Win-Win with Liv Boeree
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About the podcast
Don't hate the players, change the game! The Win-Win Podcast is an exploration of the games that drive our world. Created by poker champion Liv Boeree, it explores solutions to humanity's biggest issues through the lens of game theory. If you want to hear from some of the greatest thinkers on earth, and help defeat Moloch by turning lose-lose dilemmas into clear win-wins, this is the show for you.
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#56 - Txana Tuwe - Amazon Indigenous Elder on Ancient Technologies and AI
Can indigenous wisdom help us navigate these modern times? Fresh perspectives are in short supply these days, and it's not often you get to interview someone who has lived most of their lives entirely outside …
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Can indigenous wisdom help us navigate these modern times? Fresh perspectives are in short supply these days, and it's not often you get to interview someone who has lived most of their lives entirely outside of modern society. So when I got the opportunity to speak to Txana Tuwe - elder of the Huni Kuin tribe, from deep in the Brazilian Amazon rainforest, I jumped at the chance. We discuss his life in the Amazon, his thoughts on modern technology like AI, competition, shamanic warfare and so much more. Huge thank you to him and his translator Leah for taking the time for this recording.
If you'd like to learn more, and support Tuwe's Mission of protecting his corner of the Amazon rainforest, visit here: https://www.kayaweiearth.org/Chapters00:00 Intro01:35 - His Mission in America03:30 - Ancestral Wisdom and Ayahuasca07:46 - Alternative Paths to Wisdom10:48 - Ancient Technologies15:19 - Talking to Plants, Animals & Spirits17:11 - Impact of Technology in the Amazon18:56 - Deforestation Pressures24:37 - Tribal Warfare28:14 - What can be done by us?29:56 - Tuwe's Favorite Games 31:56 - Is he competitive? Shamanic Wars?
Links:♾️ Support Tuwe's Mission: https://www.kayaweiearth.org/♾️ Earth Species Project: https://earthspecies.org/♾️ Huni Kuin Tribe - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huni_Kuin
Credits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Edited by Luca de Vico & Liv BoereeThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart one of the most fundamental forces shaping human behavior: competition.Liv speaks with philosophers, technologists, scientists, founders, and public thinkers to understand how seemingly win-lose systems can be redesigned into win-wins.Podcast links:♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/♾️ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@winwinpodcast♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350#winwinpodcast #ayahuasca #indigenous
#55 - Dean Ball x Daniel Kokotajlo Anti-Debate - Should GOVERNMENTS or MARKETS control AI?
Advanced AI is coming. Is it time for the government to step in and regulate? Or is it better in the hands of the market and tech CEOs? Or is there a more nuanced way to think about this topic entirely? Welcome …
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Advanced AI is coming. Is it time for the government to step in and regulate? Or is it better in the hands of the market and tech CEOs? Or is there a more nuanced way to think about this topic entirely?
Welcome to the ANTI-DEBATE. It's debating, but with a positive-sum twist! My guests today are two of the most qualified people on either side this topic: former Trump AI advisor Dean Ball, and OpenAI researcher-turned-whistleblower Daniel Kokotajlo. Can they find a way to bridge their differences and find a synthesis that satisfies all their concerns? What are their thoughts on the Anthropic vs Department of War & Pete Hegseth feud? Can they align on alignment?
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro and Anthropic vs Department of War feud
3:42 - Daniel’s Story
4:34 - Dean’s Story
6:52 - Opening Statements
19:54 - Rebuttals
25:45 - Free Debate
36:32 - Steelmanning
45:40 - Red-teaming
51:38 - Synthesis
1:17:30 - Closing Statements
This video was made in collaboration with Stephanie Lepp of @synthesis_media who is the brains behind this open-source Anti-Debate format. Huge thanks to her for helping me bring this conversation to life. Go check out the Anti-Debate website below, and create your own!
Links:
♾️ Anti-Debate Project: https://anti-debate.org
♾️ Daniel's AI 2027 Futures: https://ai-2027.com
♾️ Dean's Hyperdimensional Blog: https://www.hyperdimensional.co/
♾️ Light Haven filming location: https://www.lighthaven.space
♾️ Synthesis Media: https://www.synthesismedia.org
♾️ Hoover Institution: https://www.hoover.org
♾️ Anthropic vs Department of War: https://www.anthropic.com
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Idea & Production: Stephanie Lepp @synthesis_media
♾️ Video Editing by Luca de Vico
♾️ Intro edit by Perry Sinclair
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #AIGovernance #technology
#54 - Greg Lukianoff - Free Speech in the Age of AI
Free speech is often treated as a political issue. But what if it’s the foundational technology that makes peaceful civilization possible in the first place?I sat down with Greg Lukianoff — free speech …
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Free speech is often treated as a political issue. But what if it’s the foundational technology that makes peaceful civilization possible in the first place?
I sat down with Greg Lukianoff — free speech advocate, first amendment attorney, and longtime leader of FIRE.org — to explore why freedom of expression is humanity’s ultimate win-win innovation.Greg strongly believes free speech is at risk across the globe. It's under threat from government censorship, and from the attitudes of citizens themselves, who have become increasingly intolerant of opposing views. These pressures seem to only be increasing as we enter the AI era, which allows censorship, surveillance and other oppression tools at scale.
At the same time, it also offers the democratization of potentially hazardous information to violent actors, only increasing the pressures on governing authorities to clamp down even harder on speech. So how do we navigate this tension?
That's what this conversation seeks to answer.Huge thanks to @TheFIREorg for collaborating with me on this episode (they were the ones who organised this live event)! Go support their important work at the link the below.
Chapters:
00:00 — Intro
01:42 — Why is Free Speech a Win-Win?
05:10 — Is Free Speech At Risk in the USA?
08:41 — Charlie Kirk & The Case of Larry Bushart
11:40 — How Is Technology Changing Free Speech?
18:49 — ACLU & Institutional Capture
21:57 — AI & The First Amendment
29:40 — How To Calm The Arms Race?
33:50 — The Hidden Cost of LLM Slop
38:22 — How To Design Better Social Media Algorithms?
41:07 — UK & European Hate Speech Laws & Censorship
47:18 — J.K Rowling & Free Speech Influencers
52:20 — Can Free Speech Survive Gen Z?
59:04 — How To Talk To Skeptics
Links:
♾️ Greg Lukianoff: https://www.thefire.org/people/greg-lukianoff
♾️ FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression): https://www.thefire.org
♾️ Greg’s TED Talk on Free Speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noWh8SSeRCo
♾️ The Larry Bushart Case: https://www.fire.org/cases/larry-bushart-v-perry-county
♾️ The Coddling of the American Mind: https://www.thecoddling.com
♾️ Karl Popper — Conjectures and Refutations: https://archive.org/details/karl-popper-conjectures-and-refutations-the-growth-of-scientific-knowledge
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
♾️ Event Production: the team at Fire.org
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart one of the most fundamental forces shaping human behavior: competition.Liv speaks with philosophers, technologists, scientists, founders, and public thinkers to understand how seemingly win-lose systems can be redesigned into win-wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #freespeech #AI
#53 - John Schultz - Why Google Made ChatGPT, Gemini & Claude Play 900,000 hands of Poker...
Which LLM is best at POKER? What about the social deception game Werewolf? This week I'm collaborating with @googledeepmind and @kaggle to explain their new “AI Game Arena” project, designed to test all …
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Which LLM is best at POKER? What about the social deception game Werewolf? This week I'm collaborating with @googledeepmind and @kaggle to explain their new “AI Game Arena” project, designed to test all the top LLMs at various games.
The Game Arena is a massive research project to create new AI benchmarks, and understand what really makes these general-purpose AIs tick. It also helps us evaluate how far along the path to true AGI we are, NBD.So who better to speak to than Deepmind research engineer John Schultz, one of the main brains behind the project.
We discuss why some LLMs are so much better than others, their internal understanding of the games (or lack of it!) and why games are a useful way to evaluate both capabilities and safety of frontier models.And friends - do please note that for the first time ever on this channel, this post is part of a paid partnership (woohoo I made it!).
So while everything I said in this interview, is absolutely my own views, there are also direct financial incentives behind this particular interview.
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:55 - What Is Game Arena?
