Skip to content

Can the Phenomenon Be Both Hardware & Consciousness?

October 4, 2026 · 1 h 7 min

Show notes

In this episode of Need to Know, Bryce Zabel and Richard Dolan break down the sixth government UAP file release, including the newly released videos, historical documents, and 37 AAWSAP research papers exploring subjects like warp drives, traversable wormholes, advanced propulsion, and other frontier technologies. They also revisit Edward Ruppelt, Project Blue Book, and the remarkable continuity between what officials were saying about unexplained objects in 1952 and what government agencies are still saying today.

The conversation then turns to one of the biggest questions surrounding the phenomenon: Can UFOs be both physical technology and something connected to consciousness? Bryce shares the story behind the mysterious diagram given to him and Brent Friedman by a man claiming to be with the Office of Naval Intelligence at the 1996 Dark Skies premiere party. The drawing, later connected to concepts involving chakras, sound, light, frequency, and consciousness, raises deeper questions about why intelligence officials may have been interested in introducing these ideas into popular culture.

Bryce and Richard also explore remote viewing, the government's historic research into consciousness, Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ's work at SRI, and whether the UFO phenomenon itself may be forcing humanity to reconsider the relationship between mind, matter, and reality. The episode closes with new discussion surrounding former Secretary of Energy John Herrington, Brent Friedman's extraordinary 1981 story, and why these decades-old connections may still matter to the modern disclosure conversation. TAPO Link: https://us.store.tapo.com/products/tapo-c645d-kit

All episodes of Need To Know

Settings

Display

Language

Decides which stations you see first on the home page.

History

Recently played stations and episodes and your latest searches are only stored in this browser.

Notifications

A short notice when a podcast you follow has a new episode. Turn off single podcasts with the bell on their page.

Account

Save favorites – in the app and on the website.

Keyboard shortcuts

/
Open search
Space
Play or pause
← →
In the player: back 15 s, forward 30 s (episodes) · in a row: next tile
↑ ↓
In a row: target within the tile
Home / End
In a row: first or last tile
Esc
Close window or menu
?
This overview
Now playing

Go to station page

Play next

    Add episodes with “Play next” – they play after the current episode.