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No Ordinary Tech Podcast

NewAI vs AI: Can AI keep us safe from AI?November 11, 2026 · 25 min
Episodes
41
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every two weeks
Latest episode
Nov 11, 2026

About the podcast

The way we all manage money and assets is changing fast. 

From the rise of stablecoins to tokenised deposits, digital assets and new forms of financial infrastructure, how value is stored, moved and trusted is being fundamentally reshaped. 

To explore what this means for industry leaders, investors and customers, Lloyds Banking Group's COO Ron van Kemenade speaks to leading voices in digital finance - exploring what’s changing, what it means in practice, and how we build trust in this new financial system. 

Visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more

 

Contributors

  • Dr. Shini SomaraHost

Episodes 41

  1. AI vs AI: Can AI keep us safe from AI?

    25 minSeason 10 · Episode 1

    AI is changing the cyber security landscape, creating new capabilities for attackers and defenders. In the first episode of the new No Ordinary Tech Podcast series, Ron van Kemenade is joined by Snehal Antani …

  2. Beyond digital money: making it real

    27 minSeason 9 · Episode 3

    From tokenised homes to faster, simpler customer journeys, digital assets are beginning to move beyond money - into deeds, contracts and other forms of value. So, what happens as more of what we own, manage and …

  3. AI & Tokenisation: Coincidence or Convergence?

    30 minSeason 9 · Episode 2

    Two defining tech trends of 2026 - AI-driven decision-making and the tokenisation of financial infrastructure - are already reshaping finance. But what happens when they converge?From near real-time settlement …

  4. What is digital money and who trusts it?

    29 minSeason 9 · Episode 1

    Cut through the hype to explore trust, programmability and the forces shaping the future of finance.Join host Ron van Kemenade as he sits down with industry experts to unpack the rise of digital money - from …

  5. Becoming a CIO

    25 minSeason 8 · Episode 4

    What does it really take to become a Chief Information Officer? In this episode of the No Ordinary Tech Podcast, Dr. Shini Somara sits down with Amit Thawani (CIO, Lloyds Banking Group) and Allan Cockriel …

  6. Becoming an AI leader

    21 minSeason 8 · Episode 3

    What does it take to lead in the age of AI?From scaling innovation to shaping ethical frameworks, today’s AI leaders are redefining how organisations adapt to transformative technology. How do you build the …

    Show notes

    What does it take to lead in the age of AI?

    From scaling innovation to shaping ethical frameworks, today’s AI leaders are redefining how organisations adapt to transformative technology. How do you build the skills and mindset to thrive in a world where learning never stops? And what does responsible innovation really look like?

    Join Dr Zara Nanu MBE, CEO and co-founder of GapSquare, and Ranil Boteju, Chief Data & Analytics Officer at Lloyds Banking Group. Hear their insights on becoming an AI leader, why continuous learning matters, and how AI is unlocking creativity while reshaping the future of work.

    To explore career opportunities in technology and engineering, visit Careers – Lloyds Banking Group plc

  7. Becoming a CSO

    24 minSeason 8 · Episode 2

    The role of the Chief Security Officer has evolved from a back-office IT function into a strategic business enabler. How are today’s security leaders balancing the challenge of protecting assets while driving …

    Show notes

    The role of the Chief Security Officer has evolved from a back-office IT function into a strategic business enabler. How are today’s security leaders balancing the challenge of protecting assets while driving innovation? From operational resilience to boardroom influence, discover why security is now at the heart of business growth.

    Join Lindsey Bateman, CISO at M&G, and Manija Poulatova, security leader at Lloyds Banking Group, as they share their career journeys and insights on the evolving threat landscape. Learn how AI is reshaping defence strategies, why diverse and resilient teams matter, and the essential traits for modern CSOs.

    To explore career opportunities in technology and engineering, visit Careers - Lloyds Banking Group plc

  8. Becoming a Distinguished Engineer

    26 minSeason 8 · Episode 1

    The title of distinguished engineer originated in large tech organisations – most notably IBM – 30 years ago. But why is the role gaining more attention now and what does it actually mean to be one?In this …

    Show notes

    The title of distinguished engineer originated in large tech organisations – most notably IBM – 30 years ago. But why is the role gaining more attention now and what does it actually mean to be one?

    In this episode, recorded live at Leeds Digital Festival, Martin Borrett, Distinguished Engineer at IBM, and Leena Sharma, a technology leader at Lloyds Banking Group join our host Dr Shini Somara to explore how deep technical expertise, leadership and communication skills are shaping the future of careers in tech.

