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NewKeywordless Targeting, IndexNow, What SEOs Should Learn From PPCs w/Navah Hopkins of MicrosoftJune 1, 2026 · 1 h 4 min
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About the podcast

Downloaded over 750,000 times! Experts On The Wire is an SEO podcast hosted by Dan Shure. Discover new trends, tactics, tools, people, and businesses doing remarkable work in the world of Search Engine Optimization. Past guests include Rand Fishkin, Brian Dean, Annie Cushing, Noah Kagan & Vanessa Fox. I’m an SEO consultant myself, so we dig deep into SEO, technical challenges, growth stories, mobile SEO, eCommerce, crawling, content marketing & more.

Episodes 140

  1. Keywordless Targeting, IndexNow, What SEOs Should Learn From PPCs w/Navah Hopkins of Microsoft

    1 h 4 minSeason 2 · Episode 5

    SEOs and PPCs need to talk more and learn from each other. For example, did you know you can actually connect Search Console to Google Ads from within the Ads reporting?? No? I didn't either until this week's …

    Show notes

    SEOs and PPCs need to talk more and learn from each other.


    For example, did you know you can actually connect Search Console to Google Ads from within the Ads reporting??


    No? I didn't either until this week's guest told me about it... learn that, and a ton more in this great conversation.


    Navah Hopkins is Microsoft's Ad Liaison, an International Speaker, answer's questions in SEJ's monthly column called Ask The PPC and has been in marketing, PPC and SEO for 17+ years.


    This episode was recorded ⁠with Riverside⁠ which has sped up my podcast process ten fold and why I am now able to publish more episodes again.


    Reach me at dan at ⁠evolvingseo.com⁠ for SEO, AI Search or YouTube Visibility Consulting


    Links and resources mentioned:



    Chapters (⁠auto generated by Riverside⁠):


    00:00 Understanding Keywordless Targeting

    03:01 The Role of Landing Pages in PPC

    07:06 Navah's Journey and Current Role at Microsoft

    11:10 Debunking Myths About Microsoft Advertising

    14:18 The Future of Landing Pages

    16:30 Gathering Intelligence from PMAX Campaigns

    20:22 Connecting SEO and PPC for Better Insights

    29:54 Convergence of Brand and Performance in AI

    30:20 The Role of AI in Brand Discovery

    32:34 Understanding Conversion Paths in AI

    33:56 Importance of Product Catalogs and Reviews

    37:09 Navigating Feeds and Merchant Centers

    39:38 Setting Up for AI Commerce

    40:07 Accessibility and AI Compliance

    44:25 The Necessity of Video Content

    46:57 The Future of Content in AI

    49:36 Collaboration Between SEO and PPC

    51:14 Understanding Prompt Data and User Engagement

    54:37 The Future of Websites and Agentic Scenarios

    59:36 Exciting Features in Microsoft Ads


  2. The "ALL Method" for AI Search Content Optimization (On page optimization for LLM Visibility)

    29 minSeason 2 · Episode 4

    An on-page content optimization method I've been testing with clients that's ACTUALLY different than "just SEO". This episode is for anyone looking to optimize their content (blog posts, product pages, landing …

  3. Jenny Halasz: Google Is Going To Win The AI Race, Invest In SEO or Get Left Behind

    1 h 10 minSeason 2 · Episode 4

    Jump to the 11:00 minute mark for SEO-specific info! (We spent a little time talking about consulting vs agencies and the climate of doing SEO/work first!)Jenny is a Principal Advisor & Senior SEO at New Media …

  4. Nils Reimers: What Do SEOs Have Right (and Wrong) About AI & LLM Optimization?

    1 h 11 minSeason 2 · Episode 3

    Too many SEOs are guessing (or worse spreading known misinformation for LinkedIn clout) about what actually helps being cited in LLMs like ChatGPT, Claude, Perplexity, Gemini etc.Let's stop doing that - I …

  5. Luca Cian: How Humans Interact With AI & What That Means for Business Strategy

    1 h 15 minSeason 2 · Episode 2

    Luca Cian is AI Strategy & Psychology Expert. He is a Full Professor at the Darden School of Business, and an Advisor to the U.S. DHS on AI Strategy.His speciality is decoding how humans interact with AI and …

  6. Experts on the Wire Reboots! What To Expect

    10 minSeason 2 · Episode 1Bonus

    We're back! With video! This is a short re-intro from Dan on the exact 10 year anniversary of the original launch of Experts on the Wire. In this short episode I talk about why the re-boot and what to expect.Be …

  7. 131: Bias in SEO, Overconfident SEO Case Studies, Google’s SERP Struggles w/Sarah Pokorná

    1 h 8 minSeason 1

    Sarah Pokorná, is Digital Marketing Director at Dragon Metrics. She holds degrees in both Psychology and Digital Marketing and has been doing SEO, Marketing and Psychomarketing in corporate roles for 12 …

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    Sarah Pokorná, is Digital Marketing Director at Dragon Metrics. She holds degrees in both Psychology and Digital Marketing and has been doing SEO, Marketing and Psychomarketing in corporate roles for 12 years.

