The Deep View: Conversations
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From frontier labs and enterprise platforms to emerging startups reshaping entire industries, The Deep View: Conversations podcast interviews the brightest minds and the most influential leaders in AI.
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Code is cheap now; trust is the new bottleneck
AI is making it easier for everyone to create software. The harder challenge is building the infrastructure, security and skills to turn that explosion of code into useful work.In this episode of The Deep View …
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AI is making it easier for everyone to create software. The harder challenge is building the infrastructure, security and skills to turn that explosion of code into useful work.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Mario Rodriguez, GitHub's chief product officer, at GitHub Universe 2026 to explore how AI agents are changing the platform, the community, and the future of software creation.
Rodriguez explains why GitHub is rebuilding its foundations for machine-speed development, how its move to Azure supports that effort, and why writing code faster only helps if the software is secure and reliable. He also responds to Anthropic's decision to build Scion, its own version control system, and makes the case for Git's continued role as AI accelerates development.The conversation goes beyond the technology to a bigger question: who gets to build? As people without technical backgrounds start creating software, Rodriguez argues that lowering the barriers can bring more people into the craft and some will naturally become professional developers. His framework: lower the floor, raise the ceiling, and widen the walls. This episode explains what he means.
Topics covered:
• GitHub's vision for collaboration between people and AI agents
• AI scanning, code review, and cybersecurity upgrades
• Copilot projects, agent squads and automations that learn from their results
• Keeping work moving across mobile, the web, Slack, and Teams
• Why AI demand accelerated GitHub's move to Azure
• GitHub's ambition to reach a billion developers
• Why easier entry into coding can strengthen open sourceIf you want to understand where professional software development, vibe coding, and open-source AI are heading, don't miss this one.
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AI coding needs smarter routing over bigger models
Coding agents can drastically accelerate how fast developers build, but defaulting to the most powerful models gets expensive fast. But what if your coding assistant could route to less expensive models when …
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Coding agents can drastically accelerate how fast developers build, but defaulting to the most powerful models gets expensive fast. But what if your coding assistant could route to less expensive models when they don't need high-end frontier intelligence?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Kyle Daigle, GitHub’s chief operating officer, at GitHub Universe in San Francisco to explore how the company's new Copilot Fusion can route between models and reduce token costs.
Daigle explains how Fusion can start with a less expensive model, move to a more capable one when needed, and bring in a second model to check the first model’s work. He says GitHub’s teams and early enterprise customers are seeing 50% to 60% lower costs on complex work, with savings reaching 77% for certain workloads. But most importantly, it's getting results that match using high-end models while doing it about 40% faster.
Other topics covered:
• Why people outside traditional developer roles are building their own software
• How GitHub’s marketing and design teams use Copilot to create tools for their own work
• How Fusion’s Cascade and Critique approaches coordinate models within a task
• Choosing between Fusion Standard, High, and Max based on the work you need done
• GitHub’s plans to route some tasks to local models running on your computer
• How Copilot Projects brings repositories, files, and agents together in one workflowIf you’re building with AI coding agents, leading a development team, or managing your company’s AI budget, this conversation offers a way to control costs while keeping the capabilities
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How shadow AI is outgrowing enterprise control
The AI agents helping employees work faster also open up new risks for a company's most sensitive data. So how do businesses keep up with the opportunities and the risks?In this episode of The Deep View …
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The AI agents helping employees work faster also open up new risks for a company's most sensitive data. So how do businesses keep up with the opportunities and the risks?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Cristian Rodriguez, CrowdStrike's field CTO for the Americas. We talked to Rodriguez at CrowdStrike's Fal.Con 2026 event to explore what one of the world's largest cybersecurity companies is learning about how AI is rapidly changing the cybersecurity landscape.
