Going Rogue
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- 13 Nov 2026
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Welcome to the ultimate insider's guide to the world of fashion, celebrity, and media—straight from the heart of Vogue. I’m Jill Demling and for nearly two decades I was the Entertainment Director of Vogue. I've booked over 200 American Vogue covers, 30 covers for British Vogue, and more than 50 covers worldwide. That's nearly 300 covers that shaped pop culture, defined fashion, and captured the zeitgeist. But those perfect images? They're just the tip of the iceberg. "Going Rogue" is your backstage pass to the moments that never made it to print. The stories from the photographers who captured magic, the stylists who created iconic looks, and the writers who know every secret. You'll hear about the celebrities, the shoots that almost didn't happen, and the untold drama behind fashion's most memorable moments. Remember "The Devil Wears Prada"? That fictional 11-month snapshot? I was there for the real story—I even hired the person the book was based on and appear on page 21 of the book. But this isn't about one story. It's about hundreds of stories, from someone who was on the inside. This podcast is not an exposé, it's a celebration of the brilliant people behind the scenes that made all the famous moments possible at Vogue. It isn't just a podcast about fashion. It's about creativity, ambition, art, and the human stories behind the images that helped define a generation. We'll reveal how the talents behind these shoots got their start, and they'll share masterclass-level advice for a new generation of stylists, photographers, and creatives looking to make their mark. We're going behind the scenes of a world most people only glimpse through glossy pages and red carpet moments. Are you ready to go rogue with me?
Épisodes 55
Elle Fanning Goes Rogue: Effie, Grace, and the Red Carpet
Jill has known Elle Fanning since she was 13, when Jill cast her in her first American Vogue story, shot by Bruce Weber and styled by Grace Coddington at the Chateau Marmont. For this episode, Jill and former …
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Jill has known Elle Fanning since she was 13, when Jill cast her in her first American Vogue story, shot by Bruce Weber and styled by Grace Coddington at the Chateau Marmont. For this episode, Jill and former Vogue style director Edward Barsamian sit down with Elle in London during the press tour for The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping.
Elle explains how she built a younger, more bohemian Effie Trinket. This Effie is a fashion student with thrifted pieces, crochet, and scissors hanging from her clothes, and her look draws on Stevie Nicks and Twiggy. She also talks about getting Elizabeth Banks’s blessing for the role. She goes behind the scenes of her Robert Wun couture premiere look, a tutu with a battery-powered spinning ballerina, worn with an archival Cartier piece from the year she was born.
They look back at her early Vogue shoots with Grace Coddington, Craig McDean, and Annie Leibovitz, including her June 2017 cover for Sofia Coppola’s The Beguiled. Elle compares Grace and Sofia as visual storytellers. She also talks about her creative partnership with her longtime stylist Samantha McMillen, mood boards and sketches for designers like Alessandro Michele, and the outfit she would build a whole film around.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Carine Roitfeld: Safe Is Boring
For a decade as editor-in-chief of Vogue Paris, Carine Roitfeld made fashion feel dangerous again: provocative, sensual, and unapologetic. Then she walked away from the most coveted job in fashion to launch CR …
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For a decade as editor-in-chief of Vogue Paris, Carine Roitfeld made fashion feel dangerous again: provocative, sensual, and unapologetic. Then she walked away from the most coveted job in fashion to launch CR Fashion Book and prove the vision was always hers.
Jill sits down with Carine to trace her path. She grew up in Paris, where David Bowie taught her English and style. She made her first “combat look” from flea market military surplus during May ‘68. She spent 15 years at French Elle, starting with the knitting page. Carine talks about her 20-year partnership with Mario Testino, and about helping Tom Ford turn Gucci into a sexy, chic private club with the famous G campaign. She remembers the covers at Vogue Paris that nearly got her fired. She also looks back on her decade with Karl Lagerfeld, the friend who never forgot to send flowers and who told her the most important thing is to surprise people.
Carine still regrets not fighting for, why instinct can’t be taught, and why she’s always protected the young models she works with. She also shares her plans for Le Grand Bal, a deliberately not politically correct answer to the Met Gala, and for a foundation to house and support young fashion students from modest backgrounds. Plus: seven rapid-fire this-or-that questions.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.From House of Z to Gap Inc.: Zac Posen Goes Rogue
When Zac Posen’s company closed in 2019, he spent weeks sitting by the fire. He grieved in a way he never had before and watched social media fill with what felt like public epitaphs for a life he wasn’t done …
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When Zac Posen’s company closed in 2019, he spent weeks sitting by the fire. He grieved in a way he never had before and watched social media fill with what felt like public epitaphs for a life he wasn’t done living. He had lost his staff, his archive and the rights to his own name. For the first time since he was 22, he stayed in one place long enough to watch the seasons change.
