The Foreign Area Officer Podcast

Back on the wire with retired Air Force Lt Col Dr. Brian Hobbs about his career as a Foreign Area Officer and his book, "US Defense Industry Offsets: The Presidential Exception for National Security." Hobbs traces his early exposure to Japan through an AFS high school exchange, Japanese study in college and ROTC, early intel assignments in Korea and Japan, graduate school and DLI language training in Chinese and Korean, teaching roles (including at the Korean Air Force Academy), and later work in SAF/IA implementing a more rigorous Air Force FAO (Regional Affairs Strategist) program amid institutional resistance. Post-retirement, he worked at DSCA, the F-35 program for Japan, and BAE Systems before completing a Virginia Tech PhD. He explains offsets as “side deals” in defense sales, outlines the U.S. hands-off policy with a presidential waiver, and highlights case studies on the UAE, Poland, and India.

00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro

01:27 Early Air Force Roots

02:10 Japan Exchange Spark

03:02 College and Language Path

09:16 First Assignments Korea Japan

10:49 Learning Hangul Fast

14:32 Why Korean Feels Hard

16:33 Self Managing Career Moves

24:10 First FAO Role Hawaii

27:51 Building Air Force FAO Program

31:42 Institutional Pushback Stories

37:50 From Intel to FMS Focus

40:14 Teaching and Return to Korea

42:13 DLI Instructor Friction

42:52 Studying Ahead Under Pressure

44:22 Romance Language Advantage

46:15 Testing Out and Institutional Limits

48:21 Kicked Out of Class

51:44 Turning Setback Into Success

54:44 Post Retirement Job Pivot

57:27 F 35 Japan and FMS

01:00:12 Hybrid Programs and Reform

01:06:00 Industry Travel Burnout

01:08:25 PhD Path and GI Bill

01:14:55 Offsets Research Breakthrough

01:21:22 Offsets Explained With Examples

01:25:51 Offsets Gone Weird

01:26:34 FAO Awareness Not Negotiation

01:28:32 Corruption vs Buy American

01:32:23 Why Presidential Approval Exists

01:43:45 How Offsets Get Requested

01:47:59 Where FAOs Fit Today

01:52:50 Offsets and China Competition

01:57:18 Pitfalls and Red Lines

02:04:52 Book Origins and Case Studies

02:09:34 Where to Find the Book

02:11:05 Closing Thanks and Wrap

This is the Man who Would be Khan.

While a first-year Russian student at West Point, then Major Mark Derber dropped an article from The Atlantic on my desk, Robert D. Kaplan's "The Man Who Would Be Khan". It changed my life. 20 years later, you get to hear my interview with the Man himself.

COL (R) Tom Wilhelm shares his path from West Point (commissioned infantry in 1980) through a dual-track infantry/aviation start, declining the new Aviation Branch, and entering the FAO program in the mid-1980s as a Soviet/Russian FAO. Wilhelm recounts an extensive Cold War-era pipeline (FAO course, DLI Russian—joined fully by his wife—graduate school, a summer in Leningrad, and the US Army Russian Institute/Marshall Center), then FAO work with OSIA conducting arms-control inspections (Vienna Document, INF, CFE) and the Provide Hope humanitarian mission in Tajikistan amid civil war. He describes a “knife fight” to regain infantry key jobs during post–Cold War drawdowns, deployments in Macedonia and Bosnia, being imbedded with a Russian airborne brigade, a later Tajikistan attaché tour with family hardships and evacuation, Marshall Center faculty/FAO mentorship, Mongolia as dual-hatted defense attaché/security cooperation chief, an Afghanistan/Pakistan tour, retirement, and directing the Foreign Military Studies Office. He emphasizes FAO risk-taking, networking, access, and conveying what partners think, not what Americans want to hear.

To read the original Robert D. Kaplan article you can find it on The Atlantic's website. If you don't have a subscription, the WayBack Machine is your friend: https://web.archive.org/web/20121020120633/https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/03/the-man-who-would-be-khan/302899/

COL(R) Tom Wilhelm’s Recommended Reading List:

GENERAL

FMSO https://oe.t2com.army.mil Look for FMSO stuff but many products from T2Com G2 are useful for FAOs.

Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training https://adst.org Exceptional repository of detailed interviews that provide unparalleled country and regional backgrounds over eras.

Red Team Handbook https://home.army.mil/wood/application/files/6115/8222/0759/RedTeamHB.pdf There are actually ways to approach alternative, critical thinking—very helpful to cross-cultural communication and telling us how “they” think.

Culture Shock: Leadership Lessons from the Military’s Diplomatic Corps (ed. Graham Plaster, Jason Criss Howk—Book by FAOs for FAOs)

The Worldly Philosophers (Robert Heilbroner; entry level book into developing an understanding of economics and society—a baseline subject for all FAOs. Try also The Mystery of Capitalism by Hernando deSoto)

The Cave and the Light: Plato Versus Aristotle, and the Struggle for the Soul of Western Civilization (Arthur Herman—before you can tell us what we think they think, you should probably want to know how “we think.”)

RUSSIA

The Russian Way of War (Les Grau and Charles Bartles—on FMSO website [above] or just Google it.)

How Russia Fights https://www.army.mil/article/286922/how_russia_fights (Ted Donnelly, Jeff Hartman, Tom Butler, et.al.)