Rodriguez explains why defenders need to respond at machine speed, what the OpenAI and Hugging Face incident reveals about goal-seeking agents, and why even useful AI tools need visibility, boundaries, and accountability. Rodriguez argues that data governance remains a central challenge: companies need to understand what their agents can access, where information moves and who is responsible for each action.Topics covered:
• Helping healthcare, government and other understaffed organizations respond to faster attacks
• Whether automation and tool consolidation can strengthen security within existing budgets
• SafeMind, red and blue cybersecurity models, and the role of the AI harness
• Bring-your-own-model options and where CrowdStrike's models run
• Moving from reactive incident response toward proactive security with human oversight
• How Rodriguez uses Slackbot to organize his day and follow through on commitmentsIf you're leading an organization, putting agents to work, or trying to understand how AI changes the security and safety landscape, this conversation connects the new capabilities with the controls and judgment needed to manage them.
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How to turn everyday frustrations into AI wins
Your next big AI win may come from someone your leadership team would never think to pick.In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Todd Earwood, CEO of Betra Works and an AI investor at …
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Your next big AI win may come from someone your leadership team would never think to pick.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Todd Earwood, CEO of Betra Works and an AI investor at HalfCourt Ventures, to explore what it takes to deploy AI for useful work inside organizations.
Drawing on his work with 1,200 leaders and executives, Todd explains why the people closest to the work often see AI opportunities that executives miss. He shares how a university athletics sales rep used AI to uncover new ticket buyers, how a warehouse employee helped a manufacturer rethink a 22-year-old spreadsheet, and why a skeptical, experienced employee became an unexpected AI champion.We also discuss Todd's book, Adapt & Adopt, and his approach to teaching people how to identify useful AI tasks, evaluate opportunities, and build momentum from individual wins to broader adoption.
Other topics covered:
• Three paths to putting AI to work in a business
• Why employee frustrations can reveal valuable AI opportunities
• The gap between personal AI use and workplace adoption
• What Todd learned from investing in more than 100 AI companies
• Building a tech career outside San Francisco and New York
• Why meeting recorders and voice dictation can make an immediate difference
• Using Claude to protect your calendar and prioritiesIf you're leading a team, trying to make AI useful in your own job, or deciding where to start, this conversation offers practical ways to connect AI's capabilities with the work people do every day.
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TIMELINE
0:00 Introduction
2:27 From AI investing to real-world adoption
7:19 Three paths to making AI useful
10:16 Adapt & Adopt: learning how to think
16:34 Unexpected AI wins in sales and manufacturing
21:14 Finding AI opportunities in the work you hate
23:45 Why your AI champions may surprise you
27:02 Investing in AI before the boom
33:49 Building a tech career beyond the coastal hubs
40:44 Meeting recorders, Wispr Flow and everyday AI
45:24 Using AI to protect your time
48:58 Closing advice: slow down when life gets hard6 timeless attributes for succeeding in the AI era
AI is making it easier for employees to work beyond their specialties and that has big implications for the future organizations of all sizes. In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with …
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AI is making it easier for employees to work beyond their specialties and that has big implications for the future organizations of all sizes.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Bill Barton, chief operating officer at Rokt and the former leader of the Alexa team at Amazon. Rokt has gotten called out by some of the biggest tech companies in the world for its innovative use of AI inside the company.
In fact, several of them have had Rokt come and talk to their teams about how they do it. So we wanted to have Bill on the show to share those insights with a larger audience.
Barton shares how Rokt is using an internal AI fleet across software development, finance, legal, security and other functions. He explains how AI is helping blur the boundaries between roles, why the company has moved from more than a dozen job ladders to four, and what it takes to turn experimentation into everyday practice.
Other topics covered include:
• Why Bill returned to Rokt after trying retirement
• How AI is expanding the reach of generalists
• Enabling shared AI experimentation companywide
• Why fewer, more flexible systems can help teams move faster
• How Barton thinks about productivity gains and hiring
• What Google search reveals about frictionless AI
• Why more powerful tools can make it harder to step away from workBill also shares his six timeless attributes that can help anyone succeed in the AI era: relentlessness, resilience, rigorousness, inquisitiveness, optimism and humility.
For leaders rethinking their teams and professionals navigating changing roles, this conversation connects the possibilities of AI with the habits and judgment needed to make them useful.