Jill's known Zac for more than 20 years, from borrowing dresses out of his atelier to helping get Christina Ricci out of a corset at the Met. In this conversation she asks him what all of it taught him. They talk about growing up in a SoHo loft with no bedroom walls and a painter father whose studio took up half the space, being held back a year with dyslexia, and dropping out of school at 19 because opportunity wouldn’t wait. Zac opens up about the people-pleasing that made him “too good a partner” to everyone but himself, and about going back to the mannequin in his father’s studio when he had nowhere else to work.
That quiet stretch led to a phone call nobody saw coming and to his job today running creative across Gap Inc. He talks about what it feels like to lead at that scale, and why the kid who was born to make things is still learning every day.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Previously on Going Rogue: The Season 1 Recap
With season two launching next week, Jill borrows a page from television and looks back at some of her favorite moments from season one of Going Rogue. Writer Jonathan Van Meter, whose new book Citizen Kim is …
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With season two launching next week, Jill borrows a page from television and looks back at some of her favorite moments from season one of Going Rogue.
Writer Jonathan Van Meter, whose new book Citizen Kim is out October 27, recalls interviewing both Jennifer Aniston and Angelina Jolie. Hair stylist Orlando Pita shares the last-minute cancellation that launched his career, and Tonne Goodman remembers her unlikely start as a model. Photographer Steven Klein talks about honesty in images built on fiction, Phyllis Posnick tells some of her funniest Helmut Newton stories, and Nick Knight, founder of SHOWstudio, explains why artists need to embrace new technology. Mark Seliger revisits his first Nirvana cover for Rolling Stone and the small favor he asked of Kurt Cobain. Grace Coddington and Karen Mulligan reminisce about a Paris shoot with Ben Stiller and Annie Leibovitz, Norman Jean Roy explains why he has never needed a backup plan, and season one finale guest Priyanka Chopra Jonas talks about forgiving her younger self.
Season two kicks off next Friday with designer and Gap Inc. creative director Zac Posen
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Edward Enninful on Building EE72, Six Rihanna Covers, and Life After British Vogue
Jill sits down with Edward Enninful, the former British Vogue editor-in-chief who left the top of the masthead to build his own house. One year into EE72, the media and entertainment company he founded with his …
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Jill sits down with Edward Enninful, the former British Vogue editor-in-chief who left the top of the masthead to build his own house. One year into EE72, the media and entertainment company he founded with his sister Akua, Enninful closes out 72 Magazine's first year with Rihanna on the cover, their sixth collaboration across W, British Vogue, and now 72. He and Jill trace their shared history from American Vogue in 2006 through the 40-icon British Vogue finale, then go deep on the new cover: the queen concept, photographer Szilveszter Makó's hand-painted backdrops, and why every Rihanna shoot happens overnight. Along the way: the '90s versus now, social media and the death of the curator, his Tate exhibition, advice for young creatives, and what he calls "the big flat," the collapse of silos between fashion, art, film, and music. Plus rogue rapid fire and a Prince versus Beyoncé question with only one possible answer.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network."Channel Your Best Andrea Sachs": Six Real Assistants of Vogue
With The Devil Wears Prada 2 hitting theaters this week, Jill pulls together moments from six former guests who actually lived the job, assisting Anna Wintour, André Leon Talley, Tonne Goodman, and Vogue's …
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With The Devil Wears Prada 2 hitting theaters this week, Jill pulls together moments from six former guests who actually lived the job, assisting Anna Wintour, André Leon Talley, Tonne Goodman, and Vogue's other most demanding desks. Leslie Fremar (yes, the real Emily), Brian Coats, Gabriella Karefa-Johnson, Edward Barsamian, Andrew Bevan, and Karla Martínez de Salas on the 18 trunks through customs, the faxes, the $10 lunch budgets, the run-throughs, and the sink-or-swim moments that built six remarkable careers. What Andrea Sachs couldn't handle in a day, these six did for years.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.The Devil Wears Prada: A Book, Two Movies, and Jill Demling
In a role reversal, Ned Martel takes the mic to interview Jill about her two decades at Vogue, timed to the release of The Devil Wears Prada 2. As the assistant who hired Lauren Weisberger, and the woman who …
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In a role reversal, Ned Martel takes the mic to interview Jill about her two decades at Vogue, timed to the release of The Devil Wears Prada 2. As the assistant who hired Lauren Weisberger, and the woman who turns up on page 21 of the novel, Jill has a firsthand stake in a story the culture keeps retelling. She walks Ned through the day the galley arrived, Anna's pivot from private hurt to public ownership of the movie, and her own running defense of the leather pants.
