Skip to content

AI Diffusion: A Proposed Path for Industry & Government

May 1, 2025 · 26 min

Show notes

Mike & Brent propose an AI Diffusion Rule path forward to help both companies and the U.S. government. They start with an update on last-minute reporting before the episode was published (00:00) then cover the attention the AI Diffusion Rule is getting before its May 15, 2025 compliance date (03:56), the Rule’s similarity’s to the First World War’s “rationing system” for export controls (08:08), a report by Barath Harithas of the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) about the AI Diffusion Rule (09:15), how the AI Diffusion Rule incorporates by reference for companies in Tier 2 countries several new U.S. inbound and outbound restrictions that turn on the “high probability” standard (10:53), a CSIS report by Gregory C. Allen on DeepSeek and AI export controls in which Allen raises concerns about a high-regulation, low enforcement (or high loopholes) environment—which Mike & Brent refer to as Allen’s “One-Way Policy Fallacy” (13:21), and what Tier 2 countries (e.g., India, Israel, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE)—and their U.S. design or manufacturing companies can do to best position customers in such countries to have national companies become National Validated End Users to obtain more chips (19:07). They conclude with the latest installment, back by ever-increasing popular demand, of Brent Carlson’s “Managing-Up” segment (23:51).

CSIS, Barath Harithas, The AI Diffusion Framework: Securing U.S. AI Leadership While Preempting Strategic Drift (Feb. 18, 2025): https://www.csis.org/analysis/ai-diffusion-framework-securing-us-ai-leadership-while-preempting-strategic-drift

CSIS, Gregory C. Allen, DeepSeek, Huawei, Export Controls, and the Future of the U.S.-China AI Race (Mar. 7, 2025): https://www.csis.org/analysis/deepseek-huawei-export-controls-and-future-us-china-ai-race

Gregory C. Allen’s “AI Policy” Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ai-policy-podcast/id1726253148

Bloomberg Law, Michael Huneke, Outbound Investment Rule Embraces New National Security Paradigm (Nov. 7, 2024): https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/outbound-investment-rule-embraces-new-national-security-paradigm-1

More about Brent: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brent-carlson-41ba692/

More about Mike: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mhuneke/

Their “Fresh Looks” series: https://www.hugheshubbard.com/fresh-looks

All episodes of Red Flags Rising

Settings

Display

Language

Decides which stations you see first on the home page.

History

Recently played stations and episodes and your latest searches are only stored in this browser.

Notifications

A short notice when a podcast you follow has a new episode. Turn off single podcasts with the bell on their page.

Account

Save favorites – in the app and on the website.

Keyboard shortcuts

/
Open search
Space
Play or pause
← →
In the player: back 15 s, forward 30 s (episodes) · in a row: next tile
↑ ↓
In a row: target within the tile
Home / End
In a row: first or last tile
Esc
Close window or menu
?
This overview
Now playing

Go to station page

Play next

    Add episodes with “Play next” – they play after the current episode.