Spirit Gym with Paul Chek
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About the podcast
Get ready for a no-holds-barred exploration of life and why we’re all here. Each week, world-renowned Holistic Health Practitioner Paul Chek and his guests will tackle topics like spirituality and metaphysics, human performance, diet, science, plant medicine, relationships, sexuality, lifestyle, and personal development with a depth and honesty that you won’t find anywhere else. Previously called Living 4D with Paul Chek, the podcast changed name to Spirit Gym with Paul Chek on Episode 300.
Episodes 422
423 — Can People Really See Blindfolded? With Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan
Is it possible for humans — especially children — to see while blindfolded? You can if you change your perception of the world around you…Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan shares why she left the lucrative high-tech world …
Show notes
Is it possible for humans — especially children — to see while blindfolded? You can if you change your perception of the world around you…
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan shares why she left the lucrative high-tech world behind to become a Chinese medicine doctor and explains how she trains children and adults to see without their eyes this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Dr. Edith’s upcoming Luminous Blindfold Vision training sessions for children and adults and her other programs at her website. Join her and Dalia Burgoin for Luminous Adult Blindfold training sessions on Feb. 4-6, 2027 and Feb. 8-10, 2027 in Gainesville, Fla., and March 4-6, 2027 and March 8-10, 2027 in Austin at this link. Also, Dr. Edith invites listeners to attend her free, monthly Tea with Dr. E online gatherings at this link.
Find out more about Dr. Edith via social media on Instagram and YouTube.
Timestamps
5:45 From a Harvard education and a high-tech career to quitting cold turkey and becoming a Chinese medicine doctor.
9:32 A Qigong class during her studies guided Dr. Edith to a meditative state where there is “no space, just infinite pieces of love and life.”
15:00 Coming back to “reality” from her journey was emotional and recalibrated Dr. Edith’s inner compass forever.
26:33 How would you feel after spending nine days and nights in total darkness?
30:33 What are you willing to sacrifice for?
35:46 “The greatest wisdom I’ve come across is always super-paradoxical.”
49:43 “Who am I if I can see blindfolded?
55:05 Blindfold vision training.
1:01:40 “Life is actually a lot simpler than we’ve been told.”
1:11:35 Dr. Edith shares context to what intuition really means through blindfold vision training.
1:15:51 Luminous Education Revolution.
1:22:17 The Telepathy Tapes.
1:37:50 Defining intuition.
1:43:11 “I thought I signed up for a mindsight or blindfold vision retreat and what I got was oneness training.”
1:51:02 To experience miracles naturally in your life, drop your expectations and embrace your child-like playful state.
1:55:30 Dr. Edith’s single experience with ayahuasca.
2:06:55 The origin of Dr. Edith’s middle name.
Resources
SuperWellness: Become Your Own Best Healer by Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan
Superhuman: The Invisible Made Visible on Gaia
Paul’s podcast conversation with Josh Trent
The work of Fred Allen Wolf and Iain McGilchrist
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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422 — Your Water Isn’t Just H20 With Joseph Johnson
For a very long time, Paul has talked about the importance of clean water for a very good reason: Without dependable access to clean water, at the very least, your health will be seriously compromised (if not …
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For a very long time, Paul has talked about the importance of clean water for a very good reason: Without dependable access to clean water, at the very least, your health will be seriously compromised (if not far worse).
So, how do you ensure the water coming from your local source is as clean as possible?
Joseph Johnson shares an amazing journey that led him to develop a group of H3RO water structuring devices, thanks to a download of information he received in a second followed by a decade of the study and hard work it took to create them this week on Spirit Gym.
Email Joseph any questions you have about his H3RO water devices at this link. Learn more about Joseph’s work on Instagram.
For Spirit Gym listeners: Save 5% on Joseph’s water structuring devices at this link when you use the code PAULCHEK at checkout.
Timestamps
6:43 Could plants and trees create alchemical reactions in soil on their own?
13:04 Why is our planet losing oxygen?
16:50 Wiping out of cyanobacteria in our atmosphere is creating a slow extinction event.
22:57 Why are humans trying and failing to be smarter than nature?
30:18 What happens to grains intended for animal feed that are laced with high levels of mycotoxins?
36:47 “What do you think about glyphosate?”
48:03 Joseph tests structured water on soil treated with glyphosate.
53:34 Could the structured water produced by Joseph’s devices enhance the detox capacities of the people drinking it?
1:00:02 The science of spectrometry.
1:05:41 Water and consciousness.
1:20:04 It took Joseph a decade of study and an unexpected force from somewhere to help him build an effective structured water product but cannot explain (to his own satisfaction) how he got the idea for it.
1:30:33 Joseph describes how glyphosate is permeating once-unthinkable areas and blunting plant growth due to spraying on roadways and national forests.
1:35:13 “Water is the carrier that allows for the assembly of everything.”
1:45:35 Comparing H2O to H3O2.
1:49:24 The light factor.
1:57:47 “I think I look better as a cult leader than you.”
Resources
Biological Transmutation by C. Louis Kervan and George Ohsawa
The work of Justus von Liebig, Isaac Newton and Dr. Gerald Pollack
Clathrate (cage-like) compounds
Paul’s podcast conversation with Dr. Autumn Smith
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Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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421 — Quit Paying to Feel Worse: Redirect It Into Your Health With Eugene Trufkin
Today, the world is facing a serious health crisis that’s pretty similar to another catastrophe nearly 100 years ago although we have more knowledge and tools at our fingertips than ever before to make a …
Show notes
Today, the world is facing a serious health crisis that’s pretty similar to another catastrophe nearly 100 years ago although we have more knowledge and tools at our fingertips than ever before to make a positive and meaningful impact on our health.
However, today’s challenges are so grave what passes for modern medicine has shifted the goalposts so much that being obese is considered normal and healthy.
Paul and HLC Practitioner Eugene Trufkin, author of the new book American Culture and Normalized Pathology: When Obesity, Misery, Medical Drug Dependence and Disease Becomes a Normal Way of Life, share their vast expertise on living a better, healthier life by mastering simple principles this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Eugene at his Trufkin athletics website. Find him on social media via Facebook and Instagram. Check out his Eugene Trufkin Radio podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get them.
Timestamps
7:47 Creating a healthier lifestyle less focused on work inspired Eugene to write his latest book.
10:14 “Americans have somehow figured out a way to become mentally and physically the sickest humans in all of human history.”
24:01 Humans are buried in bad, dumbed-down health information.
34:31 “Think of epigenetics as our environment playing the keys on a piano.”
40:49 Can you reduce your expenses and live on a shorter work week?
59:37 How much more does it cost (in health expenses) to maintain an overweight or obese body?
1:14:00 The estimated cost of living on a 2,000-calorie organic diet for a year.
1:25:38 The pioneer of the organic food movement.
1:37:20 Humans are built as integrated, holistic, cybernetic systems, yet the allopathic medical system still looks at us as separate parts.
1:49:53 “I know you get it, but are you doing it?”
1:56:49 Are you following the path of average?
Resources
Anti-Factory Farm Shopping Guide and Laws of Aesthetics by Eugene Trufkin
Animal Farm by George Orwell
The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul, John Wilkinson and Robert Merton
Against The Machine: On the Unmaking of Humanity by Paul Kingsnorth
The work of Sir Robert McCarrison, Matt Kahn and Stephen Wolinsky
The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden
The Living Soil and the Haughley Experiment by Lady Evelyn Barbara Balfour
The Peckham Experiment by Innes Hope Pearse
The 1-2-3-4 of Overcoming Addiction, Obesity and Disease by Paul
Paul’s podcast conversations with Eben Britton, Jason Pickard and Dr. Autumn Smith
Find more resources for this episode on our website.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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420 — Why Psilocybin Belongs in a Church, Not a Clinic With Eric Osborne
More than a decade ago, Eric Osborne co-founded the world’s first public psilocybin retreat In Jamaica (MycoMeditations) on the heels of Michael Pollan’s revelatory New Yorker feature, The Trip …
Show notes
More than a decade ago, Eric Osborne co-founded the world’s first public psilocybin retreat In Jamaica (MycoMeditations) on the heels of Michael Pollan’s revelatory New Yorker feature, The Trip Treatment.
Eventually, Eric left the world of wellness retreats behind to establish Psanctuary, a Louisville, Ky., church that allowed him to create an ideal environment where he could build a permanent and legal community that focuses on people and healing with psilocybin.
Eric Osborne shares his amazing journey from teen snake-charmer to spiritual leader and healer, explains why a church is the best place to do psychedelic work and reveals what he learned from his first experience with psilocybin at age 19 that he keeps exploring even now, this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Eric and his work at his website and his Psanctuary website (where you can check out his My Mushroom Map mini-course). Sign up to read the first chapter of his upcoming book, The Psychedelic Reformation, at this link. Find Eric on social media via Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and TikTok.
For Spirit Gym listeners: Eric is offering Spirit Gym listeners a 10 percent discount on all three courses Psanctuary teaches — his upcoming live, three-session My Mushroom Map Bootcamp (via Zoom) starting on Monday, Oct. 26 and Level 1: MySelf Training and Level 2: Friends and Family Spaceholder Training geared for people seeking out deeper journeys — through this special link. Save 10 percent on these courses by using the promo code SPIRITGYM at checkout.
Timestamps
3:39 Eric’s scientific obsession with snakes introduced him to the world of taboo subjects, like mushrooms.
10:57 A sovereign being in a spiritual space.
19:23 “I've learned more from plant medicines than all the books I've ever read in my life and I've read a lot of them.”
24:14 Do you fear consuming mushrooms because you’ll find out what entities are already possessing you?
35:24 Applying material science to psychedelics can be a real problem.
41:40 What Eric learned in his first mushroom experience that he will keep exploring for the rest of his life.
48:18 Eric believes a church is the best place to do psychedelic work.
57:45 Why do so many consider scientism a religion?
1:02:13 Are mushrooms conscious entities?
1:16:31 Eric communicates with mushrooms.
1:49:44 Eric leaves the Jamaica retreat he created to build Psanctuary, a Kentucky-based church.
1:59:49 “Quantum biology will teach us more about the psychedelic experience and what is happening in these states than psychology will.”
2:08:06 “Losing your mind is the entry point to becoming everything.”
