Stop Chasing Pain
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About the podcast
Health and Fitness Extravaganza of Information empowering your to take back control of your life from pain. Simple and fundamental is the theme for this show. The depth with which you master the basics influences how well you understand everything you learn after that. Exploring tips, tricks, hacks and strategies from all walks of life and different disciplines sharing perspectives on healing. Pain is a request for change. A change in how you live your life. Come join us and we will go on the change journey together.
Episodes 100
SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 59: Pain on Both Sides of Your Body? You're Looking in the Wrong Place!
What if the place where you feel pain isn't actually where the problem begins? In this mini episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry 'The Lymph DOc' challenges the traditional approach to chronic …
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What if the place where you feel pain isn't actually where the problem begins?
In this mini episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry 'The Lymph DOc' challenges the traditional approach to chronic pain and explains why treating only the painful body part may be keeping you stuck in an endless cycle of temporary relief and frustration.
When both feet hurt, both knees ache, or both hands experience pain, it may be time to stop focusing exclusively on those areas and start investigating the bigger picture.
Your brain, spinal cord, nervous system, breathing patterns, diaphragm, and inflammatory processes can all influence how your body experiences pain.
Dr. Perry shares why understanding the connections between body systems is often more important than finding another treatment technique.
In this episode, you'll discover:
Why the location of pain doesn't always reveal its source.
Why pain on both sides of the body should prompt a broader assessment.
How the brain and spinal cord influence pain throughout the body.
Why chronic pain requires a different approach than an acute injury.
How breathing patterns, the diaphragm, and nervous system function may contribute to persistent symptoms.
Why MRI findings don't always explain someone's pain.
How your personal history and your body's ability to adapt influence symptoms.
Why the best treatment technique won't help if you're addressing the wrong problem.
How to begin thinking in systems rather than chasing individual symptoms.
One of the biggest lessons from this episode:
"Think and link. Don't name and blame."
Stop getting trapped by labels, diagnoses, and isolated body parts. Start asking better questions about how your entire body works together.
Your pain is real. But the answer may require looking beyond where it hurts.
Stop chasing pain. Start understanding your body.
Connect with Dr. Perry NickelstonStop Chasing Pain Website: https://www.stopchasingpain.com
YouTube — Stop Chasing Pain: https://www.youtube.com/@stopchasingpain
Explore educational videos about the diaphragm, breathing, lymphatic health, nervous system function, and the BIG 6® lymphatic reset.
Learn more about our courses, workshops, and educational programs at Stop Chasing Pain.
Subscribe to the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, leave a review, and share this episode with someone who's tired of chasing symptoms without finding answers.
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SCP Podcast: EMFs, Grounding, and Your Health: The Invisible Environment with Justin Frandson
What if something you can't see is influencing how your body responds to stress, recovers, and performs? In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry welcomes Justin Frandson, athletic …
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What if something you can't see is influencing how your body responds to stress, recovers, and performs?
In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry welcomes Justin Frandson, athletic performance coach, author, and founder of EMF Rocks, to explore electromagnetic fields (EMFs), our increasingly technology-filled environment, and the relationship between nature, human physiology, and health.
We live surrounded by Wi-Fi, smartphones, Bluetooth devices, wireless technology, and electrical systems. But how much do we really understand about our everyday electromagnetic environment?
Justin brings his experience working with athletes and his interest in electromagnetic exposure to a conversation about grounding, recovery, and the importance of examining the environment in which our bodies function.
Topics to explore in this episode:
What electromagnetic fields are and the difference between naturally occurring and human-made EMFs.
Justin's perspective on electromagnetic exposure, the nervous system, sleep, and athletic performance.
Why our relationship with technology deserves greater attention.
Grounding, nature, and their potential roles in health and recovery.
The story behind EMF Rocks and its grounding products.
Practical ways to become more aware of your everyday environment.
Why health requires looking beyond isolated symptoms and considering the entire body and its surroundings.
The bigger message is about awareness. Our bodies do not exist independently of their environment. Sleep, stress, movement, recovery, and the conditions we live in all deserve attention.
This conversation invites you to question assumptions, explore different perspectives, and become more intentional about your environment.
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Justin Frandson — EMF Rocks
Dr. Perry Nickelston — Stop Chasing Pain
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SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 58: The Inversion Principle...Stop Doing What Keeps You Stuck
What if the secret to improving your health, reducing stress, changing your habits, and living a better life isn't about doing MORE, but doing LESS? In this solo episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr …
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What if the secret to improving your health, reducing stress, changing your habits, and living a better life isn't about doing MORE, but doing LESS?
In this solo episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry introduces one of his favorite principles for creating meaningful change: The Inversion Principle.
Most people approach change by asking, "What do I need to start doing to get better?" They create long lists of new habits, routines, supplements, exercises, and goals. But what if we've been looking at things backward?
What if a better question is:
"What am I currently doing that's preventing me from getting where I want to go?"
That's inversion. Flip the question. Change your perspective. Discover what's holding you back, and start removing it.
Dr. Perry explores how inversion connects with the Law of Subtraction, the power of consistency, and the nonlinear nature of the human body, where a small change can sometimes create a surprisingly large impact.