From there the conversation opens into an oral history of the job. Jill describes Vogue in 1998: no iPhones, twenty-five handwritten phone messages waiting every morning, a diary read upside-down across the desk, and a telepathy with Anna so refined that hearing her own name was sometimes the whole question. She lays out the Monday fashion, Tuesday features, Thursday scheduling choreography, and the creative friction between Grace Coddington, Camilla Nickerson, and Anna that produced stories no other magazine could match.
Jill and Ned trade stories about the September 2006 Marie Antoinette cover at Versailles, the La La Land campaign and the notes Anna accidentally sent to Damien Chazelle, the cautionary tale of The Shipping News, the Lady Gaga anniversary issue, and the Chanel sunglasses Jill hunted across every Four Seasons gift shop in the country. She reflects on what she inherited from Anna: efficiency, anticipation, and the refusal to take no for an answer. The episode closes with Anna's own going-away speech for Jill, read aloud for the first time.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.(From the archive) Celebrity Whisperer: Jonathan Van Meter pulls back the curtain on his extraordinary career interviewing Hollywood's elite.
(From the archive) Jill chats with legendary journalist Jonathan Van Meter, whose byline has graced the pages of Vogue, Vanity Fair, and The New York Times. Jonathan pulls back the curtain on his extraordinary …
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(From the archive)
Jill chats with legendary journalist Jonathan Van Meter, whose byline has graced the pages of Vogue, Vanity Fair, and The New York Times. Jonathan pulls back the curtain on his extraordinary career interviewing Hollywood's elite—from emotional exchanges with Angelina Jolie to unforgettable moments with Jennifer Aniston and Lady Gaga.From his humble beginnings studying theater to becoming the founding editor of Vibe magazine, Jonathan shares the pivotal moments that shaped his journalistic journey. Discover his secrets for creating the perfect interview environment, the challenges in profiling celebrities, and the decisions that led to his most powerful work.
This episode offers a masterclass in profile writing and a behind-the-scenes look at the vulnerable moments that never make it to print
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Priyanka Chopra Jonas on Bollywood, Hollywood, and the Long Road to Quantico
In the Season one finale of Going Rogue, Jill Demling is joined by co-host Edward Barsamian to talk with Priyanka Chopra Jonas during her press tour for The Bluff, discussing her "pirate core" fashion choices …
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In the Season one finale of Going Rogue, Jill Demling is joined by co-host Edward Barsamian to talk with Priyanka Chopra Jonas during her press tour for The Bluff, discussing her "pirate core" fashion choices, including wearing a customized film breastplate on the red carpet. Priyanka reflects on learning confidence through her parents' emphasis on agency, her military-family upbringing, and experiences of racism while living in the U.S. as a teen before returning to India. She recounts entering Miss India at her brother's urging, winning Miss World, and building a major Bollywood career before moving to Hollywood at 30 and feeling forced to start from zero, resisting "diversity check" roles and landing Quantico. The conversation covers her relationship with Vogue, becoming the first Indian woman on American Vogue's cover, the bittersweet nature of being "first," and her evolving style, brand partnerships, motherhood, and legacy.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.From Met Gala to Vogue: Edward Barsamian's Celebrity Fashion World (rerelease)
Jill re-releases a chat with her friend and colleague Edward Barsamian to explore his fascinating decade-long journey through fashion media. Edward shares stories from his impressive career path, starting as a …
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Jill re-releases a chat with her friend and colleague Edward Barsamian to explore his fascinating decade-long journey through fashion media. Edward shares stories from his impressive career path, starting as a style director at Vogue where he closely followed airport looks and red carpet appearances of stars like Amal Clooney and Zoe Kravitz, then moving into the digital world of celebrity fashion coverage.
