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Odesa in love and war - with Julian Evans

April 23, 2026 · 42 min

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Let’s travel for a moment. Imagine you are on the shore of the Black Sea, in Odesa—one of the most beautiful cities in Eastern Europe. Odesa possesses multiple identities and refuses to be trapped by a single definition. It is Jewish, French, Italian, Ukrainian, Crimean Tatar, Romanian, Moldovan, Greek, Bulgarian, and more. Both the Russian and Soviet empires sought to flatten this multiplicity into a single imperial identity. They failed. Today, in an act of resentment, Russia is attempting to destroy Odesa. Missiles and drones fall upon its historic center, a site of UNESCO World Heritage. Meanwhile, Odesa is seeking a new identity. It is a work in progress—not yet fully formed—which makes the city incredibly vibrant and, in many ways, still misunderstood. *** This is the “Explaining Ukraine” podcast. Host: Volodymyr Yermolenko, a Ukrainian philosopher, chief editor of UkraineWorld, and president of PEN Ukraine. Guest: Julian Evans, a British-Australian journalist, writer, traveler, and filmmaker. His latest book, Undefeatable: Odesa in Love and War, published by Scotland Street Press, shares his personal story of Odesa through his friendships and family connections. Book: https://www.scotlandstreetpress.com/product/undefeatable-odesa-in-love-and-war Explaining Ukraine is produced by UkraineWorld and brought to you by Internews Ukraine. *** Listen on various platforms: https://li.sten.to/explaining-ukraine UkraineWorld: https://ukraineworld.org/en *** SUPPORT: You can support our work on https://www.patreon.com/c/ukraineworld Your help is crucial, as we rely heavily on crowdfunding. You can also contribute to our volunteer missions to frontline areas in Ukraine, where we deliver aid to both soldiers and civilians. Donations are welcome via PayPal at: [email protected]. *** CONTENTS: 0:00. Intro. Odesa's Multifaceted Identity and Current War 5:13 Julian Evans' Personal Connection and Wartime Challenges 10:20 Odesa's European Roots Versus Russian Imperial Claims 15:25 The Changing Ukrainian Identity of Odesa 20:45 Dismantling the "Russian World" Imperial Fantasies about Odesa 25:50 Cultural De-Russification and Personal Impact 31:00 Human Stories and the Spirit of Odesan Survival 36:10 Odesa's Enduring Beauty and Resilience Under Attack 39:27 "Undefeatable Odesa": A Spirit of Freedom

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