific progress is advanced through animal-free research methods.

Opinions expressed by guests in the AFSA podcast are their own and independent of AFSA.

Episodes 27

  1. Episode 30: Beyond the Lab: When Animals Become Research Partners

    1 h 10 minEpisode 30

    In this episode, host Dr. Dana Kolsky speaks with Dr. Adam Cardillini, an environmental scientist exploring the interconnection between animal ethics, conservation, and societal change. Dr. Cardillini discusses …

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    In this episode, host Dr. Dana Kolsky speaks with Dr. Adam Cardillini, an environmental scientist exploring the
    interconnection between animal ethics, conservation, and societal change. Dr. Cardillini discusses his journey from conducting traditional scientific research — which involved ethically challenging practices with animals — to advocating for transformative changes in the way scientific research considers animal well-being and moral value.

    The conversation centers around the need for transparency and reform in animal research practices. Dr. Cardillini critically examines the prevalent culture in scientific research that often denies the intrinsic value of animals, leading to ethically questionable practices covered under the guise of scientific necessity. He further emphasizes the importance of recognizing animals as "research partners."

    Dive into their thought-provoking discussion on fostering more ethical relationships with animals and the environment.

    Read the transcript here.

    For more information on the effects of animal research on the environment, click here.
    Learn about Dr. Cardillini's work on Google Scholar and visit his profiles at Deakin University and Panworks.

  2. Episode 29: The Science of Confinement: Exploring the Psychological Impacts on Research Animals

    1 h 7 minEpisode 29

    Join AFSA's Dr. Dana Kolsky and renowned neuroscientist Dr. Garet Lahvis as they delve into the ethical issues of animal research, with a focus on the mental wellbeing of animals in laboratories. Dr. Lahvis …

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    Join AFSA's Dr. Dana Kolsky and renowned neuroscientist Dr. Garet Lahvis as they delve into the ethical issues of animal research, with a focus on the mental wellbeing of animals in laboratories. Dr. Lahvis shares his journey from a key researcher to an advocate against animal confinement in laboratories. Explore the limitations of animal models in studying human conditions, understand the role of ethics committees, and consider alternatives to traditional research methods. This insightful discussion challenges the current scientific practices and highlights the need for a more compassionate and innovative approach.

    Read the episode transcript here.

    About our guest:


    Dr. Garrett Lahvis is a former professor of behavioral neuroscience at Oregon Health and Science University in Portland. He holds degrees in ecology and evolutionary biology, natural resources, toxicology, and immunology. Dr. Lahvis has published over 40 scientific papers and received two literary awards plus a Pushcart Prize nomination. He is renowned for his research on social emotions such as empathy in mice. His journey into questioning the validity and ethics of animal research models due to their inadequate living conditions led him to cease his work in animal research, steering his expertise towards authorship with a forthcoming book for the University of Chicago Press.

    Dr. Lahvis outlines his journey departing from traditional research in favor of advocating for the dignity and welfare of animals and highlighting the conflict scientists face between their research outcomes and the conditions laboratory animals endure. His perspectives challenge the norms within scientific communities and urge a reevaluation of fundamental research approaches, calling for the acknowledgement of the intricate experiences of animals.


    Visit www.animalfreesci.org.au for more information on animal testing, non-animal research models and more.


    Follow Dr Garet Lahvis:

    – garetlahvis.com

    – X: x.com/GLahvis,

    – Bluesky: garetlahvis.bsky.social

    Wherever you get your podcasts, be sure to tune in to AFSA for more thought-provoking content!