    As SEOs, I think we spend FAR too much time obsessing over Google ‘Ranking Factors’ (most recently the API leaks) and NOT enough time trying to actually understand and empathize with searchers – the people we are supposedly making content for and trying to win over in the SERPs.

    In this conversation, Sarah brings her unique perspective drawing from her background in psychology to help unpack some of the psychological perspectives searchers have – particularly cognitive biases.

    If you want to gain a deeper understanding and get into the minds of the people who search Google – the same people who traffic websites and ultimately drive revenue and business goals for sites and businesses – this episode is definitely worth a listen!

    Topics In This Episode:

    • Cognitive Biases in Search
    • Why were AI Overviews such a miss for Google?
    • The importance of fact-checking for SEO content
    • Search and Social Impacts on the Nervous System
    • How did biases impact how the SEO world reacted to Google’s API Leaks?
    • Biases like Confirmation Bias in SEO Case Studies
    • Why do overconfident people actually believe they are good at SEO?
    • Should Google play a role in preventing misinformation?
    • What else can we as SEOs do to understand searchers better?

    And much more – listen now!

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  8. 130: The Future of SEO – Optimism In Uncertain Times w/Will Critchlow

    1 h 16 minSeason 1

    Will Critchlow is the CEO of SearchPilot, an SEO A/B testing company. I invited Will back to Experts on the Wire to discuss the Future of SEO. I feel like things have felt very turbulent and uncertain in the …

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    Will Critchlow is the CEO of SearchPilot, an SEO A/B testing company. I invited Will back to Experts on the Wire to discuss the Future of SEO. I feel like things have felt very turbulent and uncertain in the SEO world lately (more than usual!) – because of things like AI/Chat-GPT, changes in how the community engages online, GA4, massive SERP changes from Google, and changes in the economy and world at large post-covid.

    I’ve always known Will for having a great perspective on the future of our industry so I wanted to get his take on what the future of SEO holds. Is THIS finally the inflection moment where ‘SEO is dead’? How does he see the next 5-10 years playing out? If it’s not dying, how will it look different? What should SEOs and businesses be doing to future-proof their marketing? How do we all navigate these big changes?

    Topics In This Episode Include:

    • How is AI affecting informational queries?
    • What the ancient steel and iron industry has to do with content
    • Is it worth still investing in content marketing?
    • How is the eCommerce SEO space changing? Is eCommerce and spending online down or is it growing?
    • Challenges for new people entering the SEO space
    • And lots more…

    Listen Now!

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  9. 129: Helpful Content Update Recovery and More w/Kristine Schachinger

    1 h 17 minSeason 1

    Kristine Schachinger is an SEO Consultant, specializing in Technical SEO, SEO Website Audits, Growth Strategies, Google Penalty Recovery, Accessibility, Usability, LLMs, & Social Media. She has been an SEO for …

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    Kristine Schachinger is an SEO Consultant, specializing in Technical SEO, SEO Website Audits, Growth Strategies, Google Penalty Recovery, Accessibility, Usability, LLMs, & Social Media. She has been an SEO for over 15 years and helped sites like Instacart, Vice, Zappos, usa.gov and many more.

    Topics In This Episode Include:

    • Why AI vs Human Content Comparison Studies are Silly
    • How AI has Changed SEO
    • How Does Google Detect “AI Content”?
    • Deep Dive Into The Helpful Content Update
    • Google’s Search Generative Experience
    • Why Core Web Vitals Is NOT a Ranking Factor Now
    • E.A.T.T. Myths and Why It’s Not a Ranking Factor, Ranking Signal or Ranking System
    • How To Learn About SEO From “The Source”
    • How To Find and Hire The Right SEO (And how to attract the right clients if you are an SEO)
    • Kristine’s Approach to Providing SEO Consulting

    Listen Now!

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    The post 129: Helpful Content Update Recovery and More w/Kristine Schachinger appeared first on Evolving SEO.