2:13:41 Eric is very cautious before he considers playing a role in a ceremony.
2:23:39 Eric’s philosophy on working with someone in a ceremony: “I’m here to help you learn how to use this medicine on your own.”
2:29:24 Could psychedelic therapy wake people up to their own personal empowerment or perpetuate their codependency?
2:37:45 People can come to psilocybin with help from clinical professionals but they’re really not equipped to support you through this sacred experience.
2:47:38 “We cannot truly be ourselves or discover ourselves without a community.”
Resources
Eric’s recent podcast conversation with Kyle Kingsbury
Podcaster Shawn Ryan shares his experience with Ibogaine on YouTube
How Psychedelics Work: The Hidden Mind and Our Power to Heal by Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris
The work of Hunter S. Thompson, Thomas Merton, Paul Stamets, Iain McGilchrist, Albert Hofmann and Rupert Sheldrake
Owning Your Own Shadow: Understanding The Dark Side of Psyche by Robert A. Johnson
Paul’s podcast conversations with Hamilton Souther, Robert Forte, Dr. Nathan Riley and Sasha Latypova
Paul’s solocasts on Lucifer, Christ and Ahriman and Shadow Work
Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything by Ervin Laszlo
The Unknown Spirit by Jean Charon
The Are You Possessed? audio program with Paul and Kaedrich Olsen
Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility by James Carse
Food of the Gods by Terence McKenna
Find more resources for this episode on our website.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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419 — Vaccines, Virology and Cancer Statistics With Sasha Latypova
What’s contained/not contained in vaccines and why isn’t it regulated? After all these years, why is the polio vaccine still a sacred cow? Why has Robert F. Kennedy Jr. not made the impact in human health at …
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What’s contained/not contained in vaccines and why isn’t it regulated? After all these years, why is the polio vaccine still a sacred cow? Why has Robert F. Kennedy Jr. not made the impact in human health at the federal level so many people expected?
Explore the scientific truth behind the fiction with former pharmaceutical R&D executive Sasha Latypova this week on Spirit Gym.
Read Sasha’s work on Substack, including her Summary of Everything and Quick Links Update January 2026.
Timestamps
4:19 Most pharmaceutical professionals don’t understand biologics — drugs derived from living organisms — are totally different.
6:28 By the spring of 2020 (the beginning of COVID), Sasha noticed the FDA was behaving in ways she’d never seen before.
10:18 The TeGenero scandal.
19:15 Falling into mental traps and pretending into real problems.
25:10 The differing concepts of error versus intention.
37:10 “Germ theory consciousness is fundamentally based on fear.”
43:12 Fear-mongering and propaganda from medical “experts” really works.
49:56 “People need to understand that virology is not a science.”
56:59 The truth about cancer.
1:08:14 If cancer is driven by exposures, how did its demographic profile change so radically over the course of a century?
1:15:04 Nixon’s war on cancer.
1:21:22 The great business of imaginary spirit cooking.
1:30:09 The polio vaccine is a sacred cow.
1:45:43 The Biologics Control Act/Virus-Toxin Law of 1902.
1:52:01 Nothing about biologics is regulated, even in vaccines.
1:56:37 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wasn’t the defender for public health Sasha, Paul and many others expected.
2:02:07 “[RFK Jr.] has no values and does what his handlers tell him to do.”
2:17:28 Glyphosate.
2:28:08 Diffusion tactics that distract you from the truth.
2:35:25 “Smoking is hazardous to your health” falsehoods.
2:59:17 “Don’t endow tools [like AI] with superhuman properties.”
3:02:50 The crisis of daily living is always the same, so take as much responsibility as you can for the decisions you make.
3:10:51 “Make sure your picture of reality is accurate.”
Resources
Sasha’s What is Cancer: a Comprehensive Theory of Causes and Mechanisms essay on Substack
Sasha’s 175+ Years of Cancer: The Big Picture the Establishment Doesn’t Want You to See essay on Substack
Sasha’s conversation with Dr. Andrew Kaufman on YouTube
Sasha’s conversations with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Militarized Healthcare and leaked Moderna files
The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul, John Wilkinson and Robert Merton
How Bad is My Batch website
NIH’s Cancer Stat Facts
Voltaire on Inoculation
Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS)
The Science Delusion by Rupert Sheldrake
Paul’s podcast conversations with Dr. Alexis Cowan, Dr. Tom Cowan and Dr. Sherry Tenpenny
What Really Makes You Ill?: Why Everything You Thought About Disease is Wrong by Dawn Lester and David Parker
The work of Charles Richet, Theron Randolph, Edward Edinger, Sir Robert McCarrison and Dr. Alton Ochsner
Outbreak (movie)
DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral by Leonard Horowitz
Against The Machine: On the Unmaking of Humanity by Paul Kingsnorth
Missing Links with Gregg Braden on Gaia
Find more resources for this episode on our website.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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418 — The Well-Rounded Woman With Natasha Kingsbury
Rather than struggle for perfection, analytical psychologist Carl Jung believes being a well-rounded man/woman is a better, smarter and healthier goal in life.So, what exactly are the traits of a well-rounded …
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Rather than struggle for perfection, analytical psychologist Carl Jung believes being a well-rounded man/woman is a better, smarter and healthier goal in life.
So, what exactly are the traits of a well-rounded woman? Paul explores what that means in today’s world with wife, mother and painter Natasha Kingsbury (her husband is the amazing Kyle Kingsbury) who keeps her mind wide open to new possibilities this week on Spirit Gym.
Check out Natasha and her family on Instagram. Contact Natasha through her husband’s Kingsbu website. Download a PDF of Natasha’s amazing art she and Paul discuss toward the end of their conversation at this link.
Timestamps
5:45 If you could go back in time, would you change anything about your past?
10:35 Natasha’s introduction to plant medicines.
21:14 Meridians and bee/wasp stings.
27:29 Natasha’s first painting of a human being — Paul — was a perfect one.
36:46 “I’ve found it’s easier to do deeper healing work if you have a healthy, stable woman with you.”
42:21 Natasha’s worldview: Prepare for the future.
58:27 Balance.
1:11:05 “I want [my kids] to hear both sides of an issue.”
1:27:18 Over the past decade, Natasha has learned more about her body and how it works than ever before.
1:39:09 Red Tent rituals.
1:46:20 Natasha recommends The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz as a great postpartum book for women.
2:04:33 The version of open relationships for Natasha and Kyle was very different than others.
2:09:07 Natasha and Kyle return to monogamy and learned not to overshare so much.
2:31:17 The 18-month honeymoon phase of a relationship is real.
2:43:10 What art means to Natasha.
2:47:51 Natasha sits with God when she paints.
2:52:22 Natasha shares some of her paintings she gifts to others.
3:00:36 The snow leopard connection.
3:09:12 Natasha knows the gender of your baby before she/he is born.
3:18:18 “All of my friends know I want crow friends.”
Resources
Thus Spoke The Plant by Monica Gagliano and Suzanne Simard
The Secret Life of Plants documentary on YouTube
The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird
Primary Perception: Biocommunication With Plants, Living Foods and Human Cells by Cleve Backster
The Ever-Present Origin Part 1 by Jean Gebser
Nonviolent Communication: The Basics As I Know and Use Them by Wayland Myers
The work of Rowena Kryder
Paul’s podcast conversations with Aubrey Marcus and Kyle Kingsbury, Dr. Keith Witt, Emily Abbott and Mike Salemi
Find more resources for this episode on our website.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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417 — Surprising Nutrition Truths No One Told You Until Now With Dr. Autumn Smith
It’s just a fact that people are far more tuned into current events — AI, data centers, bad TV shows and politics — while their eyes are glued to their mobile phones than what they put in their mouths, thus …
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It’s just a fact that people are far more tuned into current events — AI, data centers, bad TV shows and politics — while their eyes are glued to their mobile phones than what they put in their mouths, thus putting their health at a far greater risk than ever before.
The bigger problem: There’s a wealth of research that shows how and why eating nutrient-rich organic food and grass-fed meats really matters but few know about it outside the realm of research.
Dr. Autumn Smith, co-founder of Paleovalley and Wild Pastures, shares what she’s learned about glycine (one of the most overlooked nutrients in modern nutrition), brain nutrition and what you should be avoiding this week on Spirit Gym.
Download Autumn’s presentation she shares during her Spirit Gym conversation with Paul — The Glycine Gap — at this link.
Learn more about Autumn’s inspiring journey on YouTube and watch her eight-part ReThink Meat series here. Follow Autumn on social media via Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Watch/listen to her ReThink Health podcast at the Paleovalley website, YouTube, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get them.
For Living 4D listeners: Check out Paleovalley’s sister company Wild Pastures and their amazing variety wild-caught seafood, pasture-raised chicken and pork and 100 percent grass-fed and finished beef. Sign up for a home delivery subscription and save 20 percent off for life along with free shipping and $15 on your first order. And, don’t forget to save 15 percent on any Paleovalley products you buy at this link.
Timestamps
8:21 What is glycine?
13:25 Who has the highest levels of glycine in their bodies: Vegans or carnivores?
18:03 The lack of glycine spurs faster aging.
24:10 Rend mode versus mend mode.
31:51 Autumn’s obsession with the many positive ways the brain interacts with nutrition.
39:00 The power of three.
45:43 Low plasma glycine: A very consistent biomarker of insulin resistance.
56:04 What’s more effective: Getting more glycine in a supplement or food?
59:45 Common questions about glycine.
1:05:35 Have you tried a bone broth fast?
1:10:26 Autumn shares the results of her work with Dr. Stephan Van Vliet on the Beef Nutrient Density Project.
1:13:33 The Omega-3 Index, the benefits of eating pasture-raised/grass-fed animals and the wisdom of your body.
1:21:51 Could mercury warnings for pregnant women be doing more harm than good?
1:25:53 Brain nutrition is so poor, could average IQs drop sharply over the next four decades?
1:36:04 Are you eating too much liver?
1:44:25 How you can be fooled by Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) laws.
1:49:27 Does the citric acid in your food come from mold?
1:53:55 Lab-grown meats.
1:59:08 The spread of data centers and how it could affect our health.
2:06:20 Wild Pastures Burger Co. is growing!