Swimming the Volga: A US Army Officer’s Experiences in Pre-Putin Russia (Peter Zwack)

The Leviathan (Movie; award winning Russian film has good representation of the individual’s relationship to power in Russia, among other cultural and political-social insights. Made me feel that I was back in Russia, drinking vodka and shooting bottles with an AK47.)

The Trauma Zone (Seven-part series on YouTube; for a sense of post-Cold War chaos in Russia. “Chaos” conjures something tangible in Russia; it’s not just an adjective.)

Seventeen Moments of Spring (12-part series on YouTube; addresses the question: Why a 2025 statue to this 1973 Soviet spy thriller television series was recently installed in Moscow. Part of the answer has to do with those untrustworthy Americans in secret alliance with Nazis against Russia—a once and current theme.)

WHILE YOU LAYOVER AT THE SERRAI

The Empire of the Steppes (Renee Grousset—dense but essential for anybody that thinks they are a Eurasianist, and mandatory for all Silk Road FAOs.)

Mission to Tashkent (F.M. Bailey)

News From Tartary (Peter Flemming)

Eastern Approaches (Fitzroy Maclean)

The Great Game (Peter Hopkirk)

Some Far and Distant Place (Jonathan Addleton)

Across Mongolian Plains (Roy Chapman Andrews—American FAO archetype, 1916-17)

The Wilder Shores of Love (Lesley Blanch—Isabel Burton, Jane Digby, Amiee Dubucq, and Isabelle Eberhrdt join my long-suffering bride, Cheri, in FAO-like misadventures abroad)

00:00 Meet Tom Wilhelm

01:28 The Man Who Would Be Khan

02:24 West Point to Dual Track

07:11 Choosing the FAO Path

11:05 Soviet FAO Pipeline

14:01 Leningrad Language Adventure

19:12 Russian Institute and IRTs

23:33 Wall Comes Down Up Close

27:02 Echo Network and Mentorship

31:04 First FAO Job Arms Control

35:32 Provide Hope in Tajikistan

40:31 Back to Infantry in Europe

42:39 RIF Era Career Knife Fight

44:36 FAO Cuts and Reassignments

45:54 Branch Qualifying Knife Fight

46:08 Macedonia to Bosnia Pivot

48:42 Self Deploying to Bosnia

50:27 Joint Commission in War Zone

53:03 Inside the Russian Brigade

55:11 How Russians Command

58:48 FAO Lesson on Mission Command

01:06:51 Tajikistan Arrival and Isolation

01:09:17 Embassy Life and Local Allies

01:13:29 Surviving Dushanbe Living Conditions

01:18:15 Civil War and Afghan Spillover

01:23:55 Family Evacuation and Zinni Meeting

01:28:28 Soft Power And Access

01:28:51 Peacekeeping Expertise Built

01:31:20 FAO Track And Command List

01:34:19 Marshall Center Fellowship

01:37:03 Mongolia Dual Hat Role

01:44:32 9/11 And Mongolia Pivot

01:46:33 Building Mongolian Peacekeeping

01:55:10 Mongolian Curse Artifact

02:01:27 Back To Marshall Center

02:04:43 Afghanistan To Pakistan Liaison

02:07:23 Retirement And FIMSO

02:09:16 Hall Of Fame And Farewell

Join me for a conversation with LTC(R) Scott Womack, a US Army Foreign Area Officer (FAO) with extensive experience in Africa. We discuss Scott's journey from West Point cadet to FAO, his assignments in Chad, Senegal, and Congo, and his experience in dealing with complex security and diplomatic challenges. Scott shares insights on balancing family life, the importance of language and cultural skills, and how he transitioned to teaching and running a farm post-retirement.

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:42 Meet Scott Womack: From West Point to FAO

01:28 Academic Pursuits and Research at West Point

02:58 Intercultural Competence and Cadet Experiences

05:01 Real-World Applications and Ethical Dilemmas

08:42 Semester Abroad Programs and Cultural Immersion

10:59 West Point Assignments and Africa Studies

12:51 The Importance of Language and Cultural Training

20:54 Evacuation Operations in Central Africa

38:47 Introduction to Ucomm and African Desk Officers

39:11 Challenges and Opportunities in African Assignments

39:33 Developing Skills and Understanding in Security Assistance

42:13 Transition to Learning French and First Assignment in Chad

42:30 Origin Story and Early Career Influences

45:32 Civil Affairs and the Path to FAO

46:57 Experiences in Rwanda and the Importance of Preparation

48:54 Navigating Assignments and Promotions

58:56 Building Relationships and Overcoming Challenges in Chad

01:04:29 Transition to Senegal and Family Adjustments

01:15:00 Unexpected Transfer to Kinshasa

01:15:23 Challenges of Working in Kinshasa

01:17:12 Navigating International Interests and Security

01:18:47 UN Peacekeeping Efforts and Structural Flaws

01:27:29 Personal Reflections and Coping Mechanisms

01:28:49 Comparing Experiences in Chad and Kinshasa

01:37:05 Final Reflections and Career Transition

01:40:13 Life After Military Service

01:47:38 Closing Thoughts and Advice

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast five former Army FAO branch chiefs join me for an in-depth discussion on a range of topics critical to Foreign Area Officers (FAOs). The panel includes Eldridge “Raj” Singleton, Steve Browne, Luke Donahue, Wes Chaney, and Pete Roongsang. They delve into the FAO training pipeline, in-region training, common mistakes made by new FAOs, and provide practical advice for career management and PCS assignments. The conversation highlights the role of the FAO branch chief, the importance of understanding military assignments, and the critical aspects of mentorship within the FAO community. The episode wraps up with personal anecdotes and practical advice aimed at helping FAOs navigate their careers successfully, emphasizing the need for proactive career management, understanding the complexities of diplomacy, personal relationships, and the value of mentorship.

