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A postmortem for the controversial WoW patch 12.1.5 campaign lore

October 21, 2026 · 1 h 12 min

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Immediately after experiencing the story for World of Warcraft patch 12.1.5, Liz started yelling in work chat that she wanted to be on Lore Watch so she could yell about it there. So, as you may imagine, there are very heavy spoilers in this podcast for the campaign and raid in patch 12.1.5 -- though unless you're living under a rock you've likely heard the thoroughly negative buzz around this set of story beats. As the smoke clears, why does this set of story beats fall flat for us? What led us here? Heck, what happened?


The Loremasters start by running down the events of the campaign, then discuss some of the things that could have been done differently to make the story as it is more effective, by comparing it to other events of the past. And of course, we have some suggestions for what could have happened other than what did. Like, you know, anything else.

And because we're us, the crew wants to offer Lor'themar their most sincere Snickers bar.


If you want even more background story, we also have a guide to every Warcraft book in chronological order (for those of you who prefer reading that way).

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