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NovoThoughts as Thinkers: biology & computer science of inspiration within & without us by Michael Levin31 de outubro de 2026 · 35 min
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A podcast by Professor Michael Levin exploring the frontiers of biology, cognition, and emergence. Engage in conversations about morphogenesis, bioelectricity, and synthetic life — and uncover how intelligence and agency emerge from the most fundamental levels of nature.

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  1. Thoughts as Thinkers: biology & computer science of inspiration within & without us by Michael Levin

    35 min

    This is a ~35 minute talk titled "Thoughts as Thinkers: the biology and computer science of inspiration within and without us" that I gave right before Chris Fields, at a recent philosophy conference. Still …

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    This is a ~35 minute talk titled "Thoughts as Thinkers: the biology and computer science of inspiration within and without us" that I gave right before Chris Fields, at a recent philosophy conference. Still working on different ways to present the concept of patterns as behavioral policies, their origin, and applications of this idea.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Policies of navigation

    (04:40) Biological free lunches

    (10:15) Molecular learning ratchets

    (14:00) Competencies of xenobots

    (20:48) Latent space of patterns

    (27:12) Embodied mathematical minds

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  2. "New Bodies, Unconventional Minds: a continuum of cognition (& consciousness) by Michael Levin

    40 min

    This is a ~39 minute talk titled "New Bodies, Unconventional Minds: a perspective on a continuum of cognition (& consciousness)" for a consciousness conference about our laboratory model systems relevant to the …

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    This is a ~39 minute talk titled "New Bodies, Unconventional Minds: a perspective on a continuum of cognition (& consciousness)" for a consciousness conference about our laboratory model systems relevant to the study of minds, my Platonic Space model, and a few opinions on consciousness (at the end, since I don't have any strong claims about consciousness per se).

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Continuum of novel minds

    (07:11) Molecular networks and learning

    (11:42) Xenobots and anthrobots

    (18:25) Paying for competencies

    (28:21) The space of patterns

    (33:28) Rethinking nature of consciousness

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  3. "Thoughts as Thinkers: the biology & computer science of inspiration" by Michael Levin

    36 min

    This is a ~35 minute talk titled "Thoughts as Thinkers: the biology & computer science of inspiration" I gave at a recent conference.CHAPTERS: (00:00) The nature of inspiration (15:51) Xenobots and novel minds …

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    This is a ~35 minute talk titled "Thoughts as Thinkers: the biology & computer science of inspiration" I gave at a recent conference.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) The nature of inspiration

    (15:51) Xenobots and novel minds

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  4. Bio-inspired technology? #science #biology #platonicspace

    3 min

    This #short is an excerpt from Michael Levin's talk "Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or_3tlEOLj4 produced by https://x.com/DNAMediaEditingCHAPTERS: (00:00) Patterns and …

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    This #short is an excerpt from Michael Levin's talk "Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or_3tlEOLj4

    produced by https://x.com/DNAMediaEditing

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Patterns and free lunches

    (01:01) Questioning biological uniqueness

    (01:48) Competencies beyond the code

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  5. What are we? Concepts for biology and AI #science #biology #diverseintelligence

    2 min

    This #short is an excerpt from Michael Levin's talk "Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or_3tlEOLj4 produced by https://x.com/DNAMediaEditingCHAPTERS: (00:00) Defining …

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    This #short is an excerpt from Michael Levin's talk "Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or_3tlEOLj4

    produced by https://x.com/DNAMediaEditing

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Defining life and machines

    (00:44) Reductionists versus organicists

    (01:35) Rethinking machine metaphors

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  6. "Mind-Body Interface: an experimental and Clinical Perspective" by Michael Levin and Karina Kofman

    1 h 5 min

    This is a ~1 hour and 4 minutes talk + Q&A that my student and collaborator Karina Kofman (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karina-Kofman-2) and I gave to the Society for Mind-Matter Research as a keynote …

    Notas do episódio

    This is a ~1 hour and 4 minutes talk + Q&A that my student and collaborator Karina Kofman (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Karina-Kofman-2) and I gave to the Society for Mind-Matter Research as a keynote talk in acceptance of the best paper for 2025 award (the paper is: https://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/mm/2025/00000023/00000001/art00003).

