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Soderbergh Ep. 33: Unsane (2018) with Esmé Holden

June 5, 2026 · 2 h 18 min

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It'll be a lot easier for everyone if you just listen to our episode on UNSANE, Soderbergh's 2018 shot-on-iPhone experiment that's otherwise a pretty solid thriller! Writer Esmé Holden returns to the show after far too long to talk smartphone aesthetics, involuntary holds, whether all doctors are cops or just most of them, the intersections of mental illness and misogyny and transphobia, and a very special man by the name of Gavin de Becker. Wonderful guest, wonderful conversation, check it out!

Heads up: there's a very brief bit of rough audio right when our guest starts speaking, but it clears up quickly.

Further Reading:

The Gift of Fear by Gavin de Becker

"Still The Smartest Guy On The Hill 30 Years After Sex, Lies & Videotape: Steven Soderbergh Unravels Hollywood Chaos" by Mike Fleming, Jr. https://deadline.com/2019/01/steven-soderbergh-sundance-slamdance-icon-interview-1202544513/

Further Viewing:

GASLIGHT (Cukor, 1944)

SHOCK CORRIDOR (Fuller, 1963)

THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (Demme, 1991)

THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT (Myrick & Sánchez, 1999)

SIDE EFFECTS (Soderbergh, 2013)

TANGERINE (Baker, 2015)

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https://substack.com/@esmeholden

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Hosted and produced by Ian Rhine and Jake Serwin. Additional production by Ryan Torgeson.

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