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:41 Meet the Host and Guests

01:26 Colonel Singleton's Journey

02:34 Colonel Brown's Experience

03:46 Colonel Donahue's Career Path

05:51 Lieutenant Colonel Cheney's Background

07:02 Colonel Ang's Story

09:37 Discussion on FAO Training Pipeline

10:52 Challenges and Solutions in FAO Training

24:18 Mistakes and Lessons for New FAOs

40:59 Role of the FAO Branch Chief

48:55 Navigating Authority and Friction in Assignment Processes

49:31 The Role and Challenges of a Branch Chief

50:51 The Importance of Road Showing and FAO Relevancy

54:28 Career Management and Assignment Strategies

01:04:40 Financial and Logistical Challenges in PCS

01:13:22 Integrity and Professionalism in FAO Careers

01:38:06 Falsifying Graduate Degree and Army Dismissal

01:38:25 Inappropriate Behavior at the US Embassy

01:40:23 Assignment Refusal and GI Bill Forfeiture

01:42:09 Misconduct and Consequences in the FAO Community

01:46:22 Challenges and Support for FAOs

01:54:12 Mentorship in the FAO Community

02:16:03 Final Thoughts and Advice for FAOs

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast, host Michael Hill interviews retired Lieutenant Colonel Bill Woods, an Eastern European FAO and current instructor at the Joint Military Attaché School (JMAS). LTC Woods shares his experiences and challenges faced during his career, including the undervaluation of FAOs in the past, his roles in Naples, Cyprus, and London, and the importance of building relationships in diplomatic and military contexts. The discussion also touches on the practical aspects of being an FAO, the impact of critical thinking and current doctrinal knowledge, and the unique experiences and opportunities presented by serving at JMAS. Bill reflects on the importance of having fun in the job and staying engaged in current assignments while planning for future roles.

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer

00:42 Welcome and Guest Introduction

00:59 Early Experiences as a FAO

02:13 Challenging Assignments and Career Growth

04:44 Political Advisor Role in Baghdad

07:47 NATO Advisor Experience

23:22 Greek Language and Cultural Immersion

41:39 Access and Opportunities in Foreign Military Education

43:06 Challenges and Misconceptions in Greek War College

44:19 Thesis Writing and Overcoming Language Barriers

44:58 Navigating Cultural and Academic Expectations

45:33 Ethical Dilemmas and Academic Integrity

46:31 Building Relationships and Gaining Respect

47:25 Experiences and Reflections on Military Assignments

49:45 The Importance of Fitting In and Building Trust

51:29 Protocol and Respect in International Military Relations

54:33 Career Path and Assignments in Military Diplomacy

55:59 Navigating the Attache Service and Career Challenges

57:54 The Role of FAOs in Multinational Operations

01:00:25 Balancing Operational Knowledge and Diplomatic Skills

01:07:31 The Value of War College and Continuous Learning

01:20:02 The Future of FAOs in a Changing Military Landscape

01:22:39 Experiences and Challenges in Cyprus

01:27:11 Minister's Support and Explosive Seizure

01:28:06 Meeting the Minister of Defense

01:28:59 The Explosion and Its Aftermath

01:30:14 Improving Relationships Post-Explosion

01:33:44 Challenges and Strategies in Diplomatic Relations

01:42:24 Reflections on Career and FAO Experiences

01:53:13 Working at the Joint Military Attaché School (JMAS)

01:58:28 Advice for Future FAOs and Instructors

02:08:22 Final Thoughts and Farewell

In this episode I’m happy to welcome back LTC(P) Wes Chaney, US Army AFRICOM FAO. Wes shares his journey in establishing the Army Foreign Area Officer Association and discusses his first book, which delves into his experiences as a security cooperation officer in Africa. The conversation covers a variety of topics including the creation of his Africa OSC blog, the unique challenges faced by FAOs, the importance of mentorship, and the activities of the Army FAO Association. Wes also provides invaluable advice on managing expectations, senior leader engagements, and the specific 'shoulds' (don’t be that guy!)and 'traps' FAOs should be aware of. The episode is a goldmine of information for both current and aspiring FAOs, offering practical tips and reflective anecdotes from Wes's extensive career.