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Mind and body interface

    (03:44) Embryonic individuation and plasticity

    (21:35) Clinical cases and anomalies

    (41:11) Platonic space of competencies

    (51:39) Audience questions and answers

    (57:19) Categories of platonic forms

    (01:01:18) Patterns and physical embodiment

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  7. "Neuroscience Beyond Neurons: communicating with unconventional minds" by Michael Levin

    1 h 1 min

    This is a ~1 hour talk given at a conference on the philosophy and future of neuroscience, so I oriented it around extending the concept of neuroscience: not the study of neural phenomena, but more broadly …

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    This is a ~1 hour talk given at a conference on the philosophy and future of neuroscience, so I oriented it around extending the concept of neuroscience: not the study of neural phenomena, but more broadly around how neuroscience of neural and non-neural cells shows a model system for understanding collective intelligence, and using morphogenesis as a stepping stone model system to show us how to do behavioral experiments in unconventional cognitive agents. I didn't have time for any of the biomedical applications of these ideas (lots of other talks about that) but alluded at the end to some deep questions around the properties of novel cognitive beings and our framework for addressing it. There was a really good Q&A after which will be put up by the original conference organization when they post their version. I'll link it here when it's up.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Defining unconventional minds

    (10:05) Scaling cognitive light cones

    (15:59) Morphogenesis as collective intelligence

    (25:46) Bioelectricity as cognitive glue

    (36:56) Reprogramming biological pattern memories

    (48:59) Xenobots and synthetic life

    (55:15) Platonic origins of order

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  8. Discussion with Marsha Hewitt (Platonic Space and related ideas)

    1 h 3 min

    This is a ~1 hour 3 minute conversation with Marsha Hewitt (https://www.trinity.utoronto.ca/profiles/hewitt-marsha/), who wanted to clarify some issues around the Platonic Space and related ideas from the …

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    This is a ~1 hour 3 minute conversation with Marsha Hewitt (https://www.trinity.utoronto.ca/profiles/hewitt-marsha/), who wanted to clarify some issues around the Platonic Space and related ideas from the perspective of her teaching students in her philosophy and psychoanalytic psychology of religion class.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Intersecting philosophy and science

    (09:52) Ethics of artificial minds

    (15:47) Structured space of patterns

    (31:20) Embodiment as a filter

    (39:36) Dualism versus monism debate

    (49:51) Agency in developmental biology

    (56:25) Communicating with alien minds

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  9. "Life, Machines, and a Foundation for Synthbiosis" by Michael Levin

    22 min

    This is a ~21-minute talk titled "Life, Machines, and a Foundation for Synthbiosis" that I gave to the Santa Fe Institute (https://santafe.edu/) conference on "Symbiogenesis in the Age of Machine intelligence" …

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    This is a ~21-minute talk titled "Life, Machines, and a Foundation for Synthbiosis" that I gave to the Santa Fe Institute (https://santafe.edu/) conference on "Symbiogenesis in the Age of Machine intelligence" (https://www.santafe.edu/events/symbiogenesis-in-the-age-of-machine-intelligence-2027", September 17 and 18, 2026)

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Space of embodied minds

    (03:03) Rewriting bioelectric set points

    (06:08) Xenobots and novel beings

    (12:04) Molecular networks and learning

    (15:26) Mathematics as information source

    (18:38) Exploring anatomical morphospace

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  10. Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence by Michael Levin

    53 min

    "Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence: what we know and don't know about embodied minds" - a 53-minute talk I gave on what the field of diverse intelligence has to say to AI research (to an audience of …

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    "Biology, AI, and Diverse Intelligence: what we know and don't know about embodied minds" - a 53-minute talk I gave on what the field of diverse intelligence has to say to AI research (to an audience of non-experts in AI, so it's not very technical on that end). I tried to go a little slower and explain more of the basics and logic.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Defining life and machines

    (04:16) Expanding the Eden view

    (07:41) Collective cellular intelligence

    (15:16) Bioelectricity and goal memories

    (22:08) Xenobots and novel beings

    (31:03) Causal emergence and math

    (41:58) Robotics and cognitive prosthetics

    (47:48) Communicating with diverse minds

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    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  11. A conversation with Andrey Vyshedskiy about the evolution of language and brain development

    59 min

    This is a ~1 hour conversation with Andrey Vyshedskiy (https://www.bu.edu/prsocial/profile/andrey-vyshedskiy/) about the evolution of language, brain mechanisms, implications for autism and developmental …

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    This is a ~1 hour conversation with Andrey Vyshedskiy (https://www.bu.edu/prsocial/profile/andrey-vyshedskiy/) about the evolution of language, brain mechanisms, implications for autism and developmental disorders, and Andrey's work to develop therapeutic approaches.