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How open models change the economics of AI
Companies want to own the intelligence that makes their business valuable. So what will that mean for the AI models they use, and the systems they build around them?In this episode of The Deep View …
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Companies want to own the intelligence that makes their business valuable. So what will that mean for the AI models they use, and the systems they build around them?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Justin Boitano, VP of enterprise AI at Nvidia, to explore why NVIDIA is investing in open models and how enterprises are turning them into specialized intelligence.
Boitano talks about why NVIDIA makes Nemotron's datasets, training techniques and model weights openly available, how proprietary business knowledge can become a competitive advantage, and why lower token costs can unlock much greater demand for AI.The conversation also examines why the agent harness that manages tools, memory and execution can matter as much as the model itself. Boitano shares how Nvidia worked with CrowdStrike on AI models for cybersecurity, why AI incidents need the equivalent of an aviation flight recorder, and how OpenShell moves agent controls into the infrastructure layer.
Other topics covered:
• Why NVIDIA is building open models alongside its chip business
• What Nemotron needs to compete with China's open models
• Owning institutional knowledge, protecting data and controlling AI costs
• How model development helps NVIDIA improve hardware efficiency
• Why harness engineering is becoming a new frontier for AI
• Moving cybersecurity from finding bugs to verifying and fixing them
• Transparency and learning from AI incidents
• OpenShell, sandboxing and enforceable limits on agent access
• How Justin uses Hermes as an AI chief of staff
• Jensen Huang's approach to priorities and team alignmentIf you're deciding how to build enterprise AI, where your company's competitive advantage comes from, or how to give agents useful access without giving them unlimited control, this conversation offers a perspective from Nvidia's work across the ecosystem.
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Who will police the AI agents?
AI agents can act faster than humans can review them. So how do companies keep control without slowing everything down?In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, Jason Hiner sits down with Blake Brannon …
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AI agents can act faster than humans can review them. So how do companies keep control without slowing everything down?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, Jason Hiner sits down with Blake Brannon, chief innovation officer and a co-founder of OneTrust, to explore why AI governance needs to evolve from static rules to decisions made in real time.Brannon explains why an agent can inherit an employee's identity and access without inheriting their trust. He makes the case for independent guardian agents that evaluate what other agents are trying to do, apply a company's policies, and redirect or block actions when necessary.
One example captures the challenge: deleting CRM records could be routine cleanup or an attempt to inflate a salesperson's performance. The action alone doesn't tell you whether it should be allowed. Its purpose matters.Topics covered:
• How OneTrust evolved from data privacy to AI governance
• Why first-party data and customer trust go together
• Why human review can't keep pace with a growing population of agents
• How guardian agents and independent checks could help close the trust gap
• The difference between containing AI and aligning it with business policies
• Why governance should help companies move faster
• What the bring-your-own-device era teaches us about AI adoption
• How Blake uses visual storytelling and voice-to-text tools to work more effectivelyIf you're deploying AI agents and trying to move beyond experiments without giving up control, this conversation offers a practical way to think about the systems that need to surround them.
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How AI changes cybersecurity's balance of power
AI is accelerating cyberattacks. Could it also give defenders the upper hand?In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sat down with Adam Meyers, CrowdStrike's head of counter adversary operations, at …
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AI is accelerating cyberattacks. Could it also give defenders the upper hand?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sat down with Adam Meyers, CrowdStrike's head of counter adversary operations, at Fal.Con 2026 to explore how AI is changing the balance of power between attackers and defenders.
Meyers explains why he believes security teams can now match the speed and scale of their adversaries, how CrowdStrike is training offensive and defensive AI models against each other, and why the harness that guides an AI model can matter just as much as the model itself. He shares how changing that harness helped CrowdStrike reduce false positives in its vulnerability research without changing the underlying model, and how cyberdefenders are uniting to assist one another.The conversation also goes inside the live disruption of the Sality botnet, explores how nation-state attackers are using agents that learn from their mistakes in seconds, and examines why powerful AI systems need clear boundaries as they pursue their goals.