    Martin and Leena share personal career journeys, discuss the value of technical versus management career tracks, and highlight the importance of continuous learning and resilience in a rapidly evolving industry.

    To learn more about our career opportunities in technology and engineering visit Careers - Lloyds Banking Group plc

  9. Transforming a society through technology

    29 minSeason 7 · Episode 3

    What does it take to transform an entire nation? In this episode, Nandan Nilekani shares the inside story of how he led the creation of Aadhaar and India Stack. Hear how his team overcame scepticism and …

    Show notes

    What does it take to transform an entire nation?

    In this episode, Nandan Nilekani shares the inside story of how he led the creation of Aadhaar and India Stack. Hear how his team overcame scepticism and technical hurdles to build a digital public infrastructure that now powers instant banking, mobile access, and digital payments for millions - making India one of the world’s most inclusive digital societies.

    Tune in for an inspiring story of innovation, leadership, and the power of technology to unlock opportunity for all.

    Brought to you by Lloyds Banking Group. Visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more.

  10. Transforming the future of space exploration

    32 minSeason 7 · Episode 2

    A visit to Kennedy Space Centre as a child instilled a life-long passion for space in Tejpaul Bhatia - one that would inspire his journey to the very top of Axiom Space.Under his leadership, Axiom is …

    Show notes

    A visit to Kennedy Space Centre as a child instilled a life-long passion for space in Tejpaul Bhatia - one that would inspire his journey to the very top of Axiom Space.

    Under his leadership, Axiom is transforming the future of space exploration - enabling countries to send astronauts to space for the first time and inviting new players to enter the industry.

    Join Tejpaul and Lloyds Banking Group's Ron van Kemenade as they discuss everything from Prada to Platforms, and from orbital data centres to building the successor to the International Space Station.

    So, whether you're a techie, a dreamer, or a transformation leader, strap yourself in for a journey into the next frontier of human progress.

    Brought to you by Lloyds Banking Group. Visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more.

  11. Transforming a company for the digital age

    31 minSeason 7 · Episode 1

    Lloyds Banking Group, a 250+ year-old institution, is currently in the midst of the largest digital transformation in the sector, investing over £4bn in its people, processes, technology and data.Leading the …

    Show notes

    Lloyds Banking Group, a 250+ year-old institution, is currently in the midst of the largest digital transformation in the sector, investing over £4bn in its people, processes, technology and data.

    Leading the charge of this major transformation is CEO Charlie Nunn.

    What was the vision that sparked this change? And how has Charlie coped with the inevitable challenges that come with transforming a bank with such an established history?

    So, grab a brew and a biscuit (or two) as Group COO, Ron van Kemenade, takes up the hotseat as guest host for the first of our transformation mini-series.

  12. Accelerating transformation through start-ups

    31 minSeason 6 · Episode 7

    According to KPMG, the UK fintech sector attracted over $3.6 billion in investment in 2024, making it the second-largest fintech market in the world. What can big businesses learn from UK fintechs to help them …

    Show notes

    According to KPMG, the UK fintech sector attracted over $3.6 billion in investment in 2024, making it the second-largest fintech market in the world. What can big businesses learn from UK fintechs to help them transform their futures?

    To find out, Dr Shini Somara talks to William Tunstall-Pedoe - CEO of Unlikely AI and Founder of Evi, the tech that became the foundation for Amazon’s Alexa - and Ranil Boteju - Chief Data and Analytics Officer at Lloyds Banking Group.

    So, grab a brew and a biscuit (or two) for the final episode of the series, and enjoy a conversation on nimble pivots, risk-tasking and whether Benjamin Franklin or Robert Oppenheimer would make the better dream transformation hire…

    Brought to you by Lloyds Banking Group.

    Visit

    https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more.

  13. How next-gen microchips are a game-changer

    30 minSeason 6 · Episode 6

    A recent Deloitte report showed that microchips could be on course to become a TRILLION dollar industry by 2030. But what are the technologies that will unlock this growth - and power the future of …

    Show notes

    A recent Deloitte report showed that microchips could be on course to become a TRILLION dollar industry by 2030. But what are the technologies that will unlock this growth - and power the future of businesses?

    Discussing AI, Moore's Law, Neuromorphic computing and more are this week's guests Paul Williamson, a Senior Vice President at compute platform company Arm, and Admir Dedic, Head of Emerging Tech and Innovation at Lloyds Banking Group.

    Join us for a coffee as our guests share the challenges and opportunities the industry faces, how a culture of innovation is essential, and why a furniture maker is Paul's dream transformation hire...

    Brought to you by Lloyds Banking Group. Visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more.

