Back Row with Amy Odell
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Fashion, style, celebrity and culture. Insider knowledge. Outsider honesty. Humor included.
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Episodes 87
Runway Robots, AI Influencers, and the Slop Takeover (with Taylor Lorenz)
Why are there so many robots on runways these days? From Vogue World Milano to London and New York fashion weeks, this is now, insanely, a Thing! Tech journalist Taylor Lorenz joins Amy to explain what's really …
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Why are there so many robots on runways these days? From Vogue World Milano to London and New York fashion weeks, this is now, insanely, a Thing! Tech journalist Taylor Lorenz joins Amy to explain what's really going on here, leading Amy to think Vogue got hoodwinked.
Plus: the hyperreal AI influencers flooding Instagram — and whether anything can be done to stop them.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:20 Robots take the runway
07:20 Unitree, the trolls of robotics
11:00 Why is Vogue doing this?
24:20 Would you let a robot in your house?
27:00 AI influencers & Higgsfield
34:40 How human creators can compete
45:20 Will AI reshape our taste?
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Luxury's Slump: Can Designers Save Fashion? (with Eugene Rabkin) [TEASER]
Third-quarter earnings are in, and luxury's slump isn't letting up. Kering and LVMH were down, Hermès grew but missed expectations, and Chanel seems like just about the only house that's winning. Amy brings …
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Third-quarter earnings are in, and luxury's slump isn't letting up. Kering and LVMH were down, Hermès grew but missed expectations, and Chanel seems like just about the only house that's winning. Amy brings back StyleZeitgeist founder Eugene Rabkin, author of Torn: Fashion and Postmodernism, to ask what's driving the downturn and whether designers can save it.The rest of the conversation, on the Paris protests, Chanelmania, whether the Birkin is over, and Anna Wintour chasing tech money, is for Back Row Premium subscribers. Sign up at backrow.net/subscribe to get newsletter access included with your subscription.CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:45 The Great Reset, one year in
07:30 Is McQueen headed for the mall?
09:45 Gucci's wholesale crutch
13:45 LVMH misses & Arnault slips
16:15 Is Dior really "gaining traction"?
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Working for Anna Wintour & How Vogue Really Picks Its Cover Stars (with Jill Demling)
Jill Demling started as Anna Wintour's assistant in 1998, around the same time as Lauren Weisberger, who went on to write The Devil Wears Prada. Anna promoted Jill to entertainment editor, and she spent the …
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Jill Demling started as Anna Wintour's assistant in 1998, around the same time as Lauren Weisberger, who went on to write The Devil Wears Prada. Anna promoted Jill to entertainment editor, and she spent the next 18 and a half years deciding who got the cover of Vogue. She reveals which cover Anna wouldn't let her forget, how Beyoncé got her first Vogue cover, and why Angelina Jolie raided Gwyneth Paltrow's rack.Jill now hosts the Going Rogue podcast. Check it out on Apple:https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/going-rogue/id1814440700YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@UCifqLV2sQB7b9WufQimRyqw And Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/7CIDU8Gib1FRvscacNw4SRCHAPTERS00:00 Introduction02:30 Anna's "next September" test08:00 Egg sandwiches, voicemails & Burger Heaven milkshakes12:45 Lauren Weisberger & the real Emily18:30 What The Devil Wears Prada gets wrong22:30 Why celebrities replaced models on covers33:30 How Beyoncé landed her first Vogue cover41:00 Photo approval & Beyoncé's no-interview cover
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The Rise of Fashion Slop (with Sam Sanders)
Amy recently joined The Sam Sanders Show to talk about the rise of AI slop in fashion. Thank you to Sam and his team for allowing Back Row to republish the interview here!-------Even the fashion industry can’t …
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Amy recently joined The Sam Sanders Show to talk about the rise of AI slop in fashion. Thank you to Sam and his team for allowing Back Row to republish the interview here!
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Even the fashion industry can’t escape AI slop.
Fast fashion brands are using AI to pump out new looks and trends, and speed up production at unsustainable rates. It’s a business model that relies much more on algorithmic data than human design. Chances are you’ve even seen plenty of these products in your social media feeds.