Topics covered:
• Why AI could change the defender's dilemma
• How CrowdStrike and its partners disrupted a botnet that had operated for more than two decades
• Training red team and blue team models based on Nvidia's Nemotron models and CrowdStrike's security data
• Why AI harnesses are critical to reducing hallucinations and false positives
• How AI attacks are compressing the time organizations have to patch vulnerabilities
• What the Hugging Face incident raises about goal-seeking agents and guardrails
• Why local, open-weight models matter to both attackers and defenders
If you're trying to understand what AI means for cybersecurity, how to put agents to work safely, or where specialized models can make a difference, this conversation offers a view from someone tracking the adversaries firsthand.Subscribe to Deep View Conversations for interviews with the leaders shaping the future of AI, business, and technology: tdv.transitor.fm
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Why your phone still isn't the ultimate AI assistant
Nearly every smartphone launched in the past year features agentic AI capabilities, offering users an early look at what a fully agentic smartphone future could do for them. Of course, the tech powering it is …
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Nearly every smartphone launched in the past year features agentic AI capabilities, offering users an early look at what a fully agentic smartphone future could do for them. Of course, the tech powering it is driven by the chipsets.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Vinesh Sukumar, Qualcomm's VP of AI at the Snapdragon Summit, the company's annual conference where it launches its latest processors. This year, the launch included the mobile platforms Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 for phones and Snapdragon Sound Elite Gen 2 for wearables.
Vinesh discussed how the chipsets came to be, including the special considerations made during their design such as improving connectivity, on-device support for large models, longer battery life, and other features crucial to smoothly running agentic AI applications. We also discussed what the future of a truly agentic AI phone looks like and what's been holding it back.
Topics covered:
• What an ideal agentic smartphone experience would look like
• The demands agentic AI models make of mobile chipsets
• The obstacles to agentic solutions becoming a game changer
• The crawl, run, walk phases of agentic solutions, and where we are now
• The role of other smart devices in creating agentic experiences
• How support for a 30 billion MoE on-device model was made possible
• Qualcomm's role in working with partners to bring AI experiences to life
If you want to learn more about how the latest chipsets will change the future of Android flagship devices in the next year, including new AI experiences, this conversation will give you a clear idea.
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Disclaimer: Sabrina Ortiz's travel to Snapdragon Summit was paid for by Qualcomm. The Deep View's coverage is editorially independent from the companies we cover.
AI safety needs more than good intentions
Can AI move fast and still be safe? As the debate over AI safety and innovation grows more polarized, we explore the practical work of making powerful systems accountable.In this episode of The Deep View …
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Can AI move fast and still be safe? As the debate over AI safety and innovation grows more polarized, we explore the practical work of making powerful systems accountable.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Navina Singh, CEO of Credo AI, to talk about what AI governance means for frontier labs, enterprises, and policymakers. They explore why governance is broader than regulation, how organizations can test and verify their AI systems, and what happens when capabilities advance faster than oversight.Topics covered:
• Why Navrina sees AI safety and innovation as goals that can advance together
• What the Hugging Face agent incident raises about frontier AI oversight
• The “spectrum of trust,” from internal testing to independent audits and regulation
• The risk of regulatory capture and the role of open models
• How businesses weigh AI capability, cost, and control while managing "governance debt"
• How Credo AI uses forward-deployed governance experts to help companies put oversight into practice
• Why expertise, taste, and judgment remain valuable as AI takes on more work
If you’re building, buying, or governing AI, this conversation offers a practical way to think about trust without losing sight of the technology’s promise.Subscribe to Deep View Conversations for interviews with the leaders shaping the future of AI, business, and technology: tdv.transitor.fm
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Who will be the adult in the room on AI?
What does it take for companies to use agentic AI to transform the enterprise, without losing control of the technology?In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Shibani Ahuja, SVP of …
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What does it take for companies to use agentic AI to transform the enterprise, without losing control of the technology?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Shibani Ahuja, SVP of data and AI strategy at Salesforce, to discuss how one of the world's leading software companies is applying AI with practical use cases, matching governance to risk, and building toward larger transformations ahead.