The conversation covers Edward's early Vogue years, his time at Gilt Group and The New York Times Style Magazine, and his return to Vogue in a major digital position. Edward recounts his experiences at glamorous events like the Golden Globes and Met Gala, where he interviewed celebrities and helped drive the digital transformation of fashion reporting. He reflects on the changing landscape of fashion media while sharing behind-the-scenes moments with high-profile figures including Kim Kardashian, Rihanna, and Kendall Jenner.
Later, as Edward moved to Victoria Beckham, he opens up about the unique challenges of bringing a brand's voice to life across digital channels. This episode delivers practical career insights, observations on fashion's evolution, and solid advice for newcomers to the field. Perfect for fashion lovers and anyone interested in breaking into the industry.Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Trading Places as Edward Barsamian Takes the Mic to Get Jill Demling to Spill
In this special episode of Going Rogue, the tables are turned as Edward Barsamian steps in as host, putting Jill in the guest seat for an unscripted conversation. The two first met on a Vogue shoot with Blake …
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In this special episode of Going Rogue, the tables are turned as Edward Barsamian steps in as host, putting Jill in the guest seat for an unscripted conversation. The two first met on a Vogue shoot with Blake Lively in 2009 and worked together for six years at the magazine. Less than a year into launching Going Rogue, Jill steps away from behind the microphone to share her own story, from her unconventional path into fashion to her nearly two decades shaping celebrity culture at American Vogue. Jill traces her journey from a math major at Colgate who wore Betsy Johnson catsuits to upstate New York bars, to a temp worker in LA who accidentally wandered into Rob Reiner's private bathroom, to landing a dream job as Anna Wintour's assistant without knowing who Anna Wintour was. She reveals the strategic thinking behind cover selection, the delicate dance of negotiating with publicists and studios, and how she helped transform British Vogue into a global competitor during her collaboration with Edward Enninful. Beyond the glamour and legendary shoots at places like Versailles, Jill opens up about what inspired her to create a podcast, why she ultimately left Vogue after 19 years, and what excites her about working with independent publications, including Edward Enninful's EE72 and Carine Roitfeld's CR Fashion Book. It's a rare chance to hear the woman behind the microphone tell her own story.
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The Education of a Stylist: Natasha Royt on Vogue, Instinct, and Going Solo
Jill sits down with stylist Natasha Royt, who cut her teeth under two of fashion's most formidable editors, Phyllis Posnick and Camilla Nickerson. Natasha takes us inside her years at Vogue, where she worked …
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Jill sits down with stylist Natasha Royt, who cut her teeth under two of fashion's most formidable editors, Phyllis Posnick and Camilla Nickerson. Natasha takes us inside her years at Vogue, where she worked alongside photographers Irving Penn and Helmut Newton, and opens up about the long process of stepping out from under those towering influences to develop a creative identity of her own. She talks about the tension between precision and instinct in image-making, the holistic philosophy she brings to both her work and her life, and what she's seeing in fashion's shifting landscape. Plus, Natasha introduces her new Substack, First Option, a newsletter bringing together sharp shopping advice, styling know-how, and lifestyle inspiration, all filtered through her dual life as a veteran fashion stylist, devoted yogi, and spiritual seeker.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Inside Supermodel Karen Elson's World: Legendary Collaborations and Creative Rebellion
Karen Elson shares her remarkable journey from an unconventional supermodel to a musician, activist, and aspiring actor. Known for her signature pale skin, red hair, and unique beauty, Karen made waves in the …
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Karen Elson shares her remarkable journey from an unconventional supermodel to a musician, activist, and aspiring actor. Known for her signature pale skin, red hair, and unique beauty, Karen made waves in the fashion industry by gracing over 30 international Vogue covers and walking the runways for major designers like McQueen, Chanel, and Versace. She discusses her early struggles with bullying and an eating disorder, finding solace and inspiration in fashion magazines. Jill delves into Karen’s transformative experiences with iconic photographers like Steven Meisel, Tim Walker, and Peter Lindbergh, highlighting her collaborative spirit and willingness to push boundaries. Karen also touches on her activism work, including fighting for models' rights and her insights into the shifts within the fashion industry.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Breaking Boundaries: Nicola Formichetti on Fashion, Gaga, and Fearless Creativity
Jill sits down with visionary creative director Nicola Formichetti for an conversation about his journey through the fashion world. Known for his work with Lady Gaga, his tenure at Diesel, and his current role …
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Jill sits down with visionary creative director Nicola Formichetti for an conversation about his journey through the fashion world. Known for his work with Lady Gaga, his tenure at Diesel, and his current role at MAC Cosmetics, Nicola opens up about the experiences that shaped his approach to fashion and creativity. Nicola takes us back to his early days exploring the flea markets of Rome and traces his path to working at the highest levels of global fashion. He gets real about his boundary-pushing approach to creativity and why embracing mistakes has been key to his success. Nicola sharing what it was really like creating some of fashion's most memorable imagery with photographers like Nick Knight and Steven Klein. Nicola also talks about his current role at MAC Cosmetics, where he's bringing his vision to beauty and fashion. He's all breaking rules, challenging the status quo, and trusting your creative instincts, even when you're not sure where you're headed.