  3. Episode 28: Bold and Brave: The Stories and Strategies Behind Animal Rising's Fight Against Animal Testing

    1 h 2 minEpisode 28

    Join Dr. Dana Kolsky on the AFSA podcast as she delves into the world of animal rights activism with Nathan McGovern from Animal Rising. Discover insights into their controversial campaigns against animal …

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    Join Dr. Dana Kolsky on the AFSA podcast as she delves into the world of animal rights activism with Nathan McGovern from Animal Rising. Discover insights into their controversial campaigns against animal testing, particularly targeting the MBR Acres beagle breeding facility, and the legal ramifications that followed. McGovern shares his journey into activism, the power of open rescue, and the future of animal testing in the UK. This episode highlights the complexities of ethical protest, legal consequences, and the evolving landscape of animal rights advocacy.

    For more information on Animal Rising and their campaigns head to https://www.animalrising.org/
    Or, visit their Facebook and Instagram.

    To see AFSA's campaign for mandatory rehoming of research dogs and cats click here.


    For the full show transcript click here.

    Thanks for listening!

  4. Episode 27: The Hidden Truth: How Australians Really Feel About Animal Testing

    20 minEpisode 27

    In this episode of the AFSA Podcast, Dr. Dana Kolsky and Dr. Elena Schaller unravel the findings of our 2025 national opinion poll on animal testing in Australia. Commissioned by AFSA and conducted by Nexus …

    Show notes

    In this episode of the AFSA Podcast, Dr. Dana Kolsky and Dr. Elena Schaller unravel the findings of our 2025 national opinion poll on animal testing in Australia. Commissioned by AFSA and conducted by Nexus Research, the results are both surprising and encouraging.

    Dana and Elena discuss how public sentiment toward animal experimentation has evolved over the years and explores the broader implications of these attitudes. From a revealing study that surveyed 1,000 Australians, they dive deep into the public's growing awareness and demand for transparency and ethical reform in animal research.

    Click here to read more on AFSA's recent opinion poll.

    Read the transcript.


    *Note: Re the discussion on animal rehoming in Australia, there is legislation in NSW that mandates the rehoming of dogs and cats after 3 years of use in research (the NSW Animal Research Amendment Act (Right to Release Act) 2022).

  5. Episode 26: The Psychology of Animal Research: An Ethical Reckoning

    50 minEpisode 26

    In this engaging episode of the AFSA Podcast, we are joined by Dr. Lawrence Hansen, a distinguished neuropathologist and advocate for animal-free research. We delve deep into the issues of animal …

    Show notes

    In this engaging episode of the AFSA Podcast, we are joined by Dr. Lawrence Hansen, a distinguished neuropathologist and advocate for animal-free research. We delve deep into the issues of animal experimentation in neuroscience research, addressing some of the ethical and scientific implications. The episode highlights how outdated methodologies persist despite advancements in human-relevant research techniques, emphasizing the need for a paradigm shift in scientific research practices.

    Dr. Hansen outlines the challenges inherent in studying neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s with animal models, pointing out that these models fall short of replicating the human condition. He passionately argues for a shift towards human-based research applications that show promising advancements and efficacy over traditional animal testing methods. The discussion also uncovers systemic issues in scientific communities and funding bodies that sustain outdated practices, highlighting ethical concerns and potential pathways for advocacy and change.


    *Note: The first two questions include quite scientific explanations—but don’t worry, the conversation quickly opens up into broader ethical issues, so we encourage all listeners (even those without a science background) to stay tuned!

    For more info visit AFSA.
    Click here to read more about primate experimentation in Australia.

    Read the transcript here.

  6. Episode 25: Compassion Over Cruelty: Dr Faraz Harsini on Empowering the Next Generation to be Animal Advocates

    47 minEpisode 25

    In this episode of the AFSA Podcast, we speak with Dr. Faraz Harsini, a leading voice in animal rights and biomedical engineering. The conversation dives deep into Dr. Harsini's inspiring journey from an …

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    In this episode of the AFSA Podcast, we speak with Dr. Faraz Harsini, a leading voice in animal rights and biomedical engineering. The conversation dives deep into Dr. Harsini's inspiring journey from an omnivorous upbringing in Iran to founding Allied Scholars for Animal Protection and leading the college campus movement toward veganism.