Salesforce has surprisingly embraced a "headless" AI strategy that lets customers use any AI to access their Salesforce data safely and securely. That includes its own Slackbot, which sits inside one of the world's most widely used business messaging systems. In this interview, we learn more about why Salesforce wants to give customers optionality.Shibani also lays out Salesforce’s four modes of enterprise AI, from everyday assistive tools to agents that can reshape end-to-end operations. We also discuss Koa, Salesforce’s new CRM reasoning model, why the model-plus-harness approach is so critical, and why adaptability may be the defining enterprise skill of the AI era.
Topics covered:
• Why organizations should start with practical, level-one AI use cases
• How Salesforce matches governance and ROI expectations to the risk of an AI deployment
• What Koa, Salesforce's AI model built on NVIDIA Nemotron, changes for enterprise AI
• Why operating models, process expertise, and professional services matter as much as the latest technology
• Shibani's case for AQ: the adaptability quotient for technology stacks and teamsIf you’re trying to make AI more efficient, safer, and more ROI-driven, this conversation offers a practical framework for how to build it, how to govern it, and where to start.
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Why iPhone Duo could change how we use AI
Apple's first foldable iPhone makes the case that a bigger screen is better for nearly everything in the AI era. Its new Apple Watch features raise a harder question: how much of our conversations should AI …
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Apple's first foldable iPhone makes the case that a bigger screen is better for nearly everything in the AI era. Its new Apple Watch features raise a harder question: how much of our conversations should AI remember?
In this special episode of The Deep View Conversations, we record from Apple's campus in California following its September 2026 event to unpack the iPhone Duo, the new Audio Intelligence features in Apple Watch, and what Apple's latest devices mean for AI.
We share our first hands-on impressions of the Duo, explain why foldables are becoming more useful for AI agents and multitasking, and examine the price and hardware compromises that come with Apple's new form factor. We also debate Live Rewind and Siri Recap, two new Apple Watch features coming in beta later this year. We disagree on which feature we would feel more comfortable using, opening up a broader discussion about privacy, trust, and staying present.
The conversation also covers:
• How the iPhone Duo compares with foldables from Google and Samsung
• Why Apple's software experience is the Duo's biggest advantage
• Camera, battery, durability, and Touch ID tradeoffs
• Whether foldables will eventually become the default iPhone
• Siri AI, iOS 27, and Apple's approach to other smart features without AI washing
• The social questions surrounding AI-generated conversation summaries
• The iPhone 18 Pro's camera upgrades and Apple's computational photography
• Apple silicon, the A20 Pro, and the possibilities of running AI models locally on a phone
If you're following the future of AI in phones and wearables, this conversation connects Apple's announcements to the ways people will actually use them, along with the questions that still need answers.
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What OpenAI is building for a post-prompt future
AI is transitioning from just answering questions to doing valuable work. The next challenge is making agents more accessible and simple enough that the technical details fade into the background.In this …
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AI is transitioning from just answering questions to doing valuable work. The next challenge is making agents more accessible and simple enough that the technical details fade into the background.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with two members of OpenAI's ChatGPT Work team, Tara Seshan and Ty Geri, to dig into ChatGPT Work and what OpenAI is doing to make advanced agent capabilities useful to a lot more people. We also dig into some of the current challenges and how the team is approaching them.
Seshan and Geri explain how scheduled tasks and proactive assistance are changing the way people start their workdays, why AI lets teams move from debating ideas to testing prototypes, and how personalized software can turn one-off needs into purpose-built tools. They also discuss the challenge of token costs and model selection, why "super app" isn't the most useful framing for ChatGPT and Codex, and what it will take for agents to become more persistent, proactive, and connected.
The conversation also covers:
• How OpenAI is trying to bridge local and cloud workflows
• Why Tara and Ty start their days with agents instead of Slack
• Building personal apps and tools without traditional software overhead
• The tradeoff between model capability, cost, and user control
• More persistent agents and proactive personal assistance
• Connecting agents to email, calendars, enterprise systems and third-party tools
• Privacy, security and administrative controls for agentic workIf you’re figuring out where agents fit into your work or what has to improve before you trust them with more of it, then this conversation offers a practical look at how OpenAI is preparing for that transition.