Resources
The Glycine Miracle: The Science of Living Long and Free from Inflammation by Dr. Joel Brind
Autumn’s conversation with Dr. Joel Brind on her ReThink Health podcast
The Shrinking Brain: Mental Health is affected by poor brain nutrition by Michael Crawford and David E. Marsh
The work of Stephanie Seneff, Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, Dr. Joseph Hibbeln and Dr. Bill Harris
Autumn’s work on the Journal of Animal Science study, Nutritional composition of beef: a comparison of commercial North-American grass- and grain-finishing systems
Autumn’s conversation with Dr. Anthony Hulbert about achieving Omega balance on her ReThink Health podcast
Oneness vs. the 1% by Vandana and Kartikey Shiva
Paul’s podcast conversations with Dr. Ibrahim Karim, Dolf Zantinge and Dr. Robert Gilbert
How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy 20th Anniversary Edition
The Great Plant-Based Con by Jayne Buxton
The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe by Jeremy Lent
Find more resources for this episode on our website.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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416 — Stop Treating Pain Like the Enemy With Leigh Brandon
Your relationship with pain probably goes one of the two ways…Most people take the conventional route and try to obliterate it with drugs and extreme treatments they may not need (that can hurt them even more …
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Your relationship with pain probably goes one of the two ways…
Most people take the conventional route and try to obliterate it with drugs and extreme treatments they may not need (that can hurt them even more than the pain itself). In many cases, their relationship with pain defines who they are.
Paul and senior CHEK instructor Leigh Brandon, author of Beyond the Pain: A Whole-Person Approach to Understanding Pain and Participating in Recovery, explore a very different and holistic relationship with pain, one that doesn’t treat it like an enemy but a vital source of information about your body this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Leigh and his work at his website. Find him on social media via Instagram, Twitter/X and TikTok. Check out Leigh’s podcast, Beyond the Pain, on YouTube, Apple Podcasts and wherever you listen to them. Read the first chapter of Beyond the Pain at this link.
For Spirit Gym listeners: Download Leigh’s paper, The Load Capacity Hierarchy Model of Chronic Pain: A Systems Based Framework for Understanding Pain and Guiding Clinical Practice, today!
Timestamps
4:54 Why Leigh felt compelled to write a book about pain.
6:46 More UK adults suffer from chronic pain than Americans, depending on the studies you read.
14:43 The double-whammy of taking a painkiller and medication for depression.
16:44 One of Leigh’s worst experiences with pain that took him 22 months to diagnose, treat and heal.
27:13 Do you have a pain identity?
31:39 Miasms (trapped emotions).
36:39 Why people treat pain as their enemy.
44:12 Treating fear as different emotions.
50:21 Proprioception.
1:03:30 Pain is far more diverse and complex than most people realize.
1:10:30 The four predominant causes of persistent pain that interact with each other, based on Leigh’s experience (structural, metabolic, nervous system regulation and emotional load).
1:15:08 People are so addicted to mobile phones, they use them in saunas!
1:22:40 Leigh narrows down his knee inflammation to eating porridge every morning for breakfast.
1:31:30 Viscerosomatic reflexes.
1:41:02 When we can make meaning and understand our pain, it raises our threshold and we are better able to live our lives.
1:54:23 Leigh’s six principles of recovery.
2:02:27 Pain exists as a vital path of communication and a safety valve that doesn’t always guarantee painful problems.
Resources
Anatomy of Sports Injuries for Fitness and Rehabilitation by Leigh Brandon
Anatomy for Strength and Fitness Training For Speed by Leigh Brandon
Anatomy For Yoga For Posture and Health by Leigh Brandon
Eliminating Adult Acne for Good by Leigh Brandon
The Tennis Biomechanics Manual by Leigh Brandon and Paul Chek
The CHEK Totem Pole
Wall & Melzak’s Textbook of Pain by Stephen B. McMahon, Martin Koltzdenburg, Irene Tracey and Dennis Turk
Novak Djokovic: The Wolf in Winter
The work of Dr. John Sarno and Mariano Rocabado
Paul’s podcast conversations with Danny Way, Dr. Ibrahim Karim, Doreya Karim and Angie Chek
The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden
How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy! 20th anniversary edition
Nonviolent Communication: The Basics As I Know and Use Them by Wayland Myers
Find more resources for this episode on our website.
Music Credit: Meet Your Heroes (444Hz), Composed, mixed, mastered and produced by Michael RB Schwartz of Brave Bear Music
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415 — Healing Inherited Family Trauma With Mark Wolynn
In his first conversation with Paul, Mark Wolynn shared his personal journey that led him to become a renowned authority on inherited trauma and write a best-selling book about it. Mark returns to talk about …
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In his first conversation with Paul, Mark Wolynn shared his personal journey that led him to become a renowned authority on inherited trauma and write a best-selling book about it.
Mark returns to talk about his recently revised landmark book, It Didn’t Start With You, and a new workbook that accompanies it and to describe how our DNA and genes are affected by trauma across generations this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Mark and his Inherited Family Trauma Training Program and workshops along with booking a private session with him on his website. You’ll also find him on Facebook and Instagram. If you need help, contact Giovanna Taormina for a list of practitioners Mark has trained.
Timestamps
9:13 Despite writing a book on generational trauma, Mark’s work with clients mainly focuses on attachment trauma.
11:02 “Throw away the old book!”
18:45 While some pay attention to attachment styles, Mark looks at breaks between people and how they function.
25:27 Describing generational trauma.
32:00 The first case that taught Mark how to look for inherited family trauma and changed his life 30 years ago.
40:57 Where does this deeply traumatic information reside?
49:12 How our DNA and genes are affected by trauma across generations.
52:49 Mark describes the trauma experience from a spiritual perspective.
1:03:50 Mark’s psychotic break at age 24 was the beginning of his healing and how he began helping others.
1:08:45 Mark regains his eyesight after healing his trauma inherited from his mother and grandparents.
1:12:36 Paul’s inherited trauma.
1:24:27 How many generations of inherited trauma could humans carry?
1:32:19 “Our inhumanity toward others is often a mirror of our own inhumanity toward ourselves.”
1:42:04 Mark’s core sentence tool in action.
1:49:37 Positive traits can be transferred and inherited among generations too.
1:56:31 Examples of verbal and non-verbal trauma language.
2:01:31 Mark’s The Official It Didn’t Start With You Workbook is designed to be used whether you read his book or not.
2:13:16 Every day, take a few moments to pause and take inventory of what you’re feeling and, especially, the divine nature within you.
Resources
It Didn’t Start With You by Mark Wolynn
The Official It Didn’t Start With You Workbook by Mark Wolynn
The work of Bert Hellinger, Dr. Isabelle Mansuy and Dr. Rachel Yehuda
Paul’s podcast conversation with Diane Poole Heller
Morphic Resonance and Morphic Fields: An Introduction by Rupert Sheldrake
Healing With Haiku: A Poetic Exploration of Self by Anne Helfer
Brainstorm: The Power and Purpose of the Teenage Brain by Dr. Daniel Siegel
The Biology of Transcendence by Joseph Chilton Pearce
A Practical Guide to Vibrational Medicine: Energy Healing and Spiritual Transformation by Richard Gerber
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414 — Detox Your Body, Mind and Life With Angie Chek
So many people and companies sell miracle products and supplements that claim to detox your body from the harm of everyday living that it’s really hard to know the difference between fact and fiction.Certified …
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So many people and companies sell miracle products and supplements that claim to detox your body from the harm of everyday living that it’s really hard to know the difference between fact and fiction.
Certified Nutritionist, CHEK Faculty member and shamanic-trained coach and consultant, Angie Chek joins Paul to share their philosophies about safe detox protocols and explain why too much of a good thing can become a bad thing this week on Spirit Gym.Find Angie online at angiesworld.com, where you can also book a free 15-minute consultation to learn more about working with her in person or virtually to discuss detox strategies or any health issues.
For Spirit Gym listeners: Check out the DesBio product line of supplements and detox products Angie talks about during the podcast at the DBscript website. To purchase products on the website, register at this link. Save 10 percent on any purchase you make on the website by using the promo code PAULCHEK10 at checkout.
Timestamps
3:23 Toxic statistics.
11:39 The detoxification process in your body.
19:19 Liposuction.
21:44 Organs that detoxify your body.
28:21 The relationship between your organs and emotions.
38:39 Your environment (indoor and outdoor) can be toxic too.
46:28 Are chloramines in your drinking water?
52:09 What’s really in your supplements?
1:00:07 The toxic chemicals hiding in plastic containers.
1:05:54 Pollution your body feels from light, noise, Wi-Fi routers and 5G towers (EMFs).
1:15:21 “What you put in your mouth you have full control over…”
1:30:02 Angie’s annual Christmas gift for Penny and Paul.
1:42:09 Nature as the ultimate detox.
1:52:01 Are you detoxing too much?
2:00:02 Try a 30-day social media detox.
2:05:11 BioGeometry.
Resources
How Emotions Are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain by Lisa Barrett
The Environmental Working Group’s (EWG) consumer guides
EWG’s full lists of the Clean 15 and Dirty Dozen foods
King Corn (movie)
Optimize: A Groundbreaking 7-Step Plan to Health and Longevity Through Quantum Biology by Dr. Catherine Clinton
The work of L. Ron Hubbard
The Safe Shoppers Bible by David Steinman and Samuel Epstein
Paul’s podcast conversations with Dr. Catherine Clinton, Doreya Karim, Jason Pickard, Sayer Ji, Wade Lightheart and Matt Gallant, Dr. Ibrahim Karim and Dr. Robert Gilbert
Farmers of Forty Centuries: Organic Farming in China, Korea and Japan by F.H. King
Switch: How to Change Things When Change is Hard by Chip and Dan Heath
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413 — Was Jesus a Myth? With Sean O’Laoire
Most people believe in Jesus as a savior who shared parables, performed miracles and died for our sins during his brief life.But is that really true?For the longest time, Paul had tried to connect with Jesus …
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Most people believe in Jesus as a savior who shared parables, performed miracles and died for our sins during his brief life.
But is that really true?
For the longest time, Paul had tried to connect with Jesus yet came up empty until recently when his soul led him to Jesus, the man not of the Bible.
