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BTC BOUNCEBACK | DIGITAL REAL ESTATE W/ LEON WANKUM

October 9, 2026 · 47 min

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Leon Wankum, author of Digital Real Estate, is back on the show with host Jody Flournoy, fresh from the treasury conference in New York. They get into writing a book in the age of AI, whether the four year cycle bottom is in, how store of value went from gold to real estate and why Leon thinks bitcoin takes that role next, and the hidden costs of owning property versus the power law. Then the money mechanics: fiat financing and home prices since the dollar left gold in 1971, borrowing against bitcoin instead of selling it, bitcoin as the hurdle rate every business now has to beat, Grant Cardone's bitcoin real estate funds, and Leon's pitch to real estate investors who have not looked at bitcoin yet.

Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:43 Leon Wankum returns to the Friday Stack
1:26 Writing a book in the age of AI
5:12 Scanley: AI visibility
5:41 Four-year cycle: is the bottom in?
10:38 From gold to real estate to Bitcoin
13:11 Real estate's hidden costs and the power law
22:36 Why own real estate at all? Individuals vs. institutions
27:13 Fiat, financing and home prices since 1971
34:14 Borrowing against Bitcoin and building wealth
40:27 Bitcoin as the hurdle rate for businesses
41:47 The pitch to real estate investors
45:47 Wrap-up and where to find the book

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