  10. Updates About This Podcast!

    6 minSeason 1

    Join me for 5 mins with some updates about Experts on the Wire (and new episode announcements!)Listen Now!Check out Content Aced – a high-powered research assistant tool that helps you find topical gaps in your …

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    Join me for 5 mins with some updates about Experts on the Wire (and new episode announcements!)

    Listen Now!

    Check out Content Aced – a high-powered research assistant tool that helps you find topical gaps in your content: https://www.evolvingseo.com/contentaced for 50% off.

    The post Updates About This Podcast! appeared first on Evolving SEO.

  11. 128: Surviving SEO in an AI World: Strategic SEO vs Checklist SEO w/Sara Taher

    54 minSeason 1

    If you’re trying to keep up with AI in the SEO world, while remaining strategic and not just following a checklist, this episode is for you!My guest today is Sara Taher who has been an SEO consultant since …

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    If you’re trying to keep up with AI in the SEO world, while remaining strategic and not just following a checklist, this episode is for you!

    My guest today is Sara Taher who has been an SEO consultant since 2014.

    Topics In This Episode Include:

    • How to incorporate AI in your SEO workflow (tons of great tools mentioned!)
    • The Risk of AI to Content Creators
    • The importance of TikTok SEO, Video Indexing, and having Video Strategy
    • Create YouTube descriptions with AI
    • A little something for you tech SEO fans – a couple of interesting ways to audit a site f or JS and SEO
    • And lots more!

    Listen Now!

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  12. 127: Image Optimization, Algorithmic Biases, ADHD & SEO w/Myriam Jessier

    1 h 49 minSeason 1

    It’s hard to convey the huge variety of topics we covered in this action-packed episode with just a 60-character title!Myriam Jessier is an SEO Trainer, SEO Consultant, and co-owner of PRAGM, a technical …

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    It’s hard to convey the huge variety of topics we covered in this action-packed episode with just a 60-character title!

    Myriam Jessier is an SEO Trainer, SEO Consultant, and co-owner of PRAGM, a technical marketing agency. She speaks three languages and has been doing SEO for over 15 years.

    I had a blast talking with her, and I learned a lot listening back to this conversation – this was my longest episode ever clocking in at almost 2 hours! But it will fly…

    Topics In This Episode Include:

    • Breaking through the “curse of knowledge” in SEO
    • Understanding the psychology and emotions of searchers
    • The weaknesses of keyword intent analysis at scale
    • Why PageSpeed Insights may not realize you’ve already compressed your images
    • Working with developers
    • Understanding “Graceful degradation”
    • Applying Librarian Skills to SEO
    • A GeoIP Redirects Rant
    • Algorithmic Biases, Gendered Language, and Keyword Research
    • The parallels between furniture design and SEO
    • Tips for working in SEO with ADHD
    • And lots more!

    Listen Now!

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    NEW! Show Transcription

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    I am trying transcriptions out with a tool called Rev.com – while I don’t have time to meticulously edit the transcript, I think it’s pretty good and accurate – let me know what you think!

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  13. 126: Passive Link Acquisition With Authoritative Content w/Monique (Meaux) Quarles

    1 h 7 minSeason 1

    If you’re looking for creative ideas and strategies for creating more authoritative content and earning backlinks passively, this episode is for you!Monique is an SEO Consultant, Digital Strategist, Content …

  14. 125: The Worst Technical SEO Mistakes To Avoid w/Olga Zarr

    1 h 8 minSeason 1

    My guest today Olga Zarr audited over 100 sites in a two-year period – and from that compiled a massive list of 99+ tech SEO mistakes. On today’s episode, we talk through some of the worst of the worst tech SEO …

  15. 124: Tech SEO Tips From a Google Product Expert w/Dave Smart

    1 h 5 minSeason 1

    Tech SEO fans this episode is a MUST listen! Topics Include:The current state of how Google handles JavaScriptTesting JavaScript Sites for SEODave’s favorite and least favorite JS platformsHydrating …

  16. 123: Pain Point SEO – How To Create Content That Converts w/Araminta Robertson

    1 h 22 minSeason 1

    If you’re struggling to generate blog traffic that actually converts – this episode is for you!My guest Araminta Robertson is managing director at Mint Studios, a content marketing agency that focuses on …