Sam chats with fashion journalist Amy Odell, host of the ‘Back Row’ podcast, about AI’s influence in the industry and how we can all be better consumers. Plus, is high fashion on life support? Amy also breaks down the perils of luxury shopping today.
The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.
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Inside Kim Kardashian's World with Her Biographer Jonathan Van Meter
Jonathan Van Meter spent five years inside Kim Kardashian's world for his new biography, Citizen Kim: The Woman Who Created the Future. He talks about what her rarefied world of fame and wealth is really like …
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Jonathan Van Meter spent five years inside Kim Kardashian's world for his new biography, Citizen Kim: The Woman Who Created the Future. He talks about what her rarefied world of fame and wealth is really like, her childhood front-row seat to the O.J. Simpson trial, and how Kanye West got her into the Met Gala. Plus: what Jonathan could and couldn't learn about how the sex tape was released, and whether Kim is laying the groundwork to run for political office.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 How Jonathan Got Five Years of Access
05:30 Inside Kim Kardashian's House (and Her 24 Staffers)
12:00 Kim Air: Kim's Private Jet
30:30 Kim and the O.J. Simpson Trial
40:30 The Kim Kardashian Sex Tape
45:30 The Paris Robbery
48:00 Kanye, Anna Wintour & the Met Gala
55:00 Will Kim Run for Office?
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The Swan: Inside Reality TV's Most Brutal Makeover Show (with Director Erin Lee Carr)
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Facelift confessions, part 1: https://www.backrow.net/p/facelift-confessions-part-1-the-brutal-realities-of-getting-work-done
Facelift confessions, part 2: https://www.backrow.net/p/facelift-confessions-part-2-expect-an-emotional-tollIn 2004, Fox turned plastic surgery into primetime entertainment. The Swan reality show gave contestants about $200,000 worth of surgery each, put them on crash diets, banned mirrors for three months, and then put them in a beauty pageant. Nine million people watched. Erin Lee Carr, director of 'Mommy Dead and Dearest' and 'Britney vs Spears,' goes back to the women 20 years later in her hit Hulu documentary, The Swan: Behind the Mirror — and tells Amy what the documentary couldn't.CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
04:45 Getting the Swans to talk again
10:00 "I almost died for reality television"
19:30 How much choice did they have? "1%"
22:45 Starvation diets and spoonfuls of peanut butter
26:00 The nude photos Dr. Haworth kept
28:50 The $5 million contract
36:50 "Would you do it again?"
40:00 A classic Anna Wintour story
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Fashion Month Awards, Spring 2027: Dior's Slump, Chanelmania Continues, and Galliano Fallout (with Dana Thomas) [TEASER]
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SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row newsletter for the FULL Fashion Month Awards podcast and get more coverage like this: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe. Save three months on an annual subscription.For pod ONLY, sign up in Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/back-row-with-amy-odell/id1843400835) or Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0wpDOgcuWKjpH9WxklNqI4).The spring 2027 shows just wrapped in Paris, a year after the "Great Reset" brought new creative directors to Chanel, Dior, and many more. Amy is joined by Dana Thomas, New York Times bestselling author of Deluxe, Gods and Kings and Fashionopolis, to hand out Fashion Month Awards.They get into John Galliano's PR rehab after the canceled Met show, who's having the biggest sophomore slump, and more.
The full episode for Premium subscribers includes awards for Best Runway Stunt and Best Overall, plus analysis of John Galliano's weak Zara launch and Virginie Viard's explosive book.CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction04:30 Biggest sophomore slump10:45 Best show nobody talked about
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Stop Impulse Buying: How Fashion Month Keeps You Broke (with Mrs. Dow Jones)
Mrs. Dow Jones (Haley Sacks) on how to stop impulse buying and why fashion month keeps you broke. Part One of two.For part two — about Birkins and fashion's play to woo the wealthiest shoppers — get a Premium …
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Mrs. Dow Jones (Haley Sacks) on how to stop impulse buying and why fashion month keeps you broke. Part One of two.For part two — about Birkins and fashion's play to woo the wealthiest shoppers — get a Premium subscription to Back Row: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe. Save three months on an annual subscription. Or sign up in Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/back-row-with-amy-odell/id1843400835) or Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0wpDOgcuWKjpH9WxklNqI4)Haley Sacks, aka @MrsDowJones, joins Amy to break down how fashion month keeps us stuck in a cycle of broke. Every season the same trend gets planted on the runway, in your feed, and on influencers, and within two weeks a cheaper version shows up at Zara.Haley talks about how to stop impulse buying, why luxury goods are so expensive, and what it was like to grow up in one of the world's wealthiest neighborhoods. CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
01:30 How fashion month keeps us in a cycle of broke
04:00 From the runway to Zara in two weeks
08:00 Buy fewer, better things
10:00 How to stop impulse buying
16:00 The luxury pyramid and the $690 keychain
20:00 Is any luxury actually worth it?