Along the way, Nicola mentions the people who've shaped his path, including his mother, Alister Mackie, Katie Grand, Katy England, Jefferson Hack, Kim Jones, Gwen Stefani, Richard Burbridge, Miles Aldridge, Anna Cockburn, Tomo Koizumi, Eugene Tong, and James Gager.
For anyone interested in innovation, creative courage, and authentic self-expression in fashion and beyond, this conversation offers plenty to think about.
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A Conversation with Stefan Beckman: Building Fashion's Iconic Worlds
Jill chats with Stefan Beckman, one of fashion's most influential set designers. Over 25 years, Beckman has created unforgettable environments for Marc Jacobs, Chanel, Prada, and Louis Vuitton while …
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Jill chats with Stefan Beckman, one of fashion's most influential set designers. Over 25 years, Beckman has created unforgettable environments for Marc Jacobs, Chanel, Prada, and Louis Vuitton while collaborating with photography icons Steven Meisel, Peter Lindbergh, Steven Klein, Tim Walker, Craig McDean, Herb Ritts, and Fabian Baron. Stefan traces his path from theater and film school to becoming fashion's go-to set designer, revealing the creative process behind landmark fashion shows and editorial shoots. He discusses how his formative years shaped his visual approach and shares his perspective on where set design is headed as the industry transforms. Stefan recounts memorable moments with Whitney Houston, Notorious B.I.G., Cher, JLo, the Rolling Stones, LL Cool J, Jamie Foxx, Gwyneth Paltrow, Winona Ryder, Gisele Bündchen, Renee Zellweger, Amber Valletta, Matt Damon, Jake Gyllenhaal, Daria Werbowy, Kate Hudson, Owen Wilson, Rihanna, Billie Eilish, Angelina Jolie, and Beyoncé. Check out the video on our YouTube channel with many of the images discussed in this episode
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Jill sits down with writer and editor, Ned Martel, who shares his experiences working with two of the most daring magazine experiments of our time, George Magazine with John F. Kennedy Jr., and Men's Vogue …
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Jill sits down with writer and editor, Ned Martel, who shares his experiences working with two of the most daring magazine experiments of our time, George Magazine with John F. Kennedy Jr., and Men's Vogue under Jay Fielden. What made these publications revolutionary, the cultural and creative challenges they faced, and the eventual shuttering of both titles. Martel also opens up about the personal impacts of losing close friends and navigating the media landscape as a gay man. Martel offers insights into the history of magazines, journalism, and ambitious storytelling.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Fashion's Invisible Hand: A Conversation with Paul Cavaco
For over four decades, Paul Cavaco has been fashion's invisible hand, the editor who shapes the iconic images we see but rarely thinks about who made them possible. In this episode, Jill sits down with Paul to …
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For over four decades, Paul Cavaco has been fashion's invisible hand, the editor who shapes the iconic images we see but rarely thinks about who made them possible. In this episode, Jill sits down with Paul to talk about his work at Harper's Bazaar, Vogue, and Allure, and what it takes to create images that actually mean something. He shares stories about collaborating with photographers like Richard Avedon, Steven Meisel, Annie Leibovitz, and Bruce Weber, and explains the chemistry between editors and photographers that turns a photo shoot into something memorable. Paul also talks about the difference between style and trends, his path from the Bronx to the center of American fashion, and how the industry has changed over the years.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Revisiting Tonne Goodman's Vogue Legacy
Note: This re-released episode from June 2025 features Tonne Goodman, longtime fashion director at American Vogue who styled over 200 covers, most with Jill. Tonne witnessed fashion's seismic shift from …
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Note: This re-released episode from June 2025 features Tonne Goodman, longtime fashion director at American Vogue who styled over 200 covers, most with Jill. Tonne witnessed fashion's seismic shift from photographer-first covers to celebrity-driven ones, working under Liz Tilberis at Harper's Bazaar and Anna Wintour at Vogue. This episode returns now because next week's guest, Paul Cavaco, shares a deeply intertwined career with Tonne. They were co-fashion directors at Bazaar before Tonne took over when Paul left for Allure. Like her signature uniform of white jeans, loafers, and a silk scarf, Tonne's work has always been about clarity over noise.