01:25 - John’s Favorite Games
03:18 - Narrow AI Vs LLMs: What’s The Difference?
05:58 - Will LLM Poker Skills Transfer To Other Games?
09:00 - Benchmarks And Evals
10:50 - Prompt Design For Game-Playing LLMs
13:32 - Do LLMs Understand Concepts Like Expected Value?
14:24 - Context Window Length17:27 - Why Do LLMs Have Different Playing Styles?
18:41 - Where Does Their Skill Come From?
21:09 - Surprising Results
23:50 - Why Werewolf?
25:48 - Where Does LLM Reasoning Come From?
27:49 - Could LLMs Learning Social Games Be Dangerous?30:58 - Can Games Teach LLMs Cooperation?
32:48 - Which Games Will Be Hardest To Learn?
Links:
♾️ Kaggle Game Arena (Main Hub): https://www.kaggle.com/game-arena
♾️ Introducing the Kaggle Game Arena (Official Post): https://www.kaggle.com/blog/introducing-game-arena
♾️ Poker Benchmark – 900,000 Hands: https://www.kaggle.com/blog/game-arena-poker
♾️ Werewolf Benchmark (Social Deception Game): https://www.kaggle.com/benchmarks/kaggle/werewolf
♾️ Google DeepMind (Research Organization): https://deepmind.google
♾️ Polaris Library (DeepMind, Open Source): https://github.com/google-deepmind/polaris
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #AI #poker #kaggle
#52 - Will MacAskill - What Comes AFTER Superintelligence?
Superintelligence is predicted to arrive within a decade. If that's true, then what comes AFTER? And how can we prepare for it?Which is why I sat down with one of the few people actively thinking about this …
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Superintelligence is predicted to arrive within a decade. If that's true, then what comes AFTER? And how can we prepare for it?Which is why I sat down with one of the few people actively thinking about this: philosopher Will MacAskill. Will heads up Forethought, a research nonprofit focused on how to navigate the transition to a world with superintelligent AI systems. He’s also a former Oxford University professor, and a co-founder of the effective altruism movement. In this special Win-Win Live conversation, we discuss why “utopias” often fail, the growing risks of authoritarian lock-in, whether moral progress survives in a post-labor world,, and how the transition to a post-superintelligence world may be more crucial than the development AGI itself. Also, lots of chat about the sun, space and the high seas.
Chapters: 00:01:10 — Intro00:04:11 — Frameworks For Thinking about The Future00:06:40 — Why We Need to Think About These Questions Now00:10:50 — Post AGI Worlds00:14:16 — Blockers of Positive Futures00:20:11 — Hedonium00:23:45 — Universal Basic Resources00:29:23 — Suffering Risks00:33:52 — Viatopia00:37:50 — Can We Understand — and Steer — Moral Fashions?00:43:06 — Can AI Repair Our Shared Reality?00:49:45 — Pluralistic Futures: Choosing How We Want to Live00:54:57 — The Dangers of Elites Controlling AI01:03:14 — Can We Measure How Well We See the Future?01:06:50 — Purpose in a World of Abundance01:09:20 — Sci-Fi Ideas Worth Writing Now01:16:29 — Meaning in a Post-labor Economy 01:21:24 — How Does Moral Progress Actually Happen?01:27:45 — Will’s Call to ActionLinks: ♾️ Will MacAskill’s website: https://william-macaskill.com ♾️ Forethought: https://www.forethought.org/♾️ Essay on Viatopia https://www.forethought.org/research/viatopia♾️ What We Owe the Future (Will MacAskill): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1541618629 ♾️ Deep Utopia (Nick Bostrom): https://www.amazon.com/dp/1914741128 ♾️ Utopia (Thomas More): https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2130 ♾️ The Republic (Plato): https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1497 ♾️ Island (Aldous Huxley): https://www.amazon.com/dp/0061561791 ♾️ Anarchy, State, and Utopia (Robert Nozick): https://www.amazon.com/dp/0465051006 ♾️ The Archipelago (Scott Alexander): https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/09/the-archipelago/ ♾️ Grabby Aliens Model (Robin Hanson): https://grabbyaliens.com ♾️ The Fermi Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox ♾️ WEIRD Psychology (Joseph Henrich): https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780374173227 ♾️ Protopia (Kevin Kelly): https://kk.org/thetechnium/protopia/ ♾️ Universe 25 (John B. Calhoun): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2636191/ ♾️ Dyson Swarm (Concept): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere ♾️ Effective Altruism: https://www.effectivealtruism.org ♾️ Giving What We Can: https://www.givingwhatwecan.org ♾️ 80,000 Hours: https://80000hours.org Credits:♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree♾️ Produced by Luca de VicoThe Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.Podcast links:♾️ Website: https://www.winwinpodcast.com/♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f ♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350 ♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #AI #superintelligence
#51 - Tyler Cowen - Markets, Institutions and Why AI Hype is (Probably) Overblown
What if the biggest risk from AI isn’t superintelligence gone rogue, but the inflexibility of our human institutions?My guest today, Tyler Cowen, thinks so. Tyler is a professor at George Mason university and …
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What if the biggest risk from AI isn’t superintelligence gone rogue, but the inflexibility of our human institutions?
My guest today, Tyler Cowen, thinks so. Tyler is a professor at George Mason university and one of the most celebrated economists in the world. And unlike many AI proponents, Tyler strongly challenges the idea that intelligence alone determines outcomes in society, and instead points to us humans as the real bottlenecks shaping our future, for better or worse.
Together with my occasional co-host Igor Kurganov, we debate why he thinks diffusion and human adoption matter more than raw capability, and why markets remain one of the most under-appreciated signals in conversations about AI risk. Tyler also shares his views on economic growth, UBI, automation, persuasion, state capacity, why fears of mass unemployment and civilizational collapse are often overstated.
And of course, we explore what it takes to design win-win systems that scale without collapsing under their own incentives.
Oh and we discuss aliens too! A really fun one, hope you enjoy.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:40 – Market Driven Addiction
14:38 – Wealth Plus
17:28 – State Capacity Libertarianism
25:29 – Why Is Carbon Tax Failing?
27:14 – Climate Engineering
29:45 – Pharmaceutical Pricing
36:45 – Designing Incentives
37:24 – AI’s Impact on the Economy
53:24 – AI’s Impact on Tyler
55:25 – Universal Basic Income
59:25 – AI Timelines
01:10:45 – AI Risk Reflected in Markets
01:18:25 – Convincing Future Risk Scenarios
01:20:57 – AI as a Super Persuader
01:30:51 – Is Tyler Competitive?
01:41:39 – Strangest Beliefs & Aliens
01:46:14 – Rapid-Fire Predictions
Links:♾️ Tyler’s X: https://x.com/tylercowen?lang=en
♾️ Tyler’s website: https://tylercowen.com
♾️ Tyler’s blog: https://marginalrevolution.com
♾️ Meditations on Moloch: https://www.slatestarcodexabridged.com/Meditations-On-Moloch
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2#50 - Samantha Sweetwater - Why Indigenous Wisdom Is Important In The AI Age
What if the purpose of life is to find ways of harmonizing the forces of nature, including the nature of ourselves?My guest this week thinks so. I sat down with systems thinker and "True Human" author Samantha …
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What if the purpose of life is to find ways of harmonizing the forces of nature, including the nature of ourselves?
My guest this week thinks so. I sat down with systems thinker and "True Human" author Samantha Sweetwater to talk about the metacrisis and the future of civilization in the age of AI. Samantha’s work bridges complexity science, indigenous wisdom, embodiment, and systems theory to explore how humans might transition from domination and extraction toward relationship, reciprocity, and long-term resilience.
We discuss why modern institutions are struggling to adapt, how technology differs fundamentally from biological systems, and why aligning AI without accounting for the biosphere may be a category error. The conversation also explores kinship versus the hero’s journey, power over life versus the power of life, and what a truly win-win civilization might require.
If you’re interested in AI alignment, systems change, ecology, or the deeper roots of the meta-crisis, this conversation offers a radically different lens.