22:00 Hunting a sold-out clutch with an AI agent
25:30 Haley's years as an Upper East Side nanny📺 SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row Newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe📷 Follow Back Row on Instagram: @backrow
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Meghan Markle Deep Dive, Part One: From Struggling Actress to Meeting Harry
Harry and Meghan are back in the UK, six years after leaving the royal family. In the first part of Back Row's deep dive into Meghan Markle, Amy and former Us Weekly and Hello! editor Justin Ravitz — who has …
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Harry and Meghan are back in the UK, six years after leaving the royal family. In the first part of Back Row's deep dive into Meghan Markle, Amy and former Us Weekly and Hello! editor Justin Ravitz — who has interviewed Prince Harry and worked with the couple's team — trace Meghan's story from her Los Angeles childhood to the night she met Harry.
Part two is available to Back Row Premium subscribers.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
09:00 Meghan's Los Angeles childhood
12:30 Age 11: taking on Procter & Gamble
16:15 Briefcase No. 24 on Deal or No Deal
22:45 Landing Suits
30:00 The Tig blog and Meghan's Goop dream
35:30 Social climbing and Soho House
43:30 Humanitarian ambitions and meeting Harry
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Fur Is Out of Fashion. Is Wool Next?
PJ Smith, director of fashion policy for Humane World for Animals (formerly the Humane Society), has spent almost 20 years getting companies from Gucci to Net-a-Porter to go fur-free. Now that most top fashion …
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PJ Smith, director of fashion policy for Humane World for Animals (formerly the Humane Society), has spent almost 20 years getting companies from Gucci to Net-a-Porter to go fur-free.
Now that most top fashion brands have sworn off fur, is wool the next big target for animal welfare activists? PJ talks about why, thanks to LVMH, the fur fight isn't quite over, how he got brands to change their mind about fur, and what's next.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:30 Why fur-free NYFW is historic
08:00 How Humane World actually changes brands' minds
18:30 Fur farming down 85% — the numbers
22:30 PETA vs. H&M: the wool protests
25:30 Is wool humane? Mulesing explained
46:30 Exotic skins: the next target
52:00 PJ's biggest lesson after 20 years
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Fashionphile's Founder on How to Spot a Superfake Birkin (with Sarah Davis)
Superfakes have never been better and counterfeiters have never been smarter — so how can consumers buy secondhand luxury with confidence? Sarah Davis started Fashionphile on eBay in 1999, while she was in law …
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Superfakes have never been better and counterfeiters have never been smarter — so how can consumers buy secondhand luxury with confidence?
Sarah Davis started Fashionphile on eBay in 1999, while she was in law school. Resale has exploded since: Her company now employs more than 350 people and authenticates roughly 1,500 luxury bags a day. Sarah reveals how she turned luxury authentication into an almost CIA-like operation, what gives away a fake Birkin bag, and how a $35,000 machine can tell if a Cartier Love bracelet is real or not.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 Law school, eBay, and the Fashionphile origin story
15:00 A real Chanel, a fake one — can you tell?
