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Digitalized Differently: Ukraine and Europe

April 9, 2026 · 43 min

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What separates countries that succeed in digital government transformation from those that don't?

In this episode, Oleksandr Iefremov, CEO of Kitsoft, and Daniel Korski — one of the key pioneers of GovTech in Europe, former advisor to UK Prime Minister David Cameron discuss how Diia built trust in a country where trust in government has never been high, why Europe is divided between vanguards and laggards, and what it really takes to drive change.

"If the Ukrainians can do this at war, what can you do at peace?"

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