  14. Unlocking control with Sovereign AI

    33 minSeason 6 · Episode 5

    The World Economic Forum names six strategic pillars for nations wanting to build their own sovereign AI capability. But what are the key pillars for businesses wanting to build their own 'sovereign&apos …

    Show notes

    The World Economic Forum names six strategic pillars for nations wanting to build their own sovereign AI capability. But what are the key pillars for businesses wanting to build their own 'sovereign' AI capabilities?

    To unlock the answers, we've invited David Hogan, VP of Enterprise for EMEA at NVIDIA, and Trystan Davies, Head of Data Science at Lloyds Banking Group, in for a coffee and a chat.

    Plus, David donates an idea worth a billion dollars to our essential transformation toolkit, and nominates a transformation hire whose story has been turned into one of the most successful documentaries in British cinema history.....

    Brought to you by Lloyds Banking Group. Visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more.

  15. Cyber Security - resilience in the digital age

    41 minSeason 6 · Episode 4

    Cyber security is high on the agenda for business leaders around the world. So, what are the key areas to focus on? How can your workforce form part of your defence in depth? And is there a role for artificial …

    Show notes

    Cyber security is high on the agenda for business leaders around the world. So, what are the key areas to focus on? How can your workforce form part of your defence in depth? And is there a role for artificial intelligence?

    To find out, we've asked Rachael Todd, Head of Cyber Security at Vodafone, and Matt Rowe, Chief Security Officer at Lloyds Banking Group, to share their experiences and insights over a coffee (or two).

    Plus, Rachael reveals the surprising group who influenced her donation to the essential transformation toolkit, and the sporting legend whose resilience would make them her dream transformation hire.

    Brought to you by Lloyds Banking Group. Visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more

  16. 2025 tech trends revisited

    40 minSeason 6 · Episode 3

    For this week's podcast we take a special look back at our episode from December 2024 on the big tech trends for 2025.Which came true? Which did we miss? What's yet to come? Have a listen to the …

    Show notes

    For this week's podcast we take a special look back at our episode from December 2024 on the big tech trends for 2025.

    Which came true? Which did we miss? What's yet to come? Have a listen to the episode and let us know how we did?

  17. Accelerating digital transformation with serverless computing

    30 minSeason 6 · Episode 2

    Serverless computing is growing at an incredible pace with the market expected to increase by 15% each year over the next five years.Today’s guest, Sheen Brisals, saw these benefits first-hand when he helped …

    Show notes

    Serverless computing is growing at an incredible pace with the market expected to increase by 15% each year over the next five years.

    Today’s guest, Sheen Brisals, saw these benefits first-hand when he helped Lego go serverless in just 10 months, before going on to become an AWS Serverless Hero.

    Joining him is Paul Gledhill, Lloyds Banking Group’s Serverless Engineering Lead, to talk efficiency and why servers are just like cars…

    Plus, discover the NASA technique Sheen donates to Lloyds' essential transformation toolkit and why his dream transformation hire steals like an artist!

  18. Transforming Productivity through Agentic AI

    37 minSeason 6 · Episode 1

    With its roots in Alan Turing’s work and named as a top emerging technology for 2025, Agentic AI is fast approaching - and not something businesses can afford to ignore.That’s why Dr Shini Somara has asked …

    Show notes

    With its roots in Alan Turing’s work and named as a top emerging technology for 2025, Agentic AI is fast approaching - and not something businesses can afford to ignore.

    That’s why Dr Shini Somara has asked Craig Suckling (Chief AI Officer, Europe at Capgemini) and Rohit Dhawan (Group Head of AI at Lloyds Banking Group) to share a coffee and chat through the technical, cultural and organisational challenges to harnessing this unique technology.

    Plus, which Jeff Bezos concept does Craig donate to Lloyds' essential transformation toolkit and which famous sportsman is his dream transformation hire?

    Brought to you by Lloyds Banking Group. Visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/who-we-are/group-overview/tech-and-transformation.html to learn more.

  19. The big tech trends for 2025

    40 minSeason 5 · Episode 3

    In this special episode, we’re looking at the biggest tech trends to look out for in 2025.Will AI continue to dominate the headlines and the business world, or are there other technologies that will steal the …

    Show notes

    In this special episode, we’re looking at the biggest tech trends to look out for in 2025.

    Will AI continue to dominate the headlines and the business world, or are there other technologies that will steal the limelight?

    Marc Esmiley, from Microsoft, Hari Shetty from Wipro and Martyn Atkinson from Lloyds Banking Group, join host Dr Shini Somara to discuss some of the biggest advances in technology for business and consumers this year, and share what tech they think will make the biggest impact in 2025.