21:00 Fake bags bought at real stores
23:30 "Your dupe isn't cute"
26:30 The $75 fee that killed the counterfeits
29:30 The $35,000 machine that catches fake Birkins
44:30 Where resale goes next
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The Trend Forecaster Who Coined "Vibe Shift" on What Comes Next (with Sean Monahan)
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*SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row newsletter for more coverage like this: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe. Go Premium and save three months on an annual subscription.*Trend forecaster Sean Monahan coined the "vibe shift" five years ago to describe the unease millennials felt coming out of the pandemic. Of all the terms Monahan has coined — from "normcore" to the "boom boom aesthetic" — the vibe shift may have been the stickiest. He and Amy revisited his predictions from five years ago and discuss what he got right and wrong.Monahan offers predictions on whether smart glasses will take; where rage bait is heading; the future of "flexing"; where the Met Gala goes from here; and what luxury fashion has to do to recover.CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
03:00 The boom boom aesthetic and the '80s that weren't
06:00 Why crypto killed streetwear
08:30 Normcore, and the anxiety behind it
19:00 Did tackiness give way to taste?
24:00 Smart glasses, glassholes and surveillance
38:00 Rage bait and the clipping economy
47:30 'The Devil Wears Prada 2' and Jeff Bezos
1:04:30 How does luxury fashion recover?📩SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row Newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe
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How the Very Rich Really Live, From Billionaires' Row to Lauren Sánchez Bezos
Amy Chozick has spent her career writing about polarizing women — she covered Hillary Clinton for The New York Times, profiled Elizabeth Holmes right before prison, followed Stormy Daniels for Vogue, and wrote …
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Amy Chozick has spent her career writing about polarizing women — she covered Hillary Clinton for The New York Times, profiled Elizabeth Holmes right before prison, followed Stormy Daniels for Vogue, and wrote the widely dissected profile of Lauren Sánchez Bezos.
Her new novel, With Friends Like You (https://amzn.to/4yjRlvI), follows Emily, a broke new mom in Manhattan, who goes looking for the college friend who vanished — and finds her working as a high-end escort to billionaires.
To write the book, she researched the world of the ultra-rich obsessively. She also reveals what surprised her about Lauren Sánchez Bezos, discusses the detail everyone rehashed from that profile, and more.CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 A new mother, a missing friend, and a billionaire's escort
4:00 Billionaires' Row and the empty towers
13:00 Covering Hillary Clinton, and what power does to people
17:00 Profiling Lauren Sánchez Bezos
23:00 "They stopped apologizing" — the new rich
30:00 Hillary's suits, Lauren's taped-up Vogue pages
41:00 Is fashion getting tackier?
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The Met Cancels the John Galliano Retrospective (with Dana Thomas) [TEASER]
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In a stunning move, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has cancelled "John Galliano: Horizons," the Costume Institute retrospective planned for May 2027.
Galliano's biographer and fashion journalist Dana Thomas joined Amy hours after the Met made the announcement. They discuss what this means for fashion, for John Galliano, and for the Met Gala's planner and previously all-powerful architect, Anna Wintour.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
00:30 Why Dana wasn't surprised
01:30 When you lose the politicians and the donors
03:00 "Not an aberration" — Dana's New York Times op-ed
05:00 The incidents that never got reported
06:00 The 2019 spa incident
07:30 What the comment sections revealed
11:30 Philippe Virgitti, still waiting for an apology
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'The September Issue' Rewatch: Anna Wintour, Grace Coddington, and the Sienna Miller Hair Crisis (with Kate Casey)
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The September Issue is R.J. Cutler's 2009 documentary about the biggest issue of Vogue ever made up to that point — 843 pages, 13 million copies sold.
Amy is joined by Kate Casey, host of Reality Life with Kate Casey and a documentary and reality TV expert, to rewatch it seventeen years later. They get into what Anna Wintour really thought of the film, why she and her Vogue team hated Sienna Miller's hair so much, how it all aged, and much more.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 13 million copies sold — and what's left now
06:00 How Anna and Grace actually met
17:30 The retailers' breakfast, when Vogue set the trends
25:00 "Your girls always look the same" - Anna at her harshest
41:00 Anna at home, and the kids who didn't follow her
48:00 The Sienna Miller cover disaster
1:07:00 843 pages, and the era that ended
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How Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen Built Two Billion-Dollar Empires (Part 1)
Back Row is on vacation this week, so we're revisiting one of the most popular episodes of the year: a two-parter on Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, in honor of The Row's 20th anniversary.Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen …
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Back Row is on vacation this week, so we're revisiting one of the most popular episodes of the year: a two-parter on Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen, in honor of The Row's 20th anniversary.
Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen were on television before they could talk and millionaires before they could read. Former Us Weekly editor-in-chief Dan Wakeford, author of the new Celebrity Intelligence newsletter, joins Back Row to break down the Full House casting story, the Dual Star empire, the billion-dollar licensing machine, and the NYU years that changed everything.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:40 Dan Wakeford and Celebrity Intelligence
02:47 Why the Olsens are a unique case study
07:50 The Full House casting story
10:07 The reality of child stardom
16:22 How their personalities diverged early
19:49 From pennies to $80,000 an episode
26:27 The home video empire begins
33:28 The billion dollar licensing machine
48:00 Turning 18 and taking control
53:41 NYU and the paparazzi years
57:47 How everything changed
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'Matcha, Pilates, Alo' Enters Its Flop Era: Inside the Influencer Recession
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Is everything on social media — even lifestyle content — just rage bait now? New York Magazine features writer Rebecca Jennings joins Amy to unpack her hit Vulture piece on the "influencer recession," when aspirational content no longer works and creators have to come up with "brand-safe rage bait." What does this mean both for the content landscape but also, for rage itself?
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:00 What is the "influencer recession"?
02:45 The clipping economy & fake virality
05:15 Audrey Peters & the $25 DoorDash coffee
10:30 Why the Alo yacht flopped
14:35 Why Birkins are embarrassing now
19:30 The OpenAI influencer farm trip
24:00 Brands manufacturing their own rage bait
30:00 How Substack changed the game
34:30 Is rage bait losing its power?
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Is Fashion in Total Creative Collapse?
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*SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row newsletter for more coverage like this: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe. Go Premium and save three months on an annual subscription.*Is fashion in the throes of a total creative collapse? Critic Eugene Rabkin — founder of StyleZeitgeist and author of the new book Torn: Fashion and Postmodernism — joins Amy to make the case. He argues luxury has "devolved into a consumerist spectacle," its lack of ideas papered over by relentless marketing.They get into the greedflation behind a $140,000 Dior dress, why "craftsmanship" is the industry's greatest con, the Italian sweatshop scandals that never seem to stick, how Bernard Arnault turned the fashion world into the fashion industry — and the death of criticism, and why nobody seems to care.CHAPTERS00:00 Introduction
02:30 Fashion's creative collapse: the thesis
08:30 Greedflation & the $140,000 Dior dress
13:00 The craftsmanship con
15:00 Sweatshop scandals: Dior & Loro Piana's vicuña
23:30 The death of fashion criticism
32:00 Bernard Arnault & how he industrialized fashion📺 SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row Newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/subscribe📷 Follow Back Row on Instagram: @backrow📷 Follow Amy on Instagram: @instamyodellFollow Eugene Rabkin📷 Follow Eugene on Instagram: @eugenerabkin📚 Buy the book: Torn: Fashion and PostmodernismThis episode was edited by Chrissi Harris.
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John Galliano Is Finally Getting a Met Gala. Should He? (Teaser)
John Galliano is the subject of the Costume Institute's 2027 exhibition and will be celebrated with his very own Met Gala. Galliano's biographer Dana Thomas — author of Gods and Kings, a dual biography about …
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John Galliano is the subject of the Costume Institute's 2027 exhibition and will be celebrated with his very own Met Gala. Galliano's biographer Dana Thomas — author of Gods and Kings, a dual biography about Galliano and Alexander McQueen — joins the show to talk about what this means. Amy and Dana recap Galliano's fall from grace and image rehabilitation — thanks to Anna Wintour.
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The Louvre Heist and Shady Billionaire Art Owners
"Parisian Heist" author Jo Piazza joins Amy to break down the October 2025 Louvre robbery — the suspects, the mysterious "sponsor," and why authorities aren't sure the suspects are telling the truth. Plus: why …
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"Parisian Heist" author Jo Piazza joins Amy to break down the October 2025 Louvre robbery — the suspects, the mysterious "sponsor," and why authorities aren't sure the suspects are telling the truth.