Drawing from over 30 years of clinical experience and his own personal journey, he explains why trying to change everything at once often leads to frustration, overwhelm, and eventually giving up.
In this episode, you'll discover:
How to use the Inversion Principle to rethink your health, habits, relationships, and daily choices.
Why removing harmful or unhelpful habits can be more effective than constantly adding new ones.
How small, consistent changes can have a meaningful impact on your nervous system and quality of life.
Why doing too much, too quickly, can sabotage your progress.
How changing your relationship with pain can help you stop defining yourself by your symptoms.
Why building self-trust through consistency may be one of the most important changes you make.
Your 30-Day Inversion Challenge
Grab a pen and paper. Choose one area of your life you'd like to improve.
Instead of asking how to succeed, ask yourself:
"What would I have to do to guarantee I fail?"
Write down the answers. Notice which habits you're already practicing. Pick one or two and begin changing them consistently for the next 30 days.
You don't need to overhaul your entire life overnight.
Sometimes the most powerful change begins with what you stop doing.
Invert. Invert. Invert.
Stop chasing symptoms. Start changing the patterns.
Live your life with MOJO!
Connect With Stop Chasing PainWebsite, courses, and MOJO education: https://www.stopchasingpain.com/
Additional Resources: The Inversion PrincipleJames Clear — Inversion: The Crucial Thinking Skill Nobody Ever Taught You https://jamesclear.com/inversion
An excellent introduction to inversion, including its connections to decision-making, avoiding mistakes, and changing habits.
James Clear — Mental Models https://jamesclear.com/mental-models
Explore inversion and other thinking tools for making better decisions.
Mental Model Practices — Inversion https://mmpractices.com/mental_models/inversion/
Practical exercises for applying inversion and subtraction to everyday challenges.
Remember: You don't always have to add something new to change your life. Sometimes you need to remove what's keeping you stuck.
SCP Podcast: Change Your Mind, Change Your Brain: The Art of Self-Brain Surgery with Dr. Lee Warren
Change Your Mind, Change Your Brain: The Art of Self-Brain Surgery with Dr. Lee Warren What if the way you think is shaping the way your brain functions, how your body responds, and how you experience the …
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Change Your Mind, Change Your Brain: The Art of Self-Brain Surgery with Dr. Lee Warren
What if the way you think is shaping the way your brain functions, how your body responds, and how you experience the world?
In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry Nickelston sits down with neurosurgeon and New York Times bestselling author Dr. Lee Warren to explore the fascinating intersection of neuroscience, neuroplasticity, faith, and healing.
Dr. Warren is the author of The Life-Changing Art of Self-Brain Surgery: Connecting Neuroscience and Faith to Radically Transform Your Life. His work explores how we can become more intentional about our thoughts, interrupt destructive mental patterns, develop resilience, and create meaningful changes in our lives.
Topics we explore:
How thoughts and experiences influence the brain through neuroplasticity
What Dr. Warren means by "self-brain surgery"
Why changing your thinking can change how you experience life
The relationship between stress, emotions, thoughts, and healing
Breaking free from limiting beliefs and repetitive mental patterns
How hope, resilience, and personal responsibility influence recovery
The intersection of neuroscience, faith, and human transformation
At Stop Chasing Pain, we often talk about looking beyond symptoms to understand the systems influencing health. This conversation extends that philosophy to the mind and brain.
Healing isn't always about doing more. Sometimes it's about learning to think, respond, and live differently.
Connect with Dr. Lee Warren
Website: https://wleewarrenmd.com
Book — The Life-Changing Art of Self-Brain Surgery:
The Dr. Lee Warren Podcast: https://wleewarrenmd.com/podcast/
Connect with Dr. Perry Nickelston — Stop Chasing Pain
Website: https://www.stopchasingpain.com
Explore more about the lymphatic system, nervous system regulation, movement, and whole-body healing at Stop Chasing Pain.
Think systems, not symptoms. Stop chasing pain.
SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 57: The Body Was Never as Complicated as I Made It (Or They Taught Me)
What if the biggest breakthrough in healing isn't learning something new, but getting back to what you've been overlooking all along? After 30 years in clinical practice, I have learned something that …
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What if the biggest breakthrough in healing isn't learning something new, but getting back to what you've been overlooking all along?
After 30 years in clinical practice, I have learned something that completely changed how he approaches pain, health, and healing:
The human body isn't nearly as complicated as we make it.
In this solo episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry kicks off a new series sharing the lessons he wishes he'd known when he first started practicing three decades ago.
These aren't lessons from textbooks or research papers. They're insights gained from working with real people, making mistakes, changing perspectives, and discovering what matters when conventional approaches aren't getting results.
One of the biggest lessons? When things go wrong, simplify.
We live in a world obsessed with the next supplement, biohack, complicated exercise program, or magic solution. But sometimes the very things you're overlooking are the fundamentals your body needs most.
In This Episode, You'll Discover:Why 30 years of clinical experience taught Dr. Perry to stop overcomplicating the human body.
Why chronic pain and persistent symptoms may be a signal to return to the basics.
The importance of hydration and its relationship to lymphatic function, circulation, and recovery.
How simple breathing strategies can support better function.
Why walking and fundamental human movement deserve more attention.
How the BIG 6® fits into Dr. Perry's approach to daily self-care.