    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Syntactic language network development

    (05:37) Three levels of comprehension

    (28:55) Neurobiology of sensitive periods

    (36:46) Recognizing the syntactic phenotype

    (42:24) Theory of mind mechanisms

    (48:51) Future levels of intelligence



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  12. Conversation #1 with Diego Bohórquez and Mijail D. Serruya: how information moves levels in bodies

    59 min

    This is a ~59 minute working meeting where I introduce two very interesting neuroscientists to each other - Diego Bohórquez (https://medicine.duke.edu/profile/diego-v-bohorquez) and Mijail D. Serruya …

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    This is a ~59 minute working meeting where I introduce two very interesting neuroscientists to each other - Diego Bohórquez (https://medicine.duke.edu/profile/diego-v-bohorquez) and Mijail D. Serruya (https://www.jefferson.edu/academics/colleges-schools-institutes/skmc/departments/neurology/faculty/serruya.html) and we discuss ideas around how information moves from the molecular to the behavioral level in bodies and how we might be able to interface with that system via technologies that could lead to biomedical applications and deep insight into diverse intelligence. At the end we discuss one such application briefly - McConnell's professor-burgers.



    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Gut brain biology foundations

    (13:28) Neural interfaces and organoids

    (26:18) Information across biological levels

    (32:41) Environmental sensing and placebo

    (47:32) Translating internal biological dialogue

    (54:23) Collaborative next steps



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  13. Conversation #1 with Steven Strogatz

    56 min

    This is a ~56 minute conversation with mathematician Steven Strogatz (https://www.stevenstrogatz.com/) covering issues of explanation in mathematics, Platonism, and related questions.CHAPTERS: (00:00) …

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    This is a ~56 minute conversation with mathematician Steven Strogatz (https://www.stevenstrogatz.com/) covering issues of explanation in mathematics, Platonism, and related questions.



    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Mathematical explanation and AI

    (07:28) Reductionism across scientific fields

    (11:04) Intuition and mathematical deduction

    (18:31) Geometry versus algebraic thinking

    (24:32) Euler and negative logarithms

    (29:38) Mathematical anomalies and patterns

    (36:26) Scale of mathematical constants

    (46:55) Nature of fundamental constants

    (50:08) Pi beyond simple circles



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  14. "Inspiration Across Substrates: free lunches, diverse intelligence and surprise" by Michael Levin

    52 min

    This is a ~52 minute talk on inspiration across substrates and my model of "free lunches" and the Platonic space.CHAPTERS: (00:00) The concept of inspiration (03:47) Defining the free lunch (08:47) Surprising …

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    This is a ~52 minute talk on inspiration across substrates and my model of "free lunches" and the Platonic space.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) The concept of inspiration

    (03:47) Defining the free lunch

    (08:47) Surprising biological plasticity

    (14:33) Causal emergence in networks

    (17:05) Competencies of synthetic organisms

    (25:37) Computational free lunches

    (33:50) Navigating diverse problem spaces

    (38:53) The platonic cognitive space

    (44:00) Ingressions and active patterns

    (50:16) Future of ethical symbiosis

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  15. Conversation #1 with Alexey Tolchinsky, Anthony Weiss and Chris Fields

    1 h 2 min

    This is a ~1 hour conversation on the future of mental health from the perspective of the diverse intelligence field, with Alexey Tolchinsky (https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=tiBKmrsAAAAJ&view_op= …

    Notas do episódio

    This is a ~1 hour conversation on the future of mental health from the perspective of the diverse intelligence field, with Alexey Tolchinsky (https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=tiBKmrsAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate), Anthony Weiss (https://www.anthonypweiss.com/about-anthony-weiss), and Chris Fields (https://chrisfieldsresearch.com/).