Chapters:
02:18 – Samantha’s Backstory
11:55 – Finite And Infinite Games
17:00 – True Human
21:55 – Exploring Dreams
34:28 – The Great Separation
38:51 – Power Of Life vs Power OVER life
44:36 – The Balance Between Masculine And Feminine
1:05:23 – Observing An Animate World
1:14:45 – Achieving Transmigration
1:24:28 – Practices To Become More True Human
1:42:14 – On AI Alignment
1:59:58 – Begin To Embody Intelligence
2:06:31 – Why Homo Sapiens Exist To Serve Sentience
Links:
♾️ True Human Book: https: //www.samanthasweetwater.com/truehuman
♾️ Samantha’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/samanthasweetwater
♾️ Samantha's Substack: https://enlifenment.substack.com
♾️ Daniel Schmachtenberger x Win-Win: https: //youtu.be/KCSsKV5F4xc?si=lM7urTngFNuJ4oZx
♾️ Silent Spring: https: //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Spring
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#AI #indigenouswisdom
#49 - British Politician Katie Lam - Defeating Grooming Gangs, Stagnation & Safetyism
Britain was once a beacon of liberty, and the birthplace of the industrial revolution. So why is its economy floundering, while the USA is surging? Has a culture of extreme bureaucracy turned the former global …
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Britain was once a beacon of liberty, and the birthplace of the industrial revolution. So why is its economy floundering, while the USA is surging? Has a culture of extreme bureaucracy turned the former global powerhouse into a stagnant "nanny state"?
My guest today is Katie Lam, a Member of Parliament willing to speak uncomfortable truths. From the grooming gangs scandal, to anarcho-tyranny, to an environmental planning system that prioritises newts over nuclear electricity, we learn how an inappropriate fear of risk is suffocating the British soul.
We also tackle one of the most difficult conversations facing the West today: the failure of multicultural integration, and why the fear of being labeled "racist" has allowed unspeakable crimes like child grooming gangs to go unpunished for so long. Lastly, we hear her inside view on political rivalries (and friendships!), and how politicians can harness the power of competition and cooperation to generate real meaningful change.
So if, like me, you’re concerned about the creeping loss of adult agency, and righting institutional wrongs, I highly recommend this episode!
Chapters:
01:58 - Introduction
02:20 - UK vs US economies
03:49 - Is British Decline Systemic, or Cultural?
12:41 - When did the Nanny State Begin?
17:19 - Overregulation and Norma
20:24 - Reduction of Personal Freedoms
24:31 - The National Health Service (NHS)
29:51 - Consequences of Unexamined Laws
32:03 - Britain's Energy Policy & Nuclear Power
47:27 - Bravery and Honesty in Politics
50:55 - The Grooming Gangs Disaster
1:04:15 - Bad incentives for crime
1:14:28 - Culture and society
1:37:44 - How to Keep Talent in the UK?
1:48:48 - How to Make Britain an AI Leader?
1:53:50 - Quality of outcome on Brexit
1:57:29 - Parliament from the Inside
2:12:46 - Axioms to Live By
2:15:04 - Competition within politics
Links:
♾️ Katie’s Website: https://www.katieforkent.com/
♾️ Katie’s Grooming Gang Parliament Full Speech: https://youtu.be/suD-kWU45uw?si=bV0EgAngiSea_QPD&t=658
♾️ Nuclear Power “Fish Disco” article: https://www.cityam.com/labour-to-hold-fire-on-fish-disco-nuclear-power-reform-due-to-legal-advice/
♾️ Katie’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katieforkent/?hl=en
♾️ Related Win-Win interview with Dominic Cummings -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boIi7cAPPnY
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #politics
#48 - Jim Rutt - Why Capitalism Is Now A Game of Mind Control
Capitalism has historically been our biggest blessing. But what if it's now turning into our biggest curse? Is it time to change the game?My guest today believes so. Jim Rutt is an early internet pioneer …
Show notes
Capitalism has historically been our biggest blessing. But what if it's now turning into our biggest curse? Is it time to change the game?
My guest today believes so. Jim Rutt is an early internet pioneer, complexity scientist, former chairman of the Santa Fe Institute, and co-founder of the Game B movement... and he has a lot to say about how our economic and technological systems have trapped us in addictive, self-reinforcing feedback loops. From smartphones engineered like slot machines to markets that manufacture desire rather than meet real needs, he argues that our current “Game A” world runs on a single signal — money-on-money return — and that this monoculture is quietly eroding both our agency, and planetary stability.
Which is where “Game B” comes in: a post-capitalist operating system built on multidimensional value, regenerative economies, and what he calls "membranes" — local, self-governing communities that cooperate through trust, technology, and shared sensemaking rather than rivalry and coercion.
So if, like me, you increasingly feel that modern life is engineered to keep us divided and distracted, I highly recommend this episode.
Liv
Chapters:
01:42 - intro
03:38 - Tech hygiene practices
06:57 - what was the motivation for tech sabbaticals?
10:12 - why do people love slots?
15:02 - When did Jim decide to build responsibly?
21:38 - status games
23:34 - The market as an information system
31:38 - have the status games moved primarily to digital
38:42 - definition of game A and game B
52:14 - How to prevent system collapse?
01:05:52 - Have any practical experiments been conducted on game B?
01:18:00 - why game A is self terminating
01:27:45 - how do declining populations factor into planetary boundaries?
01:39:41 - how do we exit the game when we are within it?
01:41:45 - defeating the "Big Man"
01:49:18 - Jim's trillion dollar idea
02:00:31 - AI consciousness
02:14:36 - Consciousness vs Intelligence
02:22:48 - the dangers of ascribing consciousness to AI
02:26:32 - Rapid fire predictions
02:28:53 - Jim's WIN-WIN
Links:
♾️ The Jim Rutt Show: https://www.jimruttshow.com
♾️ Jim’s X: https://x.com/jim_rutt?lang=en
♾️ Game B wiki: https://www.gameb.wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
♾️ Game B Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/gamebcore
♾️ Jim’s essay on smartphone dopamine: https://medium.com/@memetic007/reclaiming-our-cognitive-sovereignty-f49f30eb26bb
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#47 - Emmett Shear - Why NATURE Holds the Answers To AI Alignment
Superintelligent AI is rapidly approaching, and humanity (specifically, the labs building it) is still a long way from proving it can be safely controlled. But what if that’s the wrong way of viewing the …
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Superintelligent AI is rapidly approaching, and humanity (specifically, the labs building it) is still a long way from proving it can be safely controlled. But what if that’s the wrong way of viewing the problem? Is there a way to instill values to the mutual benefit of both humans and machines?
In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Emmett Shear — Twitch co-founder, former interim CEO of OpenAI and founder of Softmax — for a groundbreaking conversation on the future of AI alignment.
Emmett unpacks why the traditional “control alignment” approach, which tries to hard-code pre-determined values into AI, is destined to fail — and why “organic alignment,” inspired by nature, teamwork, and human societies, might be the only path forward for coexistence. From multicellularity to markets, he explains how collective identities form; why betrayal can sometimes be the moral choice; and how we might go about teaching AI to care for us as its own family, rather than see us as masters to obey (or perhaps more accurately, ants to squash).
Hear how Emmett's organisation Softmax is experimenting with small, goal-oriented agents in virtual worlds. Why superintelligence should emerge as societies of diverse AIs instead of a single runaway system. And how our own capacity for alignment as groups of humans may be the most powerful clue for what to do next.
If you’re ready to explore the very foundations of your assumptions around technology, philosophy and the nature of intelligence itself, this episode will be right up your alley...
Chapters:
00:48 - Intro.
01:04 - Organic Alignment.7
09:33 - The Formation Of Emergent Coordination.
16:01 - Techniques For Creating Alignment.
23:43 - What Is The Ideal Environment To Generate Alignment
30:09 - How Much Influence Is Projected On The Ai?
32:49 - The Global Super Organism That Is The Market.
40:41 - Group Questions.
40:50 - The Difference Between Coordination And Alignment.
43:02 - What Is The Win Condition For Softmax?
50:17 - How Do We Maintain The Need For Humans In The Loop?
58:57 - Selecting And Scaling The Right Alignment Model.
1:02:09 - Blowtorch Theory & Black Holes
1:04:48 - Agents Aligning With Each Other Isn't The Same As Aligning With Humans.