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Cheap AI raises the cost of bad judgment
AI makes software easier to create, but the harder and more valuable challenge is controlling what gets built, proving that it works, and managing it over time.In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we …
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AI makes software easier to create, but the harder and more valuable challenge is controlling what gets built, proving that it works, and managing it over time.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Florian Douetteau, CEO and co-founder of Dataiku, to explore how large organizations can turn AI agents from impressive demos into safe, maintainable systems that deliver measurable business results.
Douetteau explains why enterprise AI models are becoming commoditized, why companies may buy 90% of their agents but build the 10% that differentiates their business, and why the emerging discipline of "agent management" will be essential. He also breaks down the dilemma facing CEOs: move too slowly and competitors may gain a structural cost advantage; move too quickly without control and one major AI failure could create a crisis.Topics covered:
• Why the cost of creating with AI is falling toward zero
• Where value will accrue as models commoditize
• How to balance openness, innovation and enterprise control
• Why subject-matter experts must retain ownership of AI agents
• Why business problems, not perfect data, should drive data strategy
• How enterprises can prioritize transformative AI use cases without stifling experimentation
• The three qualities Dataiku now values most when hiring
• How leaders can use AI without falling into cognitive lazinessIf you’re trying to move enterprise AI beyond pilots, govern a growing portfolio of agents or understand where durable value will emerge as AI creation becomes cheaper, this conversation offers a practical framework for building quickly without losing control.
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How openness became AMD’s AI strategy
AI's appetite for compute keeps growing, but so does the pressure to deliver more intelligence per watt and per dollar. Can AMD's first rack-scale AI system open up an ecosystem dominated by Nvidia?In this …
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AI's appetite for compute keeps growing, but so does the pressure to deliver more intelligence per watt and per dollar. Can AMD's first rack-scale AI system open up an ecosystem dominated by Nvidia?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Andrew Dieckmann, AMD's general manager of its data center GPU business, to unpack the company's Helios platform and the rapidly changing economics of AI infrastructure.
Dieckmann explains why frontier AI requires more than just GPUs. It demands tightly engineered racks that combine GPUs, CPUs, networking, software, cooling and serviceability. The conversation examines the tension around AI data centers: hyperscalers still cannot get enough compute, while communities worry about power, water and whether the benefits justify the buildout. Andrew argues that responsible deployment and open ecosystems are essential as these systems become intelligence factories.The conversation then turns to Helios: AMD's performance claims against Nvidia Vera Rubin, pricing and value, the first likely customers, and the Cerebras partnership for high-throughput, low-latency inference. Andrew closes with his advice for leaders navigating AI velocity: reassess priorities more often and use coding agents as force multipliers for scarce engineering talent.
Topics covered:
• Why AMD is moving from chips to full rack-scale systems
• AI demand, data center constraints, and community impact
• Open hardware, open software and customer choice
• How agentic AI changed infrastructure planning
• Helios performance, efficiency, pricing and customers
• AMD Helios versus Nvidia Vera Rubin
• How AMD and Cerebras split inference workloadsThis conversation offers a clear look at the technology and economics shaping the infrastructure that will power everyday AI and the breakthroughs to come.
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The economics pushing AI toward open models
AI's next power shift isn't gonna happen in a data center. In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sat down with Jeff Morgan, co-founder and CEO of Ollama, to explore why open models are gaining …
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AI's next power shift isn't gonna happen in a data center.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sat down with Jeff Morgan, co-founder and CEO of Ollama, to explore why open models are gaining momentum, and why enterprises and developers increasingly want more control over their AI.