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Psychiatry's stalled progress

    (04:54) Faulty mental models

    (11:36) Tools and treatment goals

    (24:06) Nonlinear living systems

    (31:21) Energy shaping agency

    (41:51) Technology entangles minds

    (53:08) Effort and agentic models

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  16. Conversation #1 with

    1 h 1 min

    This is a ~1 hour working meeting with Thomas Pollak (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/thomas-pollak, https://drtompollak.substack.com/) and David King (https://profiles.stanford.edu/361883 …

    Notas do episódio

    This is a ~1 hour working meeting with Thomas Pollak (https://www.kcl.ac.uk/people/thomas-pollak, https://drtompollak.substack.com/) and David King (https://profiles.stanford.edu/361883, https://breakingconvention.co.uk/performers/dave-king) about the intersection of neuroscience, mental health, and diverse intelligence research.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Agency in psychiatry

    (05:14) Mental real estate

    (10:31) Internal agency mechanics

    (21:43) Dissociation and multiplicity

    (30:04) Interfaces and inspiration

    (38:43) Signals and prostheses

    (48:18) Psychedelics and entities

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    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  17. "Diverse Intelligence: new frontier for Origins, Possibilities, and Diseases of Minds by" M. Levin

    54 min

    This is a ~54 minute talk titled "Diverse Intelligence: a new frontier for Origins, Possibilities, and Diseases of the Mind(s)" which I gave for an audience composed of mental health professionals and …

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    This is a ~54 minute talk titled "Diverse Intelligence: a new frontier for Origins, Possibilities, and Diseases of the Mind(s)" which I gave for an audience composed of mental health professionals and neuroscientists.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Roadmap and stakes

    (04:13) Minds as continuum

    (08:04) Diverse intelligence framework

    (11:12) Biological plasticity examples

    (18:18) Morphogenesis as intelligence

    (22:31) Multiscale cellular agency

    (26:39) Anatomical problem solving

    (32:40) Ancient bioelectric networks

    (35:34) Communicating somatic goals

    (42:02) Cancer and medicine

    (46:37) Novel living agents

    (51:56) Ethics and summary

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  18. "Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs" by Martin Picard

    57 min

    This is a ~57 minute talk titled "Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs: the mitochondrial daily energy expenditure MDEE study" by Martin Picard (https://www.neurology.columbia.edu/profile/martin-picard-phd) and a …

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    This is a ~57 minute talk titled "Energy Constraints and Tradeoffs: the mitochondrial daily energy expenditure MDEE study" by Martin Picard (https://www.neurology.columbia.edu/profile/martin-picard-phd) and a brief set of ideas by me at the end, presaging a full discussion of this for our next meeting.

    I mentioned these 2 papers:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303264722001435

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/bies.201900245

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Mitochondria energy tradeoffs

    (52:14) Scarcity coordinates biology

    (54:44) Anthrobot aging evidence

    (56:31) Follow-up ideas

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  19. "Aging, goal-directedness, and bioelectricity" by Michael Levin

    23 min

    This is ~23 minute talk overviewing our recent results and the way we think about aging and longevity. It was for a conference with quite short speaking slots so I had to talk fast... Longer talk coming with …

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    This is ~23 minute talk overviewing our recent results and the way we think about aging and longevity. It was for a conference with quite short speaking slots so I had to talk fast... Longer talk coming with more data but this outlines some ideas and overviews our published recent work on aging.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Aging framework overview

    (01:16) Bodies as setpoints

    (03:08) Anatomical homeostasis examples

    (06:40) Bioelectric pattern memory

    (08:41) Rewriting biological setpoints

    (12:31) Aging bioelectric fuzziness

    (14:18) Sharpening brain patterns

    (17:34) Cognitive aging hypothesis

    (19:42) Atavistic tissue dissociation

    (22:21) Species longevity questions

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  20. Computationalism and consciousness with Nic Rouleau, Jaan Aru, and Borjan Milinkovic.