1:07:25 - Exploring Ai's Capability For Self Modification And Replication.
1:14:35 - The Difference Between Alignment Capacity And Aligning With Humanity.
1:18:38 - Does Emmett Believe In God?
1:25:23 - Are Humans The Appendix To The Future Super Intelligence?
1:32:17 - Is Training Ai On Human Ethics And Morality Actually A Good Idea?
1:36:17 - Will Ai Be Conscious Or Self Aware?
1:40:48 - One Axiom To Instill Into Ai's Being Created.
Links:
♾️Softmax - https://softmax.com/
♾️Nebulosity and Meaningness - https://meaningness.com/nebulosity♾️Black Holes and our evolving universe - https://theeggandtherock.com/p/in-which-i-tell-you-about-my-next
♾️AI Alignment Forum - https://www.alignmentforum.org/♾️Evolving Intrinsic Motivations for Altruistic Behaviour - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1811.05931
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.Podcast
links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #organicalignment #aialignment #ai #aisafety
#46 - Isabelle Boemeke - Why Nuclear Power Is The Rad Future We Need
Energy is the lifeblood of civilization. Is nuclear power the source of abundant clean energy that's been under our noses this whole time?In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Isabelle …
Show notes
Energy is the lifeblood of civilization. Is nuclear power the source of abundant clean energy that's been under our noses this whole time?
In this episode of the Win-Win Podcast, Liv sits down with Isabelle Boemeke (founder of Isodope & energy expert) to tackle the debate between abundance and degrowth, sustainability, safety & energy infrastructure concerns, AI and emerging technologies, and why biomass “renewables” are a giant planet destroying scam. We also get into some history: story from Atoms for Peace to Three Mile Island and the China Syndrome effect, unpacks how the IAEA keeps power and proliferation apart, and explores the promise of small/modular and micro-reactors. Also, techno-pastoralism. You heard it here first!
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro - Why Is Nuclear A Win-Win
1:06 - Isabelle's Backstory
7:08 - The Cognitive Impact Of Air Conditioning
10:13 - Renewables Vs Nuclear - Is It Really A Battle?
13:23 - Wind Energy
15:59 - Should America Lean Into Decentralised Energy Grids?
18:32 - The Problem With "Renewable" Labelling
23:49 - Better Labelling?
25:26 - Public Messaging: Simplicity VS Accuracy
29:11 - History Of Nuclear
41:38 - Nuclear Accidents e.g. Chernobyl
44:52 - What Would Have Happened If We'd Discovered Nuclear Energy Before Bombs?
48:25 - Comparison Of Nuclear And AI
52:08 - Lessons Learned From Nuclear for AI Industry
56:20 - Iran's Nuclear Program
59:38 - Funding Of IAEA
1:07:11 - The AI Race - What About China?
1:08:22 - Decentralized Surveillance
1:14:29 - Finding Meaning In A “Brave New World”
1:16:56 - Why Young People Aren't Getting Into Relationships
1:20:06 - Wireheading And Instant Gratification
1:33:42 - Techno Pastoralism
1:36:30 - Economics Of Nuclear
1:45:15 - Government Incentives
1:46:36 - Small Modular Reactors
1:53:30 - Circular Economies & Thorium
1:59:43 - Fast-tracking Nuclear Engineers
2:01:12 - Why Writing A Book Is Hellish
2:09:36 - Rapid Fire Predictions
Links:
♾️ Isabelle IG: https://www.instagram.com/isabelleboemeke?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=Y2xkOG9kd3lvdW9h
♾️ Isodope Website: https://isodope.com
♾️ Isabelle X: https://x.com/isabelleboemeke
♾️ i_sodope X: https://x.com/isodope ♾️ Rad Future: https://www.amazon.com/Rad-Future-Untold-Nuclear-Electricity/dp/0593716329
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #nuclearenergy #RadFuture
#45 - Dominic Cummings - Stagnation, Corruption & Rebooting The System
Dominic Cummings is one of the most polarizing figures in Britain. He's a political strategist who masterminded the main campaign for Brexit. He was also Chief Advisor to Prime Minister Boris Johnson for some …
Show notes
Dominic Cummings is one of the most polarizing figures in Britain. He's a political strategist who masterminded the main campaign for Brexit. He was also Chief Advisor to Prime Minister Boris Johnson for some of his term, including through COVID. He even had Benedict Cumberbatch play him in a movie! He's also a student of systems, having worked in or around government and civil institutions all his life, which is why I wanted to talk to him, because he's someone who has seen the depth of systemic rot pervading not just the UK, but the whole West.
In this wide-ranging, no-holds-barred conversation, Igor and I hear why our governments are collapsing under their own weight, the rise of algorithm-driven politics and civil service monopolies, and the general systemic dysfunctions hollowing out the West's institutions. We also explore whether scientific and technological leadership and a whole lot of radical transparency can save us — or if we’re already past the tipping point.
So if you’re craving real talk about power, governance, and what it might take to rebuild from the rubble, you'll enjoy this conversation!
Chapters:
01:51 - Is Dominic competitive?
07:30 - First Interest in Politics
12:18 - Beginning of his Euroskepticism
16:50 - The current state of the British regime
23:04 - His Time in No.10 Downing Street
33:00 - Who is actually in charge?
36:38 - More COVID screwups
40:05 - The Consciousness of the System
45:15: Avoiding Future pandemics
1:01:27 - Isn't the role of the government to provide stability?
1:07:17 - The Issue of Bureaucracy
1:11:57 - Machiavelli And Escaping the Wheel
1:15:53 - Singapore
1:19:34 - Digitizing the Government?
1:22:00 - Moloch, Incentives & Political sacrifice
1:25:28 - The Media Is A Simulation of Reality
1:29:12 - How to design better social media platforms
1:31:05 - Sensemaking in the AI age
1:37:24 - UK Grooming Gangs Coverup
1:48:21 - Political Gaslighting, Freedom of Speech & 2nd Amendment
1:50:38 - Blasphemy and Islamophobia Laws in UK
1:56:10 - The Sacred Cow of Multiculturalism
2:02:22 - Core Principles To Live By
2:07:48 - Smart vs Dumb Approaches to Regulation
2:17:05 - Rapid fire Predictions
Links:
♾️ Dominic’s X: https://x.com/Dominic2306
♾️ Dominic’s Substack: https://dominiccummings.substack.com
♾️ Simulacra and Simulation: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22613.Simulacra_and_Simulation?ref=nav_sb_ss_1_6
♾️ Moloch explainer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRz54V7rU4U
♾️ Brexit The Movie: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8425058/
♾️ Mary Wakefield (Dominic’s wife) response to the movie: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/benedict-cumberbatch-on-playing-my-husband-dominic-cummings/
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
♾️ Intro by Perry Sinclair
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, politicians and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose systems into.
Win-Wins.Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #systemchange #politics
#44 - Dean Spears - Population Decline Is Worse Than You Think
The world is having fewer babies than ever. But how bad is this, really? What's causing it? Is there a win-win solution out there that can help people have more babies, if they want them?In this special …
Show notes
The world is having fewer babies than ever. But how bad is this, really? What's causing it? Is there a win-win solution out there that can help people have more babies, if they want them?
In this special "Win-Win Live" event, I speak to Professor Dean Spears - a demographer and economist whose research examines the impact of population decline. He's the author of the book "After The Spike" which explores why people are choosing to have fewer babies, and the stark realities it would mean if the population continues on its current path.
As you'll see, the latter half of this conversation opens up into a group discussion with many previous Win-Win guests who I invited to join because such a complex and sensitive topic requires as many perspectives as possible! What do you think is the solution? Let me know in the comments below.
Chapters:
0:22 - Introduction to the Fertility Crisis
4:12 - Why Over-Population Isn’t A Thing
11:17 - What’s Causing It?
16:03 - Role of Social Trends
18:20 - Role of Biological Infertility & Toxins
23:10 - Wouldn’t Fewer People Take Pressure Off The Environment?
28:56 - Climate, Ocean and Other Planetary Boundaries
32:28 - Paul Erlich and Dangers of Zero-Sum Thinking
36:25 - Can’t AI & Robots Fill The Economic Gap?