Paul and Sean O’Laoire examine the life of Jesus from very different and complementary perspectives that may encourage you to reconsider what you think about myth and the Bible this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Sean at his Spirits in Spacesuits website. Find him on social media via Facebook, Instagram and YouTube.
Timestamps
11:05 Epistemology, ontology and cosmology.
15:28 Was Jesus a product of Jesus mythicism (Christ myth theory)?
19:38 What modern historians DO agree on about the life of Jesus.
31:08 The difference between wisdom and knowledge.
34:56 Mythish: Sacred wisdom shared in story form.
40:20 The use of metaphor.
52:09 “When power becomes available, morality goes out the window.”
1:05:30 Prosopon.
1:17:27 A cohort of souls.
1:27:11 Sean is one of few people Paul thinks about the most, especially when he gets very irritated at Christianity.
1:38:13 Paul spent many years tracking Jesus and only experienced emptiness, until he recently connected with Jesus, the man not of the Bible.
1:42:54 What really happened to Jesus after the crucifixion.
1:45:35 What is evil?
1:46:34 Did Jesus practice a religion?
1:49:45 How Paul brought alchemy into his teachings.
1:54:16 Awe.
2:01:47 Why one minister taught kids at his church to fear God.
2:11:13 “We volunteer to be here right now.”
Resources
Setting God Free: Moving Beyond the Caricature We've Created in Our Own Image by Sean O’Laoire
Dr. Walter Russell’s Home Study Course Third Edition (FREE PDF link)
The work of Bart Ehrman, Paramahansa Yogananda, Thomas Aquinas, Stanislav Grof and Elie Wiesel
Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility by James Carse
The Religious Case Against Belief by James Carse
Streams of Wisdom by Dustin DiPerna and Ken Wilbur
The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe by Jeremy Lent
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412 — Forget Little Green Men: Consider the Sentient Theory of UFOs/UAPs With Michael Jawer
When people ask for your opinions about UFOs, are the little green men from The X-Files the first things that pop in your head?Michael Jawer, author of the upcoming book What UFOs Really Are, believes we should …
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When people ask for your opinions about UFOs, are the little green men from The X-Files the first things that pop in your head?
Michael Jawer, author of the upcoming book What UFOs Really Are, believes we should be less focused on aliens flying in the sky and directing our attention on our inner selves and downward to living things anchored on the ground like plants, trees and fungi.
Join Paul and Michael on a wide-ranging conversation that could make you look at reality in a brand-new way this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Michael’s work on his website and Linkedin.
Timestamps
2:20 Michael’s next book, What UFOs Really Are, coming out in December.
3:39 “My myth begins with emotion.”
13:51 Abnormalities like UFOs/UAPs (unidentified anomalous phenomena) are where enigmas often meet stigmas.
17:17 UAPs are forms of sentience, but not here to take over our planet.
26:59 Is lucid dreaming connected to remote viewing?
39:06 “The dimension that I'm most interested in is what's under the surface, or what we don’t see within our own unconsciousness.”
45:45 Is the unconscious poorly understood, incorrectly named or both?
58:00 Does an electron or atom feel like anything?
1:08:37 Michael is directing his attention inward and downward, rather than toward the skies.
1:13:50 C.H. Waddington’s concept of creodes.
1:21:27 UFOs and UAPs shake up our perceptions and invite us to consider viewing reality in different ways.
1:28:16 Paul’s question, What is on the sun?, is answered.
1:36:16 The ancient origins of AI.
1:46:06 “Humanity is in peril because we have archaic emotions, medieval institutions and god-like technology.”
1:48:56 John Lennon’s UFO sighting.
Resources
Michael’s recent appearance on New Thinking Allowed with Jeffrey Mishlove on YouTube
The Spiritual Anatomy of Emotion: How Feelings Link the Brain, the Body and the Sixth Sense by Michael Jawer and Dr. Marc Micozzi
Your Emotional Type: Key to the Therapies That Will Work For You by Michael Jawer and Dr. Marc Micozzi
Sensitive Soul: The Unseen Role of Emotion in Extraordinary States by Michael Jawer
Planta Sapiens: The New Science of Plant Intelligence by Paco Calvo and Natalie Lawrence
Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life by Dacher Keltner
The 2017 New York Times article about the Pentagon’s UFO program
A British military defense unit report on acquiring UFO tech from the Jerusalem Post
The Hidden Life of Trees and The Inner Life of Animals by Peter Wohlleben
The Future of Life by Edward O. Wilson
Disclosure Day (movie)
Arrival (movie)
The Soul of an Octopus by Sy Montgomery
After by Dr. Bruce Greyson
Rupert Sheldrake’s paper, Is the Sun Conscious?
Rupert Sheldrake’s banned TED talk on YouTube
The Trickster and the Paranormal by George Hansen
The Mystic Spiral: Journey of the Soul by Jill Purce
Flying Saucers: A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Skies by Carl Jung
Compendium of the Emerald Tablets by Billy Carson
The work of Ingo Swann, Barbara Hand Clow, Dr. Michael Levin, Steven Greer, Peter Godfrey-Smith, Jenny Randles and Jacques Vallée
Your Body is Your Subconscious Mind by Candace Pert
The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird
The Secret Life of Nature: Living in Harmony With The Hidden World of Nature Spirits From Fairies to Quarks by Peter Tompkins
The Unknown Spirit by Jean-Emile Charon
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411 — Meet the Man Who's Been Chatting With The Architect Since Age 3 With John Novello
Do you remember hearing from your Higher Power for the very first time?John Novello heard a voice from Source — what he calls the Invisible Architect — telling him, “Point to the keyboard,” at the ripe, old age …
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Do you remember hearing from your Higher Power for the very first time?
John Novello heard a voice from Source — what he calls the Invisible Architect — telling him, “Point to the keyboard,” at the ripe, old age of three. That cosmic whisper led John to a long and successful career as a composer and acclaimed jazz pianist.
Another conversation later in life led John to write his best-selling book, The Invisible Architect: How to Design a Perfect Life from Within, as a way to help others tap into the wisdom and knowledge that sits inside them waiting to be tapped.
John goes deep into the Invisible Architect and shares his Be, Do, Have philosophies of life this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about John’s work as a bestselling author at this link and his first career as an acclaimed jazz pianist and composer at this link. Check out his 1-1 mentoring program at this link. Find him on social media via Facebook and Linkedin.
Timestamps
3:35 John’s upcoming book series, The Invisible Architect Guide For Young Souls, for kids.
9:44 John’s first experience with the Invisible Architect at age three.
14:23 A conversation with the Architect that led to John writing The Invisible Architect as a way to pay it forward.
19:28 What is the Invisible Architect?
28:53 The importance of reciprocity.
34:34 Are you really aware there’s an inner voice inside you waiting to be heard?
49:14 Few people know how to listen to the Invisible Architect.
52:48 Why John believes humans have no souls.
58:39 Remember the future.
1:01:03 Applying John’s Be, Do, Have philosophies and the Law of Thought Substitution.
1:13:46 Who goes to the afterlife?
1:20:59 A prayer John says to invite the Architect and express perfection through him.
1:32:53 The ultimate way to manifest anything, according to Thomas Troward.
1:42:41 Most people operate on the Have, Do, Be system and can’t convert a goal into a fact.
1:52:52 The seven milestones of John’s Be, Do, Have process.
2:00:31 Refining your Be is critical.
2:16:51 Instead of the law of attraction, John reframes it as three things: The law of reflection, law of cause and effect or law of resonance.
2:21:00 “The journey is not one of becoming, but one of remembering.”
Resources
Tao of Jeet Kune Do by Bruce Lee
Conversations with God: an uncommon dialogue book 1 by Neale Donald Walsch
The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield
The work of Bob Carver, Lawrence Welk, Myron Floren, Walter Russell, Dan Inosanto, Zig Ziglar, Eckard Tolle, David Bohm, Delores Cannon, Wei Wu Wei, Neville Goddard, Sri Aurobindo
Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility and The Religious Case Against Belief by James Carse
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410 — Simple Things Make All The Difference With Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart
The difference between being healthy or not healthy mostly comes down to the simple things within your control like eating nutrient-rich foods, incorporating movement into your daily routine and following a …
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The difference between being healthy or not healthy mostly comes down to the simple things within your control like eating nutrient-rich foods, incorporating movement into your daily routine and following a stable sleep schedule.
Like Paul, BIOptimizers co-founders, Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart, constantly test, test and test their bodies, beliefs and products to ensure those simple things are always protecting and enhancing better health.
Building on that theme of experimenting, Matt talks about the 80,000+ experiments he’s done on BIOptimizers products over the years and Wade shares his bucket theory of nutrition that will make your health more bulletproof this week on Spirit Gym.
Besides the many great BIOptimizers products Wade and Matt have developed, you’ll want to check out the BIOptimizers Nutrition Coach Program. Look for Matt and Wade on social media via Facebook, Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Listen to the BIOptimizers Awesome Health Podcast hosted by Wade on Apple Podcasts.
Timestamps
2:19 Is maltodextrin in your electrolyte drink?
6:08 BiOptimizers’ bio-lab recently topped the 80,000 mark in experiments.
10:17 Wade’s concussion theory.
24.28 “Matt loves running experiments on everything.”
32:42 Do you have a zinc deficiency?
38:32 Can you really feel the truth?
51:30 How to make your health more bulletproof.
1:00:37 Wade’s bucket theory of nutrition.
1:08:55 Feeling the sensation of a weightlifter’s/athlete’s heart.
1:16:38 Understanding cofactors.
1:22:53 “One of the hardest things [for humans] to absorb is fat soluble molecules.”
1:33:21 Protecting your microbiome.
1:45:44 Wade’s small confession.
1:53:30 The power of the placebo and the biology of belief.
2:02:00 The benefits of experiential reality.
2:17:06 Substitute the word belief for hypothesis and your life will change.
2:23:00 “Children are the ultimate health hack.”