    Key discussions revolve around the importance of educating young minds on animal use and the interconnectedness of animal rights with broader societal issues such as climate change and public health. Dr. Harsini shares his insights on the inefficacies of animal testing, revealing its limitations and highlighting the potential of non-animal methods (NAMs) to revolutionize scientific research.

    His candid reflections on the challenges he overcame in reconciling personal and cultural beliefs with his current advocacy work offer listeners a unique perspective into the moral urgency of veganism and animal rights.

    Read the episode transcript here.

    If you would like to support Allied Scholars for Animal Protection (ASAP), or if you're a student interested in starting a chapter, visit their website to learn how you can get involved!

    Connect with Dr. Harsini:

  7. Episode 24: Discovering Non-Animal Methodologies in Research with Dr. Susi Seibt

    40 minEpisode 24

    This episode of the AFSA podcast features Dr. Susi Seibt, an expert in microfluidics and science communication. Dr. Susi walks us through the revolutionary advancements in non-animal research methods (NAMs) and …

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    This episode of the AFSA podcast features Dr. Susi Seibt, an expert in microfluidics and science communication. Dr. Susi walks us through the revolutionary advancements in non-animal research methods (NAMs) and their applications in medical research and drug development. Her discussion provides a glimpse into a future where research may no longer require animal testing.

    In the conversation, Dr. Susi elaborates on innovative techniques such as microfluidics and organ-on-a-chip technologies. The conversation covers the strengths and limitations of these technologies, their implementation in personalized medicine, and the global movement towards reducing animal experimentation. Investing in NAMs not only promotes ethical scientific practices but also paves the way for more accurate and human-relevant data.

    Click here for more information on NAMs.

    To hear more from Dr. Susi visit:
    www.shelium.net

    https://www.youtube.com/@shelium

    TikTok: @shelium.science

    Instagram: @shelium.science

    Read the podcast episode transcript here.

  8. Episode 23: Rehoming Animals From Research

    46 minEpisode 23

    In this episode, Rachel welcomes Paula Wallace, Founder and Director of the Liberty Foundation Australia to discuss the inspiring mission of her organisation. Liberty Foundation is at the forefront of creating …

    Show notes


    In this episode, Rachel welcomes Paula Wallace, Founder and Director of the Liberty Foundation Australia to discuss the inspiring mission of her organisation. Liberty Foundation is at the forefront of creating a viable transition for domestic animals from research facilities into loving homes. Tune in as Paula unfolds the foundation’s progress, challenges, and future aspirations, including the exciting opening of a rehoming centre on the Central Coast of New South Wales.

    View videos of the happy endings for adopted animals thanks to the Liberty Foundation on YouTube.

    Read the episode transcript.

  9. Episode 22: Nicole Groch Discusses Cruelty-Free Beauty

    39 minEpisode 22

    Nicole Groch, Australian Programs Manager at Cruelty Free International and a vegan hair and makeup artist, shares insights on ending animal testing globally, the rigorous Leaping Bunny certification process …

    Show notes


    Nicole Groch, Australian Programs Manager at Cruelty Free International and a vegan hair and makeup artist, shares insights on ending animal testing globally, the rigorous Leaping Bunny certification process, and the evolution of cruelty-free and vegan products. She discusses the transformative impact of major Australian brands like Kmart and Sukin committing to cruelty-free practices. Nicole’s personal and professional journey highlights the power of consumer choices in driving industry change, and offers practical tips for identifying genuinely cruelty-free products. Tune in to learn how your choices can support a cruelty-free future.

    Search for Cruelty free products | Cruelty Free International

    Nicole Groch Cruelty Free, Vegan Hair & Makeup

  10. Episode 21: Animal-Free Surgical Training with Andrew Costello

    40 minEpisode 21

    Andrew Costello, Strategic Consultant to the International Medical Robotics Academy (IMRA) discusses the benefits of non-animal surgical training methods and outlines IMRA's world-leading training programs and …

    Show notes

    Andrew Costello, Strategic Consultant to the International Medical Robotics Academy (IMRA) discusses the benefits of non-animal surgical training methods and outlines IMRA's world-leading training programs and high-fidelity synthetic models.