42:58 - Historical Strategies That Increased Birth Rates?48:40 - Impact of Contraception
52:57 - Which Sub-Populations Are Bucking The Trend?
57:37 - How To Help Women Have Careers And Babies?
59:56 - The Issues of A Heavily Elderly Population
1:05:13 - Examples of Successful Incentives
1:09:07 - More AI Stuff
1:17:47 - Opportunity Cost Hypothesis
1:22:28 - Won’t People Just Adapt?
1:27:55 - COVID-19 And Fertility Rate
1:29:17 - Family Size Distributions
1:34:31 - Research on Declining Intimacy
Links:
♾️ Dean's Website: https://deanspears.net/
♾️ After The Spike Book - https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/After-the-Spike/Dean-Spears/9781668057339
♾️ Dean's NYTimes article: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/29/opinion/population-climate-progress.html♾️ Population Projections: https://ourworldindata.org/un-population-2024-revision
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2 #winwinpodcast #populationdecline #fertilitycrisis
#43 - Jamie Joyce - Democracy, Digitization and Debates
Democracy is in deep trouble. Could replacing politicians with real data save it? In this episode Liv sits down with Jamie Joyce – founder of the Society Library — to explore one of the most urgent questions of …
Show notes
Democracy is in deep trouble. Could replacing politicians with real data save it? In this episode Liv sits down with Jamie Joyce – founder of the Society Library — to explore one of the most urgent questions of our time: how do we make sense of complex issues in the age of misinformation, algorithmic bias, and AI slop?We hear what happens when you treat information not as content to consume, but as infrastructure to build. Jamie shares how her nonprofit is transforming fraught topics—from nuclear power to AI—into structured “libraries of reasoning” to help politicians, citizens, and even machines understand all perspectives more clearly and come to more informed conclusion.One of all you bibliophiles out there!
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
4:30 - Diablo Canyon Debate Map
14:26 - How To Evaluate Evidence?
16:18 - How To Minimize Bias?
19:06 - How To Handle Bad Faith & Fringe Perspectives
24:16 - What About Flat Earth Type Conspiracies?
28:37 - Cyber Attacks On Internet Archive
33:54 - Modernizing Government
41:01 - The Evil of Corporate Lobbying
49:40 - Managing Info Hazards
53:19 - Society Library Virtues And Values
57:06 - When Jamie Neatly Went Blind
1:01:27 - Improving The Information Ecosystem
1:12:44 - Prediction Markets and Sense-making
1:15:25 - Structuring Data For Improved Learning
1:22:17 - Society Library Meme Token Nonsense
1:32:21 - Rapid Fire Predictions
1:38:51 - Jamie's Favorite Win-Win
Links:
♾️ The Society Library : https://www.societylibrary.org
♾️ Internet Archive : https://archive.org
♾️ Jamie’s X : https://x.com/justjamiejoyce?lang=en Credits
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win PodcastPoker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
Podcast links
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #Democracy #Sensemaking
#42 - Anthony Aguirre and Malo Bourgon - Why Superintelligent AI Should Not Be Built
Humanity is in a race to build superintelligent AI gods. What happens if we create beings smarter than us—and can no longer steer them?In this special Win-Win IRL episode, Liv Boeree sits down with Anthony …
Show notes
Humanity is in a race to build superintelligent AI gods. What happens if we create beings smarter than us—and can no longer steer them?
In this special Win-Win IRL episode, Liv Boeree sits down with Anthony Aguirre (CEO of Future of Life Institute) and Malo Bourgon (CEO of MIRI) for a no-holds-barred conversation on finding alignment, avoiding power concentration and surveillance states, and the geopolitical implications of the race to AGI.
Questions include: Why can’t the market be trusted to self-regulate AI? Why does power concentration in AI pose such a massive threat to democracy? And what happens when even well-meaning developers lose control of the systems they’ve built?
We also explore win-win solutions—from compute governance and open-source safety measures, to collaborative international treaties and new models for responsible innovation. Also keep an eye out So buckle up for a provocative episode that challenges assumptions and asks what it will really take to keep the future human.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
4:08 - Different Categories of Risks
10:51 - Why Can't the Market Manage AI Risks Sufficiently?
15:33 - The Dangers of Power Concentration
22:52 - What Solution Space Exists?
32:55 - Should Compute be Regulated?
38:38 - Taylor Capito - Are we at an Evolutionary Nexus
42:07 - JD Ross - Decentralization vs Centralization
46:46 - Isabelle Boemeke - Nuclear Power & AI
51:06 - Peter Wang - Wrong Stories Attract the Wrong People
57:39 - Aurora Quinn-Elmore & Eliezer Yudkowsky - Coherent Extrapolated Volition
1:05:59 - Can Win-Win be embedded into AI?
Links:
♾️ Keep the Future Human Paper: https://keepthefuturehuman.ai
♾️ Future of Life Institute: https://futureoflife.org
♾️ MIRI: https://intelligence.org
♾️ Superintelligence Book by Nick Bostrom - https://www.amazon.com/Superintelligence-Dangers-Strategies-Nick-Bostrom/dp/0198739834
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#AGI #podcast #aialignment
#41 - Harper Carroll - AI & The Spirituality of Silicon Valley
What if AI isn’t replacing us—but redefining what it means to be skilled? Liv talks with engineer and educator Harper Carroll about how AI is transforming education, leveling the playing field for creators, and …
Show notes
What if AI isn’t replacing us—but redefining what it means to be skilled? Liv talks with engineer and educator Harper Carroll about how AI is transforming education, leveling the playing field for creators, and reshaping how we build, learn, and make decisions. A grounded look at the tools, challenges, and surprising upsides of the AI era, as well as a personal exploration of the spirituality (or lack of it) in Silicon Valley.
Chapters
01:04 - Intro & Harper’s Story
04:58 - Growing a Following
07:18 - AI vs Machine Learning
11:18 - Harper’s Mission
18:43 - Her Favorite Applications of AI
27:27 - Choosing Between AI Tools
29:46 - Integrating AI in Schools
33:11 - Regulation to Prevent Over-Financial Optimization
36:59 - Leveling the Playing Field with AI
46:40 - Should People Still Learn to Code?
51:05 - AI Therapists?
57:54 - AI & Spirituality
1:02:28 - Cultivating Intuition and Wisdom
1:09:23 - Silicon Valley, Tech Bros and Femininity
1:16:00 - AI Generated Scams
1:21:13 - The Cat-and-Mouse Game of Scammers
1:28:23 - The Hive Mind
1:35:05- Agency and Gratitude
♾️ Harper IG : https://www.instagram.com/harpercarrollai/?hl=en
♾️ Harper Youtube : https://www.youtube.com/@HarperCarrollAI
♾️ Harper X : https://x.com/harperscarroll?lang=en Credits
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
Podcast links
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@LivBoeree
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUa...
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast...
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts...
#winwinpodcast #AI #technology
#40 - Lewis Bollard - How to End Factory Farming
Factory farming is one of the most universally loathed industries on Earth —so why is it still growing?Today I chat with Lewis Bollard, a leading researcher in farm animal welfare and global food policy, to …
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Factory farming is one of the most universally loathed industries on Earth —so why is it still growing?
Today I chat with Lewis Bollard, a leading researcher in farm animal welfare and global food policy, to understand the true scale and impact of industrial animal agriculture, and what we can do to improve it.
We hear how corporate lobbying and political corruption have allowed the normalization of practices so harmful to both human and animal health they will take your breath away… including irresponsibility towards deadly pathogens like H5N1, intentional animal torture, massive antibiotic overuse and environmental contamination of large areas downstream of these giant intensive farms.
On the more positive side, we explore the growing bipartisan support for animal welfare among voters, and how simple ballot measures could radically shift the future of our food back onto a healthier, more win-win path. So strap in for an intense episode—but one that’s packed with practical solutions and reasons for hope.
0:00 - Intro & Lewis's life story
4:20 - What Qualifies as a Factory Farm?