Tonne shares her path from art school and early modeling to working with Calvin Klein before joining American Vogue, where she was mentored by the legendary Diana Vreeland. She recounts behind-the-scenes stories from high-profile celebrity shoots featuring stars like Angelina Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Britney Spears, and discusses her collaborations with top photographers including Mario Testino, Steven Meisel, Herb Ritts, and Annie Leibovitz. As they explore her career, Tonne emphasizes the collaborative spirit essential to successful fashion shoots and her diplomatic approach to managing complex productions. Drawing from her own experience as a former model, she reveals her fierce commitment to advocating for and protecting the talent she works with.
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Send us your questions or comments by calling us at 518-21-ROGUEThe Making of Makeup Artist Francelle Daly, A Story of Passion and Perseverance
Jill chats with Francelle Daly, a renowned New Orleans-born makeup artist whose journey to the top was fueled by pure hustle and determination. Beginning her career at the Saks makeup counter, Francelle quickly …
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Jill chats with Francelle Daly, a renowned New Orleans-born makeup artist whose journey to the top was fueled by pure hustle and determination. Beginning her career at the Saks makeup counter, Francelle quickly scaled the ranks, working on sets with legendary photographers like Annie Leibovitz and Craig McDean. Francelle shares the story of her unconventional path, her resilience in the face of industry challenges, and her experiences working on high-stakes projects like a celebrity cruise campaign during the pandemic. Francelle also delves into her collaboration with iconic figures such as Grace Coddington and Phyllis Posnick, and the creative freedom she experiences working with independent magazines. She talks about the inception and philosophy behind her brand, Lovecraft Beauty, a venture that aims to build a creative community. Francelle shares lessons on perseverance, innovation, and the power of following one's passion.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Inside Nick Knight's Vision: The Past, Present, and Future of Fashion Imagery
Join Jill for a conversation with iconic image maker Nick Knight. For over 40 years, Knight has redefined fashion imagery, working with i-D, Vogue, and W. From documenting street culture and collaborating with …
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Join Jill for a conversation with iconic image maker Nick Knight. For over 40 years, Knight has redefined fashion imagery, working with i-D, Vogue, and W. From documenting street culture and collaborating with Yohji Yamamoto, Linda Evangelista, and British Vogue to founding SHOWstudio and creating projects with Alexander McQueen, Björk, Lady Gaga, and Kanye West, Knight has transformed how fashion is seen and experienced. He discusses his philosophy that photography is about creating what you want to see rather than capturing reality, addressing digital photography, AI, and the importance of moving forward. Reflections on past collaborations and thoughts on the future of fashion and technology.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Master Hairstylist Garren on Five Decades of Fashion, From Avedon to Instagram
Jill talks with Garren, the legendary hairstylist who shaped fashion history over five decades. From his modest beginnings in a basement salon in Niagara Falls to becoming a fixture at Bergdorf Goodman and a …
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Jill talks with Garren, the legendary hairstylist who shaped fashion history over five decades. From his modest beginnings in a basement salon in Niagara Falls to becoming a fixture at Bergdorf Goodman and a trusted creative partner to photographers like Irving Penn, Richard Avedon, and Steven Meisel, Garren's journey is nothing short of extraordinary. They explore his work on transformative looks: Farrah Fawcett's feathered waves, Linda Evangelista's endless reinventions, and signature styles for Victoria Beckham and Karlie Kloss. Garren reflects on his collaborative relationships with fashion greats including Patrick Demarchelier, Bill King, and Arthur Elgort, plus challenging editorial shoots with Polly Mellen, Phyllis Posnick, Grace Coddington, and Tonne Goodman. From the evolution of hairstyling and the importance of mentorship to the industry's shift in the Instagram and AI era, it's a master class in fashion history for anyone who loves the craft.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Versha Sharma Revisited: What Disappeared When Teen Vogue Was Folded
Note: This is a re-released episode from June 2025. When Jill sat down with Versha Sharma, she was Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue. Since then, Condé Nast has folded Teen Vogue into vogue.com, eliminating the …
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Note: This is a re-released episode from June 2025. When Jill sat down with Versha Sharma, she was Editor-in-Chief of Teen Vogue. Since then, Condé Nast has folded Teen Vogue into vogue.com, eliminating the masthead entirely. Sharma's job and the editorial identity she built were swept away in that restructuring, which is exactly why this conversation feels even more relevant now.