    Find out more about IMRA on their website.
    Read AFSA's web resource on surgical training.

  11. Episode 20: Maddie Krasno shares an insider perspective of primate research

    34 minEpisode 20

    Maddie holds a master’s degree in Humane Education and has worked in animal protection for over a decade. During her undergraduate education, Maddie worked for two years at UW-Madison’s Harlow Primate Research …

    Show notes

    Maddie holds a master’s degree in Humane Education and has worked in animal protection for over a decade. During her undergraduate education, Maddie worked for two years at UW-Madison’s Harlow Primate Research Laboratory and was later diagnosed with PTSD as a result. Maddie discusses her experiences and the organisation she has co-founded, Justify. Maddie hopes Justify will establish greater transparency in the animal research industry and become the community she wishes she had when she left the primate lab in 2013.

  12. Episode 19: A conversation with Dr Pandora Pound, author of 'The Rat Trap'.

    30 minEpisode 19

    Dr Pandora Pound is Research Director at the Safer Medicines Trust. Dr Pound has written numerous influential papers on the scientific drawbacks of using animals as models for humans. Her newly published book …

    Show notes

    Dr Pandora Pound is Research Director at the Safer Medicines Trust. Dr Pound has written numerous influential papers on the scientific drawbacks of using animals as models for humans. Her newly published book ‘Rat Trap’ is a must-read.
    https://animalfreescienceadvocacy.org.au/product/rat-trap-by-dr-pandora-pound/

  13. Episode 18: Savita Nutan Founder of Medicine Without Cruelty

    50 minEpisode 18

    Savita Nutan is a science communicator, educator and former researcher who founded Medicine Without Cruelty in the UK. We interviewed her for the Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast all about why medical …

    Show notes

    Savita Nutan is a science communicator, educator and former researcher who founded Medicine Without Cruelty in the UK. We interviewed her for the Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast all about why medical research needs to urgently transition away from using obsolete and cruel animal methods towards far superior animal-free methods of research.

    Savita Nutan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/savitanutan
    Medicine Without Cruelty: https://medicinewithoutcruelty.com/

  14. Episode 17: Animal Law Expert Sarah Margo: "This Space Feels Hopeful"

    20 minEpisode 17

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy CEO Rachel Smith interviews Sarah Margo, an expert in animal law on her perspective of the failings of the Australian regulatory system surrounding animals in science. Sarah is …

    Show notes

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy CEO Rachel Smith interviews Sarah Margo, an expert in animal law on her perspective of the failings of the Australian regulatory system surrounding animals in science.

    Sarah is Policy Advisor to the Hon. Emma Hurst MLC of the Animal Justice Party, Animal Law Teaching Fellow at UNSW and Director of Voiceless, the animal protection institute and an Animal Law and Policy Consultant.

    Learn more about Voiceless: https://voiceless.org.au/



  15. Episode 16: Clinical Researcher Nisha Narang: On ending animal-derived medical products ​

    24 minEpisode 16

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy CEO Rachel Smith interviews Nisha Narang, the CEO and founder of Leorah Clinical, a clinical research company with the mission is to bring sustainable, animal derivative-free …

    Show notes

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy CEO Rachel Smith interviews Nisha Narang, the CEO and founder of Leorah Clinical, a clinical research company with the mission is to bring sustainable, animal derivative-free medical products to people everywhere.

    More about Leorah Clinical: https://www.leorahclinical.com/

  16. Episode 15: Dr Hugo Morandini: A vision for clinical neuroscience without animals

    31 minEpisode 15

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy speaks with member and clinical neuroscience researcher Dr Hugo Morandini about his research and reflections on the use of animals in research. Dr Hugo Morandini is a clinical …

    Show notes

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy speaks with member and clinical neuroscience researcher Dr Hugo Morandini about his research and reflections on the use of animals in research.