14:20 - The Human Cost Of Factory Farming
20:33 - U.S. Labeling Standards
25:11 - Pandemic Risks from Factory Farming
31:45 - Environmental Impacts
36:28 - Mental Health Of Farm Workers
43:13 - Undercover Reporting
48:14 - Political Corruption and Incentives
53:14 - EATS Act & the Farm Bill
1:00:32 - Ag-gag Laws
1:04:32 - Improvements & Solutions
1:17:29 - Government Subsidies
1:24:02 - Technological Solutions
1:31:08 - Cultivated Meat
1:39:52 - What YOU can do!
1:45:38 - Finding a Win-Win Future of Farming
Links :
♾️ US Statistics on Factory Farming: https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/almost-all-livestock-in-the-united-states-is-factory-farmed
♾️ Global Statistics on Factory Farming https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed
♾️Voters Demand Farm Animal Protections : https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/8/2/voters-demand-farm-animal-protections-from-both-politicians-and-companies
♾️ Take Action to Oppose the EATS act / anti Prop 12 addition to the Farm Bill: https://animalequality.org/stop-eats-act/
♾️ Follow Lewis on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Lewis_Bollard
♾️ Follow Lewis on Substack: https://substack.com/@farmanimalwelfare
Credits
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
Podcast links
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #animalwelfare #factoryfarming
#39 - Daniel Kokotajlo - Wargames, Superintelligence & Quitting OpenAI
AI is developing at breakneck speed—but are we properly prepared for what’s coming? To explore this question Igor and I grabbed leading AI researcher and forecaster Daniel Kokotajlo for a conversation about why …
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AI is developing at breakneck speed—but are we properly prepared for what’s coming?
To explore this question Igor and I grabbed leading AI researcher and forecaster Daniel Kokotajlo for a conversation about why he left OpenAI, what's right and wrong with their company culture, and how tabletop wargames are one of the best tools we have to prepare for AGI and superintelligence in the current hyper-competitive environment.
Learn how these simulations—often used by militaries—can help us better forecast the geopolitical and technical dynamics of AI development, and why so many of them end with one person taking over the world. The gang also explore the challenges of AI alignment, incentive structures and reasons for hope. And of course, lots of predictions. Win-Win!
Chapters
0:00 - Intro
01:06 - AI Wargame & Superintelligence
05:15 - Resigning from OpenAI
09:15 - That Non-Disparagement Clause & His Equity
12:50 - Could OpenAI's behavior be Justified?
20:50 - Governance in a world with AGI
23:49 - Grading Daniel's AI predictions
31:37 - Hyperstition yay or nay?
38:09 - AI war games
46:50 - AI deception and misalignment
53:27 - More AI war games
1:03:16 - Common sense AI policies
1:23:01 - Science Fiction
1:27:12 - Rapid fire predictions
Links :
♾️ Daniel's new Predictions : https://ai-2027.com
♾️ His Historic predictions : https://www.alignmentforum.org/posts/6Xgy6CAf2jqHhynHL/what-2026-looks-like
♾️ AI - Futures: https://ai-futures.org
♾️ Time Article on Daniel : https://time.com/7086285/ai-transparency-measures/
♾️ Professional Wargaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_wargaming
♾️ UN Pandemic Exercise: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoLw-Q8X174&list=PL9-oVXQX88esnrdhaiuRdXGG7XOVYB9Xm&index=2
♾️ Leopold Aschenbrenner’s “Situational Awareness”: https://situational-awareness.ai/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/situationalawareness.pdf
♾️ Daniel’s X: https://x.com/DKokotajlo Credits
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree & Igor Kurganov
♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
Podcast links
♾️ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWgq0OZMtwtOIyMsVM_vksqdfWcM-b68S
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#winwinpodcast #ai #openai
#38 - Manu Meel - Healing Political Polarization
Protests, lock-ins, encampments…the culture on university campuses is certainly fraught these days! As political discourse worsens among young people, I couldn’t think of anyone better to explore this issue …
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Protests, lock-ins, encampments…the culture on university campuses is certainly fraught these days! As political discourse worsens among young people, I couldn’t think of anyone better to explore this issue with than Manu Meel.
Manu is the founder and CEO of Bridge USA; a movement to help students and other young people engage in constructive dialogue and disagreement to improve the quality of politics and democracy, and in this conversation we hear his powerful journey from pre-med student to leading one of the most influential youth organizations in America.
Chapters :
00:00 - Intro
01:35 - What Is Bridge USA0
7:19 - Understanding The Social Divide
19:03 - What A Classic Bridge Session Looks Like
25:35 - Who Attends Bridge Sessions
33:24 - Incentivizing Understanding
40:21 - Managing Bad Faith Actors
47:24 - Movement Building
52:23 - Where Zero Sum Can Be Positive
58:16 - Changes On Campuses Since Trump Election
01:02:35 - Ten Percent Problem
01:06:33 - What Would A Social Media Redesign Look Like
01:18:03 - Bridging The Political Divide In Government
01:23:42 - Manu’s Mindset
Links:
BridgeUSA: https://bridgeusa.org
2017 Berkeley protests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests
Why Bother Bridging Differences in College, Anyway?: https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/why_bother_bridging_differences_in_college_anyway
What students really think about cancel culture: https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/02/college-campus-free-speech-cancel-culture/621484/
Manu X: https://x.com/manumeel_?lang=en
Forbes Profile: https://www.forbes.com/profile/manu-meel/
The Coddling of the American Mind:
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
Podcast links:
♾️ Youtube: • Win-Win with Liv Boeree
♾️ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/03bGVUaFZmJUmEvSHNDPdI?si=64379cc23696454f
♾️ Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/win-win-with-liv-boeree/id1724791350
♾️ Pocketcast: https://play.pocketcasts.com/podcasts/7f708340-d17c-013b-f46e-0acc26574db2
#37 - Tim Urban - Beating Procrastination, Parenthood, and Politics
In this episode of the Win Win Podcast, Liv and Igor sit down with Wait But Why creator Tim Urban to explore everything from his unexpected pet tortoise, Winston, to the mind-bending implications of …
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In this episode of the Win Win Podcast, Liv and Igor sit down with Wait But Why creator Tim Urban to explore everything from his unexpected pet tortoise, Winston, to the mind-bending implications of superintelligent AI.We hear about his latest foray into book writing, and how he’s structured his workflow to overcome his damn procrastination monkey. The crew also discuss such classics as free will, parenthood and the current state of (un) freedom of speech in the UK. Fun stuff.
Chapters:0:00 - Intro
1:27 - Book Writing
11:33 - Thoughts On Free Will
15:54 - Liv & Tim's Wager
34:26 - Systems for Work, Life and Progress
37:52 - Parenthood
43:02 - Picking the Right Life Partner
48:47 - That Bloody Heat Map
1:00:38 - Political Changes and Currents
1:15:07 - UK Political Degradation
1:22:40 - Surveillance and Government Overreach
1:33:17 - Rapid Fire Predictions
Links:
♾️ Wait But Why Blog: https://waitbutwhy.com ♾️ What's our problem? Book: https://waitbutwhy.com/whatsourproblem ♾️ Heat Map study : https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-12227-0
♾️ Apple pulls data protection feature in UK : https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-removing-end-to-end-cloud-encryption-feature-uk-bloomberg-news-reports-2025-02-21/
Credits
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree
♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page
♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
#00 - Daniel Schmachtenberger - AI, Capitalism, Misalignment & Moloch
A deep dive into the game theory and exponential growth underlying our modern economic system, and how recent advancements in AI are poised to turn up the pressure on that system -- and our wider environment …
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A deep dive into the game theory and exponential growth underlying our modern economic system, and how recent advancements in AI are poised to turn up the pressure on that system -- and our wider environment -- in ways we have never seen before. Not a conversation for the faint hearted, but crucial nonetheless. Daniel Schmachtenberger is a founding member of The Consilience Project, a research organization aimed at improving public sense-making around global catastrophic risks and technology. This conversation is the first episode of the Win-Win Podcast, which explores healthier ways to harness the power of competition.
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
02:17 - Moloch Framework
12:16 - Meta Crisis
26:48 - Bad People or Bad System?
31:09 - Capitalism & Moloch
40:08 - Misalignment
51:31 - Incentive Pressures Driving Misalignment
57:58 - Moloch Driving AI Development
01:00:50 - AI Risks Pre AGI
01:07:31 - AI Accelerates Existing Systemic Issues
01:15:35 - Social Media01:19:07 - Alternative Goals
01:23:56 - Cooperation on AI
01:28:16 - Call to Action
Daniel's Links
♾️ The Consilience Project: https://consilienceproject.org
♾️ Green Pill | The Metacrisis: • The Metacrisis with Daniel Schmachten...