Resources
The Ultimate Nutrition Bible by Matt Gallant and Wade Lightheart
Orthomolecular Psychiatry: Treatment Of Schizophrenia by Dr. David Hawkins and Dr. Linus Pauling
Bioaccessibility, bioavailability and metabolism of functional foods, Handbook of Functional Foods
Paul’s podcast conversation with Jason Christoff
Hildegard von Bingen’s Physica by Saint Hildegard of Bingen and Priscilla Throop
The Fat of the Land by Vilhjalmur Stefansson
Your Body’s Many Cries for Water by Fereydoon Batmanghelidj
The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden
Tuning in to Nature by Philip Callahan
Biochemical Individuality by Roger Williams
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409 — Is Mother Earth Baba Yaga? With Dr. Joanna Kujawa
Toward the end of her first Spirit Gym conversation with Paul, Dr. Joanna Kujawa described how Baba Yaga insisted on being included in her recent book, Alien Goddess: UFOs, AI and the Goddesses of Ascension …
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Toward the end of her first Spirit Gym conversation with Paul, Dr. Joanna Kujawa described how Baba Yaga insisted on being included in her recent book, Alien Goddess: UFOs, AI and the Goddesses of Ascension.
Joanna and Paul continue their conversation about Baba Yaga and her connection to Mother Earth as the soul and guardian of our planet who has had quite enough of our human shenanigans and isn’t putting up with it any longer this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Joanna’s work on her website and Substack. Find her on social media via Facebook, Instagram and YouTube.
Timestamps
7:01 Could Baba Yaga be Mother Earth, the spirit of our planet?
10:50 “The issue is authenticity.”
19:22 Joanna felt a sense of urgency while writing her book, Alien Goddess.
28:57 Becoming the change you want to see in the world by making small choices.
36:53 The four levels of consciousness.
44:55 Ignorance versus wisdom.
48:51 “Mystics see in the light what scientists try to measure but seldom get.”
1:02:02 The Ahrimanic deception.
1:12:55 The looming conflict ahead: Consciousness, how we define it and what we can do to prevent its suppression.
1:29:30 Are we too focused on the untruths?
1:35:50 Will this delusion of merging body and machine eventually end well?
1:43:52 A necessary sacrifice.
1:58:04 Ascending and descending waves of consciousness.
2:03:04 Why Baba Yaga is angry with us.
2:16:31 “We know what they are.”
2:30:24 Be a spiritual warrior in the face of oppression and suppression from AI and too much tech.
2:45:05 Communicating in liminal and imaginal space.
2:55:50 “As we evolve, God evolves.”
3:00:33 “The best thing you can do for God is to work on yourself.”
Resources
The Other Goddess by Dr. Joanna Kujawa
Mythologium 2026: Mythic Imagination rewatch
Rupert Sheldrake discusses The Science Delusion on YouTube
I, Robot (movie)
Mercy (movie)
The myth of Prometheus
The story of Enlil and Enki
The myth of Demeter and Persephone
Involution and evolution, according to Rudolf Steiner
Farmers of Forty Centuries: Organic Farming in China, Korea and Japan by F.H. King
The work of Marie-Louise von Franz, Victor Frankl, David Bohm, Dr. Fred Allen Wolf, Dr. William Tiller, Sam Altman, Gregg Braden, Billy Carson, Rabia al Basri and Edward O. Wilson
Paul’s podcast conversations with Amit Goswami, Sean O’Laoire, Dr. Marc Gafni, Dr. Jared Horvath and Elizabeth Nelson
Paul’s podcast on Lucifer, Christ and Ahriman
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408 — The Case Against Believing Anything You Hear On This Episode With Erick Godsey
Living the life of your dreams is very hard work.Paul believes much of that hard work comes from being open (and brave) to listen to new and different ideas — things you may never have considered before — then …
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Living the life of your dreams is very hard work.
Paul believes much of that hard work comes from being open (and brave) to listen to new and different ideas — things you may never have considered before — then testing them in your own laboratory of daily living to see if they’re true and they work for you.
Having the courage to explore and refine your life by doing the hard work of letting go of the stuff that isn’t working for you and choosing to allow the new in is a recurring theme in this week’s Spirit Gym conversation with Erick Godsey, a Master Coach and teacher of myth, science and philosophy.
Remember, the best teachers you’ll ever have are the ones who are always challenging you to be your best you, not a clone or cult member!
Curious to read more after Paul’s conversation with Erick? Check out part 1 and part 2 of his Renaissance Fitness essays on Substack where you can subscribe to his feed for free.
Find out more about Erick and his work on his website and Skool.com/The Dharma Artist Collective. Look for him on social media via Instagram, Facebook and YouTube. Listen to his Myths That Makes Us podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to them.
Timestamps
3:12 The spiritual community is splitting into different camps about how to handle technology.
7:58 Erick was slow to change his mind about God, reincarnation and remote viewing.
15:17 Paul’s remote viewing skills are put to the test.
25:25 “To remote view, you have to get rid of any idea that could alter your conviction that it's even possible.”
34:35 What does unconditional love mean?
44:03 Myths and archetypes.
51:05 Is there a fundamental grammar for archetypes that’s represented in the Tarot?
59:18 A metaphysical kind of artificial intelligence that’s been around for billions of years.
1:06:42 The illusions we create to make our stories work when they really don’t.
1:13:43 Paul’s dream: Do the work to figure things out for yourself and test what you learn, even from him.
1:19:46 Like Paul, Erick has been accused of being a cult leader and he lists it on his resume as a source of pride.
1:23:46 One thought leader believes it could take about 735 lifetimes to reach a state of enlightenment.
1:31:42 “I see a lot of sleeping teachers and potential leaders.”
1:40:30 The deep importance of your dream life.
1:47:10 Paul explains how to speak to and hear your soul.
2:01:48 Paul helps Erick work with his soul.
2:10:44 Heart breathing, soul connection and praying.
Resources
Life Before Life: Children’s Memories of Past Lives by Dr. Jim B. Tucker
Phenomena: The Secret of the U.S. Government’s Investigations into Extrasensory Perception and Psychokinesis by Annie Jacobsen
The work of Dr. Stanislav Grof, Paramahansa Yogananda, Ibn Arabi, Itzhak Bentov, Arthur M. Young, Huston Smith, Jean Gebser, Eckhart Tolle and Laozi
Fingers Pointing Toward the Moon by Wei Wu Wei
Paul’s podcast conversation with James Carse
When God Was a Woman by Merlin Stone
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407 — A Lot of Cool Things Happen in the Afterlife With Barbara With
The ability to channel isn’t a superpower, although many would argue that recognizing and embracing that gift, living it fully and sharing it with others may be one…Barbara With wanted to be a rock star and …
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The ability to channel isn’t a superpower, although many would argue that recognizing and embracing that gift, living it fully and sharing it with others may be one…
Barbara With wanted to be a rock star and spent nearly two decades pursuing it until one day she spontaneously began to write for no reason. And, when she wrote the question, “Who are you?” the answer was Sound.
Barbara shares her experiences as a psychic and channel, connecting with Albert Einstein and The Party from the Afterlife to provide a better understanding of the operating system of life based on working with three dimensions — emotion, intuition and intellect — that help us align as humans with compassion this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Barbara and her work at her website, Synergy Alliance and The Music of Barbara With. Look for her on social media via Facebook, YouTube and Instagram.
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Timestamps
4:02 Barbara’s first experience with channeling in high school showed her how to love herself better.
10:29 A lot of cool things happen in the afterlife.
22:10 Three human dimensions: Emotion, intuition and intellect.
27:32 What Compassion does.
31:19 “God is the name of the blanket that wraps the mystery.”
37:48 “Is everyone a reflection of you, including whomever you are channeling?”
45:44 Healing old wounds.
1:02:55 The hardest thing for most people to do: Stop and take care of themselves.
1:09:49 “Synergy: One plus one equals three.”
1:16:09 Separate your fears and handle them differently, not as one whole thing.
1:26:25 You can’t cheat or fake empathy and compassion.
1:38:55 Know that emotions like anger and sadness can fuel thoughts of joy, happiness and peace too.
1:47:38 The Psychic Sorority.
1:54:10 The first baby steps toward self-love and its reciprocal responses.
2:05:05 Conflict REVOLUTION.
2:08:38 “No one is going to save me.”
2:15:35 “We work for the good of the whole.”
Resources
Diaries of a Psychic Sorority: Talking With the Angels by Kimberly Lilith Phelps, Barbara With and Teresa McMillian
Conflict REVOLUTION: The Workbook by Barbara With
Sound: Native Teachings and Visionary Art by Joseph Rael
The Ojibwe/Anishinaabe/Chippewa Indigenous tribe
Barbara’s appearance on the Metaphysical Hippie Chicks 2.0 podcast
The Serenity Prayer
The work of Jean Houston
Paul’s podcast conversations with James Carse and Anne Helfer
The Body Keeps The Score: Brain, Mind and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk
Voices of the First Day by Robert Lawlor
Healing With Haiku: A Poetic Exploration of Self by Anne Helfer
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406 — You're Being Mind Controlled RIGHT NOW and You Don't Even Know It With Jason Christoff
Do you ever wonder why it’s so hard to make to make simple changes that could help you live a healthier, stress-free life?Perhaps, it’s powers behind the scenes motivating you to drink that extra cup of coffee …
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Do you ever wonder why it’s so hard to make to make simple changes that could help you live a healthier, stress-free life?
Perhaps, it’s powers behind the scenes motivating you to drink that extra cup of coffee that becomes many more or skip your afternoon workout in the gym that becomes a lasting habit.
CHEK Professional Jason Christoff returns to share what he’s learned about mind control in his new documentary, Planet Mind Control, this week on Spirit Gym.
Check out Jason’s articles, programs and podcast appearances on his website. Find him on social media via Facebook, Twitter/X, Instagram, YouTube and Soundcloud.
Watch Jason’s documentary, Planet Mind Control, for FREE. Receive guidance on breaking the self-sabotage loop by emailing Jason directly at [email protected].
Timestamps
4:21 Why Jason made his documentary about mind control.
14:25 If magicians can fool people with mind hacks, how good are trained professionals who specialize in mass mind control?
22:08 The mindset of the least hackable people.
27:15 “You have to trick citizens to destroy the U.S. from the inside.”
45:05 Donald Trump: A strong mind control operation all by himself.
54:28 The COVID times, fight or flight and mind control.
1:06:47 Resetting your consciousness from negative content with repetitive positive things.
1:11:08 Mind control and self-sabotage work in concert to keep you stuck.
1:14:56 Direct versus indirect mind control.
1:20:45 Mind control and kids.
1:29:57 Living a lifetime as a professional teenager.