    Dr Hugo Morandini is a clinical neuroscience researcher with a deep interest in animal-free research methods.

    He is currently a member of Animal-Free Science Advocacy's management committee.

    Dr Hugo Morandini at UWA

    Watch the podcast episode on YouTube




  17. Episode 14: Dr Denise Russell: Are Animal Ethics Committees effective?

    32 minEpisode 14

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy interviews Dr Denise Russell, an academic and independent researcher who specialises in animal ethics about her research on the effectiveness of animal ethics committees.Denise was …

    Show notes

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy interviews Dr Denise Russell, an academic and independent researcher who specialises in animal ethics about her research on the effectiveness of animal ethics committees.

    Denise was the founding editor and managing editor of Animal Issues, a journal covering a wide range of topics related to human/animal interactions, now incorporated into Society & Animals published by Brill.

    She is the author of Who Rules the Waves: piracy, overfishing and mining the oceans

    Dr Denise Russell: Australasian Animal Studies Association

    Russell, D. (2012). Why animal ethics committees don't work. Between the Species: an online journal for the study of philosophy and animals, 15 (1), 127-142.

  18. Episode 13: Rosemary Lavin: "What I've learned over 50 years as an animal advocate"

    22 minEpisode 13

    Rosemary has spent the vast majority of her life fighting for animals in a personal and professional capacity. In this podcast she speaks with Animal-Free Science Advocacy about what she has learned throughout …

    Show notes

    Rosemary has spent the vast majority of her life fighting for animals in a personal and professional capacity. In this podcast she speaks with Animal-Free Science Advocacy about what she has learned throughout her long and diverse history in animal advocacy.


    Image supplied by Rosemary Lavin. Caption: Rosemary with Ruby and Dougal, her rescue dogs she adopted through Beagle Freedom Australia.

  19. Episode 11: Living with a life-threatening illness and remaining opposed to animal experimentation

    36 minEpisode 11

    Would you support animal experimentation if you were diagnosed with a life threatening illness?In this episode of the Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast, we chat with HRA supporter Belinda who is a passionate …

    Show notes

    Would you support animal experimentation if you were diagnosed with a life threatening illness?

    In this episode of the Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast, we chat with HRA supporter Belinda who is a passionate animal advocate. She shares her perspective on animal experimentation and her experiences living through cancer.

  20. Episode 10: The questionable ethics behind forced smoke inhalation research

    10 minEpisode 10

    For several years, Animal-Free Science Advocacy has been closely monitoring the use of forced inhalation studies in Australian Institutions.This led to the development of our report: "Optimising Inhalation …

    Show notes

    For several years, Animal-Free Science Advocacy has been closely monitoring the use of forced inhalation studies in Australian Institutions.

    This led to the development of our report: "Optimising Inhalation Research: Transitioning to Human-relevant Science."

    In this episode, we learn from Animal-Free Science Advocacy CEO Rachel Smith about the questionable ethics that surround the use of animals in smoke inhalation studies. These obsolete tests continue to be used in some Australian universities and research institutes.

    There are safe, precise and animal-free methods that can be used instead of these tests.

    Read our report: Optimising Inhalation Research: Transitioning to Human-relevant Science

    Learn more about our Forced to Smoke campaign.

    Connect with HRA in the following ways:
    Website: https://www.humaneresearch.org.au/
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/HumaneResearchAustralia
    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/humaneresearch/
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/hraust?lang=en
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/humane-research-australia

  21. Episode 9: Why we need to transition away from forced inhalation tests ​

    40 minEpisode 9

    For several years, Animal-Free Science Advocacy has been closely monitoring the use of forced inhalation studies in Australian Institutions.This led to the development of our report: "Optimising Inhalation …

    Show notes

    For several years, Animal-Free Science Advocacy has been closely monitoring the use of forced inhalation studies in Australian Institutions.