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:40 Welcoming the Guest: Lt. Col. Wes Cheney

01:13 The Birth of the Africa OSC Blog

04:12 Challenges and Realizations in Blogging

06:53 From Blog to Book: The Journey

07:31 Publishing Hurdles and Success

08:59 Content and Structure of the Book

10:38 Practical Advice for Security Cooperation Officers

14:54 The Importance of Adaptability and Learning

15:42 Travel Tips and Cultural Insights

40:21 The Should List: Dos and Don'ts for SCOs

47:36 Understanding Your Role and Building Consensus

48:36 Common Pitfalls in Security Cooperation

49:50 The African Love Traps and Other Hazards

50:48 Misuse of Government Resources

51:12 Managing Health and Stress

01:06:00 The Importance of Senior Leader Engagements

01:16:22 Managing Expectations and Avoiding False Promises

01:22:43 The Army FAO Association: Achievements and Future Plans

01:28:31 The Importance of Mentorship in FAO Careers

Meet MAJ(P) Promotable Jacob Myers, currently serving at the Military Advising Training Academy (MATA) at Fort Benning, Georgia. Our discussion covers the purpose and function of MATA, the development and training of military advisors, and the history and evolution of Security Force Assistance Brigades (SFABs). Myers elaborates on his experience in Latvia, the challenges of building rapport and training in a foreign country, and the rapidly changing dynamics in Eastern Europe following Russia's invasion of Ukraine. We also touch on FAO professional development, the importance of language skills, and the valuable interactions and learning opportunities throughout a FAO’s career.

Books Discussed:

• Between Two Giants, Brit Batar
• The Russians, Hedrick Smith
• Kiril Yaskov, The Last Ring Bearer

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:45 Meet Major Promotable Jacob Myers

01:11 Understanding the Military Advising Training Academy (MATA)

02:29 History and Evolution of Security Force Assistance Brigades (SFABs)

06:53 Training and Deployment of Military Advisors

10:22 Challenges and Realities of Military Advising

14:05 Combat Advisor Training Course (CATC) Overview

19:14 Practical Training and Exercises

28:50 Expanding Training to Joint Forces and Foreign Partners

35:25 The Role of FAOs in SFABs

39:52 Personal Experience and Future Aspirations

43:51 Understanding the FAO Roles and Responsibilities

46:02 Navigating Challenges in Latvia During COVID-19

47:20 Impact of Russia's Invasion of Ukraine on Latvia

51:02 Strengthening US-Latvia Defense Relations

01:10:07 Language and Cultural Dynamics in Latvia

01:20:21 Jacob's Journey: From Basic Training to FAO Program

01:21:35 Joining the National Guard and Pursuing Active Duty

01:21:58 Transition to Active Duty and Deployment to Afghanistan

01:23:02 Experiences in Afghanistan and Promotion to Captain

01:25:20 Pentagon Assignment and Introduction to FAO

01:26:14 Discovering the FAO Program and Early Influences

01:29:58 Training and Assignments as a FAO

01:30:42 Language Training and Family Experiences

01:32:27 Marshall Center and Regional Travels

01:42:35 Importance of Building Relationships and Staying Informed

01:47:49 Final Thoughts and Advice for FAOs

What crisis was central to your experience working at a U.S. embassy abroad, for better or worse?

Join me in a discussion with COL(R) JP Gresh to discuss his experiences in Russia, Ukraine, and the Balkans. The conversation highlights key moments such as the 2013-2014 Ukraine crisis, the challenges of security cooperation in Estonia, and the complexities of working in Russia. Additionally, Gresh shares insights into balancing professional and personal life with a spouse in the Department of State, and offers advice for future FAOs on training, career growth, and the importance of adaptability and maintaining strong interagency relationships. COL(R) Grech also serves as the Co-Editor-in-Chief of the FAOA Journal.

Books/Organizations Discussed

• Black Swan, Nassim Nicholas Taleb
• All the Kremlin’s Men, Mikhail Zygar
• Between Two Fires, Joshua Yaffa
• Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible, Peter Pomerantsev
• FPRI (Foreign Policy Research Institute), www.fpri.org
• FAOA Journal, www.faoajournal.substack.com

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:46 Meet Colonel JP Gresh

01:33 Early Military Career

02:51 Discovering the FAO Path

03:51 Experiences in Germany and the Balkans

05:52 Reflections on Iraq

10:37 Ukraine: First FAO Utilization Tour

13:47 The 2014 Ukrainian Crisis

15:57 US-Ukraine Military Relations

19:52 Strategic Insights on Russia and NATO

29:44 Lessons from UCOM and Security Cooperation

50:54 Balancing Dual Careers in the FAO World

54:14 Reflecting on Professional Challenges and Lessons Learned

56:44 Navigating a Tandem Career in the Department of State

57:19 Insights on Managing Dual Professional Careers

59:33 Experiences and Challenges in Russia

01:01:10 The Complex Relationship Between the U.S. and Russia

01:05:48 Living and Working in Moscow

01:08:54 Surveillance and Daily Life in Moscow

01:12:46 Diplomatic Restrictions and Challenges

01:18:27 Family Life and Safety in Russia

01:23:33 Post-Retirement and Contributions to the FAO Community

01:28:28 Reflections on FAO Training and Career

01:44:22 Final Thoughts and Parting Advice

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast, I interview Julie Tully and her husband U.S. Navy CAPT(R) John Tulley. We discuss Julie's transition from a cowgirl in Northern California to a 'nomadic Navy spouse' and the dynamic journey from her career in agriculture to becoming a Foreign Area Officer (FAO) spouse, living and working in Europe and Africa for fifteen consecutive years. The conversation delves into the couple’s experiences living in Cameroon, Nigeria, and Djibouti and the impact of their roles there. They touch on memorable challenges, the importance of self-reliance, and the significant contributions spouses make to the FAO mission. Julie also shares the inspiration and stories behind her book, 'Dispatches from the Cowgirl,' offering a deeper look into the FAO lifestyle and its challenges and rewards.

