Will Stablecoins Own Machine-To-Machine Payments? Ft. Christian Catalini
Show notes
On Ep. 12 of Agentic Commerce, Cuy Sheffield, Head of Crypto @ Visa, and Bam Azizi, CEO & Founder @ Mesh are joined by Christian Catalini, Founder @ MIT Cryptoeconomics Lab to discuss machine-to-machine payments, why micropayments struggle, AI commoditization and more!
Timestamps:
- 00:00 Introduction
- 03:29 Why agentic commerce became the intersection of AI and crypto
- 06:53 Incumbents vs crypto rails in agentic commerce
- 09:48 Machine-to-machine payments, information markets, and agent liability
- 13:39 Why micropayments struggle and new agent-focused markets may emerge
- 18:51 The intent economy, agent efficiency, trust, and verification
- 20:45 Stablecoins, tokenized deposits, cross-border payments, and treasury operations
- 24:07 Measurable work automation and human verification as the bottleneck
- 27:59 AI commoditization, routing, proprietary data, and sustainable competitive moats
- 33:34 Incumbent data advantages versus startup talent and open weights
- 36:10 How fintech firms can build and control domain-specific AI
Tokenized is sponsored by Visa
A world leader in digital payments, Visa is bridging the gap between traditional financial institutions and innovative blockchain networks, helping players in the payments ecosystem navigate the ever-evolving world of tokenized fiat currencies with confidence and ease. Learn more at visa.com/crypto.
Tokenized is also presented by Mesh
As the first global crypto payments network, Mesh makes it possible for anyone — or any agent — to pay or get paid instantly, from any wallet, on any chain, anywhere in the world. Learn more at meshpay.com
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