♾️ Bend Not Break series | • Daniel Schmachtenberger “Bend Not Bre...
♾️ Meditations on Moloch by SlateStarCodex: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/
♾️ The Win-Win Podcast:Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
#36 - Bill Perkins - Space and The Future of Satellite Imaging
In this episode of the Win-Win podcast we are floating off the coast of Starbase, watching the live launch of Starship 6 with Bill Perkins. Bill is a founder of two satellite imaging companies that aim to …
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In this episode of the Win-Win podcast we are floating off the coast of Starbase, watching the live launch of Starship 6 with Bill Perkins.
Bill is a founder of two satellite imaging companies that aim to address environmental issues by making satellite data—once inaccessible to the public—widely available, revolutionizing everything from climate monitoring to illegal fishing enforcement. We also see a rocket launch, and Liv cries (again). Something for everyone. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro 2:17 - Launch 4:30 - Short Term Benefits of Space 5:56 - Unleashing the hive mind 6:40 - Hyperspectral 8:57 - Restrictions and Regulations on Imaging 11:30 - Use Cases 13:59 - How to Preserve Privacy? 16:40 - The Future of Satellite Imaging 20:53 - Rapid Fire Predictions Credits: ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson Page ♾️ Produced by Luca de Vico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
#35 - Allison Duettman - Cooperation, Technology and the Power of Existential Hope
Explore the future of cooperation and technology in this thought-provoking episode of the Win Win Podcast! Liv chats to Allison Duettman from the Foresight Institute about how to harness emerging technologies …
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Explore the future of cooperation and technology in this thought-provoking episode of the Win Win Podcast! Liv chats to Allison Duettman from the Foresight Institute about how to harness emerging technologies like AI, nanotechnology, and blockchain to create a freer, more coordinated world. They explore concepts like "existential hope," "multipolar active shields," and "Pareto-topia," along with strategies for fostering decentralized cooperation. Allison shares her insights on navigating Moloch traps, designing resilient systems, and imagining hopeful futures. If you're curious about creating a positive, thriving future, this episode is a must-watch! Chapters: 0:00 - Intro 2:18 - Existential Hope 5:45 - Utopian vs Dystopian Art 11:00 - The Story Circle 16:03 - Naturalistic Arguments vs Transhumanism 25:29 - Foresight Institute 27:46 - World-building Hackathons 33:20 - Pareto-topia 35:24 - Making Win-Wins More Visible 41:02 - The Role of Cooperation in Society 45:38 - The Danger of Over-Centralization 50:58 - The Third Attractor 59:00 - Building the Third Attractor 1:11:00 - Crypto as a Solution to Tragedy of Commons 1:15:56 - Prediction markets 1:21:00 - AGI & the Cooperation Game 1:28:00 - Super Rationality 1:32:48 -Advice to Listeners 1:41:31 - Favorite Games 1:44:14 - Rapid fire Predictions Links: Gaming the future book: https://foresight.org/gaming-the-future-the-book/ Foresight institute: https://foresight.org Existential Hope: https://www.existentialhope.com World building hackathons: https://www.existentialhope.com/existential-hope-worldbuilding
#34 - Igor Kurganov - Liv's World Series Poker Win and Fixing Social Media
n case you missed it, Liv just won a record-breaking $2,800,000 in the World Series of Poker last month In this episode, she and Igor discuss her victory, why it represents a win-win for both her and animals …
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n case you missed it, Liv just won a record-breaking $2,800,000 in the World Series of Poker last month In this episode, she and Igor discuss her victory, why it represents a win-win for both her and animals... how to fix social media... Magnus Carlsen's jeans drama, a drunken game of backgammon and much more.
Chapters: 0:00 - Intro and Backgammon 2:45 - Liv’s World Series of Poker Win 10:19 - Liv’s Charity Pledge & Cultivating Win-Wins 14:15 - The Physics of Women’s Feet 17:06 - Addressing Insecurities 19:30 - The H1B Visa Debate 20:16 - How to Fix Social Media Algorithms 39:26 - Elon Musk and X.com 44:55 - Magnus Carlsen Jeans Chess Drama 49:15 - The Multiverse Poker Tour Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Jackson ♾️ Produced by Luca DeVico The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #winwinpodcast #poker #backgammon
#33 - Alexandra and Andrea Botez - Competition, Sisterhood and the Social Media Game
The Botez sisters are no strangers to competition. But how do they manage their competitive urges? How does it affect their relationship to one another, as sisters? These are just some of the many intimate …
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The Botez sisters are no strangers to competition. But how do they manage their competitive urges? How does it affect their relationship to one another, as sisters? These are just some of the many intimate topics we cover in today's Win-Win episode. Best known for their hilarious chess streaming videos, Andrea and Alexandra Botez are some of the world's most celebrated gamers - born into a household that demanded excellence, they both competed on the chess circuit to a high level before turning to streaming and launching themselves to gaming superstardom. Chess is obviously their main game, but they're starting to dominate so many other games too: Alex in poker, and Andrea in DJing! (links to those channels below). In this conversation with Liv Boeree we hear all the good, bad and ugly sides of life as women in the world of gaming. Chapters 01:19 - Who is More Competitive? 07:42 - Growing Up In Competitive Chess 15:00 - Why Games? 28:43 - Building a Youtube Audience 31:52 - Beauty Filters and Coordination Problems 35:13 - The Hotness Dilemma 52:31 - Sexism in Chess vs. Poker 1:00:09 - Magnus Carlsen 1:01:50 - Trash Talking 1:03:30 - FIDE and Centralized Rules 1:07:04 - Weirdest Moments Playing Chess 1:10:10 - The Future of Botez? 1:14:03 - Rapid-fire Predictions Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree ♾️ Edited and Mixed by Ryan Kessler
♾️ Trailer Edit by Perry Sinclair The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins. #botez #winwinpodcast #chess #influencer
#32 - Scott Aaronson - The Race to AGI and Quantum Supremacy
How fast is the AI race really going? What is the current state of Quantum Computing? What actually *is* the P vs NP problem? - former OpenAI researcher and theoretical computer scientist Scott Aaronson joins …
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How fast is the AI race really going? What is the current state of Quantum Computing? What actually *is* the P vs NP problem? - former OpenAI researcher and theoretical computer scientist Scott Aaronson joins Liv and Igor to discuss everything quantum, AI and consciousness. We hear about his experience working on OpenAI's "superalignment team", whether quantum computers might break Bitcoin, the state of University Admissions, and even a proposal for a new religion! Strap in for a fascinating conversation that bridges deep theory with pressing real-world concerns about our technological future.
Chapters:
1:30 - Working at OpenAI 4:23 - His Approaches to AI Alignment 6:23 - Watermarking & Detection of AI content 19:15 - P vs. NP 27:11 - The Current State of AI Safety 37:38 - Bad "Just-a-ism" Arguments around LLMs 48:25 - What Sets Human Creativity Apart from AI 55:30 - A Religion for AGI? 1:00:49 - More Moral Philosophy 1:05:24 - The AI Arms Race 1:11:08 - The Government Intervention Dilemma 1:23:28 - The Current State of Quantum Computing 1:36:25 - Will QC destroy Cryptography? 1:48:55 - Politics on College Campuses 2:03:11 - Scott's Childhood & Relationship with Competition 2:23:25 - Rapid-fire Predictions
Links:
♾️ Scott’s Blog: https://scottaaronson.blog/
♾️ Scott’s Book: https://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Computing-since-Democritus-Aaronson/dp/0521199565
♾️ QIC at UTA: https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~qic/ Credits
Credits:
♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree and Igor Kurganov
♾️ Produced by Liv Boeree
♾️ Post-Production by Ryan Kessler
The Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
#WinWinPodcast #QuantumComputing #AISafety #LLM
#31 - Kristian Rönn - Escaping The Moloch Trap
How do we escape Moloch’s trap for good? In this special Burning Man edition of Win-Win, Liv forgoes the usual purple chairs for dusty playa to chat with Kristian Rönn. Kristian is the CEO and co-founder of …
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How do we escape Moloch’s trap for good?