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    If you’re struggling to generate blog traffic that actually converts – this episode is for you!My guest Araminta Robertson is managing director at Mint Studios, a content marketing agency that focuses on creating content that generates business, not just traffic. Araminta will be speaking at Brighton SEO this Fall, she has hosted her own podcasts – and I was impressed with her approach to converting blog traffic into customers – she works in fintech but what we talk about will apply to any company, B2B or B2C – I think this episode will help a lot of us. In this episode:
    • The 4 Pillars of a Bottom Funnel Content Strategy
    • Conducting Interviews For Content Research
    • Writing Intros That Convert
    • Why “Tone Of Voice” May Not Be Important
    • Optimizing For UX and CTAs
    • Acquiring Backlinks
    • Measuring Content Marketing ROI
    • The Cons of Content Briefs (and an Alternative)
    • Content Marketing Costs
    Listen Now!Related Episodes You Might LikeShow Agenda and Timestamps
    • Coming soon!
    Tools MentionedArticles, Resources, and Links MentionedFind Araminta Online

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  17. 122: Crawl Optimization, How Google Works, SEO Income Studies w/Jori Ford

    1 h 8 minSeason 1

    Tech SEO fans and anyone passionate about the SEO industry, this episode is for you! My guest for this episode is Jori Ford!Jori Ford is currently Chief Marketing Officer at FoodBoss, which is a food delivery …

  18. 121: In-House, Large Scale SEO (Migrations, Crawl Optimization & More) w/Becky Westmoreland

    57 minSeason 1

    Tech SEO fans this episode is for you! If you are curious about what it’s like doing SEO for a site with 70M+ URLs indexed, how to handle challenging issues like migrating millions of URLs across 250,000+ …

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    Tech SEO fans this episode is for you! If you are curious about what it’s like doing SEO for a site with 70M+ URLs indexed, how to handle challenging issues like migrating millions of URLs across 250,000+ distinct websites, and what it’s like doing SEO in-house for such a gigantic site you’ll definitely want to tune in and take notes.

    My guest for this episode is Becky Westmoreland. Becky is currently SEO Director at Fandom where she has successfully led a project of migrating 250,000+ websites with millions of URLs, including many other interesting SEO initiatives. Becky was also formally SEO Manager at E! Online, as well as SEO Manager at Dictionary.com.

    In this episode:

    • What do site migrations have to do with core updates?
    • How do you safely and smoothly migrate 70M+ URLs? The process, tools, and metrics used.
    • Signs that Googlebot may ignore your robots.txt file (feature or bug?)
    • How the tech SEO team collaborates with other teams
    • When and why core web vitals may actually be a big deal for rankings
    • A very interesting alternative method for blocking certain content from Google (totally whitehat and effective)
    • Subdomains vs subfolders – what’s Becky’s take on this debate?
    • And lots more!

    Listen Now!

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  19. 120: SEO Ranking Factors, A/B Testing & The Evolution of Google w/Will Critchlow

    1 h 2 minSeason 1

    What does Google core updates have to do with the now old concept of the “Google Dance”? The Google Dance was an SEO nuisance from years ago, and the core updates are a more modern challenge.The connection lies …

  20. 119: Jon Morrow’s Proven Formula for Growing Blog Traffic With SEO

    59 minSeason 1

    Jon Morrow has consistently and repetitively grown the blog traffic for several sites and organizations. In the early days of CopyBlogger, he helped take them to 3.5M page views a month. He then helped …

  21. 118: How To Help Large Organizations Win at SEO w/Melanie Phung

    1 h 12 minSeason 1

    In this episode:How to work on SEO effectively with big organizations Working with both content and tech teams — and how to get them to actually executeWhy understanding the HISTORY of a company, organization …

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    In this episode:

    • How to work on SEO effectively with big organizations
    • Working with both content and tech teams — and how to get them to actually execute
    • Why understanding the HISTORY of a company, organization and website is important before giving recommendations
    • What do you do if you get push back against SEO advice?
    • How to instill SEO Education within organization
    • How to communicate SEO results inside of an organization
    • And also … does Melanie listen to what Googler’s say about ranking and SEO?
    • And much more!

    Listen Now!

    Information About United Search

    United Search is a brand new Speaker Accelerator program helping especially those from underrepresented groups – learn more about them in today’s episode.

    To apply to be a mentor, mentee or learn more in general go to: https://www.unitedsearch.org/mentors

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    070: How To Do Big Brand SEO w/Corey Eulas

    083: How To Win At In House, Large Scale SEO w/Kevin Indig of Atlassian

    Show Agenda and Timestamps

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    Find Melanie Online!