Why consistency matters more than constantly searching for another technique.
How removing unhealthy habits can sometimes accomplish more than adding new supplements or routines.
Why the overwhelming amount of health information available today can actually make healing feel harder.
If you've been struggling with pain, trying everything, and feeling overwhelmed by conflicting advice, consider simplifying your approach.
Start with the fundamentals.
Hydrate. Breathe. Move. Remove unnecessary negatives. Be consistent.
You don't necessarily need another complicated strategy. You may need to start consistently doing the simple things you already know.
And remember one of Dr. Perry's favorite sayings:
"The human body is under no obligation to make sense to you."
Your body is constantly adapting and responding. Sometimes the most powerful thing you can do is stop trying to outsmart it and start supporting its fundamental needs.
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SCP podcast: The Heart Is Not a Pump: Healing After a Widowmaker Heart Attack with Dr. Stephen Hussey
What if everything you were told about your heart was missing the bigger picture? At 34, Dr. Stephen Hussey was doing everything "right." He ate whole foods, exercised, avoided toxins, and kept his type 1 …
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What if everything you were told about your heart was missing the bigger picture?
At 34, Dr. Stephen Hussey was doing everything "right." He ate whole foods, exercised, avoided toxins, and kept his type 1 diabetes under tight control. On paper his labs looked great. Then he had a massive "widowmaker" heart attack. In this episode, Stephen shares how the hospital's standard approach left him with more questions than answers, and how he chose a different path. He used infrared sauna, sunlight, grounding and circadian rhythm to bring his heart back to normal function within months. Over the next two years, a 70–99% blockage in his leg cleared to a normal artery.
We get into ideas that challenge conventional cardiology. Stephen explains why he sees the heart less as a pressure pump and more as a vortexing hydraulic ram, and how infrared light and structured water help move blood, lymph and spinal fluid. He also covers why many heart attacks may be driven by nervous system imbalance rather than plaque alone, and why they spike on Monday mornings, holidays and after daylight saving time changes. The thread running through all of it is oscillation. Light and dark, warm and cold, stress and recovery: the body is built to move between them, and modern life keeps us stuck in one state.
This conversation will change the way you think about your heart, your nervous system and your environment. Stephen closes with two simple, no-cost habits you can start tonight. Keep asking better questions, and live with MOJO, because MOJO means magic.
In this episode, you'll learn:
- How a health-conscious type 1 diabetic with "perfect" labs still had a 100% widowmaker blockage
- The infrared sauna, sunlight, grounding and circadian strategy Stephen used to recover his heart and reverse peripheral artery disease
- Why the heart may not be the main pump, with evidence from embryos and stopped-heart studies, plus Dr. Gerald Pollack's research
- The three roles of the heart: vortexing the blood, slowing blood flow during exertion, and sensing coherence
- What structured water is, and how infrared light builds it while toxins and wireless signals break it down
- How nervous system imbalance can trigger heart attacks with no blockages (MINOCA), and the "dog on a leash" analogy for the sympathetic and parasympathetic systems
- Why heart attacks cluster on Monday mornings, holidays and daylight saving time changes
- The overlooked research of forensic pathologist Dr. Giorgio Baroldi suggesting some blockages may result from a heart attack rather than cause it
- Why oscillation and rhythm are the foundation of adaptability and health
- Two simple habits to start now: limit blue light after sunset, and stop eating 4–5 hours before bed to support melatonin, deep sleep and nighttime lymphatic flow
Dr. Stephen Hussey — Resource Your Health
Stop Chasing Pain Podcast #193: Dr. Gerald Pollack — The Fourth Phase of Water
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SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 56: Is Your Chronic Pain/Chronic Stress Because Of Your Eyes?
In this Mini Podcast episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry explores the surprising connection between your eyes, nervous system, movement, balance, and chronic pain. Your eyes do far more than …
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In this Mini Podcast episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry explores the surprising connection between your eyes, nervous system, movement, balance, and chronic pain.
Your eyes do far more than help you see. Eye movement communicates constantly with the vestibular system, cerebellum, brainstem, and the muscles that prepare your body for movement. That means problems with eye tracking, coordination, or gaze control may influence how you move, how you balance, and potentially where you experience persistent tension or discomfort.
Dr. Perry breaks down the relationship between eye movement and the cerebellum—the part of the brain heavily involved in accuracy, balance, coordination, and timing—and explains why the principle "where the eyes go, the head goes, and the body goes" can be important when looking at chronic pain and recurring injuries.
You'll also learn how moving the eyes can activate the suboccipital muscles at the base of the skull, creating a potential connection between visual function, neck tension, headaches, and jaw discomfort.
The episode also introduces the cranial nerves involved with vision and eye movement, including the optic, oculomotor, trochlear, and abducens nerves, and why these pathways provide such a powerful window into brainstem and nervous-system function.
Dr. Perry finishes with simple eye-movement exercises you can experiment with and encourages you to notice changes in movement, pain, sleep, and overall nervous-system state.
If you've been chasing the painful area without getting lasting results, it may be time to look somewhere completely different.
Think systems. Not symptoms.