Plus: why museum security is so basic, how art gets used to launder money and fund violent crime, the billionaire families who quietly run the art market, and what a $181 million Jackson Pollock says about the state of art and wealth.(00:00) Introduction(02:30) Recap: the Louvre heist, October 19, 2025(04:30) The Isabella Stewart Gardner heist: $500M, still unsolved(07:30) The arrests and the mysterious "sponsor" named Joe(08:30) How basic museum security really is(13:00) What was stolen: the Napoleonic crown jewels(16:30) The Wildensteins & how art launders money(30:00) The $60 billion shadow art market(31:00) Restoring Empress Eugénie's crown & the French jewelry houses(38:30) The $181M Pollock & Jerry Saltz's takedown of the art marketSubscribe to the Back Row newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/subscribeBuy The Parisian Heist: https://amzn.to/4yLV6exFollow Back Row: @backrow · Follow Amy: @instamyodell · Follow Jo: @jopiazzaauthorEdited by Chrissi Harris.
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How Meta Turned Smart Glasses Into 'Hot Surveillance Summer' (with Taylor Lorenz)
In this special episode in collaboration with the Power User podcast Amy Odell joins tech journalist Taylor Lorenz to trace the arc of wearable tech — from the abomination that was Google Glass to Snapchat's …
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In this special episode in collaboration with the Power User podcast Amy Odell joins tech journalist Taylor Lorenz to trace the arc of wearable tech — from the abomination that was Google Glass to Snapchat's vending-machine Spectacles and the company's recent $2,000 flop. Also, why Meta's rollout of it's new $299 fashion-first AI glasses, odious as many find them, may end up being a smash hit.
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro — why everyone's arguing about Meta's glasses
01:36 Turning a camera into a fashion accessory
01:55 Welcome + the "hot surveillance summer" question
02:45 Google Glass and the original abomination
04:16 Snapchat Spectacles, vending machines, and a $130 flop
06:48 GoPro and how sports normalized filming everything
08:55 Ray-Ban Stories (2021) and the "creep" problem
10:57 2025: Oakley Meta and the first AI glasses
11:55 2026: low-profile frames, rhinestones, and AI as the real sell
13:25 The influencer rollout and the decline of fashion media
18:39 Why Kylie Jenner
21:40 How phones already normalized recording everything
24:56 Fashion, plausible deniability, and getting women on board
26:20 Will they actually sell? Meta's copy machine
29:19 The anti-screen crowd may be Meta's best customer
32:14 Beyond glasses: pins, pendants, and camera AirPods
35:29 Who owns the data? Facial recognition and the scary part
37:11 Zuckerberg, Bezos, the Met Gala, and OpenAI's fashion play
39:59 Snap's $2,000 flop and why ugly tech dies
43:03 Wrap-up
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The Kennedys and British Royals: Diana's Death, Meghan Markle's Muse, and JFK Jr.'s Ego
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***SUBSCRIBE to the Back Row newsletter for more coverage like this. Go Premium and save three months on an annual subscription.***Town & Country editor Caroline Hallemann's new book is The Kennedys and the Windsors: The Story of Two Dynasties, One Born, One Made. She joins Amy to discuss the eerie parallels between these two dynasties.Among the surprising stories in Hallemann's book: how Jackie Kennedy fought to keep wearing French designers as First Lady, why JFK Jr. wanted Princess Diana on the cover of George, the real story behind Diana's death and the ongoing conspiracy theories, and how Meghan Markle copied Carolyn Bessette's style. Plus: what Jack Schlossberg's blistering congressional loss means for the Kennedy dynasty.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
03:00 Young Jackie at Miss Porter's and her enduring fashion influence
08:00 What "American Love Story" got wrong about Carolyn Bessette
10:30 JFK Jr. launches George magazine
14:00 Why John wanted Diana on the cover
20:00 Diana's death: what actually happened
32:00 The conspiracy theories that still swirl around Diana's death
39:00 Why Meghan Markle keeps copying Carolyn Bessette's style
53:00 Is Jack Schlossberg the next JFK Jr.?