Learn More about Julie’s work at www.JulieTullyWriter.com

Books Discussed:

• Dispatches of a Cowgirl, by Julie Tully
• Broadway in Benghazi, by Anna Linvill
• Out of Africa, by Isak Dinesen (Karen Blixen)

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:45 Meet the Guests: John and Julie Tulley

01:19 Julie's Journey: From Cowgirl to Navy Spouse

03:37 Life on the Ranch and Transition to FAO

04:55 The FAO Lifestyle: Challenges and Adaptations

14:11 John's Naval Academy and Submarine Experience

19:16 Discovering the FAO Career Path

22:07 Julie's Perspective: Public Relations and FAO Life

25:46 Adventures and Challenges in Africa

34:16 The Importance of Teamwork in FAO Assignments

43:10 A Hospital Emergency Room in Nigeria

57:04 The Commissary Conundrum

59:10 Internet Surprises in Nigeria

59:47 Defining Home Across Continents

01:09:18 Experiencing Local Cultures Through Staff

01:34:19 Honoring a Fallen Hero in Djibouti

01:49:14 Reflections on the FAO Life

Join me for an illuminating discussion with Colonel Matt Kopp, a U.S. Army FAO. We explore Colonel Kopp's beginning as a 48B, focusing on pivotal partnerships in Latin America, particularly during the final phases of Colombia’s Civil War. Colonel Kopp shares insights into his transition to a 48J, concentrating on Sub-Saharan Africa, and the critical need to understand and respond to the human and institutional complexities in these regions. The conversation includes discussions on his operational challenges, such as managing high-profile visits and interagency coordination, and the role of psychology and sociology in his duties. We also touch upon his work with the Army Foreign Area Officer Association, focusing on mentorship, fostering academic discourse, and preparing FAOs for influential second careers.

Books Discussed

• Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman https://a.co/d/fNUHTUn
• Neither Devil Nor Child: How Western Attitudes Are Harming Africa, by Tom Young https://a.co/d/9yv70Z8
• On the Psychology of Military Incompetence, by Norman F. Dixon https://a.co/d/4nkJNIt

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:42 Meet Colonel Matt Kopp

01:01 Career Choices and Transitions

02:22 Experiences in Sub-Saharan Africa

03:39 Challenges and Responsibilities at HRC

08:23 PhD Journey and Research

15:36 Transition to Africa FAO

23:02 Building Relationships and Team Dynamics

31:07 Insights on Leadership and Collaboration

43:46 Psychological Factors and Broader Perspectives

48:18 Understanding Heuristics in International Relations

50:28 Managing High Operational Tempo in Kenya

51:00 Military Operations and Planning in Diplomatic Missions

56:26 Lessons from Secret Service and VIP Visits

01:04:04 Transition to Army Service Component Commands

01:13:01 Experiences in Latin America and SOUTHCOM

01:26:32 The Role of the Army Foreign Area Officer Association

01:33:31 Final Thoughts and Recommendations

This episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast delves into the unique background of LTC Lemar Farhad, USA, tracing his journey from a culturally diverse upbringing and Afghan heritage to his pivotal role in the U.S. Army. Lemar shares his transition into the FAO program, starting with his early assignments as an infantry and intelligence officer and detailing his first exposure to U.S. embassies and defense cooperation. Through captivating anecdotes, he highlights his significant assignments, including his work in Special Operations Command Europe, his impactful tenure as the ODC Chief in Kuala Lumpur, and his current role in Korea focusing on non-combatant evacuation operations (NEO). The conversation also explores challenges in leadership, the importance of understanding cultural contexts, and the value of reading to gain diverse perspectives. Lemar's journey exemplifies the integration of strategic thinking and operational expertise, emphasizing the art of diplomacy and the FAO community's crucial role in global defense and cooperation.

Articles:

Reimagining Policing in America—A Complete Institutional Overhaul by LTC Lemar Farhad

Books Discussed:

2034 by Elliot Ackerman and Admiral (Ret.) James Stavridis USN

2054 by Elliot Ackerman and Admiral (Ret.) James Stavridis USN

Ghost fleet by P.W. Singer

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer

00:46 Meet the Guest: Lemar Farhad

01:04 Transition to FAO: From Field to Strategy

02:04 First Impressions of FAOs

03:33 The Path to Monterey

04:36 Language Training at DLI

12:12 Unexpected Assignment: Malaysia

13:34 Experiences at the Malaysian Staff College

14:35 Return to the U.S. and Grad School

19:33 First Assignment at CENTCOM

21:20 Challenges and Lessons at CENTCOM

26:21 Mentorship and Professional Development

34:16 Transition to J2 at CENTCOM

36:34 Introduction to Central Asia Desk

37:05 Building Relationships in Central Asia

38:03 Challenges of Language and Culture

39:16 Innovative Security Cooperation Programs

41:21 Impact of COVID-19 on Operations

42:39 Personal Heritage and Career Impact

44:00 Father's Academic Journey

46:40 Early Life and Cultural Identity

47:51 Deployment to Afghanistan Post-9/11

48:53 Unique Assignment with Special Forces

01:05:37 Transition to MI and Multiple Deployments

01:07:52 Reconnecting with the Intelligence Community

01:08:37 Special Operations Command in Europe

01:09:08 First Country Team Assignment in Malaysia

01:11:20 Challenges with a Difficult Deputy

01:14:22 Leadership and Team Dynamics

01:20:50 Current Role in Korea: NEO Operations

01:39:48 The Importance of Reading and Fiction

01:45:28 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Join me for a conversation with USAF Col. (Ret.) Matt Yocum as we delve into his unique career trajectory, starting from his non-standard background in the Air Force's acquisition and engineering fields. Matt discusses his pivotal assignments, including his time in Israel as part of the Engineer and Scientist Exchange Program and later as an Air Force attaché, where he navigated through significant events like the Second Lebanon War. This episode also explores his role as a Commander's Action Group (CAG) director at CENTCOM, where he was instrumental in providing detailed and narratively rich reports on international engagements. Matt reflects on the importance of storytelling in military communication and its impact on effective diplomacy. The talk also covers his post-military career as a writer of comic books and graphic novels, highlighting his passion for the art form and his current projects, including a biographical graphic novel on a notable Pakistani figure. Throughout the episode, Matt emphasizes the significance of relationship-building, effective communication, and relentless helpfulness in both military and personal endeavors.

Links:

www.Hangar19Consulting.com

www.MattYocum.com

Closet World Kickstarter

Books:

The Twilight War by David Crist

Brief by Joe McCormick

Lawrence in Arabia by Scott Anderson

The New Map by Daniel Jurgen

Power Broker by Robert Caro

The Years of Lyndon Johnson by Robert Caro

The Vision by King, Waltaand Bellaire

Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow by King, Evely and Lopes

Pluto: Urusawa x Tekuza by Nagasaki and Urasawa

Bone by Jeff Smith

Time Stamps:

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimers

00:46 Meet Colonel Matt Yocum

01:15 Colonel Yocum’s Air Force Journey

01:59 The Engineer and Scientist Exchange Program (ESEP)

02:44 Life and Work in Israel

04:42 Challenges and Experiences in Israel

09:01 Language Learning and Cultural Insights

34:58 The Second Lebanon War

39:35 Observations and Responsibilities as an Attache

45:31 Career Transitions and Future Plans

50:37 Arrival in Amman, Jordan

50:46 The New Normal: ISIS Crisis

51:44 Embassy Life and Community

54:02 Building Relationships and Cooperation

55:19 Information Sharing and Collaboration

01:03:34 Training and Equipping the Jordanian Air Force

01:18:44 Commander's Action Group (CAG) Experience

01:37:51 Decision to Stay in CAG

01:39:06 Balancing Family and Duty

01:40:43 Returning to JSO and Preparing for Retirement

01:42:14 Final Assignment and Retirement Ceremony

01:45:37 Reflecting on a Military Career

01:47:30 Challenges and Triumphs in Promotions

01:55:37 Post-Military Career in Comics

02:02:18 The Art of Storytelling in Communication

02:14:07 Recommended Reads and Final Thoughts

Join me for an interview with U.S. Army Colonel Nate Finney, an Army Strategist (FA59), discussing the roles and training of FA59 strategists, their relationship with FAOs, and the importance of building interdisciplinary teams. Finney shares insights from his career, including positions at HQDA, USARPAC, and Indo-Pacific Command, highlighting the need for strategists and FAOs to collaborate effectively. The conversation also explores Finney's involvement in founding writing and strategy-oriented organizations like the Strategy Bridge and the Military Writers Guild, emphasizing writing as a critical tool for professional development. The episode concludes with a discussion on recent changes in U.S.-China relations, China's military modernization, and the strategic challenges faced by the U.S. in the Indo-Pacific region.

Join me for a conversation with Colonel Christian Werner, who currently serves at the U.S. Army War College. COL Werner shares his origin story of joining the Army influenced by his family's military background, his transition from Armor to FAO, and his extensive career path through various European assignments. He highlights his experiences in command and staff roles, the importance of language skills, and his impactful stint in Somalia as SDO/DATT. Werner also discusses his personal challenges, concepts like moral injury, and the importance of behavioral health. He explains the role and operations of the U.S. Military Observer Group and shares insights into SSC opportunities, language sustainment, and the rigorous BCAP/CCAP screening processes for command roles.

USCG Captain Aaron Delano Johnson is the U.S. Coast Guard Liaison Officer (CGLO) to the U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) in Doral, Florida. IN this interview CAPT DJ provides detailed insights into his career, spanning multiple international deployments and engagement with various partner nations. He discusses the diverse roles and missions of the Coast Guard, including maritime law enforcement, search and rescue, drug interdiction, and international cooperation, particularly in the Caribbean and Latin America. Johnson highlights the specific challenges and interactions the Coast Guard faces in countries like Colombia, the Dominican Republic, and Haiti. He also elaborates on the Coast Guard's involvement in broader security cooperation activities, security training, and humanitarian assistance. Beyond his Coast Guard duties, Johnson serves on the board of the Foreign Area Officer Association, promoting advocacy, professional development, and networking among FAOs across different services. The episode provides a comprehensive look at the strategic importance of the Coast Guard's international role and the value of strong inter-agency and international relationships.