Jill sits down with Versha Sharma for the story of her climb to EIC at one of America's most influential youth publications. Drawing from her Louisiana upbringing as the daughter of Indian immigrants, Sharma opens up about the feelings of otherness that fueled her passion for amplifying marginalized voices. The conversation traces her path from Obama's 2008 campaign through her evolution into journalism and her leadership at Teen Vogue during COVID-19 and the social justice reckoning of 2020.
Sharma describes the strategic evolution she guided, from embracing digital-first publishing to prioritizing video content for Gen Z audiences. The episode highlights groundbreaking editorial choices under her guidance, including features on Vivian Wilson, Elon Musk's transgender daughter, and Representative Maxwell Frost, the first Gen Z member of Congress.
Listening back, this conversation is a reminder of what leadership actually looks like in media and how much is lost when the industry sidelines the voices who push it forward.Follow on Instagram and Threads at @goingrogue.podcast and @jilldemling
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Steven Klein on Breaking Rules, Beauty, and His Vogue Legacy
Jill speaks with iconic artist and photographer Steven Klein for an intimate exploration of his groundbreaking career. Renowned for his transgressive, culturally resonant imagery, Klein discusses his new book …
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Jill speaks with iconic artist and photographer Steven Klein for an intimate exploration of his groundbreaking career. Renowned for his transgressive, culturally resonant imagery, Klein discusses his new book 'Steven Klein Vogue,' which chronicles two decades of boundary-pushing work within mainstream fashion photography. The conversation traces his journey from his Rhode Island upbringing through his transformative collaborations with Anna Wintour, Grace Coddington, Phyllis Posnick, Garren, Kate Betts, and Liz Tilberis at Vogue. Klein reflects on working with legendary figures including Alexander McQueen, Madonna, Prince, Pat McGrath, Angelina Jolie, Nicole Kidman, Beyoncé, Rihanna, Gisele Bündchen, Brad Pitt, and countless other luminaries who have shaped contemporary fashion and culture.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.From Bloomingdale's Windows to Vogue's Inner Circle with Candy Pratts Price
Jill chats with legendary fashion insider Candy Pratts Price, whose decades-long career has left an indelible mark on the industry. From revolutionizing Bloomingdale's windows to pioneering digital fashion …
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Jill chats with legendary fashion insider Candy Pratts Price, whose decades-long career has left an indelible mark on the industry. From revolutionizing Bloomingdale's windows to pioneering digital fashion journalism at style.com to serving as Anna Wintour's right hand at Vogue, Candy has been a transformative force behind fashion's biggest cultural moments. She shares her journey from Washington Heights to the industry's highest echelons, offering her unique philosophy on fashion as entertainment and reflecting on how the cultural landscape has evolved throughout her career. Through personal anecdotes and hard-won insights, Candy reveals what it takes to modernize an industry while remaining one of its most powerful yet unseen influencers. For visuals discussed in the episode, visit the Going Rogue podcast's Instagram.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.Jawara Wauchope on Representation and Hair Artistry
Jill talks with Jawara Wauchope about his journey, whose passion for hairstyling began at age six, sweeping floors in a Kingston salon and eventually transforming his sister into a music video muse. Born in …
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Jill talks with Jawara Wauchope about his journey, whose passion for hairstyling began at age six, sweeping floors in a Kingston salon and eventually transforming his sister into a music video muse. Born in Brooklyn and raised in Jamaica until he was ten, Jawara returned to Queens and pursued an unconventional path through salon apprenticeships and the Fashion Institute of Technology (FIT). After years assisting fashion legends like Guido Palau, Sam McKnight, Luigi Murenu, and Paul Hanlon, he mastered techniques for working with any hair type at the highest level. His breakthrough came in 2013 when he went solo. From Vogue covers to Beyoncé's Renaissance shoot for British Vogue and Rihanna's first pregnancy reveal for American Vogue, Jawara hasn't just broken barriers: he's championed representation and elevated Black hair artistry to the forefront of fashion.