    57 min

    Discussion #2 (57 minutes on computationalism and consciousness) with Borjan Milinkovic (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=AwaZbzsAAAAJ&hl=en), Jaan Aru …

    Notas do episódio

    Discussion #2 (57 minutes on computationalism and consciousness) with Borjan Milinkovic (https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=AwaZbzsAAAAJ&hl=en), Jaan Aru (https://scholar.google.de/citations?user=FvFOzS8AAAAJ&hl=en%29), and Nicolas Rouleau (https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=FyOpVTAAAAAJ&hl=en).

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) AI consciousness middle ground

    (04:46) Substrate dependent minds

    (08:07) Analog computer substrates

    (13:44) Zombies and digital computers

    (18:56) Polycomputing and observers

    (25:01) Felt experience defined

    (30:08) Action first embodiment

    (34:08) Causal emergence and memory

    (42:36) Self versus environment

    (46:47) Cognitive light cones

    (51:44) Boundary gradients and observers

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  21. Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space by Michael Levin

    50 min

    This is a talk I gave, ~49 minutes long, titled "Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space", to a philosophy audience. It covers some more ways I think about the latent …

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    This is a talk I gave, ~49 minutes long, titled "Free Lunches: Model Systems for Studying the Agential Gifts from the Platonic Space", to a philosophy audience. It covers some more ways I think about the latent space of patterns that in-forms biology and cognitive science.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:02) Research program overview

    (05:15) Dissolving old categories

    (10:54) Goal-directed morphogenesis basics

    (14:11) Rewriting bioelectric patterns

    (19:23) Novel embodied abilities

    (23:35) Molecular agency ratchet

    (27:33) Math and living forms

    (33:31) Evolutionary accounting breaks

    (41:04) High agency patterns

    (47:01) Diverse intelligence future

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    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  22. Platonic Space discussion 5

    1 h 59 min

    This is a ~2 hour discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Strong perception framework (10:12) Perception model boundaries (17:41) Penrose and probabilities (30:57) …

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    This is a ~2 hour discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium (

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Strong perception framework

    (10:12) Perception model boundaries

    (17:41) Penrose and probabilities

    (30:57) Quantum interpretations debated

    (39:28) Probability dynamics and gravity

    (53:50) Relational observer problem

    (01:00:30) Dance synchronization physics

    (01:12:02) Rituals and group flow

    (01:23:43) Boundaries and agency

    (01:31:38) Religious possibility spaces

    (01:46:30) Numbers in theology

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    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  23. Platonic Space discussion 4

    2 h 5 min

    This is a ~2 hours 4 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Strong anticipation analogy (08:16) Relational Platonic patterns (25:06) Finite brains, infinite …

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    This is a ~2 hours 4 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium (

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Strong anticipation analogy

    (08:16) Relational Platonic patterns

    (25:06) Finite brains, infinite grammar

    (40:05) Beauty and compression

    (51:17) Searching for grammar

    (01:01:58) Patterns and selfhood

    (01:14:44) Patterns claiming territory

    (01:29:28) Markets shape selves

    (01:43:57) Scaling collective selves

    (01:55:47) Testing Platonic feedback

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    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  24. Discussion #1 with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz, Carlos Gershenson-Garcia, and Richard Watson

    1 h 4 min

    This is a ~1 hour 5 minute discussion with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz ( Carlos Gershenson-Garcia ( and Richard Watson ( Stay tuned for part 2 where Amahury will present his ideas in more detail. Amahury's paper …

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    This is a ~1 hour 5 minute discussion with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz ( Carlos Gershenson-Garcia ( and Richard Watson ( Stay tuned for part 2 where Amahury will present his ideas in more detail. Amahury's paper:

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Common ground and stakes

    (06:10) Ontology of platonic space

    (14:50) Testing separate realms

    (25:52) Acid tests and metaphors

    (34:55) Interaction and narratives

    (44:20) Formal facts alternative

    (52:38) Experiments and surprise

    (01:00:29) Closing reframing proposal

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    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

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    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  25. A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash

    1 h 30 min

    This is a ~1.5 hour talk + discussion, titled "A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman ( and Chetan Prakash ( with Robert Chis-Ciure ( and Chris Fields ( and me. CHAPTERS: (00:01) …

