The Great Unlearn
- Episodes
- 208
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- Latest episode
- Jun 16, 2026
About the podcast
We grew up in a world we didn’t create. And one idea after the next—whether it was culture or society—we were told how to look, how to feel, and who to be. We were told that if we checked off the “right” boxes (think: career, car, money), we’d feel good, we’d be whole, and—naturally—we’d be set. But, turns out, there’s more to the story. On The Great Unlearn, Cal dives into unlearning and questioning what the world taught us, and—in the process—how to be the truest version of yourself, minus the bullshit. Whether it’s figuring out how to navigate a relationship, dealing with your emotions, diving into spirituality, or just feeling comfortable in your own skin, Cal and friends navigate the choppy waters of what it really takes to unlearn all the ideas we took for granted, and how to be the best version of what, sometimes, can be so hard to be: yourself.
Episodes 208
207. The Journey Home: Remembering Who We Are Through The Primordial Code with Brian Costello
In this closing episode of The Great Unlearn, Brian Costello, author of The Primordial Code, joins us for an intimate conversation about the dark night of the soul — the place where we meet our deepest truths …
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In this closing episode of The Great Unlearn, Brian Costello, author of The Primordial Code, joins us for an intimate conversation about the dark night of the soul — the place where we meet our deepest truths and remember who we really are beneath the roles, expectations, and conditioning of the world around us. We explore themes from Brian's novel and the journey of awakening it portrays. This episode is a potent reflection on the very heart of The Great Unlearn: finding our way back to ourselves.
Thank you for being here. It's been an honor to share this journey with you, and I'm excited for all that we get to create onward.
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206. The Nature of Authentic Power with Lennie Moreno
Lennie Moreno, founder and designer of Place of Elms, speaks to the importance of exercising our critical thought and trusting our own discernment in a world constantly guiding us toward what to think, consume …
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Lennie Moreno, founder and designer of Place of Elms, speaks to the importance of exercising our critical thought and trusting our own discernment in a world constantly guiding us toward what to think, consume, and believe.
Through Place of Elms, Lennie created an embodied expression of “wearing” his values. As both a creative and a seeker of truth, he built this brand as a daily practice of integrity.
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205. The Life I Built Stopped Making Sense: The Journey Behind My New Book, UNLEARN
UNLEARN isn’t about fixing yourself. It’s about freeing yourself. It’s about meeting your life with honesty and realizing that even in the messy, uncertain, uncomfortable seasons, you may not be broken at all …
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UNLEARN isn’t about fixing yourself. It’s about freeing yourself. It’s about meeting your life with honesty and realizing that even in the messy, uncertain, uncomfortable seasons, you may not be broken at all; you may simply be remembering who you are.
In this conversation, led by my close brother Adam Schell, I share the deeply personal process behind my first book, UNLEARN: Letting Go Of Who You Never Were To Become Everything You Already Are, and the emotional and relational repercussions of placing impossible expectations on myself and chasing external success in order to feel worthy. I share what it looked like to peel back the identities, patterns, and beliefs I didn’t even realize I was carrying — and what happened when the life I had built stopped making sense.
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204. Human Connection and the Modern Loneliness Pandemic with Michael Trainer
Michael Trainer, author of Resonance: The Art and Science of Human Connection, illuminates one of the greatest pandemics of our time: loneliness. Michael shares his deeply healing journey with human connection …
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Michael Trainer, author of Resonance: The Art and Science of Human Connection, illuminates one of the greatest pandemics of our time: loneliness. Michael shares his deeply healing journey with human connection after being jumped by a gang early in life and developing an intense fear of others — a wound that eventually became one of his greatest gifts in learning how to truly relate.
In a world filled with technology and endless approximations of connection, we explore why loneliness is actually intensifying. We unpack the quality of online relationships, the importance of long-term connection, and the growing body of research showing that our happiness is deeply tied to the quality of our closest long-term relationships.
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Resonance: The Art and Science of Human Connection
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203. Behavior Expert Chase Hughes on Materialism, Meaning, and the Stories That Influence Us
Chase Hughes returns for another round, joined by Adam Schell, for a wide-ranging conversation on what “awakening” actually points to. We’ve come to realize that maybe it’s less about feeling better and more …
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Chase Hughes returns for another round, joined by Adam Schell, for a wide-ranging conversation on what “awakening” actually points to. We’ve come to realize that maybe it’s less about feeling better and more about seeing clearly once illusions fall away. We explore how much of our suffering comes from taking too seriously what was meant for play, reflect on parenting in an age of conflicting information, question the idea that the news is more theater than truth, and touch on the edges of human potential that science can’t yet fully explain.