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Jill chats with Mickey Boardman, also known as Mr. Mickey, the cultural tastemaker and heart of Paper Magazine for the past three decades. From his beginnings as a kid in suburban Illinois obsessed with glamor …
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Jill chats with Mickey Boardman, also known as Mr. Mickey, the cultural tastemaker and heart of Paper Magazine for the past three decades. From his beginnings as a kid in suburban Illinois obsessed with glamor to becoming New York's most beloved cultural tastemaker, Mickey shares his journey, including insights into the famous Kim Kardashian 'Break the Internet' cover, his unique editorial vision, and his passion for celebrating creativity and authenticity. Through stories of his early work, internships, and transformative moments at Paper, Mickey reveals how he embraced his uniqueness and helped shape the magazine industry.
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Jill welcomes Law Roach, the visionary stylist who transformed Zendaya into a fashion icon. As the first Black stylist to top the Hollywood Reporter's power list and win the CFDA's Inaugural Stylist Award, Law …
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Jill welcomes Law Roach, the visionary stylist who transformed Zendaya into a fashion icon. As the first Black stylist to top the Hollywood Reporter's power list and win the CFDA's Inaugural Stylist Award, Law traces his evolution from Chicago's South Side to founding Deliciously Vintage to becoming one of fashion's most influential voices. He reveals the psychology driving his distinctive styling approach, explains his revolutionary concept of method dressing, and shares the personal mantras that fuel his work. Discover how his partnership with Zendaya began, the strategies he used to overcome industry gatekeeping, and why he believes magazines remain essential to a stylist's success. Law's philosophy on confidence and his rule-breaking approach to fashion offer a masterclass in reshaping an industry. Jill’s conversation captures the vision and legacy of a stylist who fundamentally changed the game.
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Jill welcomes a pioneering hair artist whose work has shaped the industry for almost forty years. Julien d'Ys has graced the pages of Vogue, styled iconic supermodels, and showcased his artistry at the Met …
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Jill welcomes a pioneering hair artist whose work has shaped the industry for almost forty years. Julien d'Ys has graced the pages of Vogue, styled iconic supermodels, and showcased his artistry at the Met Costume Institute in New York. Celebrated for transcending conventional boundaries, Julien has elevated hair into an art form that fuses fantasy, historical references, and sculptural vision. Julien reflects on his creative path, his partnerships with legendary photographers including Steven Meisel, Irving Penn, and Peter Lindbergh, and the artistic influences spanning surrealism, history, and pure imagination that fuel his work. He discusses his approach to beauty and creativity, the formative experiences that shaped his career, and his unforgettable contributions to fashion's most iconic moments.
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Going Rogue is part of the Radio Free Rhinecliff media network.From Club Kid to Pop Culture Kingpin: Drew Elliot's Blueprint for Breaking the Internet
Jill chats with Drew Elliot, the visionary cultural architect who transformed entertainment media from the inside out. From his roots as an entertainment-obsessed kid in Indiana to becoming the creative force …
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Jill chats with Drew Elliot, the visionary cultural architect who transformed entertainment media from the inside out. From his roots as an entertainment-obsessed kid in Indiana to becoming the creative force who popularized "Break the Internet" and turned it into a cultural phenomenon, Drew's journey is a masterclass in cultural disruption. Explore Drew's groundbreaking tenure at Paper Magazine, where he orchestrated iconic moments with A-list celebrities that helped define digital culture. He shares the philosophy behind his success: surrounding himself with geniuses, demolishing creative boundaries, and cultivating an inclusive environment where the next generation of talent can thrive. Drew shares his insights into innovation, creativity, and what it really takes to shape culture in the digital age.
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Jill chats with renowned makeup artist and CEO Gucci Westman. Gucci shares her journey from her unique upbringing on a California ashram to becoming one of Hollywood's most sought-after makeup artists, working …
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Jill chats with renowned makeup artist and CEO Gucci Westman. Gucci shares her journey from her unique upbringing on a California ashram to becoming one of Hollywood's most sought-after makeup artists, working with directors like David Lynch and Michael Bay. They discuss her breakthrough into high-fashion covers and editorial spreads, a pivotal move propelled by Grace Coddington, and her successful leap into entrepreneurship with the launch of her clean luxury beauty brand, Westman Atelier. Join them as they reminisce about memorable celebrity shoots, the evolution of the fashion and beauty industry, and Gucci's passion for creating high-performance, skincare-infused makeup.
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