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/melaniephung/

    Orange Spark Digital

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  22. 117: Improve Your Rankings w/Internal Links, Automation for SEO & More w/JR Oakes

    1 h 15 minSeason 1

    JR Oakes is the Senior Director of Technical SEO Research at Locomotive Agency and he has written for Search Engine Land, Search Engine Watch, spoken at SEMpdx and TechSEO Boost and is the founder of iCodeSEO …

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    JR Oakes is the Senior Director of Technical SEO Research at Locomotive Agency and he has written for Search Engine Land, Search Engine Watch, spoken at SEMpdx and TechSEO Boost and is the founder of iCodeSEO. He also is an organizer with the Beer & SEO and Raleigh SEO Meetups.

    In this episode:

    • How to start learning how to do code-based SEO
    • How JR Analyzes large sets of keyword data from Search Console
    • How to use automation to improve SEO
    • How to use internal linking to boost traffic on keywords not quite ranking #1
    • What is CI/CD?
    • JR’s ranking factors
    • His take on EAT
    • SEO tactics that have a diminishing return
    • The tools JR believes are missing in the SEO industry
    • JR’s Real Name

    Listen Now!

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  23. 116: Seizing The Image Search Opportunity w/Jess Peck

    56 minSeason 1

    In this episode:How to find image SEO opportunitiesImage traffic attributionHow to optimize for image SEOThe value of using and testing with screen readers BEYOND accessibility What is visual search and how to …

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    In this episode:

    • How to find image SEO opportunities
    • Image traffic attribution
    • How to optimize for image SEO
    • The value of using and testing with screen readers BEYOND accessibility
    • What is visual search and how to optimize for it

    Listen Now!

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  24. 115: How To Actually Do an SEO Ranking Analysis – w/Micah Fisher-Kirshner

    1 h 15 minSeason 1

    In this episode:The differences between eCommerce SEO and B2B SEO (tactics and strategies)Crawl optimization on Seasonal SitesDeveloping internal SEO documentationHow he helps companies needing operational …

  25. 114: Big Retailer SEO, Power BI, CTR & Rankings (Data) w/Claudia Higgins

    1 h 8 minSeason 1

    In this episode:Doing SEO for a big retailerWhat an SEO Insight Technology Manager doesUsing PPC to Strategize for SEOWhy/when/how to use Power BIWhat is the “data hulk”?!Does CTR actually impact ranking? …

    Show notes

    In this episode:

    • Doing SEO for a big retailer
    • What an SEO Insight Technology Manager does
    • Using PPC to Strategize for SEO
    • Why/when/how to use Power BI
    • What is the “data hulk”?!
    • Does CTR actually impact ranking? (Based on data)
    • Strategically dealing with Holiday and Seasonal content
    • Communicating SEO value to executives.

    Claudia Higgins is an SEO Insight Technology Manager for Argos, a large retailer in the UK. She has spoken about SEO at events including Brighton SEO, SearchLove, C3 New York and TechSEO Boost.

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  26. 113: Advanced Analytics for SEO: Panel from TechSEO Boost 2019

    47 minSeason 1

    This special episode was recorded live on stage at TechSEO Boost in Boston on December 5th 2019. I was honored to host a panel on Advanced Analytics for SEO with some really smart guests:Aja Frost – HubspotJim …

  27. 112: Martin Splitt On Rendering, Crawl Budget, JS SEO, Treeshaking & More

    1 h 4 minSeason 1

    In this episode:Does Google fetch all the scripts on a page?“Treeshaking” and how it can help your page’s performanceQueuing time vs rendering time for GoogleWhen to use JS Frameworks or notExactly how and when …

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    In this episode:

    • Does Google fetch all the scripts on a page?
    • “Treeshaking” and how it can help your page’s performance
    • Queuing time vs rendering time for Google
    • When to use JS Frameworks or not
    • Exactly how and when rendering counts against “crawl budget”
    • Is “crawl budget” a problem and something that should be optimized for?
    • Why content can sometimes take a long time to be de-indexed
    • The “Shadow DOM”
    • What Martin wishes SEOs would do more of
    • LOTS of your Twitter questions answered

    This interview was recorded on Wednesday, December 4th, 2019 live on location at Tech SEO Boost in Boston.

    The occasional rumbling sound you may hear is the subway, which runs right below the room we were recording in.

