Skip to content

How to disagree better with Utah Governor Spencer Cox

November 3, 2026 · 45 min

Show notes

Politics are more polarized than ever, and most Americans are desperate for something different. Spencer Cox, the Republican Governor of Utah, thinks the key to depolarization isn’t consensus—it’s disagreeing without contempt. In this episode, Adam and Spencer take a closer look at the deeper issues that underlie America’s political division, and Spencer shares his evidence-based approach to policymaking that puts people above parties. They also offer advice for breaking out of echo chambers and break down Spencer’s recommendations for safeguarding against the risks of AI.


Connect with the team

ReThinking is produced by Cosmic Standard. Our Senior Producer is Jessica Glazer, our Engineer is Aja Simpson, our Technical Director is Jacob Winik, and our Executive Producer is Eliza Smith.


For the full text transcript, visit ted.com/podcasts/rethinking-with-adam-grant-transcripts

Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

All episodes of ReThinking

Settings

Display

Language

Decides which stations you see first on the home page.

History

Recently played stations and episodes and your latest searches are only stored in this browser.

Notifications

A short notice when a podcast you follow has a new episode. Turn off single podcasts with the bell on their page.

Account

Save favorites – in the app and on the website.

Keyboard shortcuts

/
Open search
Space
Play or pause
← →
In the player: back 15 s, forward 30 s (episodes) · in a row: next tile
↑ ↓
In a row: target within the tile
Home / End
In a row: first or last tile
Esc
Close window or menu
?
This overview
Now playing

Go to station page

Play next

    Add episodes with “Play next” – they play after the current episode.