    To learn more about our digital transformation and career opportunities in technology and engineering visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=buzzsprout&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=notps5e3

  20. What has tech ever done for us?

    40 minSeason 5 · Episode 2

    Technology has been growing at a rapid pace, from smartphones and digital connectivity to AI and the Cloud. All of these have made a huge impact on the way we live and work.But with any powerful new …

    Show notes

    Technology has been growing at a rapid pace, from smartphones and digital connectivity to AI and the Cloud. All of these have made a huge impact on the way we live and work.

    But with any powerful new technologies there can be downsides too. How can we ensure safety, maintain privacy and make tech a force for good?

    In this episode, Michael Conway from IBM, Aman Kohli from Evolv Technologies and Kim Verhaaf from Lloyds Banking Group discuss how tech is shaping our world.

    CTA: Check out our opportunities in tech & data – https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=buzzsprout&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=notps5e2

  21. Accelerating tech and skills for a digital world

    35 minSeason 5 · Episode 1

    The last few years has seen huge progression in the development of technologies such as AI that are set to have a huge impact on industry and increase automation. What tech and engineering skills do businesses …

    Show notes

    The last few years has seen huge progression in the development of technologies such as AI that are set to have a huge impact on industry and increase automation. What tech and engineering skills do businesses need now, and in the future, and how do we bridge the digital skills gap?

    In this episode, Anna Brailsford, CEO of Code First: Girls and Amit Thawani, CIO Insurance, Pensions and Investments at Lloyds Banking Group, discuss these important questions and how both businesses and individuals can, and should, be adapting to a digital world.

    To learn more about our digital transformation and career opportunities in technology and engineering visit https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=buzzsprout&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=notps5e1

  22. Is the Metaverse dead?

    34 minSeason 4 · Episode 4

    Once hailed as the future of digital interaction, the Metaverse promised to revolutionise how we connect, work and play. But has it lived up to the hype? Join our experts, Suresh Balaji CMO of Lloyds Banking …

    Show notes

    Once hailed as the future of digital interaction, the Metaverse promised to revolutionise how we connect, work and play. But has it lived up to the hype?

    Join our experts, Suresh Balaji CMO of Lloyds Banking Group, Dr. Christina Yan Zhang CEO of The Metaverse Institute, and Michael Litman Senior Director Emerging Tech Innovation Strategy of Monks... as they discuss the current state of the Metaverse.

    Is it truly a fading trend? Or does it still hold the potential to transform our daily lives?

    Check out our opportunities in tech & data – https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=buzzsprout&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTPS4E4

  23. The Quantum Age is coming; are we ready?

    40 minSeason 4 · Episode 3

    The advancement of quantum technology could lead to a golden age of discovery, but while it has the potential to solve complex problems we can’t today, it also has a dark side. In this episode Adam Hammond from …

    Show notes

    The advancement of quantum technology could lead to a golden age of discovery, but while it has the potential to solve complex problems we can’t today, it also has a dark side. In this episode Adam Hammond from IBM, Simon Benjamin from the University of Oxford, and Meera Sarma from Cystel, discuss the development of this technology and the incredible power of quantum computers.

    Will quantum open up new horizons in chemistry, healthcare and wider industry? Or will it pose huge cyber security risks for people, businesses and governments? Join our experts as they discuss these questions, and the steps businesses can take today to ensure they are ready for a post-quantum world.

    Check out our opportunities in tech & data – https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=buzzsprout&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTPS4E3

  24. Blockchain: hype or reality?

    46 minSeason 4 · Episode 2

    Just a few years ago, blockchain was the tech trend on everyone’s lips. But where is blockchain now? In this episode, experts Simon Taylor from Sardine and Elise Soucie from Global Digital Finance explore …

    Show notes

    Just a few years ago, blockchain was the tech trend on everyone’s lips. But where is blockchain now? In this episode, experts Simon Taylor from Sardine and Elise Soucie from Global Digital Finance explore blockchain’s past, present and future - and discuss whether regulation, new use cases or a rebrand will be what brings blockchain back to the forefront.

    Want to be part of making blockchain and other new tech a reality? Visit the Lloyds Banking Group careers site: https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=buzzsprout&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTPS4E2

  25. Whatever happened to…

    31 minSeason 4 · Episode 1

    What makes new tech fly or fail? With all eyes on AI, this episode shifts focus to the tech that never was (or might soon be!). Join experts Pascal Finette from be radical, Chris Green from Microsoft and Patrik …

    Show notes

    What makes new tech fly or fail? With all eyes on AI, this episode shifts focus to the tech that never was (or might soon be!). Join experts Pascal Finette from be radical, Chris Green from Microsoft and Patrik Zekkar from Enigio as they discuss why Google glasses were so ‘rubbish’ and if next year is really THE year for quantum computing.