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    This is a ~1.5 hour talk + discussion, titled "A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman ( and Chetan Prakash ( with Robert Chis-Ciure ( and Chris Fields ( and me.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:01) Beyond space-time physics

    (10:10) Minimal observer participants

    (18:49) Recursive trace logic

    (35:08) Actions and trace blankets

    (43:45) Physics and agency together

    (52:32) Causal emergence and joins

    (59:52) Contextuality and quantum logic

    (01:06:00) Unitarity and positive geometries

    (01:16:29) Consciousness-first mind theories

    (01:24:39) Testing models together

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    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  26. Discussion: Lisa Maroski, Michael Levin, Richard Watson

    59 min

    This is a ~1 hour discussion with Lisa Maroski ( and Richard Watson ( about the role of language in shaping our thinking in the field of diverse intelligence and beyond. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Language and systems …

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    This is a ~1 hour discussion with Lisa Maroski ( and Richard Watson ( about the role of language in shaping our thinking in the field of diverse intelligence and beyond.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Language and systems thinking

    (04:25) Parts wholes and resonance

    (07:34) Who versus what

    (12:45) Recursion and new structures

    (17:47) Searching for a word

    (25:16) Holding multiple polarities

    (29:41) Nested biological agency

    (35:42) Patterns and Platonic minds

    (45:41) Cross-level observers and time

    (52:45) Knowing and owning beliefs

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    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  27. Discussion: Richard Watson, Alexey Tolchinsky, Mark Solms, Michael Levin, and Karl Friston

    59 min

    This is a ~1 hour meeting with Richard Watson ( Alexey Tolchinsky ( Mark Solms ( and Karl Friston ( where we discuss issues of memory (especially, the role of forgetting) in diverse intelligence (human patients …

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    This is a ~1 hour meeting with Richard Watson ( Alexey Tolchinsky ( Mark Solms ( and Karl Friston ( where we discuss issues of memory (especially, the role of forgetting) in diverse intelligence (human patients and beyond), and a bit on dreams and psychoanalysis. The original question from me was motivated by some findings on the effects of induced forgetting in models of unconventional cognition ( and more coming soon).

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Role of forgetting

    (06:22) Overfitting and generalization

    (10:45) Accuracy minus complexity

    (21:13) REM sleep and transference

    (24:40) Choosing futures and pasts

    (31:18) Cellular psychotherapy ideas

    (34:58) Dreaming of cell phones

    (39:47) Photographic memory costs

    (44:18) Precision and future paths

    (52:25) Collective cellular identity

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    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  28. Conversation with Nic Rouleau, part 1: "Some thoughts on the mind as material"

    1 h

    This is a ~1 hour talk and discussion, comprising part 1 of a conversation with a really interesting young neuroscientist, as well as friend, collaborator, and our Center member, Nicolas Rouleau ( Nic goes over …

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    This is a ~1 hour talk and discussion, comprising part 1 of a conversation with a really interesting young neuroscientist, as well as friend, collaborator, and our Center member, Nicolas Rouleau ( Nic goes over unconventional aspects of neuroscience touching on free will, cybernetics, consciousness, and a lot more. We start a discussion which is continued in part 2. For more information: Nic's website: X account: @DrNRouleau Recent papers to check out: Sellar, E.P., Rouleau, N. (In Review). A cybernetic framework for synthetic biological intelligence in the era of neural tissue engineering. Preprint doi: 10.31234/osf.io/md2wf_v1. Kansala, C., Cicek, E., Nkansah-Okoree, V., Golding, A., Murugan, N.J., Rouleau, N. (In Review). Superstitious conditioning forms the experience of free will under causal determinism. Preprint doi: 10.31234/osf.io/fk3yt_v2. Roskies, A. & Rouleau, N. (Forthcoming, In Press). Research on brain organoids should prioritize questions of agency, not consciousness. AJOB Neuroscience. Rouleau, N. & Levin, M. (In Press). Brains and where else? Mapping theories of consciousness to unconventional embodiments. Philosophical Transactions: A. Preprint doi:10.1098/rsta.2025.0082. Rouleau, N., Levin, M. (2024), Discussions of machine versus living intelligence need more clarity, Nature Machine Intelligence, doi:10.31219/osf.io/gz3km Rouleau, N., and Levin, M. (2023), The Multiple Realizability of Sentience in Living Systems and Beyond, eNeuro, 10(11), doi:10.1523/eneuro.0375-23.2023 Rouleau, N., Cairns, D. M., Rusk, W., Levin, M., and Kaplan, D. (2021), Learning and synaptic plasticity in 3D bioengineered neural tissues Neuroscience Letters, 750: 135799