In this special Burning Man edition of Win-Win, Liv forgoes the usual purple chairs for dusty playa to chat with Kristian Rönn. Kristian is the CEO and co-founder of Normative, a platform for helping industries strive for net zero emissions.
With intellectual roots in Oxford’s Future of Humanity Institute and his own mission to create positive-sum solutions to climate change, Kristian has just launched a new book - The Darwinian Trap - and in this conversation, Liv and Kristian examine solutions to the short-term thinking and cost externalisation that traditional markets often produce. A conversation full of evolutionary biology, game theory and economics as they examine solutions to the world’s deadliest demon.
Chapters
(01:42)-The Darwinian Trap
(03:42)-Why Is Coordination So Hard?
(07:19)-Unstable Equilibriums: The Butterfly Effect of Game Theory
(13:55)-Natural Selection: Capitalism's Ace In The Hole
(20:16)-How Can A Market Model Anything At All?
(22:10)-Betting On Our Values
(27:29)-What Problems Do Reputational Markets Solve?
(32:56)-Centralized Mechanisms for Overcoming The Darwinian Trap
(35:16)-The Risks of Over-Centralization
(39:46)-The Burning Man Model
(43:00)-Mixed Economies
(45:53)-Killing The Incentives or Kill The Organism?
(50:59)-The Miracle of Evolutionary Success
(54:03)-Finding Hope
(56:21)-Spreading Awareness To Defeat Moloch
(59:58)-Why Burning Man?Links
♾️ Kristian’s New Book
♾️ Kristian’s Bio
♾️ Liv’s TED talk on Moloch
♾️ Reputational Markets
♾️ Episode TranscriptCredits
♾️ Hosted and Produced by Liv Boeree
♾️ Post-Production by Ryan KesslerThe Win-Win Podcast:
Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
#WinWinPodcast #TheDarwinianTrap #Moloch
#30 - Nate Silver - Predicting Elections in Chaotic Times
Can we still accurately model elections in such chaotic times? Are prediction markets the future of news? Nate Silver thinks so - Nate is a renowned election analyst, author and former professional poker …
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Can we still accurately model elections in such chaotic times? Are prediction markets the future of news? Nate Silver thinks so - Nate is a renowned election analyst, author and former professional poker player. He's the founder of FiveThirtyEight, whose statistical models revolutionized election forecasting, earning him national acclaim. His two books "On The Edge: The Art of Risking Everything." and "Signal in Noise" are inspirations for today's Win-Win conversation with Liv and Igor. We discuss polling accuracy, the importance of prediction markets like Polymarket, poker thinking, solutions to political polarization, and of course his latest predictions on Trump vs Kamala. We also hear his theory on "The River" and "The Village" communities, defined by their opposing perspectives on risk - and how these contrasting worldviews shape approaches to everything from public health policy to technology. Chapters
00:01:34 - Predicting Elections 00:06:49 - Trump Assassination Attempt 00:11:45 - Prediction Markets 00:21:13 - Nate’s New Book on Risk 00:25:53 - Institutional screwups on COVID 00:33:30 - Why are People so Averse to Probabilities? 00:35:27 - Silicon Valley’s Blind Spots 00:40:43 - Excessively Risky Behavior 00:44:29 - Regulations 00:48:55 - Finding Common Ground 01:00:18 - Alternative Voting Structures 01:06:50 - Signal vs Noise in the AI age 01:12:15 - Advice for Sharpening Your Models 01:22:25 - Nate’s Maxims For A Win-Win Future Links: ♾️ Nate’s Blog: https://www.natesilver.net/ ♾️ Nate’s Twitter: https://x.com/NateSilver538/ Credits: ♾️ Hosted and Produced by Liv Boeree and Igor Kurganov ♾️ Post-Production by Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
#29 - Peter Wang - Founder of Anaconda on Open Source, AI & Virtual Worlds
Open-source movements have historically been a great source of collaboration. Can we harness the power of open source software, science or AI to help solve the world's coordination problems? Or could it just …
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Open-source movements have historically been a great source of collaboration. Can we harness the power of open source software, science or AI to help solve the world's coordination problems? Or could it just make everything worse? This is the main topic covered in today's episode of the Win-Win Podcast. Liv is joined by Peter Wang, a physicist, computer scientist, and founder of Anaconda, one of the most widely used open source platforms for Python development. Peter leads Anaconda’s AI Incubator, which focuses on advancing core Python technologies and developing new frontiers in open-source AI and machine learning, especially in the areas of edge computing, data privacy, and decentralized computing. In this wide-ranging conversation. we explore how these technologies, and their philosophies can potentially help us navigate the complexities of our informationally overloaded environment.
Chapters:
00:00:00 - What is Open Source Software 00:10:29 - Peter's History with The Open Source Movement 00:35:06 - Security and State Interests in Open Source 00:37:16 - Open Science and The Commons of Knowledge 00:39:40 - The Central Problem of Coordination 00:43:46 - The Solutions That Markets Solve and The Problems They Create 01:04:40 - Synchronous Attention As A Scarce Resource 01:09:23 - The Liminal Act of Modelling The World 01:19:58 - Virtuality and Colorful Dystopias 01:22:03 - Is Technology Values-Neutral? 01:32:30 - Moloch Invades The Tech Stack 01:35:57 - Psychosecurity and The Dangers of Attention-Renting Software 01:42:00 - Is The Global Community Actually Excelling in Science? 01:43:51 - Our Cosmic Scale and The Instruments To Probe It 01:53:18 - The Stagnation of Physics 01:56:06 - The Civilizational Perspective on AI Safety 02:05:23 - The Benefits of Open Source To Society 02:27:26 - Will AI Accelerate A Global Security Crisis?Credits:
♾️ Hosted and Produced by Liv Boeree
♾️ Edited and Mixed by Ryan Kessler
Links:
♾️ Peter’s Twitter: https://x.com/pwang?lang=en
♾️ Anaconda: https://www.anaconda.com/
♾️ Peter’s Blog: https://medium.com/@pwang
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Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
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#28 - Liv Boeree & Igor Kurganov - The Secrets of Relationship Success
What are the key ingredients of successful long-term relationships? How can couples better navigate conflict? What about jealousy? In this very personal Win-Win episode, professional poker couple Liv and Igor …
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What are the key ingredients of successful long-term relationships? How can couples better navigate conflict? What about jealousy?
In this very personal Win-Win episode, professional poker couple Liv and Igor discuss what they've learned from the ten years of dating each other. Prepare yourself for plenty of strategy, anecdotes and smack talk!
Chapters 00:00:00 - Intro 00:01:29 - Secret Ingredient? 00:04:26 - Dumbbell Theory 00:07:59 - The Power of Banter & Radical Honesty 00:11:22 - Dealing with Emotional Volatility 00:15:27 - Role of Forgiveness & Competitive Dynamics 00:18:23 - Igor Spirals about LLMs 00:19:41 - Quick Hacks for Reducing Arguments 00:21:23 - Dealing with Unbalanced Power Dynamics 00:25:57 - Handling Jealousy 00:30:57 - Soulmates and Stopping Algorithms 00:33:20 - Interviewer Switcheroo 00:33:40 - Stubbornness & the need to change your partner 00:37:38 - Effect of Money 00:41:18 - Balancing Time Together and Apart 00:42:24 - New Ten Year Prediction 00:48:29 - Outro
Links ♾️ The Passion Trap - https://www.amazon.com/Passion-Trap-R... ♾️ Igor's Twitter - https://twitter.com/igorkurganov?lang=en ♾️ Igor discusses AI with Magatte Wade - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9k2Y...
Credits ♾️ Hosted by Liv Boeree and Igor Kurganov ♾️ Edit and Audio Mix by Liv Boeree and Ryan Kessler The Win-Win Podcast: Poker champion Liv Boeree takes to the interview chair to tease apart the complexities of one of the most fundamental parts of human nature: competition. Liv is joined by top philosophers, gamers, artists, technologists, CEOs, scientists, athletes and more to understand how competition manifests in their world, and how to change seemingly win-lose games into Win-Wins.
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