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A Stylist to Billionaires on How the .01 Percent Really Shop
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This is a teaser of a paywalled podcast. Get the full episode by subscribing to the Back Row newsletter.For podcast content only, go Premium on Apple or Spotify.Joy Cioci has been in fashion for 23 years — first with her own ready-to-wear and bridal brand, and for the past six years, as a private stylist to some of the wealthiest families in the country. She joins Amy to talk about what that job is actually like: how she pulls $80-90K worth of merchandise on loan for a single client, why some of her clients refuse to play the Hermès "game," and why women spending $1.5 million a year on clothes have no idea what just dropped at Chanel.CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
4:00 Who Joy's clients actually are
9:30 How pulling merchandise on loan from stores works
11:00 Inside an $80-90K shopping trip
18:00 What ultra-wealthy people actually want from their wardrobe
21:00 Finding rare pieces no one else has
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Phia's Latest Scandal: Is Phoebe Gates's Startup in Trouble?
Lawyer and The Fashion Law founder Julie Zerbo makes her Back Row pod debut to discuss the latest Phia scandal. The startup, founded by Bill Gates's daughter Phoebe Gates and her Stanford roommate Sophia …
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Lawyer and The Fashion Law founder Julie Zerbo makes her Back Row pod debut to discuss the latest Phia scandal. The startup, founded by Bill Gates's daughter Phoebe Gates and her Stanford roommate Sophia Kianni, was just found to be taking credit for affiliate sales it did not drive. People are calling it "fraud" but is it, really? Can the Gates name and a slew of celeb founders help them sail through this unscathed?
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
02:32 Phia's origin story and Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kiani's Stanford beginnings
09:16 The first scandal: Fortune's report on Phia's data collection
16:17 The second scandal: Bloomberg's cookie-stuffing investigation
19:18 Explaining cookie stuffing — and the Honey/PayPal lawsuits
27:23 Did Phia's investors do proper due diligence?
36:22 Could this be fraud? The legal answer
43:15 Does Phia's celebrity halo make it bulletproof?
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Fall 2026 Couture Awards: Dangerous Shoes, Hat Wars, and Wedding Dresses
Veteran fashion journalist Dana Thomas returns for Fall 2026 couture awards! We talk about the hat wars at Dior, the wildest shoes, and the Chanel chicken bag that seems like it can't carry more than a pill or …
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Veteran fashion journalist Dana Thomas returns for Fall 2026 couture awards! We talk about the hat wars at Dior, the wildest shoes, and the Chanel chicken bag that seems like it can't carry more than a pill or two.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
03:18 What "couture" actually means
08:08 Award: Most Viral Front Row Celebrity
10:49 Award: Best Front Row Celebrity
13:37 Award: Best Couture Handiwork
16:58 Award: Best Shoes
20:18 Award: Best Bags
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13 Biggest Questions About Taylor Swift's Wedding
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Taylor Swift married Travis Kelce at Madison Square Garden — and nobody's seen the photos yet. Will Vogue get them? Will anyone? Amy Odell is joined by veteran celebrity journalist Justin Ravitz (former Executive Editor at Us Weekly and Rolling Stone) to count down 13 burning questions about the wedding of the year — 13, of course, because it's Taylor's lucky number.
From the Dior couture ceremony looks to the guest list chaos (Zadie Smith? Wayne Gretzky? No Kardashians?) to whether this whole thing might end up as a theatrical release, Amy and Justin go through it all.
CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
02:50 #13 – What did she get talked out of?
06:23 #12 – What did Travis Kelce wear?
10:52 #11 – How close were they with their guests, really?
22:08 #10 – What was in the guests' NDAs?
25:33 #9 – Who leaked the wedding photos?
28:19 #8 – Were there religious elements? Was Adam Sandler ordained?
30:45 #7 – Did anyone try to slip them a gift?
37:27 #6 – Were there brand or corporate sponsors?
38:59 #5 – What were her cats doing?
40:54 #4 – Whose idea was the TT logo?
42:22 #3 – What celebrities were invited and said no?
44:57 #2 – Who was deliberately not invited?
51:59 #1 – Will the wedding be a theatrical release?