Eye Mojo Class Link: https://education.stopchasingpain.com/courses/eye-mojo-webinar-Oct-2026
Eye Exercise Video Link: https://youtu.be/RdOf-Isk0IU?si=2-LSlpluSTT-_4Zh
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SCP Podcast #287: The Heart Surgeon Who Changed His Mind About Nutrition | Dr. Philip Ovadia
In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with board-certified cardiac surgeon and author Dr. Philip Ovadia for a wide-ranging conversation about heart disease, metabolic health …
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In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with board-certified cardiac surgeon and author Dr. Philip Ovadia for a wide-ranging conversation about heart disease, metabolic health, nutrition, and what it really means to take control of your health.
After more than 25 years as a heart surgeon, Dr. Ovadia brings a unique perspective to the conversation—not only from the thousands of patients he has treated, but from his own health journey. Once morbidly obese and pre-diabetic, he began questioning the conventional nutritional advice he had been taught after realizing it wasn't working for him. He ultimately lost more than 100 pounds and made metabolic health a central focus of his work.
Dr. Perry and Dr. Ovadia explore how our food environment has changed over the last century, the rise of processed foods and refined carbohydrates, and the long-running debate surrounding dietary fat, cholesterol, and cardiovascular disease.
They also discuss why nutrition can feel so confusing, how conflicting health information leaves people unsure of what to believe, and why looking at the relationships between multiple health markers may provide more useful context than focusing on a single laboratory value.
The conversation also dives into Dr. Ovadia's new book, Stay Off My Kitchen Table, the follow-up to Stay Off My Operating Table, and his goal of giving people practical tools to better understand nutrition, digestion, metabolic health, and their own blood work.
Topics discussed include:
• Why heart disease remains such a major health challenge • Dr. Ovadia's journey from unhealthy heart surgeon to metabolic health advocate • How processed food changed the modern diet • The history and evolution of dietary guidelines • Low-carbohydrate nutrition and metabolic health • Cholesterol and the debate surrounding LDL • Blood sugar, blood pressure, weight, and cardiovascular risk • Why one laboratory marker should be viewed in the context of the whole person • Understanding and interpreting your blood work • Moving from managing disease toward building health • Giving people the knowledge to become more active participants in their own health
This episode is ultimately about asking better questions, looking beyond isolated numbers, and understanding the bigger picture of health.
Dr. Philip Ovadia — Ovadia Heart Health Stay Off My Kitchen Table — Official Book Page Dr. Ovadia's Books
SCP Podcast Episode 286: The Wild Journey Healing From Cancer with Dean Hall
In this powerful episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Dean Hall, therapist, two-time cancer survivor, extreme-distance swimmer, and author of The Wild Cure: From Death to Life on …
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In this powerful episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Dean Hall, therapist, two-time cancer survivor, extreme-distance swimmer, and author of The Wild Cure: From Death to Life on Oregon's Longest River.
Dean shares the extraordinary story of swimming 187 miles of Oregon's Willamette River while facing leukemia and how the experience transformed his relationship with his body, grief, fear, and the natural world. What began as a challenge to leave his daughter a legacy of courage became a profound lesson in resilience, purpose, and refusing to let a diagnosis define your life. Dean describes how immersing himself in cold water and nature changed his mental and emotional state and helped him reconnect with life after years of illness and devastating loss.
Dr. Perry and Dean explore why reconnecting with nature may be one of the simplest ways to change the state of the nervous system. They discuss water, cold exposure, movement, fractals in nature, grief, human connection, purpose, resilience, and the feeling of becoming part of nature rather than merely observing it. Dean shares how his relationship with the river evolved from something to conquer into what he called "Mama River," and how that experience helped reshape the way he viewed himself and the world around him. This conversation is ultimately about much more than surviving cancer, it is about remembering what it means to feel alive, reconnecting with the environments humans evolved within, and discovering how powerful small steps back toward nature can be.
Connect with Dean Hall on Instagram: @DeanHallOfficial on Instagram
Get Dean's book — The Wild Cure: From Death to Life on Oregon's Longest River: Official The Wild Cure book page
Learn more about Dean: The Wild Cure Way
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SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 55: Your Liver Makes 50% of Your Lymph — Here's Why That Matters
In this solo mini-episode, Dr. Perry breaks down why the liver deserves a serious look for anyone dealing with chronic pain, chronic inflammation, or chronic disease. The liver performs over 500 functions in …
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In this solo mini-episode, Dr. Perry breaks down why the liver deserves a serious look for anyone dealing with chronic pain, chronic inflammation, or chronic disease. The liver performs over 500 functions in the body, and problems there often don't show up on standard blood work until things are already seriously compromised.
Dr. Perry walks through a simple self-check: pressing under the angle of the right ribcage to feel for tightness or tenderness, a sign the liver's fascia may be inflamed or under strain. He explains the liver's deep connection to the lymphatic system, since it produces 25–50% of the body's lymph, which drains through the thoracic duct and splits unevenly between the left and right venous angles (75/25). He also cautions against jumping straight into liver detox supplements without first clearing the lymphatic pathways, since an overburdened liver can make people feel worse when the "pipes" aren't clear yet.