    This led to the development of our report: "Optimising Inhalation Research: Transitioning to Human-relevant Science."

    In this episode we interview the report's author, Natalie Anderson, a respiratory research scientist, who also works as Animal-Free Science Advocacy's Science Outreach Consultant.

    In this podcast episode, she’ll be stepping us through the key findings from our report and sharing her insights as a scientist who specialises in this field of research.

    There are safe, precise and animal-free methods that can be used instead of these tests.

    Read our report: Optimising Inhalation Research: Transitioning to Human-relevant Science

    Learn more about our Forced to Smoke campaign.

  22. Episode 12: Animal-free alternatives to cruel animal dissection in Australian schools​

    8 minEpisode 12

    In this podcast, learn about the practice of dissection in Australian high schools, the alternatives available, and what educators can do to transition to cruelty-free teaching methods.Animal-Free Science …

    Show notes

    In this podcast, learn about the practice of dissection in Australian high schools, the alternatives available, and what educators can do to transition to cruelty-free teaching methods.

    Animal-Free Science Advocacy offer a loans of educational resources called the Humane Education Loan Program (HELP). This aims to provide educators and students with current, cruelty-free alternatives to animal use in teaching.

  23. Episode 8: A short history of the courageous Anti-Vivisection Movement ​

    15 minEpisode 8

    In this Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast, we take a look at the obscure and courageous history of the anti-vivisection movement throughout the world. Learn about the trailblazing Australian organisations …

    Show notes

    In this Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast, we take a look at the obscure and courageous history of the anti-vivisection movement throughout the world. Learn about the trailblazing Australian organisations that paved the way for Animal-Free Science Advocacy's work in Australia today.

  24. Primate research still leaves questions unanswered

    10 min

    On 25 February 2020, 3 baboons escaped from a truck while being transported from a primate breeding colony to the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital. The ensuing media attention brought the previously hidden industry …

    Show notes

    On 25 February 2020, 3 baboons escaped from a truck while being transported from a primate breeding colony to the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital. The ensuing media attention brought the previously hidden industry into the public limelight, raising the question as to just what research on baboons entailed. A year on, Animal-Free Science Advocacy discusses what we know and what has happened in the last year.

  25. The scientifically-obsolete Forced Swim Test: What is it and why should it be banned?​

    8 min

    In this episode Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast, we learn about the Forced Swim Test and why is it considered to be cruel and unnecessary? Learn about the scientific validity of the test and whether or not …

    Show notes

    In this episode Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast, we learn about the Forced Swim Test and why is it considered to be cruel and unnecessary? Learn about the scientific validity of the test and whether or not its results are applicable to human health.

    Are there any plans to phase out this cruel and unnecessary test in Australia in favour of more scientifically robust animal-free alternatives? Have a listen to find out.

    Learn more about our campaign to end the Forced Swim Test in Australia.

  26. Cosmetics and animal testing in Australia

    13 min

    An overview of the Industrial Chemicals Act 2019- is there a ban on Cosmetic testing on animals in Australia? What can consumers do to ensure their purchase has not been tested on animals? Read the full …

    Show notes

    An overview of the Industrial Chemicals Act 2019- is there a ban on Cosmetic testing on animals in Australia? What can consumers do to ensure their purchase has not been tested on animals?

    Read the full transcript of the episode here.

  27. Can Freedom of Information (FOI) requests help when advocating for animals in labs?

    25 min

    In this episode of the Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast we look at the effectiveness of Australia's current laws regarding freedom of information requests (FOI's). Is this an effective advocacy tool for …

    Show notes

    In this episode of the Animal-Free Science Advocacy podcast we look at the effectiveness of Australia's current laws regarding freedom of information requests (FOI's). Is this an effective advocacy tool for organisations in the USA, Australia and the United Kingdom to uncover animal experimentation in secretive laboratory settings?

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