1:35:26 Why is it so easy for people to trick themselves?
1:46:04 Ever question why you drink alcohol or coffee?
2:00:39 What’s next for Jason.
Resources
Jason’s presentation during a U.S. Senate roundtable on YouTube
The Art of War by Sun Tzu
I Am Legend (movie)
Contagion (movie)
28 Days Later (movie)
Outbreak (movie)
The work of Justin Willman, Max Major, Denis Rancourt, Sir Robert McCarrison, Michael Tsarion and Rupert Sheldrake
Dr. Lawrence Dunegan’s transcript covering the New Order of the Barbarians meeting with Dr. Richard Day in 1969
The Medes
Paul’s solocast on Shadow Work
Farmers of Forty Centuries: Organic Farming in China, Korea and Japan by F.H. King
DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral by Leonard Horowitz
Trance: The Cathy O’Brien Story
Paul’s podcast conversation with Dr. Keith Witt
Boys Adrift by Leonard Sax
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405 — The Science and Spirituality Behind Sound Therapy With Tenille Bentley
Sound can do so much for us. It can entertain, inform, motivate and immerse you in its healing tones. If you don’t believe it, take an early morning walk in a park and let nature surround you with sounds that …
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Sound can do so much for us. It can entertain, inform, motivate and immerse you in its healing tones. If you don’t believe it, take an early morning walk in a park and let nature surround you with sounds that can heal your soul if you let it.
At the dual closures of a 15-year adventure in the corporate world and a long-term relationship, Tenille Bentley came back to her first love — music — as medicine to bring joy and healing to her body and soul.
Tenille shares her healing story that led to a new career as a performer who combines music, frequency and science to connect, heal, soothe and celebrate and explains how you can too, even with little to no musical knowledge, this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Tenille’s work on her website. Find her on social media via Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and YouTube. Listen to her music on Bandcamp and Spotify. Explore a coaching/mentoring opportunity with Tenille at this link. Watch the trailer for her film, Does Sound Heal, and learn about sponsoring opportunities at this link. Check out Tenille’s Attune app at this link.
For Spirit Gym listeners: Save 20 percent on Tenille’s 12-week, self-paced Institute of Sound and Frequency course at this link. You need no prior knowledge of music or know how to play an instrument to take this journey. Use the promo code CHEK2026 to receive your discount. (Special offers from Spirit Gym guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)
Timestamps
2:40 The differences between sound healers and sound therapists.
7:14 “My work has been shaped by beauty, but also the rupture of life.”
10:38 Giving up music for building companies.
18:04 When Tenille’s calling back to music returned.
25:21 “You don’t choose the instrument… the instrument chooses you.”
33:29 Your relationship with sound.
41:42 The ngoni (African harp).
46:36 Tenille recalls experiencing trauma, heaviness and crying during a concert.
54:10 “I purposely walk in (to a sound experience) without a plan because the room is going to tell me.”
1:10:59 The importance of silence.
1:18:28 Over the past 15 years, Tenille has surrendered to a journey that’s led by something greater than her with unwavering faith and surrender.
1:29:09 The first instrument that called to Paul.
1:39:16 A sound diet.
1:58:02 “Some of the deepest, most profoundly changing songs in people's worlds have been ones that have just been written through me in five minutes.”
2:08:11 Do you regularly question your contribution to the world, especially if you’ve left it for a short time?
Resources
Digital Consciousness: The Emotional Digital Frequency of Self by Tenille Bentley
The Shruti box
Mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS)
Healing at the Speed of Sound: How What We Hear Transforms Our Brains and Our Lives by Don Campbell and Alex Doman
Paul’s podcast conversations with Ian Morris, Dr. John Demartini, Ross Newkirk and Jonathan Goldman
The work of Don Miguel Ruiz and Dr. Bruce Lipton
The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden
The Humming Effect: Sound Healing for Health and Happiness by Andi and Jonathan Goldman
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404 — You Are the Punchline With JP Sears
If you follow politics at all, your head must be on a swivel (and hurting) with all of the upheaval going in America and abroad. In many cases, promises were made but not kept which may be making you rethink …
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If you follow politics at all, your head must be on a swivel (and hurting) with all of the upheaval going in America and abroad. In many cases, promises were made but not kept which may be making you rethink some of your recent choices at the ballot box and even squirm a bit.
Comedian JP Sears dissects these recent events and, like the deft, wise humorist he is, reminds us that giving our power as citizens way too easily on promises not delivered makes us the punchline of the joke, a lesson all of us can learn from as we create a better destiny for ourselves and the world this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about JP and his work on his website. Check out his new adventure, the Better Man Project, on YouTube. Follow him on social media via Facebook, Twitter/X, Instagram, YouTube, TikTok and Rumble.
Timestamps
2:51 JP leaves the standup comedy world.
9:32 “As a country, how did we get to this place where THAT can happen?”
17:28 Feeling gratitude for living through the COVID era.
23:22 The devil in the world right now gives us plenty of opportunities to look inside ourselves and ask, how am I doing this…
29:33 Our blind spots are easy sources for laughter.
36:21 Comparing our shadow work to bowel movements.
44:07 JP and Paul do some “yin-yagging.”
53:48 “If Trump is a joke, what is the punchline?”
1:06:04 The dual lack of common sense and wisdom is becoming fatal on a societal scale.
1:16:52 What really matters the most to you?
1:24:44 The defeat of U.S. Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) in the 2026 House primary.
1:46:42 The Bibi Files.
1:52:38 How do we create our destiny?
Resources
The myth of Midas’ Golden Touch
Nonviolent Communication: A Language of Life by Marshall Rosenberg
The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy
Voices of the First Day by Robert Lawlor
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)
The Shawn Ryan Show on YouTube
Psycho-Cybernetics: Updated and Expanded by Maxwell Maltz
Paul’s solocast on Shadow Work
Paul’s podcast conversations with Sean O’Laoire, Anne Helfer, James Hollis and Mark England and Kimberly Kesting
The work of Adam Smith, Laozi (Lao Tzu), Louis Hamilton and Earl Nightingale
Tao Te Ching: The Book of Meaning and Life by Richard Wilhelm
Boys Adrift by Leonard Sax
Paul’s appearance on London Real
The Alex Jones Show on Spreaker
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403 — History Isn't Dead: It's the Myth Living Through You Right Now With Letao Wang
Did you know that to be gifted in the Tarot, you need to be a historian too?Spiritual counselor and Tarot master Letao Wang shares how the dual studies of history and the Tarot intersect and how both affected …
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Did you know that to be gifted in the Tarot, you need to be a historian too?
Spiritual counselor and Tarot master Letao Wang shares how the dual studies of history and the Tarot intersect and how both affected his work and life for the better this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Letao and how to work with him at his Healing Kingdom website. Find Letao on social media via YouTube and Instagram.
Timestamps
3:03 Letao’s award-winning Tarot card decks.
8:13 “A myth is history and there’s no defined boundary between them.”
15:08 To be a good astrologer, you have to be a good historian too.
25:14 “Life is like a tennis game and astrology's like a weather report.”
27:41 How Letao selected the 36 historical figures who appeared in his latest Oracle deck.
31:31 The story of Yoshiko Yamaguchi and the ways it paralleled Letao’s life growing up.
39:46 How should you use Lateo’s Tarot card deck to gain insights into your life?
42:06 Using Lateo’s Tarot card decks in functional and non-traditional ways, like a meditation tool.
56:48 One of Letao’s goals with his newest Tarot card deck: Sharing very influential figures in Asian culture to a Western audience like Chiune Sugihara.
1:08:38 A meditation on sacrifice for the greater good.
1:14:48 “If we are unconscious of the myth living within us, we are unconscious of the choices we’re making.”
1:23:51 2026 is the Year of the Fire Horse.
1:34:32 Knowing that Benjamin Netanyahu is a Libra could explain a lot of his actions as Israel’s Prime Minister.
1:40:25 Some positives to look out for during the remainder of 2026.
Resources
Legends, Heroes and Villains Oracle Tarot card deck by Letao Wang
Oracle of the Celestial Deities Tarot card deck by Letao Wang
Oracle of the Mythic Heroes Tarot card deck by Letao Wang=
Penelope’s Bones: A New History of Homer’s World Through the Women Written Out of It by Emily Hauser
Letao’s interview about the Year of the Fire Horse on BBC News on YouTube
Letao’s conversation with Gahl Sasson on YouTube
The work of Harriet Tubman, Martin Luther King Jr., Puyi, Nelson Mandela and Fritz Haber
Paul’s podcast conversation with Ernst Wilhelm
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402 — Teaching Kids How to Think — Not What to Think — in the Age of AI With Priten Soundar-Shah
The state of public education is a mess. At the heart of it is a real struggle about a fundamental question: How much tech should our kids be exposed to daily in the classroom?Contrary to what parents have been …
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The state of public education is a mess. At the heart of it is a real struggle about a fundamental question: How much tech should our kids be exposed to daily in the classroom?
Contrary to what parents have been told by public schools nationwide, there is no single one-size-fits-all solution for kids and that includes the use or non-use of tech tools like artificial intelligence (AI) in classrooms.
Also, did those high-tech school districts warn you your kid’s basic math skills would erode so much that she/he would be tethered to a tech device for the rest of their lives?
Priten Soundar-Shah, author of Ethical Ed Tech: How Educators Can Lead on AI and Digital Safety in K-12, shares a better way forward based on the intelligent and deliberate use of technology that fosters better engagement in our public schools this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Priten and his much-needed work in the non-profit sector at his website. Listen to his podcast, Margin of Thought with Priten, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you listen to them. You’ll find him on social media via Instagram, Linkedin and TikTok.
Read the opening chapter of Priten’s book, Ethical Ed Tech, for free at this website. Buy his book on Amazon, Barnes & Noble or Bookshop and upload your receipt, and you’ll receive several free resources, including an exclusive bonus chapter and video course.
Timestamps
7:39 Living the life of a non-profit entrepreneur, tech tool-builder and teacher.
19:14 The conversations about the role of tech in schools moved from teachers to big tech companies.
26:03 Reading a book on how to read inspired the name for Priten’s podcast.
32:26 How do know what red is if you don’t experience it?
44:36 How do you persuade kids to eat vegetables and learn things too?