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202. Emotional Mastery: From Understanding to Embodiment with David Sutcliffe
We’ll always have blind spots. We won’t reach some final state of being healed. But we can continue to see more clearly, relate more honestly, open ourselves to new ways of connecting, and live more fully in …
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We’ll always have blind spots. We won’t reach some final state of being healed. But we can continue to see more clearly, relate more honestly, open ourselves to new ways of connecting, and live more fully in our body.
David Sutcliffe, emotional and relational mastery guide, speaks to the idea that transformation isn’t about fixing or arriving, but rather about becoming more fully embodied over time.
At the heart of this episode is an invitation. To simply inhabit your experience more fully and honestly you.
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201. The Coming World Nation with Philosopher Alex Sachon
Alex Sachon is an esoteric philosopher who is deeply attuned to the rhythms shaping geopolitics. In this conversation, we explore the core ideas behind his book The Coming World Nation: Why Global Government is …
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Alex Sachon is an esoteric philosopher who is deeply attuned to the rhythms shaping geopolitics. In this conversation, we explore the core ideas behind his book The Coming World Nation: Why Global Government is Inevitable. We’re living through a period of global transition. As systems shift, so does our understanding of reality itself. From the emergence of UFO phenomena to a broader reorientation toward spiritual law, Alex invites a deeper question: are we being guided out of purely material frameworks and into something far more expansive and supportive?
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200. The Body Knows: Rethinking Viruses and the Body’s Intelligence with Alec Zeck
Alec Zeck, host of The Way Forward, joins for a deep dive exploring the nature of viruses and the body’s innate intelligence to adapt and heal in relation to our state of wellbeing, something that is ultimately …
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Alec Zeck, host of The Way Forward, joins for a deep dive exploring the nature of viruses and the body’s innate intelligence to adapt and heal in relation to our state of wellbeing, something that is ultimately our responsibility and can be deeply empowering. We unpack what it actually means to “catch” a virus in light of current research, and why understanding the body’s self-regulating, self-healing capacity is essential to true vitality.
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199. Hapa Lomi: A 10-Hour Deep Reset with Kyle Coursey and Luke Storey
Hapa Lomi is a high-touch bodywork experience designed by Kyle Coursey to help the body process pain and restore coherence between mind and body. Rooted in the belief that we are the architects of both our …
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Hapa Lomi is a high-touch bodywork experience designed by Kyle Coursey to help the body process pain and restore coherence between mind and body. Rooted in the belief that we are the architects of both our suffering, and our healing, Kyle’s work focuses on feeding integrity over distortion through extended sessions with consistent touch lasting up to 10 hours. In this episode, Luke Storey and I share our personal experiences and transformations from this deeply immersive work.
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198. Listening to Your Inner Rhythm: Staying True in the Noise with Singer-Songwriter Bo Staloch
Bo Staloch is a 20-year-old singer-songwriter exploring the highs and lows of being alive. From failing a songwriting course to seeing that same song reach over 4 million listens, he shares how trusting his …
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Bo Staloch is a 20-year-old singer-songwriter exploring the highs and lows of being alive. From failing a songwriting course to seeing that same song reach over 4 million listens, he shares how trusting his inner pull matters more than external opinion.
In a raw conversation about coming down from touring and success, Bo reflects on the quieter, in-between moments — and how music becomes a way to heal, process emotion, and stay connected to what’s real. By staying true to himself within the industry, he lets the rhythm of real life guide both his art and the work he offers the world.
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Best of 2025: Unlearning Moments (Part 2)
As we step into a new year, I wanted to pause and pay gratitude to the incredible guests who joined me on The Great Unlearn in 2025. Each conversation carried depth from lived experience, from truth-telling and …
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As we step into a new year, I wanted to pause and pay gratitude to the incredible guests who joined me on The Great Unlearn in 2025. Each conversation carried depth from lived experience, from truth-telling and vulnerability to curiosity and courage, each guests showed up fully to share their unlearning moments.
I also want to thank you, our Unlearn community, the ones who return week after week, who sit with these conversations and reflect just as deeply. Thank you for walking this path with me. Excited to see what we create in 2026!