Key symptoms covered that may point back to the liver:
- Itchy or reddened skin
- Referred pain into the right shoulder, neck, and trap (sometimes migrating left)
- Brain fog and memory issues from disrupted vascular flow and intracranial pressure
- Yellowing of the eyes
- Unexplained weight gain tied to estrogen elimination
- Chronic fatigue and easy bruising
- Swollen ankles and feet
- Body and back pain
- Cold or dry hands and feet, tingling/numbness
- Dry eyes and dry mouth
He also introduces the cisterna chyli, the body's largest lymphatic sac, sitting midway between the navel and sternum — and how stagnation there backs up into the liver.
Takeaway: The liver is a major detox organ under constant assault from modern toxins, poor food, and supplement overload — and it deserves direct attention, especially for anyone with chronic pain, inflammation, or lymphatic issues.
SCP Podcast Episode 285: The New Brain Drain Discovery with Shalin Bhatt
What if supporting brain health isn't only about neurons, neurotransmitters, and blood flow—but also about how effectively the brain moves fluid and clears waste? In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain …
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What if supporting brain health isn't only about neurons, neurotransmitters, and blood flow—but also about how effectively the brain moves fluid and clears waste?
In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Shalin Bhatt for a deep dive into the rapidly evolving science of brain drainage, the glymphatic system, meningeal lymphatics, cerebrospinal fluid, and neuroinflammation.
They explore a fundamental question: How does the brain keep its internal environment clean and maintain fluid homeostasis?
The conversation examines emerging research suggesting that cerebrospinal fluid, the glymphatic system, meningeal lymphatics, the venous system, and peripheral lymphatics may function as interconnected parts of a much larger brain-fluid network.
In this episode, you'll discover:- Why scientists once believed the central nervous system had no lymphatic drainage
- The discovery and renewed interest in meningeal lymphatic vessels
- What the glymphatic system does in the brain
- How cerebrospinal fluid moves through different brain compartments
- The connection between the brain's fluid systems and the deep cervical lymph nodes
- The Cerebral Lymph Hypothesis and its fountain model of interconnected fluid compartments
- Why fluid homeostasis may be critical for maintaining a healthy brain environment
- How impaired clearance could potentially relate to neuroinflammation and brain fog
- Why amyloid and tau accumulation raises important questions about waste removal—not simply waste production
- The relationship between the nervous, immune, vascular, and lymphatic systems
- Why sleep and circadian rhythms may be important for glymphatic function
- The emerging concept of looking at the brain through a neurofluid rather than purely neurocentric lens
- Why curiosity, systems thinking, and asking "what if we're missing something?" continue to drive discoveries in neuroscience
This conversation is about looking beyond isolated structures and asking a bigger question:
What happens when the systems responsible for moving fluid, maintaining homeostasis, and clearing waste can no longer keep up?
If you're interested in brain health, lymphatics, neuroinflammation, chronic pain, brain fog, cerebrospinal fluid, or complex systems, this is an episode you won't want to miss.
Subscribe to the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast for more conversations exploring the connections that are often overlooked when we focus only on where the symptoms are.
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SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 54: The Law of Connection....Look Beyond Where It Hurts
The Law of Connection: Look Beyond Where It Hurts In this mini episode, Dr. Perry introduces the first of the 30 Laws of Stop Chasing Pain: The Law of Connection—the idea that no system in the body works, gets …
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The Law of Connection: Look Beyond Where It HurtsIn this mini episode, Dr. Perry introduces the first of the 30 Laws of Stop Chasing Pain: The Law of Connection—the idea that no system in the body works, gets injured, or heals in isolation.
When pain becomes chronic, focusing only on where it hurts may cause you to miss the bigger picture. A painful foot, for example, may involve compensations from the hip, opposite side of the body, circulation, lymphatic flow, the gut, nervous system, eyes, organs, fascia, or other interconnected systems.
Dr. Perry explains the Body Ecosystem Algorithm, a framework for widening the lens and considering the brain and nervous system, lymphatic flow, blood flow, peripheral nerves, gut and organs, fascia, musculoskeletal system, and finally the painful area itself.
The core message is simple: when something has been hurting for months, think systems—not just symptoms. Your body is constantly adapting and compensating in an attempt to protect you, so the source of the problem may be several layers removed from where you actually feel the pain.
Key takeaway: Everything is connected. Look beyond where it hurts. Think and link instead of isolating the symptom.
SCP Podcast Episode 284: Dr. David Rabin (A Simple Guide to Being Alive)
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In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with physician, neuroscientist, author, and Apollo Neuro co-founder Dr. David Rabin to dicuss how stress, soothing touch, vibration, and the vagus nerve influence pain, recovery, resilience, and emotional well-being. They discuss why chronic distress can keep the body locked in survival mode redirecting resources away from digestion, immunity, sleep, learning, creativity, and pain and why effective healing strategies don't always need to be complicated.
You'll discover how gentle touch and vibration may communicate safety to the nervous system, why the body responds differently to distress and growth-promoting "eustress," and how changing your interpretation of a challenge can change your physiological response to it. This conversation offers a hopeful reminder: your nervous system is not broken—it may simply need consistent signals that help it feel safe enough to recover.