50:19 Making things happen faster and easier — what tech does best — is often not the best environment for learning.
58:00 Paul’s crashing conversation with Claude about generating faulty AI art.
1:02:47 There is no one-size-fits-all solution for improving education and that includes the use/non-use of tech like AI.
1:11:40 Gamified engagement versus learning engagement.
1:18:06 Are we so dependent on technology that your kid’s basic math skills have been “downloaded” to a digital calculator on a cell phone?
1:25:30 The case studies featured in Ethical Ed Tech provide scenarios and options for the ethical use of tech in schools, not absolute solutions.
1:33:17 One unintended consequence of tech dominance in schools: A fixation on measuring and controlling every aspect of them (including reading and test scores).
1:46:11 There’s no community consensus on the purpose of schooling.
1:53:36 The real-world limits on how much schools can solve external factors like personal flourishing, contributing to the world and how a kid feels about herself/himself away from school.
2:03:21 Priten hopes schools will deal with AI faster than they did cell phones (10-15 years).
Resources
AI and the Future of Education: Teaching in the Age of Artificial Intelligence by Priten Soundar-Shah
The work of Confucius
Paul’s podcast conversations with Dr. Jared Horvath and Elizabeth Nelson
The Digital Delusion: How Classroom Technology Harms Our Kids’ Learning — And How To Help Them Thrive Again by Jared Horvath
The Living Soil and the Haughley Experiment by Lady Evelyn Barbara Balfour
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401 — Nothing Is Missing in Your Life… You're Just Not Seeing It With Dr. John Demartini
At age 13, Dr. John Demartini left home after being told by the “experts” around him that his life would never amount to much. People claimed his physical and learning challenges were too much to …
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At age 13, Dr. John Demartini left home after being told by the “experts” around him that his life would never amount to much. People claimed his physical and learning challenges were too much to overcome…
Nearly six decades later, John is living the life none of those “experts” could’ve ever imagined, as a world-renown teacher who helps his students come to a greater understanding of human behavior and maximizing their potential.
John shares his amazing journey from his early days as teenage surfer without a home, then explains why he gave up the self-help movement — it’s a moral trap — and reveals the importance of asking the right questions of ourselves and others this week on Spirit Gym.
Find out more about John and his work on his website and on social media via Facebook, Instagram, Linkedin and YouTube. Listen to his podcast, The Demartini Show, on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you listen to them.
Also, John invites Spirit Gym listeners to take advantage of some free gifts:
· Download his 7 Steps to Expand to the Next Level of Empowerment workbook.
· Watch John’s inspiring presentation, Awakening Your Astronomical Vision.
· Complete the Demartini Value Determination Process, a 13-step process that helps you determine your highest values or priorities in life.
· Take his master classes, Increase Your Deserve Level and Finally Get What You Want and Discover The Hidden Order and Its Power to Transform Your Life.
Timestamps
5:34 John leaves home at age 13 to hitchhike cross-country and surf.
8:31 John’s life-changing encounter with Paul Bragg.
19:59 From learning-challenged to speaking to University of Houston students daily.
35:20 “Everything that's going on our life is on the way to help us be our most magnificent self.”
46:00 Lean into your uniqueness and authenticity with help from your teachers.
53:29 The Demartini method.
1:01:45 Holy curiosity.
1:13:32 “I really believe all of the randomness that we have is missing information.”
1:22:29 “The Master lives in a world of transformation, not the illusion of gain, loss, pleasure, pain or polarities.”
1:27:39 John’s research leads him to give up the self-help movement.
1:39:32 “Quality questions are ones that make us aware of what we're unconscious of when we're interpreting things in this polarized way.”
1:41:47 What is depression?
1:54:56 True science and true religion mirror each other, but with different languages.
2:03:25 John’s definition of evil: An incomplete awareness of a mental construct.
2:12:59 Good and evil: The only labels we impose on things that are exaggerations rather than synthesis.
2:15:41 The soulmate question.
2:31:05 “The first thing I tell my students: Whatever you perceive in me, let’s find it in you.”
Resources
Essentials of Emotional Intelligence by Dr. John Demartini
Special Relativity and Classical Field Theory: The Theoretical Minimum by Leonard Susskind and Art Friedman
The Principles of Quantum Mechanics by P.A.M. Durac
The C.T. Bauer College of Business at the University of Houston
Dr. John Demartini’s heated conversation with Aubrey Marcus on YouTube
The Science of Mind: The Complete 1926 edition by Ernest Holmes
The Law of Eristic Escalation explained by Dr. John Demartini
The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peale
The work of Jack LaLanne, Buddy Miles, Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, Claude Shannon, Frank Tipler, Stephen Wolfram, Vera Rubin, Sri Aurobindo, Stephen Hawking, Edward Edinger and Epictetus
Rudolf Clausius and the second law of thermodynamics
What is Life? by Erwin Schrodinger
The Rigveda
Cosmic Consciousness: A Study in the Evolution of the Human Mind by Richard Bucke
Gate control theory by Ronald Melzack and Patrick Wall
The Secret (film) on YouTube
Paul’s podcast conversation with Sean O’Laoire
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400 — Shadow Work Never Ends And That’s Great News With Paul Chek
Have you been running away from your shadow self for so long you no longer remember why?Too many people attempt to escape from their shadow selves out of fear and a lack of understanding that acknowledging …
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Have you been running away from your shadow self for so long you no longer remember why?
Too many people attempt to escape from their shadow selves out of fear and a lack of understanding that acknowledging their shadow is a structural feature of an individuated psyche and a reservoir of vital energy that can help you grow into the adult you’re meant to be.
If you’ve been struggling to find a path forward, Paul shares the benefits of shadow work and explains why doing it consistently over a lifetime can transform your life this week on Spirit Gym.
Check out the PDF Paul created that accompanies this episode to help you better understand shadow work.
Timestamps
5:00 True shadow work is a lifetime process that never ends.
15:08 Managing your shadow work by better managing your health and breathing.
21:47 Your shadow: The price of having a definitive identity.
28:35 “The pull between consciousness and shadow is what makes psychological growth possible at all.”
38:16 “If you're not working with your shadow consciously with legitimate spiritual intent and doing the work properly, it will project itself outward.”
44:03 The collective unconscious.
50:43 Doing your shadow work goes a long way toward lessening your judgement of others.
56:03 Hyperstition.
1:03:27 To think holistically, always ask yourself, “Is it true?”
1:11:06 What is your secret story?
1:21:54 The shadow: A hyperstitional structure.
1:31:36 Break hyperstitional patterns with these exercises.
1:44:20 You can’t have consciousness without a positive and a negative.
1:49:15 Your stories are connected to events and the shadow work you do.
Resources
Ego and Archetype by Edward Edinger
The numinous
The work of Swami Vivekananda, Carl Jung, Dean Radin, Dr. Larry Dossey, Murray Stein, Edgar Cayce and Nick Land
How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy!
When God Was a Woman by Merlin Stone
Paul’s podcast conversations with James Hollis, Jonathan Bluestein and James Carse
Paul’s solocast on Lucifer, Christ and Ahriman
Nonviolent Communication: The Basics As I Know and Use Them by Wayland Myers
The Evolution of Love From Quarks to Culture: The Rise of Evolutionary Relationships in Response to the Meta-Crisis by Dr. Marc Gafni
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399 — 272 Emotions and You Probably Only Know 28 of Them With D. Earl Johnston
Imagine you and your teenager are sitting down for a nice meal and she/he asks, “What do you know about depression?” and you’re stumped for an answer.Faced with that question, D. (Doug) Earl Johnston set out to …
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Imagine you and your teenager are sitting down for a nice meal and she/he asks, “What do you know about depression?” and you’re stumped for an answer.
Faced with that question, D. (Doug) Earl Johnston set out to find the answer and, along the way, identified 271 additional and distinct emotional states that formed the basis of his latest book, Choosing Emotions: Thinking with Your Head and Acting with Your Heart.
Doug shares what he learned about the amazing array of emotions all of us feel and how they protect us this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Doug and his work at his website and on social media via Instagram.
Timestamps
4:58 Doug’s daughter asked him a question he couldn’t answer: What do you know about depression?
10:42 Identifying 272 distinct emotional states through famous quotes.
21:41 Our emotions are tools that protect us.
32:15 The fundamental misunderstandings people have about emotions.
43:15 A consilience.
47:35 Name it, blame it and tame it.
56:30 “Fear is a reaction. Courage is a decision.”
1:06:35 Where do you draw the line between an emotion, mood, condition, pattern or life?
1:23:54 “Can you change a default emotion?”
1:33:38 Doug’s reckoning with ego.
1:39:05 Vocabulary and emotions.
1:48:03 The domains of the head, heart and gut.
1:52:55 One of Paul’s guiding principles he learned from a student.
Resources
Atlas of the Heart: Mapping Meaningful Connection and the Language of Human Experience by Brené Brown
The work of Rollo May, J.K. Rowling, Eckhart Tolle, Dr. Antonio Damasio, Jonathan Heidt, Daniel Kahneman, Niels Bohr, Ludwig Wittgenstein, Charles Kettering, Noam Chomsky, Dan Siegel, Stanley Krippner, Edgar Cayce and Sir Winston Churchill
Paul’s podcast conversations with Rollin McCraty and Keith Witt
How Emotions Are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain by Lisa Barrett
Switch: How to Change Things When Change is Hard by Chip and Dan Heath
Feelings Buried Alive Never Die by Karol Truman
The Body Keeps The Score: Brain, Mind and Body in the Healing of Trauma by Dr. Bessel van der Kolk
Tao Te Ching: A New English Version by Stephen Mitchell
The Second Book of the Tao by Stephen Mitchell
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398 — AI Doesn't Hallucinate — It Makes Crap Up (That Distinction Matters) With Elizabeth Nelson
Once upon a time not so very long ago, artificial intelligence (AI) was a product of speculative science fiction, especially in films from Metropolis to Blade Runner.Today, AI has so infiltrated our daily …
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Once upon a time not so very long ago, artificial intelligence (AI) was a product of speculative science fiction, especially in films from Metropolis to Blade Runner.
Today, AI has so infiltrated our daily lives, the thought of not having access to Google or other AI-driven apps on our mobile phones and computers scares the crap out of a lot of people.