[1:28] 181. One Month Alone in the Dark: A Journey into Presence with Andrew Holecek
[14:04] 184. The Upside Down Paradigm: Turning Science Inside Out with Mark Gober
[27:26] 185. Story as Reality: Reclaiming Your Inner Authority with Filmmaker Ben Stewart
[38:04] 188. The Ammortal Chamber: Science and Spirit of Healing with Co-Founder Brian Le Gette
[51:31] 189. Moving Beyond Your Blocks: Emma Dunwoody on Transformational Human Design
[59:16] 190. HRV: The Key to Slow Aging and Increase Vitality with Salim Najjar
[01:16:21] 193. Awakening to the Dream: Toltec Teachings for Life in Flow with Joel Schafer
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Best of 2025: Unlearning Moments (Part 1)
As we step into a new year, I wanted to pause and pay gratitude to the incredible guests who joined me on The Great Unlearn in 2025. Each conversation carried depth from lived experience, from truth-telling and …
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As we step into a new year, I wanted to pause and pay gratitude to the incredible guests who joined me on The Great Unlearn in 2025. Each conversation carried depth from lived experience, from truth-telling and vulnerability to curiosity and courage, each guests showed up fully to share their unlearning moments.
I also want to thank you, our Unlearn community, the ones who return week after week, who sit with these conversations and reflect just as deeply. Thank you for walking this path with me. Excited to see what we create in 2026!
[1:28] 166. Training for Life with Opscotch Founder & RBC GranFondo Runner Matt Christopherson
[25:12] 169. The 90-Day Alcohol-Free Blueprint: James Swanwick on 15 Years of Clarity & Health
[52:16] 171. Christ Over Doctrine: Alex Wolfe on Reclaiming a Heart-Led Path
[1:07:02] 172. The Midlife Male MAP: Mastering the Middle Years with Greg Scheinman
[1:17:10] 173. Unraveling the Victim, Villain, Hero Loop: Tah and Kole Whitty of The Condor Approach
[1:36:33] 179. 110 Days Through Antarctica: Akshay Nanavati on Fearvana & the Sacred Path of Suffering
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Unlearning the Man I Thought I Was: Cal as Guest on Liquid Life
I recently joined Preston Douglas Boyer on his Liquid Life podcast for a wide-open, deep dive into my experience of waking up to what truly matters in my life. It gave me the chance to share my unfiltered truth …
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I recently joined Preston Douglas Boyer on his Liquid Life podcast for a wide-open, deep dive into my experience of waking up to what truly matters in my life. It gave me the chance to share my unfiltered truth in a big way.
We explore my evolution and lessons as a father, my path through psychedelics, and how all of it weaves together to support a new way of being in the world. So if you’re unlearning the roles you once held and feeling the pull toward a new identity, I hope you’ll listen in.
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197. Brainwashing & Influence: What Breaks the Human Will, What Restores It & The Future of Ethical Persuasion with Chase Hughes and Adam Schell
Chase Hughes has spent decades studying human behavior, influence, profiling, and covert mind-control tactics — working at the intersection of psychology, military intelligence, and persuasion science.We …
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Chase Hughes has spent decades studying human behavior, influence, profiling, and covert mind-control tactics — working at the intersection of psychology, military intelligence, and persuasion science.
We explore what makes someone easy to influence, manipulate, or control, and how can we flip that script. Because the same blueprint used to break down a person’s will can also be used to rebuild sovereignty and create healing instead of harm.
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Unrestricted Warfare: China's Master Plan to Destroy America
Every PSYOP Will Become Obvious
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196. The Body Wants to Heal Itself: Fasting and Self-Experimentation with Mike Cardamone
Mike Cardamone is a former corporate comedic writer who worked with major household brands, known for bringing unconventional thinking into traditional marketing spaces. Ultimately, his misalignment with the …
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Mike Cardamone is a former corporate comedic writer who worked with major household brands, known for bringing unconventional thinking into traditional marketing spaces. Ultimately, his misalignment with the health-propaganda ecosystem and his growing curiosity about alternative healing led him to leave the corporate world in pursuit of deeper truth and personal sovereignty.
In this episode, Mike opens up about his journey of radical self-experimentation and what he’s learned by stepping outside conventional frameworks of health and wellness.