In this episode, you'll learn:
- Why soothing touch may activate vagal pathways involved in recovery
- How chronic fight-or-flight activation can affect pain and healing
- The difference between distress and beneficial eustress
- Why perceived safety matters to digestion, immunity, sleep, and repair
- How gentle vibration can influence nervous-system regulation
- Why mindset can help transform hardship into an opportunity for growth
- How simple, consistent practices can build greater resilience
- Why healing requires treating the whole human—not merely the painful body part
If you're living with chronic pain, inflammation, stress, poor sleep, or the feeling that your body is constantly on high alert, this episode will help you understand what may be happening beneath the symptoms.
Listen now—and if this conversation helps you think differently about your body, subscribe to the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, share the episode with someone who needs it, and join us as we learn to think systems, not symptoms.
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_:empty]:hidden">SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 53: Ever Heard of Walking? It's Good For You
Healing can feel overwhelming especially when conflicting health advice, complicated protocols, and endless biohacks make you question every decision. In this mini episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr …
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Healing can feel overwhelming especially when conflicting health advice, complicated protocols, and endless biohacks make you question every decision. In this mini episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry explains why healing may be simpler than you've been led to believe. Instead of adding more, it may be time to master less and return to the fundamentals your body needs most.
Discover the restorative power of drinking more water, walking every day, spending time in nature, moving with variety, and being present without your phone. Dr. Perry shares practical ways to begin wherever you are even if you can only walk a few steps and gradually build your body's capacity. The message is simple: stop overthinking, stop overcomplicating, and consistently give your body the basic ingredients it needs to heal.
SCP Podcast Episode 283: Becoming Evolvable with Dr. Beau Lotto
What if the goal isn't to control life, but to become better at responding to it? In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry welcomes back perception expert Dr. Beau Lotto to explore why life's …
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What if the goal isn't to control life, but to become better at responding to it? In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry welcomes back perception expert Dr. Beau Lotto to explore why life's nonlinear and unpredictable nature makes control an illusion. Beau explains the difference between control and agency mand how the curiosity, humility, and self-awareness we bring into each moment shape our perceptions, responses, relationships, and future.
Beau also introduces his new book, Becoming Evolvable, and the Evolvable.me platform, which uses neuroscience, psychology, and AI to help people see themselves more honestly and adapt more effectively. Together, Perry and Beau discuss why collaboration matters more than competition, how small shifts can transform our lives, and why becoming more evolvable begins with changing how we enter the present moment.
Link to Unlock Your Personal Evolution
Link to Book
Links to prior episodes:
SCP Podcast 188: An Adventure with Dr. Bea Lotto SCP Podcast Episode 217: Dr. Beau Lotto – Uncertainty and PerceptionSCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 52: Don't Overcomplicate Breathing
In this mini episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry explains why better breathing doesn't need to be complicated. Learn how simple awareness, nasal breathing, slowing your breath, and gently …
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In this mini episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry explains why better breathing doesn't need to be complicated. Learn how simple awareness, nasal breathing, slowing your breath, and gently lengthening your exhale can help calm an overwhelmed nervous system and shift your body out of fight-or-flight mode. Healing begins with the fundamentals and one intentional breath can be a powerful place to start.
SCP Podcast Episode 282 : The Healing Power of Infrared Saunas with Connie Zack
You'll learn why more heat and longer sessions are not always better, how infrared exposure may influence circulation and cellular energy, and why it can be a valuable addition to the fundamentals of healing …
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You'll learn why more heat and longer sessions are not always better, how infrared exposure may influence circulation and cellular energy, and why it can be a valuable addition to the fundamentals of healing. Infrared therapy is not a replacement for movement, hydration, nutrition, sleep or medical care but it can help the body create a better internal environment for recovery.
In this episode, Dr. Perry chats with Connie Zack the co-founder of Sunlighten Saunas.
We discuss:
- The differences between far, mid, and near-infrared wavelengths
- Why hotter and more isn't better.
- How infrared therapy may support blood flow, oxygen delivery and nutrient movement
- The relationship between infrared light, mitochondria and cellular energy
- Potential benefits for relaxation, sleep and nervous-system regulation
- How infrared sauna may support exercise recovery and inflammation regulation
- How beginners can start "low and slow" with shorter sessions
- How session length should be adjusted based on health, energy and tolerance
- Why consistency matters more than forcing yourself through an intense session
The goal is not to chase another complicated health intervention. It is to understand how a simple practice helps calm the nervous system, move the fluids, support cellular energy and improve the conditions in which healing can occur.
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SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 51: The Magic of Working the Ears to Decrease Pain and Stress
In this podcast episode, Dr. Perry talks about the power of working with the ears in relationship to cranial nerves and chronic pain. You will learn specific strategies you can do to help yourself heal. Cranial …
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In this podcast episode, Dr. Perry talks about the power of working with the ears in relationship to cranial nerves and chronic pain. You will learn specific strategies you can do to help yourself heal.
SCP Podcast Episode 281 : Unlearn Your Pain with Dr. Howard Schubiner
What if chronic pain is not something you have to manage forever, but something your brain and body can actually unlearn? In this powerful episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Dr …
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What if chronic pain is not something you have to manage forever, but something your brain and body can actually unlearn?
In this powerful episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Dr. Howard Schubiner to discuss his new book, Unlearn Your Pain: The Science of Recovering from Chronic Pain, Fatigue, Anxiety and Depression. They explore how chronic pain can be driven by learned neural pathways, nervous system sensitization, stress, emotion, and the brain-body connection, not always by damaged tissue.