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast, we hear from U.S. Army COL(R) Rick Cassidy. Cassidy shares a detailed account of his military career, beginning with his involvement in the ROTC program at the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee, and subsequent commissioning as an infantry officer in 1969. His military journey included assignments in Germany and a combat tour in Vietnam. Cassidy transitioned into the Foreign Area Officer (FAO) program in 1975, where ultimately focused on Japan. His language training included a year at DLI and the Foreign Service Institute in Yokohama, Japan. Cassidy recounts his experiences managing significant bilateral relations and intelligence collection, notably as an attache in Japan and Thailand. He closes with his post-retirement career as a defense consultant, sharing insights into the business practices and challenges in international military sales.

This conversation with COL (R) Denny Lane covers his unexpected path to becoming a FAO, his initial appointment as a Southeast Asian desk officer at the Pentagon, and his subsequent assignments in critical geopolitical regions including Thailand, Vietnam, and Cambodia during tumultuous times. Lane details his work on the Yellow Rain investigations, his advisory roles in the Thai and Cambodian armies, and his linguistic prowess in French, Chinese, and Thai. The dialogue also covers his later roles in Hong Kong, Beijing, and with the United Nations Border Relief Operation (UNBRO) in Thailand, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge.

When I started this project, LTG(R) Charles Hooper at the top of my list of FAOs I wanted to interview. Our discussion begins with a tribute to the late Colonel Sue Ann Sandusky, detailing her pioneering career in the FAO community and her impactful service in Sub-Saharan Africa. General Hooper reflects on his personal and professional relationship with Sandusky, highlighting her fearlessness and groundbreaking achievements. The conversation then delves into Hooper’s own FAO journey, describing the development and evolution of his career, including the challenges and triumphs of being dual-tracked in the early years of the program. We touch on the historical context of U.S.-China military relations, the importance of understanding China’s strategic culture, and General Hooper’s advocacy for cross-fertilization and single-tracking in FAO careers. The episode also features discussions on the value of Pentagon assignments, strategies for effective leadership and management as a FAO, and the need for FAOs to engage in writing and contributing to the discourse on international affairs.

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer Podcast Lt Col (R) Duilia Mora Turner, the first Air Force FAO on the show, shares insights into her post-retirement work at Florida International University, where she is pursuing a Ph.D. focusing on women's leadership in Latin American militaries. The conversation delves deeply into the Women, Peace, and Security (WPS) program, covering its origins, implementation, and global impact. Dui recounts her experiences developing the WPS program at SOUTHCOM, emphasizing the importance of including women's perspectives in security and defense strategies. She also discusses her background, from growing up in Brazil to her career in the U.S. Air Force, and her transition to academia. This episode sheds light on the vital role of women in peace and security initiatives and highlights Dewey's contributions to this field.

U.S. Army Colonel Jonathan Dunn and his wife, Margy delve into Colonel Dunn's career journey from military upbringing to teaching at West Point and becoming an FAO. Margy shares her experiences balancing family life with the demands and challenges of military service, particularly as a mother of EFMP (Exceptional Family Member Program) children. The discussion covers topics such as the intricacies of the FAO training pipeline, the challenges of unaccompanied tours, and the importance of mentorship. The episode also explores the financial logistics for EFMP families, their experiences traveling with children, and the essential role of communication and support systems in making it all work.

This episode features an in-depth interview with MG(R) Jack Leide, one of the U.S. Army's most senior Foreign Area Officers (FAOs). The conversation delves into MG Jack Leide’s extensive and multifaceted military career, including his early involvement in the Foreign Area Specialty Training (FAST) program, his work at NSA and DIA, and multiple combat deployments. MG Jack Leide discusses his specialty in China, linguistic training, and deployments, including his experience in the Dominican Republic during Operation Power Pack, multiple combat deployments to Vietnam, and his impactful role during the Tiananmen Square incident. He highlights the evolution of U.S.-China relations and offers insights into the importance of predictive analysis, language, area studies, and professional courage in military intelligence. We also cover his time as the J2 during Desert Storm and the publication of his book, "Professional Courage: My Journey in Military Intelligence Through Peace, Crisis, and War", providing a repository of lessons learned for FAOs and military leaders. You can purchase the book here: https://a.co/d/1tfl679

LCDR Alec Emmert, US Navy Reserve FAO recounts his upbringing in Rio de Janeiro, his military career from being a submariner to serving in Bahrain and Italy, and his subsequent transition to the private sector with firms like Booz Allen Hamilton and McKinsey. He elaborates on his discovery of the Reserve FAO career path, the requisite qualifications, and the significance of language skills and regional expertise. He is also the CEO of Service to School, aiding veterans in transitioning to college. Join us as we discuss the importance of continuous learning, adaptability, and leveraging networks for growth within the FAO community.

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer we delve into the critical role of Foreign Area Officers (FAOs) with COL(R) Mike Burgoyne and LTC(R) Jim Marckwardt. Mike and Jim discuss their recent article ‘Five Foreign Area Officer Truths,’ published in Joint Forces Quarterly. Below are the 5 Truths, listen in to hear more.