58:47 Final thoughts
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What 'Love Story' Got Wrong About Carolyn Bessette Kennedy and JFK Jr.'s Final Days
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RoseMarie Terenzio and Liz McNeil — authors of JFK Jr.: An Intimate Oral Biography — return to the Back Row podcast in honor of Love Story's likely Emmy nominations. Terenzio assisted JFK Jr. at George magazine, and McNeil has covered him at People since the 90s, so they know what the show creators don't.
We cover what we didn't get to last time: Daryl Hannah's bombshell New York Times op-ed, what the show got right and wrong about Carolyn Bessette's distress over the paparazzi, the plane crash, and whether Jack Schlossberg is the next JFK Jr.
Chapters:
00:00 — Intro
04:00 — The actor who played JFK Jr. called RoseMarie
08:30 — Daryl Hannah's bombshell NYT op-ed
14:30 — The wedding: how reporters found out
23:30 — Was Carolyn really depressed and homebound?
28:00 — The plane crash: what actually happened
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From Purses to... Pot?!
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***SUPPORT THIS INDEPENDENT SHOW by subscribing to the Back Row newsletter: https://www.backrow.net/subscribeGo Premium and save three months on an annual subscription to access paywalled podcasts and all newsletter stories.*** Get 15 percent off Edie Parker with the code AMY15: https://edie-parker.com/Brett Heyman launched Edie Parker as a luxury handbag business. Her acrylic clutches became a hit with Met Gala-going celebrities. Despite her success with accessories, she decided to pivot to a uniquely challenging industry: legal cannabis.She talks about what she learned working in Gucci PR during the Tom Ford era, why she entered the cannabis business, and the stigma she's still fighting.CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
01:30 From Gucci PR to Founding Edie Parker
07:30 The Kate Hudson Met Gala Bag That Started It All
11:00 Why She Pivoted to Cannabis
13:00 Why You Have to Be Vertically Integrated in Every State
15:00 The Stripes That Are "Too Appealing to Children"
20:30 What Trump's Rescheduling Order Actually Changes
28:00 Celebrity Campaigns: Pat Cleveland, Gabby Windey, and More
35:30 Why No Institutional Investor Will Touch Cannabis
39:30 Did the Cannabis Pivot Scare Off Handbag Customers?
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How Plastic Surgery Went Off the Rails [TEASER]
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As the founding editor of beauty magazine Allure, Linda Wells has seen it all, from the dawn of La Mer to the current age of plastic surgery overload. Now the editor of AirMail Look, she's been covering the craziest procedures, from rib-cracking and reshaping to $500k facelifts.
She discusses how plastic surgery has gone completely off the rails — and where this wild trend is going.
CHAPTERS:
01:15 – Beauty Trends of the 1980s
03:45 – The Wildest Trends in 2026
08:15 – The Growing Visibility of Plastic Surgery
15:05 – Why Surgeons Are Hunting for New Procedures
17:30 – The Sport of Celebrity Speculation
20:25 – Facelift Prices Are Up 400%
23:45 – The Risks of an International Operation
26:50 – Subscribe to Listen to the Full Episode!
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Emergency Gwyneth Paltrow Pod!
It started with turkey meatballs and ended with an endorsement deal that led the internet to call her "Gwynicide." Gwyneth Paltrow has had quite a slew of viral moments this month. I sat down with branding …
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It started with turkey meatballs and ended with an endorsement deal that led the internet to call her "Gwynicide." Gwyneth Paltrow has had quite a slew of viral moments this month. I sat down with branding expert and sociologist Ana Andjelic — CMO, author of the Sociology of Business newsletter, and host of the Hitmakers podcast — to talk about what this means (if anything) for Brand Gwyneth.
CHAPTERS:
00:00 – Introduction
01:00 – The Turkey Meatballs and the Arugula Meme
05:30 – Inside the Jade Egg Era of Goop
09:30 – The Trae Stephens Interview and the AI Weapons Controversy
18:00 – The 51 Park Israeli Real Estate Ad and the Backlash
21:00 – The Three Pillars of the Gwyneth Brand
24:30 – Is Goop Still Relevant?
26:00 – Why Goop Kitchen Is Struggling in New York
31:00 – Is Gwyneth an Asset or a Liability Now?
34:00 – Can Kinship Ventures Actually Succeed?
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