    We spend the first 10 mins or so chatting about his role at Google, and then get into all the technical stuff

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  28. 111: How To Tackle Advanced eCommerce and Technical SEO w/Luke Carthy

    1 h 25 minSeason 1

    In this episode:How to handle out of stock products (we get quite detailed here)Crawl optimizationHow to optimize content on product pagesHow to optimize content on category pagesInternal search page …

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    In this episode:

    • How to handle out of stock products (we get quite detailed here)
    • Crawl optimization
    • How to optimize content on product pages
    • How to optimize content on category pages
    • Internal search page optimization
    • Handling content delivered in JavaScript on product or category pages
    • Common eCommerce SEO mistakes
    • The future of eCommerce SEO
    • How canonicals help
    • and we tackled LOTS of your questions from Twitter

    Listen Now!


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  29. 110: A Candid Conversation w/Barry Schwartz on His Story, Productivity, Core Updates & More

    1 h 5 minSeason 1

    Today’s episode I think is an important one for anyone who’s a part of, or interested in, the SEO industry. Whether you’re an actual practitioner, maybe newer to the space, or just following along and love SEO …

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    Today’s episode I think is an important one for anyone who’s a part of, or interested in, the SEO industry. Whether you’re an actual practitioner, maybe newer to the space, or just following along and love SEO – you’ll probably get something out of this discussion.

    I wanted to talk with Barry and get more details around things a lot of people are curious about…

    For one, he’s known for being very prolific, publishing up to 5+ articles per day, following the SEO news, sharing things via Twitter, engaging with the community … AND running a company full time (that has nothing to do with SEO).

    And I wanted to get his take on the state of Google right and now, and where things might be going. Barry is often the one reporting news — but I wanted to give him the spotlight and learn more about someone who is truly invaluable in this industry.

    Some of the many things covered:

    • Barry reacts to his very first blog post from 2005!
    • Why Barry started blogging to begin with
    • How Barry got a Wiki page
    • His thoughts on Danny Sullivan’s role at Google
    • The best way to send Barry SEO news tips
    • Does Google give Barry info “off the record”?
    • The recent Google Core updates
    • Zombie Clicks (?)

    And more – enjoy!

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  30. The Private Voice Memo I Made After Dinner With Gary Illyes [2017]

    21 minSeason 1

    On April 4th 2017, I had the opportunity to sit down at dinner with Gary Illyes and about seven other SEOs (including Paul Shapiro, who was the one who nicely invited me). We got to ask him questions and chat …

    Show notes

    On April 4th 2017, I had the opportunity to sit down at dinner with Gary Illyes and about seven other SEOs (including Paul Shapiro, who was the one who nicely invited me). We got to ask him questions and chat about SEO and Google.

    Immediately after leaving, I got out my phone and recorded about 10 minutes of voice memos of everything I could remember from this dinner. We definitely heard some things I had not heard elsewhere (and a few things have since come out and confirmed since then).

    After over two years, I’m finally sharing my raw, unedited voice memo with you

    It was originally meant to be private — just really so I could remember all the stuff we learned, but I thought after some time has passed now, it might add value for anyone else who wants to listen.

    Here are the general topics from the voice memo, in order.

    NOTE: These are stated as ‘truths’ from April 2017 – remember things for sure could have changed by now, but at the time this was told to us as to how thing are.

    Also, it starts a bit choppy as I’m randomly remembering stuff, but gets a lot more smooth (and I think interesting) as it continues.

    Topics:

    • AMP does not pass the mobile-friendly test.
    • Hidden JS content
    • Purchasing an old domain with old content
    • Changing the context and content of old URLs
    • Losing star snippets can indicate a sitewide issue
    • The structured data testing tool uses the same exact system as their algorithm
    • Panda is a sitewide signal, and they have an actual Panda score
    • 302s vs 301s and is this why Wired lost their traffic when going to https? (very surprising answer here)
    • Ignoring partial manual action penalties
    • What links are ALWAYS ok to remove or disavow (and not)
    • The old “topical authority” algo
    • Adding new low-quality URLs to a site
    • Knowledge boxes in the US but not Canada
    • How does Google know when a search like “ring” has a brand intent?
    • Google’s concept of a “site” (subfolders vs subdomains – what is a “site”?) and domain clustering
    • Sites that don’t need to worry about links in any way whatsoever
    • DA is OK as a metric, but one thing to be aware of
    • What is going to replace all manual actions
    • Sitewide signals were updated in the Feb 2017 update
    • Google does not click behind tabs etc (when fetching via JS is required) because they don’t want to end up in a secure or private area, or in a .php file etc
    • How to rank for big head keywords like “meat”

    The post The Private Voice Memo I Made After Dinner With Gary Illyes [2017] appeared first on Evolving SEO.

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