    Want to be part of the UK’s largest tech transformation? Visit the Lloyds Banking Group careers site: https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=buzzsprout&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTPS4E1

  26. How is Generative AI revolutionising the future of work?

    31 minSeason 3 · Episode 4

    In the last of our episodes on Generative AI, we explore how AI is shaping the future of work. Our expert panellists – Bryan Hancock from McKinsey, Brent Hecht from Microsoft and Dr. Raoul-Gabriel Urma from …

    Show notes

    In the last of our episodes on Generative AI, we explore how AI is shaping the future of work. Our expert panellists – Bryan Hancock from McKinsey, Brent Hecht from Microsoft and Dr. Raoul-Gabriel Urma from Cambridge Spark – dive into the big questions for today’s workforce: Will AI take my job? How can I use AI to work faster and smarter? What AI skills do I need to build for the future?

    If you’re interested in shaping Generative AI in financial services, visit the Lloyds Banking Group careers site: https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTP_S3E4

  27. Harnessing the limitless potential of Generative AI

    32 minSeason 3 · Episode 3

    Since the emergence of ChatGPT began revolutionising the possibilities of Gen AI, how are large organisations adopting, using and scaling it?That’s the topic up for discussion this week, with Kate chatting to …

    Show notes

    Since the emergence of ChatGPT began revolutionising the possibilities of Gen AI, how are large organisations adopting, using and scaling it?

    That’s the topic up for discussion this week, with Kate chatting to our episode experts Dr Michael Bronstein - DeepMind Professor of AI, Dr Ella Rabener - Boston Consulting Group, and Ranil Boteju - Lloyds Banking Group.

    What is AI's impact on everything from the topline to attracting talent? Are businesses taking enough risks? How are industries from beauty to banking, healthcare and beyond using it to transform the way they operate?

    We’re diving into all this and more.

    Check out our opportunities in tech & data- https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTP_S3E3


  28. What are the ethical and broader risks associated with Generative AI?

    32 minSeason 3 · Episode 2

    This week, our industry experts, Ranil Boteju - Chief Data and Analytics Officer at Lloyds Banking Group, Maria Axente - Head of AI Public Policy and Ethics at PwC, and Farah Khalique - Editor of Banking Risk …

    Show notes

    This week, our industry experts, Ranil Boteju - Chief Data and Analytics Officer at Lloyds Banking Group, Maria Axente - Head of AI Public Policy and Ethics at PwC, and Farah Khalique - Editor of Banking Risk and Regulation at the FT, discuss the risks and ethical considerations when using Generative AI.

    The episode looks at the scope of regulation and guardrails in the UK, the US, and Europe. Alongside the impacts on society, the environment, and economic crime.

    Check out our opportunities in tech & data – https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTP_S3E2

  29. How does Generative AI really work?

    32 minSeason 3 · Episode 1

    Over the next few episodes, we’ll be exploring the exciting world of Generative AI. Taking a closer look at how it works, how it was developed, how it’s shaping the future of work and real-world examples of how …

    Show notes

    Over the next few episodes, we’ll be exploring the exciting world of Generative AI. Taking a closer look at how it works, how it was developed, how it’s shaping the future of work and real-world examples of how we are using GenAI today.

    In this new episode, our industry experts Nick Brady from Microsoft, Dr Lukasz Szpruch Professor of Mathematics at Edinburgh University, alongside Lloyds Banking Group’s Head of Data Science, Trystan Davies deep dive into what GenAI is, what it can do and how it is shaping the world we live in.

    Check out our opportunities in tech & data – https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTP_S3E1

  30. The future. How to modernise tech.

    32 minSeason 2 · Episode 4

    This week... Michael Conway from IBM, Paul Taylor from Thought Machine and Sharon Barber from Lloyds Banking Group, discuss the challenges & opportunities of modernising legacy technology. What are the issues …

    Show notes

    This week... Michael Conway from IBM, Paul Taylor from Thought Machine and Sharon Barber from Lloyds Banking Group, discuss the challenges & opportunities of modernising legacy technology.

    What are the issues posed by legacy systems? How can organisations implement strategies for simplifying and updating outdated technology infrastructures?

    We're uncovering the keys to successful modernisation.

    Check out our opportunities in tech & data – https://www.lloydsbankinggroup.com/careers.html?utm_source=spotify&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=transformation&utm_term=organic&utm_content=NOTP_S2



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