1.⁠ ⁠FAOs Are Most Effective in the Gray Zone Between Peace and War

2.⁠ ⁠Networks Cannot Be Built After a Crisis Begins

3.⁠ ⁠FAOs Are Regional Experts, Not Generalists

4.⁠ ⁠Language and Culture Provide FAOs’ Unique Access

5. FAOs Are Raised by their Services but Operate in Joint and Interagency World

Major Mike White, Persian instructor at West Point, shares his journey with the U.S. Army, starting from his enlistment in 2002 to becoming a Foreign Area Officer (FAO). Major White elaborates on his experiences learning Dari at the Defense Language Institute, the significance of cultural immersion, and his deployments in Afghanistan and Nepal, where he navigated complex relationships and critical missions. He also underscores the value of writing skills, adaptability, and family resilience. The narrative highlights the power of networking within the FAO community, recounting personal anecdotes on how these connections have supported successful operations, including during the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. Major White reflects on his storied career and future plans to continue contributing to the community, leveraging his language skills and cultural expertise.

In this episode of The Foreign Area Officer Podcast, Brigadier General Brad Nicholson from the U.S. Army Security Assistance Command, Redstone Arsenal, Alabama provides in-depth insights into the challenges and rewards of serving as a FAO, discusses the importance of mentorship, and offers guidance on navigating assignments, including dealing with the Exceptional Family Member Program (EFMP) challenges. The conversation also explores the evolving role of FAOs in global security contexts and the exciting future ahead for the FAO community.

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer podcast, I sit down with LTC(P) David Bradley, former Chinese instructor at the United States Military Academy, to explore the intricate dynamics of China's relationships and ambitions. We delve into the one China policy, the complex history and current situations in Hong Kong and Taiwan, and the broader security environment in Eastern Asia. Gain insights into U.S. foreign policy, military strategy, and the crucial role of foreign area officers in navigating the challenging geopolitical landscape posed by China’s actions and strategies. This episode provides valuable insights for comprehending global diplomatic and economic interactions involving China.

Currently serving as the HQDA LNO to the French Army, LTC William Hogan, shares his unique experiences in language learning, IRT in Brazil, the interagency dynamics from Afghanistan to Haiti, and the political challenges as Army Attaché in Mexico and Nicaragua. Hogan reflects on his father's history in WWII as America's youngest tank battalion commander and the importance of preserving military records, which he captures in his recent book Task Force Hogan: The World War II Tank Battalion That Spearheaded the Liberation of Europe.The discussion highlights the complexities and adaptability required in various international assignments, cultural sensitivity, and the importance of interdepartmental and multinational cooperation.

Is your FAO family prepared to evacuate?

In this episode of the Foreign Area Officer podcast, @Anna and COL(R) @Brian Linville, reflect on their extensive experiences and challenges as a FAO family in Libya during the Arab Spring. Brian details his military background and transition to FAO while Anna shares her journey from U.S. Air Force linguist to musician and FAO spouse, culminating in the publication of her book “Broadway in Benghazi.” They discuss relationship-building, the importance of cultural immersion, and evacuation during the Libyan Revolution. The episode also touches on the loss of Ambassador Chris Stevens and the importance of FAOs documenting their experiences for posterity and the community.

Broadway in Benghazi details Anna’s personal and family life as an Airwoman, Musician, and FAO spouse. It is an incredibly candid and personal account of life Anna’s and family leading up to the Arab Spring in Libya. It is available in hardback, paperback and digital. To purchase a copy, visit www.annalinvill.com or https://www.amazon.com/Broadway-Benghazi-Tragedy-Diplomatic-Gaddafis/dp/B0CTBH53RR/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1S24U1CLV64GE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kpmpGxd8EjeIlmUWKtnw6G6i4mstig2eNh10JDf5A_fGjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.LjtjCyBpLhUy71VsZd6cK4DK-RhIXM9yvdf9E4qmT5I&dib_tag=se&keywords=broadway+in+benghazi&qid=1718324826&sprefix=broadway+in+ben%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1

00:00 Introduction and Disclaimer

00:42 Meet Anna and Brian Linville

01:04 Brian's Journey to Becoming a FAO

07:12 Anna's Unique Path to the Military

09:53 The Importance of Language Skills

14:23 The Role of FAO Spouses

16:49 Adventures and Challenges of Military Life

25:50 Anna's Musical Journey

32:32 Building Relationships in Libya

36:49 The Strategic Value of Relationships

46:06 Building Crucial Relationships

47:05 Unexpected Allies in the Revolution

49:00 Theater and Political Satire

51:58 The Revolution's Dark Turn

54:58 A Shift to Peace Activism

01:01:29 Writing 'Broadway in Benghazi'

01:05:37 Diplomatic Life and Personal Stories

01:11:56 Preparing for Libya

01:14:46 A Detainment Story

01:25:30 Post-Detention Reflections

01:26:03 The Importance of JMAS Training

01:27:22 Evacuation from Libya Begins

01:28:43 Tensions and Preparations

01:29:44 The Uprising and Its Impact

01:34:10 Evacuation Attempts and Challenges

01:37:25 Final Departure and Reflections

01:45:15 Tribute to Chris Stevens

01:50:23 Closing Thoughts and Book Promotion