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Free will, minds, transmission

    (26:52) Material brains after death

    (31:18) Defining free will experience

    (38:00) Long-term agency and algorithms

    (49:35) Causality, math, and consciousness

    (57:33) Transmissive consciousness and information

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    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  29. Conversation with Nic Rouleau, part 2: neuroscience, memory transfer, aging of cognition, and more

    56 min

    This is a ~55 minute discussion following up on Nic's talk and our brief conversation ( comprising part 2 of a conversation with a really interesting young neuroscientist, as well as friend, collaborator, and …

    Notas do episódio

    This is a ~55 minute discussion following up on Nic's talk and our brief conversation ( comprising part 2 of a conversation with a really interesting young neuroscientist, as well as friend, collaborator, and our Center member, Nicolas Rouleau ( We cover topics of consciousness, neural decoding, the meaning of neuroscience, memory transfer, cognitive plasticity and its relationship to rejuvenation therapies, intelligence throughout the universe, and the weirdest work Nic has done (he chose his work on memory in Playdoh). For more information: Nic's website: X account: @DrNRouleau Recent papers to check out: Sellar, E.P., Rouleau, N. (In Review). A cybernetic framework for synthetic biological intelligence in the era of neural tissue engineering. Preprint doi: 10.31234/osf.io/md2wf_v1. Kansala, C., Cicek, E., Nkansah-Okoree, V., Golding, A., Murugan, N.J., Rouleau, N. (In Review). Superstitious conditioning forms the experience of free will under causal determinism. Preprint doi: 10.31234/osf.io/fk3yt_v2. Roskies, A. & Rouleau, N. (Forthcoming, In Press). Research on brain organoids should prioritize questions of agency, not consciousness. AJOB Neuroscience. Rouleau, N. & Levin, M. (In Press). Brains and where else? Mapping theories of consciousness to unconventional embodiments. Philosophical Transactions: A. Preprint doi:10.1098/rsta.2025.0082. Rouleau, N., Levin, M. (2024), Discussions of machine versus living intelligence need more clarity, Nature Machine Intelligence, doi:10.31219/osf.io/gz3km Rouleau, N., and Levin, M. (2023), The Multiple Realizability of Sentience in Living Systems and Beyond, eNeuro, 10(11), doi:10.1523/eneuro.0375-23.2023 Rouleau, N., Cairns, D. M., Rusk, W., Levin, M., and Kaplan, D. (2021), Learning and synaptic plasticity in 3D bioengineered neural tissues Neuroscience Letters, 750: 135799

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Rethinking unconscious experience

    (07:50) Immortality, memory, and aging

    (20:11) Regeneration, identity, and continuity

    (34:52) Goal signals and decoding

    (44:01) Conditioning strange materials

    (49:15) Neuroscience and cosmic minds

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    Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing

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    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


  30. Conversation 2 with Lisa Barrett, Ben Lyons, and Karen Quigley

    59 min

    This is a second conversation with Lisa Barrett ( Karen Quigley ( and Benjamin Lyons ( about Relational Realism, allostasis, and questions of mind/body/behavior. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Rethinking emotion universals …

    Notas do episódio

    This is a second conversation with Lisa Barrett ( Karen Quigley ( and Benjamin Lyons ( about Relational Realism, allostasis, and questions of mind/body/behavior.

    CHAPTERS:

    (00:00) Rethinking emotion universals

    (09:34) Brain evolution and allostasis

    (17:25) Predictive processing and signaling

    (30:05) Objectivity and first-person science

    (38:45) Flexible body-world boundaries

    (45:46) Relational meaning in perception

    (52:06) Embodiment, morphospace and realism

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    SOCIAL LINKS:

    Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing

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    Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099

    Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5

    Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin

    Blog: https://thoughtforms.life

    The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org


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