Dr. Schubiner shares a science-based, compassionate approach to helping people understand their symptoms differently, calm the threat response, and begin creating the conditions for real recovery.
If you or someone you love feels trapped in a cycle of pain, inflammation, fatigue, or fear of movement, this conversation will open a new door. It is a reminder that healing begins when we stop only chasing symptoms and start asking better questions about the nervous system, the brain, and the story the body has learned to protect you with.
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SCP Podcast Episode 280 : Back Pain. Feet. Fascia. with Dr. Eric Goodman
Dr. Perry talks with back pain expert, Dr. Eric Goodman creator of the Foundation training program. That program is my favorite one by far for helping people get out of pain and maintain spinal health. In this …
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Dr. Perry talks with back pain expert, Dr. Eric Goodman creator of the Foundation training program. That program is my favorite one by far for helping people get out of pain and maintain spinal health. In this episode, we talk about the foot and fascia and back pain.
Eric also talks about his new prodcut to help fascial unwinding https://trakgroundwear.com/
I have a pair of these and they are awesome.
Strap in your brain and your feet 😀 and learn how to feel better.
Get information about Foundation Training here...https://www.foundationtraining.com/
SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 50: Could an Old Scar Be Causing Your Chronic Pain?
When it comes to chronic pain everything matters, including scars. Why scars? Two big reasons... Neurosensory dysfunction where you have poor communication to the brain from the lack of sensation and pain is …
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When it comes to chronic pain everything matters, including scars. Why scars? Two big reasons...
- Neurosensory dysfunction where you have poor communication to the brain from the lack of sensation and pain is the output signal from the brain.
- Fascial thickening which can influence movement compensations over time leading to pain.
What is the most important thing to know? Check the scars and work the scars. Hope to see you at the webinar.
SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 49: Vagus Nerve Powerhouse Help For Inflammation
Vagal Rounds Link Vagus Mojo Webinar Link Vagal Taping Link This episode of the Stop Chasing Pain mini podcast Dr. Perry talks about the Vagus nerve, the most important nerve in the entire body to control …
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This episode of the Stop Chasing Pain mini podcast Dr. Perry talks about the Vagus nerve, the most important nerve in the entire body to control inflammation. He shows you what causes vagus dysfunction, and where the Vagus nerve can have some issues. Also some things you can do to feel better. If you wanna learn more about how your body heals itself, this is a great show to listen to.
SCP Podcast Episode 279: Deep Squat Healing With The Hunkerin Stool
This episode we talk about the power of deep squat in healing, chronic pain and changing your life with guest Kasey Jackson. Talking about his amazing invention, the Hunkerin Stool that you can use on a daily …
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This episode we talk about the power of deep squat in healing, chronic pain and changing your life with guest Kasey Jackson. Talking about his amazing invention, the Hunkerin Stool that you can use on a daily basis to get into the position that you used to be able to get in as kids. This is a foundational posture for body function and performance. A fantastic episode that will change the way you look at healing pain and feeling good again. Going back down to the deep squat.
Kasey was kind enough to offer our Stop Chasing Pain community a discount on a Hunkerin Stool. See link below and code below.
Code: Perry15
SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 48: Rebounding For Healing (Top 3 Life Habit)
In this episode, Dr. Perry breaks down why rebounding is more than just jumping on a mini-trampoline. It is a simple, low-impact way to support lymphatic flow, circulation, balance, proprioception, and nervous …
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In this episode, Dr. Perry breaks down why rebounding is more than just jumping on a mini-trampoline. It is a simple, low-impact way to support lymphatic flow, circulation, balance, proprioception, and nervous system regulation.
The body depends on movement, pressure changes, and rhythmic loading to help move fluid through the lymphatic system. Rebounding creates a gentle up-and-down pumping effect that may help stimulate fluid movement, improve tissue oxygenation, and wake up sensory receptors throughout the body.
Dr. Perry also explains how rebounding can influence the brain-body connection by challenging balance, coordination, vestibular input, and foot-to-core integration. Even a few minutes of gentle bouncing can be a powerful way to help the body shift out of stiffness, stagnation, and sympathetic overload.
This episode is a reminder that healing does not always require complex strategies. Sometimes the body needs rhythm, movement, pressure, and play.
Key takeaway: Rebounding is not just exercise. It is a nervous system, lymphatic, circulatory, and proprioceptive reset.
Link to BIG 6 Reset: (Do before the rebounder)
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SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 47: Chronic Pain? Don't Forget the Diaphragm Muscle
The diaphragm is more than a breathing muscle—it is a pressure-regulating, nervous-system-modulating, fluid-moving powerhouse. When the diaphragm is restricted, weak, over-braced, or poorly coordinated, the …
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The diaphragm is more than a breathing muscle—it is a pressure-regulating, nervous-system-modulating, fluid-moving powerhouse. When the diaphragm is restricted, weak, over-braced, or poorly coordinated, the body can compensate through the neck, shoulders, low back, pelvic floor, and jaw, creating chronic tension and pain patterns. Poor diaphragm function can alter rib motion, spinal stability, lymphatic drainage, venous return, vagus nerve signaling, and sympathetic "fight-or-flight" tone. In chronic pain, the question is not only "where does it hurt?" but also how is the body breathing, bracing, and managing pressure? That will impact pain.