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195. Why Are We Here? A Roundtable on Consciousness, Choice, and The Human Experiment with Alec Zeck, Joel Schafer, and Mark Gober
A roundtable journey into the nature of reality and the purpose of being human. Alec, Joel, Mark and I explore Toltec perspectives on dream-making and choice, the sacred initiation of parenthood, and what it …
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A roundtable journey into the nature of reality and the purpose of being human. Alec, Joel, Mark and I explore Toltec perspectives on dream-making and choice, the sacred initiation of parenthood, and what it truly means to build relationships that are awake.
Join us as we dive into why we attract the experiences we do and how we reclaim our role as conscious creators.
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194. Spiritual Investing with Elizabeth Ralph: Turning Strategy into Energy and Effortless Wealth
Elizabeth Ralph is a high-level wealth strategist and intuitive investor who, after retiring at 39 as a financial executive and energy trader, founded The Spiritual Investor — a platform where entrepreneurs …
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Elizabeth Ralph is a high-level wealth strategist and intuitive investor who, after retiring at 39 as a financial executive and energy trader, founded The Spiritual Investor — a platform where entrepreneurs transform from unsure investors into effortless wealth creators.
Blending grounded financial strategy with energetic mastery, Elizabeth helps people cultivate an empowered relationship with money and understand it as energy in motion.
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193. Awakening to the Dream: Toltec Teachings for Life in Flow with Joel Schafer
Joel Schafer has spent more than thirty years apprenticing with shamanic guides, learning and embodying Toltec-inspired practices that reveal our deeper energetic nature. Today, as a teacher and mentor, Joel …
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Joel Schafer has spent more than thirty years apprenticing with shamanic guides, learning and embodying Toltec-inspired practices that reveal our deeper energetic nature. Today, as a teacher and mentor, Joel shares these tools to help others reconnect with the flow of life and remember the dream we’re all living in.
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192. Quest Nutrition Co-Founder Tom Bilyeu on Living in Growth Mindset and The Only Belief That Matters
Quest Nutrition co-founder Tom Bilyeu shares how changing his internal narrative and living in a growth mindset transformed everything for him. From building and exiting a billion-dollar company to now creating …
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Quest Nutrition co-founder Tom Bilyeu shares how changing his internal narrative and living in a growth mindset transformed everything for him. From building and exiting a billion-dollar company to now creating Impact Theory, he explores the outdated beliefs that keep people stuck and reveals “the only belief that matters.”
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191. The Convergence of Sound and Creativity with Frankko Vivo
Frankko Vivo, sound and visual artist, joins us again to explore what it means to let frequency lead the way in art and in life. This conversation will invite you to surrender control and discover the beauty of …
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Frankko Vivo, sound and visual artist, joins us again to explore what it means to let frequency lead the way in art and in life. This conversation will invite you to surrender control and discover the beauty of living and creating in alignment. For an even richer experience, be sure to check out the YouTube episode, filmed with Frankko’s art as the backdrop.
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190. HRV: The Key to Slow Aging and Increase Vitality with Salim Najjar
Salim Najjar, HRV Expert and Guide, dives into the primary driver of physical aging and disease. We explore why Heart Rate Variability is the compass for our nervous system’s resilience, and Salim shares his …
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Salim Najjar, HRV Expert and Guide, dives into the primary driver of physical aging and disease. We explore why Heart Rate Variability is the compass for our nervous system’s resilience, and Salim shares his go-to practices for restoring regulation and unlocking vitality.
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189. Moving Beyond Your Blocks: Emma Dunwoody on Transformational Human Design
Emma Dunwoody is a Human Design expert and host of the Human Design Podcast. In this conversation, Emma shares her method for how to utilize your unique Human Design and learn how to listen and work with the …
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Emma Dunwoody is a Human Design expert and host of the Human Design Podcast. In this conversation, Emma shares her method for how to utilize your unique Human Design and learn how to listen and work with the most important guidance system in your life—your body.
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188. The Ammortal Chamber: Science and Spirit of Healing with Co-Founder Brian Le Gette
Brian Le Gette, CEO and co-founder of Ammortal, shares the science and spirit behind healing by way of the body’s sense of safety, which is exactly what the Ammortal Chamber initiates. This extraordinary …
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Brian Le Gette, CEO and co-founder of Ammortal, shares the science and spirit behind healing by way of the body’s sense of safety, which is exactly what the Ammortal Chamber initiates. This extraordinary experience allows the nervous system to downshift so the body’s innate healing intelligence can come back online, physically, spiritually, and emotionally.