Paul continues his investigation into AI with able assistance from author, Silicon Valley survivor and depth psychologist Elizabeth Nelson who explores the wide gulf between human and machine this week on Spirit Gym.
Check out Elizabeth’s essays and individual coaching groups, watch her video presentations and read her essays on her website.
Timestamps
7:54 Defining technology and machines.
12:05 Artificial intelligence, large language models (LLMs) or large language machines?
19:12 “Technology is not neutral.”
23:48 Confusing data and information with real knowledge.
29:50 The intrusion of machine language into our humanity.
37:45 The danger of LLMs emulating humans.
51:23 Exploring the gulf between human and cyborg/machine in books and films like Blade Runner.
57:23 When describing what AI does, calling it making crap up or AI slop is better than hallucinating.
1:08:26 Are we turning an it like AI into a being?
1:14:15 The irony of some people celebrating the end times while others turn to transhumanism.
1:38:18 Can you leave your tech toys at home for a week without feeling anxiety?
1:49:48 Why is it so important for humanity to understand very clearly what reality is?
Resources
Depth Psychology, Myth and Artificial Intelligence: Soul and the Machine, edited by Jason Batt and Jonathan Erickson
The Art of Jungian Couples Therapy: An Introduction by Elizabeth Nelson and Anthony Delmedico
The Art of Inquiry: A Depth Psychology Perspective by Elizabeth Nelson and Joseph Coppin
Psyche’s Knife: Archetypal Explorations of Love and Power by Elizabeth Nelson
Journal of Jungian Scholarly Studies
Understanding Media: The Extension of Man by Marshall McLuhan and Lewis Lapham
Elizabeth’s Psyche, Soma, Cyborg course at the Pacifica Graduate Institute
The Ship of Theseus (Theseus’s Paradox)
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep by Philip K. Dick
The work of James Hillman and Edward Edinger
Paul’s podcast conversation with B. Earl
DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral by Leonard Horowitz
Frankenstein: Or the Modern Prometheus by Mary Shelley
The Forgotten Truth: The Common Vision of the World’s Religions by Huston Smith
The Social Dilemma on Netflix
Elizabeth’s presentation during the recent Soul and the Machine webinar on the International Society of Mythology website
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397 — The Shamanic Journey You Never Knew Fasting Could Be With Sean McCormick
Thanks to its recent mainstream popularity, more people are turning to fasting as a means to promote better health and weight loss than ever before, but is it a good one? Fasting can be beneficial for some …
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Thanks to its recent mainstream popularity, more people are turning to fasting as a means to promote better health and weight loss than ever before, but is it a good one?
Fasting can be beneficial for some people but not everyone, and only if they really pay attention to what their bodies are telling them and are working with professionals like Sean McCormick, an expert in the realm of dry fasting.
Paul and Sean discuss the real world pros and cons of fasting and how a session of fasting, under the best and safest conditions, can be a life-changing Shamanic journey this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Sean and dry fasting on his website and Dry Fast With Friends where you can access a FREE Dry Fast Guide and masterclass video. Find Sean on social media via Instagram here and here. Listen to Sean’s Optimal Performance podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to them.
For Spirit Gym listeners: Interested in taking the next step into dry fasting? Join Sean’s next Dry Fast With Friends 4.0 live event starting June 25 at Dry Fast With Friends. Save 50 PERCENT on the event or any other levels of dry fasting by using the promo code CHEK. (Special offers from Spirit Gym guests are time-sensitive and at their discretion to redeem after 30 days.)
Timestamps
4:28 Sean’s journey to performance optimization began when his parents taught him transcendental meditation at age 12.
11:17 Sean’s first dry fast was to impress a young woman who is now his wife during Ramadan.
29:32 Sean’s experiments with various fasting methods that are measurable.
35:13 Why dry fasting works best for Sean.
41:44 Pay attention to how your body reacts badly and well to fasting, then food and water afterward.
53:23 How a fast can be an introspective process.
1:02:07 Down and dirty with enemas.
1:12:11 Can you recognize you don’t know everything and be willing to refer a client to a health professional with more skills?
1:20:32 Dry fasting isn’t good for everyone, with the metabolic disruptions that occur in your body.
1:36:19 Treat fasting like a Shamanic journey, not a quick fix to lose weight.
Resources
The Phoenix Protocol: Dry Fasting For Rapid Healing and Radical Life Extension by Dr. August Dunning
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396 — Does Your Personal Cosmology Need Improvement Before a Plant Medicine Ceremony With Mark Gober
If someone asked you about your personal cosmology — who are you, why are you here and what is your role on our planet — what would you tell them? Or, more to the point, could you really answer the question?For …
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If someone asked you about your personal cosmology — who are you, why are you here and what is your role on our planet — what would you tell them? Or, more to the point, could you really answer the question?
For best-selling author Mark Gober, it took years for him to understand the huge gap between following a personal cosmology that was nihilistic, random, superficial and meaningless and living an intentional one that embraces Spirit and the divine in all of us.
A decade passed before Mark was ready for his first plant medicine ceremony, and the healing work he did on developing his personal cosmology made all of the difference in creating a positive, intimate experience that keeps on delivering insights.
Join Mark and Paul on a journey of discovery and lasting growth with help from plant medicines and learn why a personal cosmology matters this week on Spirit Gym.
Check out Mark and his work on his website and on social media via Facebook, Instagram, Twitter/X, LinkedIn, YouTube and Telegram.
Timestamps
3:46 Does our intellect or something in our biology block us being receptive to our natural state, especially as we age?
12:23 How plant medicines reconnect us to the various aspects of ourselves.
15:20 Amnesia is built into the human experience (with a large dose of ignorance thrown in).
22:27 Ibogaine: A medicine that loves through truth, even when it is painful.
31:12 Mark meets ibogaine.
44:00 It took a decade for Mark to be ready for his first plant medicine ceremony.
46:55 Mark’s four intentions going into his first plant medicine ceremony.
1:05:31 Self-betrayal: A form of self-loathing that our society trains us to do.
1:09:35 Ancestral trauma, underlying terror and catastrophic thinking.
1:17:27 “Whenever we heal for ourselves, we’re really healing for our family.”
1:26:54 The purpose of existence and authenticity is the only game in town.
1:32:07 A sign Mark was tapping into his divine guidance before his plant medicine ceremony: Writing a book about it.
Resources
An End to the Upside Down Cosmos by Mark Gober
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395 — The Family Who Ditched The Rat Race and Never Looked Back With Robyn and Victor Robledo
If you’re a parent, do you remember one day when you had fun with your kids doing things that weren’t tied down to going on a (rare) yearly vacation or a holiday gathering?Unfortunately, most parents are living …
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If you’re a parent, do you remember one day when you had fun with your kids doing things that weren’t tied down to going on a (rare) yearly vacation or a holiday gathering?
Unfortunately, most parents are living the lives of event planners, carting their kids from home to school, birthday parties, recitals, large family gatherings and too many youth sports and hardly anyone is having any fun (or getting much sleep).
Do you want to parent your kids in a more holistic, connected way that teaches them how to be their best selves and allows you to live your best life too? Robyn and Victor Robledo, the nomads with a purpose who raised their five kids on the road, will show you how this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Robyn, Victor and their family at the Nomads With a Purpose website and Robyn’s website. Check out their adventures on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook and TikTok. Contact Victor and Robyn via email for information about their services.
Timestamps
4:39 Building a business as a couple at age 20 on the fly and figuring it out.
8:11 Victor’s extreme adrenal fatigue and subsequent panic attack changed everything.
16:15 Victor’s collision course with trauma.
20:46 Leaving Southern California to explore the world.
29:24 Two parents and five kids living on the road on about 150 euros ($174) a day.
32:37 Paul’s collision course with seasonal affective disorder.
39:08 There's something amazing about waking up and choosing what you want to do today, not what you have to do.
47:53 Are you so afraid of your kids that they will reject you?
55:12 “There’s no self-growth in me sitting on the sidelines of another soccer game.”
1:04:54 What started as homeschooling eventually became unschooling.
1:13:09 Robyn and Victor raised a family of seven on roughly $4,000 per month while living on the road.
1:32:39 The Five Pillars of healthy living Robyn and Victor have used to build their family.
Resources
The Road Less Traveled: Why You Shouldn’t Give Up Your Comfy Couch, Hot Showers and Steady Paycheck by Robyn Robledo
Gabriela Robledo’s TEDx Talk on How to Find Purpose and Personal Power
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394 — Every Parable Has 3 Levels of Understanding and Most People Are Stuck on Level One With Sean O’Laoire
When many of you were very young, you learned about right versus wrong sitting in Sunday School being taught the Parables of Jesus. Unfortunately, that’s often where the learning stopped…Discover how reviewing …
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When many of you were very young, you learned about right versus wrong sitting in Sunday School being taught the Parables of Jesus. Unfortunately, that’s often where the learning stopped…
Discover how reviewing the Parables from an adult perspective can be a transformative experience with the help of Sean O’Laoire this week on Spirit Gym.
Learn more about Sean at his Spirits in Spacesuits website. Find him on social media via Facebook, Instagram and YouTube.
Timestamps
8:04 Defining Parables.
9:42 The difference between knowledge and wisdom.
16:21 Jesus: The master of exaggeration.
23:21 The master and the servant motif in Parables.
26:16 The real lesson behind the Prodigal Son Parable.
30:48 The Proverb (ancient words).
48:32 “Every piece that’s necessary is there and every piece that’s there is necessary.”
56:53 The soul.
1:00:32 What’s your personal epistemology?
1:11:00 The Cross according to Rudolf Steiner.
1:21:40 “There is no situation you cannot reconfigure in order to become a deeply spiritual person.”
1:26:10 Solving problems from a deeper meta-perspective.
1:38:54 Religion: The training wheels for spirituality.
1:45:52 Do you live in gratitude?
2:01:10 Sean closes the conversation with a song.
Resources
Setting God Free: Moving Beyond the Caricature We've Created in Our Own Image by Sean O’Laoire
Jesus and Lao Tzu: The Parallel Sayings by Martin Aronson
The cockle (weed)
Ilya Progogine’s concept of dissipative structures
Paul’s podcast conversation with Sayer Ji
How to Understand Your Bible by Manly P. Hall
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