We always check the diaphragm.
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SCP Podcast Episode 278: Inna Segal The Secret Language of the Body
On this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Inna Segal, author of The Secret Language of the Body, for a fascinating and lighthearted conversation about what your symptoms may be …
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On this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Inna Segal, author of The Secret Language of the Body, for a fascinating and lighthearted conversation about what your symptoms may be trying to say. Have you been struggling to heal and nothing is helping? This podcast episode is for you.
We explore the idea that the body is always communicating through sensations, pain, fatigue, and emotional patterns—and that learning to listen can change the way we heal.
Inna shares insights from her book on the deeper messages behind physical discomfort, the connection between emotions and the body, and how greater awareness can open the door to transformation. It's a fun, thoughtful, and eye-opening episode that will make you see your body in a whole new way. You will love it. I sure did. :)
SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 46: Dirty Brains and Brain Fog
BIG 6 Lymph Reset Video link Youtube Lymph Playlist In this epdisode Dr. Perry talks about the brain cleaning system and how if it's clogged you will have brain fog and more pain. So clean your brain …
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In this epdisode Dr. Perry talks about the brain cleaning system and how if it's clogged you will have brain fog and more pain. So clean your brain environment for optimal healing.
The glymphatic system is the brain's waste-clearance pathway, moving cerebrospinal fluid through spaces around blood vessels to wash through brain tissue and carry out inflammatory byproducts, metabolic waste, and excess proteins. That fluid then drains into the meningeal lymphatic vessels, which connect the brain to the body's broader lymphatic system, especially through lymph nodes in the neck.
When glymphatic flow or lymphatic drainage is impaired, waste and inflammatory signals can build up, increasing neuroinflammation, tissue stress, immune activation, and potentially contributing to symptoms such as brain fog, poor sleep, headache, and impaired recovery.
SCP Podcast Episode 277: PEMF For Healing
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*]:pointer-events-auto R6Vx5W_threadScrollVars scroll-mb-[calc(var(--scroll-root-safe-area-inset-bottom,0px)+var(--thread-response-height,0px))] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id= "request-WEB:a3a2338f-fa88-48d7-9a13-5c2cf7c0977a-0" data-testid= "conversation-turn-2" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn= "assistant">In this episode of the Stop Chasing Pain Podcast, Dr. Perry sits down with Steeve Bradet of PEMF with Steeve for conversation on pulsed electromagnetic frequency therapy, how it is being used in the real world, and what people should understand before investing in PEMF technology. Steeve centers on practical, science-focused PEMF education with an emphasis on simplifying the technical side, and helping people make more informed decisions. Steeve has "no fluff" focus highlighting pain relief, better sleep, faster recovery, and lower stress.
Together, Dr. Perry and Steeve explore where PEMF may fit into a healing framework, including recovery, stress regulation, sleep support, and performance. They also get into the bigger questions: how to think critically about wellness technology, how marketing can distort expectations, and why understanding the principles behind a device matters just as much as the claims made about it. This is a conversation for clinicians, biohackers, health seekers, and anyone curious about how energy-based tools may support the body when used with clarity and discernment.
Steeve Bradet is the founder of PEMF with Steeve, an Alberta, Canada-based education and product platform focused on pulsed electromagnetic field therapy. He creates videos and resources designed to make PEMF easier to understand, with content ranging from mat comparisons and controller education to DIY PEMF builds.
See his website here: https://www.pemfwithsteeve.com/
SCP Podcast Mini Series, Episode 45: Lymph: Cellulitis and Inflammation
In this episode Dr. Perry talks about his experience with cellulitis and how doing lymphatic BIG 6®️ resets changed his life. You can see and purchase BIG 6®️ here: BIG 6 Video Join our membership group here …
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In this episode Dr. Perry talks about his experience with cellulitis and how doing lymphatic BIG 6®️ resets changed his life.
You can see and purchase BIG 6®️ here: BIG 6 Video
Join our membership group here and learn how to heal yourself: Membership
Join our newsletter for discounts on workshops: Newsletter
SCP Podcast Episode 276: Helping Our Children Heal with Dr. Abby Kramer
Dr. Abby Kramer returns to the show to talk about the childrens health crisis in the world today. Kids are getting sicker sooner and experiencing many health related issues from fatty liver disease to …
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Dr. Abby Kramer returns to the show to talk about the childrens health crisis in the world today. Kids are getting sicker sooner and experiencing many health related issues from fatty liver disease to malnutrition. Dr. Abby talks about things you can start doing today to make a kinds healthier.
Dr. Abby is a chiropractor with a passion for helping people uncover the root cause of pain and dysfunction through a more holistic, whole-body approach. She combines clinical experience with a deep understanding of movement, recovery, and nervous system health to help patients heal, perform, and thrive.
She is one of the owners of Fringe Heals a health and wellness company that makes products like red light therapy and supplements. They make my favorite red light devices too. I have them all 😀
Use my discount code 'stopchasingpain' to save on any purchase on the site.
Visit Dr. Abby personal page to schedule appointments and learn from her directly.
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