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187. Elevating Humanity: The Manna Vitality Way with David Reid & Brad McDonnell
Manna Vitality founders David Reid and Brad McDonnell invite us into the hidden intelligence of our individual liquid crystalline matrix, and how we can awaken new levels of vitality. Manna is beyond …
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Manna Vitality founders David Reid and Brad McDonnell invite us into the hidden intelligence of our individual liquid crystalline matrix, and how we can awaken new levels of vitality. Manna is beyond supplementation, it’s a living transmission of gold, shilajit, and light, created to elevate our field and usher in a transcendent way of being human.
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186. Dr. John Lieurance on Medical Freedom & Taking Charge of Our Wellbeing
After an unexpected crisis that led to the amputation of his leg, Dr. John Lieurance saw firsthand how restrictive healthcare protocols block access to holistic interventions, and how even basic patient care is …
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After an unexpected crisis that led to the amputation of his leg, Dr. John Lieurance saw firsthand how restrictive healthcare protocols block access to holistic interventions, and how even basic patient care is often overlooked.
In this conversation, Dr. John shares the emotional challenges of his recovery while exposing the deeper gaps in our medical system. This episode is both a wake-up call and an invitation to reimagine what true wellness could look like, and to reclaim sovereignty over your health.
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185. Story as Reality: Reclaiming Your Inner Authority with Filmmaker Ben Stewart
Filmmaker and myth-weaver Ben Stewart joins us to explore story as an ancient technology that shapes culture, belief, and our sense of reality. We question illusions of power and reclaim the truth that each of …
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Filmmaker and myth-weaver Ben Stewart joins us to explore story as an ancient technology that shapes culture, belief, and our sense of reality. We question illusions of power and reclaim the truth that each of us holds more influence than we’ve been taught, inviting you to trust what your soul is called to and own your right to believe.
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184. The Upside Down Paradigm: Turning Science Inside Out with Mark Gober
Mark Gober, author of the “Upside Down” book series, challenges the shaky foundations of mainstream science, where 96% of the universe is deemed "unknown" and no unifying theory exists. Instead he proposes that …
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Mark Gober, author of the “Upside Down” book series, challenges the shaky foundations of mainstream science, where 96% of the universe is deemed "unknown" and no unifying theory exists. Instead he proposes that consciousness, not matter, is the source of reality.
Through this conversation and his work, he invites us to question everything we’ve been told about existence, the universe, and our place in it by offering a radical reframe that just might change how you see it all.
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183. Living from Bliss Consciousness with Melissa Minnich
Melissa Minnich is a quantum physicist turned spiritual guide whose path was forged through the shadows of abandonment, addiction, homelessness, and loss. It wasn’t until an unexpected awakening into what she …
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Melissa Minnich is a quantum physicist turned spiritual guide whose path was forged through the shadows of abandonment, addiction, homelessness, and loss. It wasn’t until an unexpected awakening into what she now calls Bliss Consciousness that she began to truly reclaim herself.
Bliss Consciousness isn’t a fleeting high. It’s a rooted state of joy and presence that remains, even amid life’s challenges. Melissa helps others remember who they are and return to the aliveness that has always been theirs, regardless of the path that they’ve walked.
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182. The Frequency of Truth: Frankko Vivo on Sound, Art, and Unleashing Creative Power
Sound and visual artist, Frankko Vivo, joins us for his very first podcast conversation. Frankko grew up in Mexico and, at just 19, set out on a seven-year backpacking journey that became a deep dive into his …
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Sound and visual artist, Frankko Vivo, joins us for his very first podcast conversation. Frankko grew up in Mexico and, at just 19, set out on a seven-year backpacking journey that became a deep dive into his creativity and true self. He’s what I’d call a frequency wizard, a multidimensional artist who truly lives his art.
In this conversation, he shares the power of being radically true to who we are and how, when we do that, the right people and opportunities naturally show up. Tune in as he also blesses us with some of his musical medicine.
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181. One Month Alone in the Dark: A Journey into Presence with Andrew Holecek
Andrew Holecek is a meditation teacher and author whose work bridges lucid dreaming, dark retreats, non-dualism, and preparing for death through the lens of Buddhism. A former dentist turned spiritual …
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Andrew Holecek is a meditation teacher and author whose work bridges lucid dreaming, dark retreats, non-dualism, and preparing for death through the lens of Buddhism. A former dentist turned spiritual practitioner, he spent years in monasteries and immersive retreats, including a month in complete darkness. His path is rooted in stripping away distraction to cultivate radical presence.
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