Morgan explains how Ollama grew from a two-week experiment into software used across 80% of the Fortune 500, how the economics of coding agents are pushing teams toward open models, and why cost, privacy and control are becoming decisive advantages. He also breaks down the hardware shift bringing data-center-class AI workloads to Apple silicon, Nvidia DGX Spark and systems powered by AMD, Intel and Qualcomm.The conversation also covers:
• How the team behind Docker Desktop came to build Ollama
• Why open models could soon process the majority of enterprise AI tokens
• The role of harnesses, tool calling, routing and subagents
• How Ollama fits into the open-source AI stack and where its business model comes in
• Why new US and European open-model labs are emerging
• Why companies may need to own and customize their intelligence layerIf you’re interested in open models, coding agents, enterprise AI or the shift from cloud-only AI to powerful local systems, this conversation offers a clear look at where the ecosystem is heading.
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Are foldables the best AI phones now?
For almost a decade, foldable phones have been a product looking for a problem to solve. They may have found their lane.In a special episode of The Deep View Conversations, we make sense of Google's and …
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For almost a decade, foldable phones have been a product looking for a problem to solve. They may have found their lane.
In a special episode of The Deep View Conversations, we make sense of Google's and Samsung's latest hardware and the AI announcements that came with them. But mostly, we talk about the new folding phones, the Pixel 11 Pro Fold and the Z Fold 8.
While folding and flip phones have existed for years, this summer both Google and Samsung upped the ante by launching new experiences that let AI enthusiasts make the most of the added screen real estate for AI workflows.
Topics covered include:
- The new AI features available on the Pixel 11 phones
- How Gemini contributes to the AI experience on mobile
- Does Google still have the lead in AI hardware?
- The minimal hardware improvements to the Pixel devices
- The advantages of owning a foldable in the AI era
- How Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 8 series compares
- The advantages of the Z Fold 8's "passport" form factor
- How Apple's foldable, rumored to launch in September, will compete
If you're trying to understand how AI is changing what you can do with a smartphone, and what your next phone purchase should be if you prioritize AI, you won't want to miss this episode.
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Let's talk about AI bubbles
AI bubble talk is rearing its head again, but the context is very different from the conversations in late 2025. In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we unpack the common arguments about an AI bubble …
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AI bubble talk is rearing its head again, but the context is very different from the conversations in late 2025.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we unpack the common arguments about an AI bubble and explain why reality naturally falls somewhere in between the doomsayers and AI absolutists.
We look at AI's "Tinker Bell problem": the boom depends partly on people continuing to believe in AI's potential, even as public skepticism grows. Beneath that belief cushion, enterprise contracts drive most of AI labs' revenue, while strong hyperscaler earnings and compute shortages suggest durable demand is building.
We debunk a viral claim that a $200 Claude subscription costs Anthropic $8,000 to serve. We also look at enterprises' push for more control, efficiency and measurable ROI, including one company's claim that some engineers' token use costs 1.5 times their compensation.
Other topics include:
• Training, inference, API pricing and token economics
• Real value, snake oil and the hype cycle
• Why AI demand outruns compute supply
• Why the AI bubble may look more like bubble wrap
• Market rotation into energy and materialsIf you're trying to separate durable AI demand from hype and understand where a real correction could begin, then this conversation offers a framework for thinking about what may pop, what may deflate and what may keep growing. Keep in mind that this is industry analysis and not investor advice.
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Android's big leap is from apps to agents
The smartphone has been built around apps and taps for nearly two decades. Google thinks AI will fundamentally change that.In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Sameer Samat, president …
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The smartphone has been built around apps and taps for nearly two decades. Google thinks AI will fundamentally change that.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Sameer Samat, president of Android ecosystem at Google, about what the company means when it says it's transforming Android from an operating system into an intelligence system.
Samat explains why the next generation of computing could shift us from micromanaging our devices to simply telling them what we want to accomplish. We dig into how AI agents could navigate apps and complete multistep tasks and why those agents need to follow us across phones, computers, cars, watches and glasses. And what happens to the app-centric model that has defined smartphones for the past 15 years?We also get into some of the practical ways this is already taking shape. Samat discusses Google’s app automations and Rambler, the new Google Keyboard experience that can turn your voice brain-dumps into polished text. He also explains how Google is thinking about permissions, sandboxing and human oversight as AI agents gain the ability to take action on our behalf.
The conversation goes well beyond the phone. We talk about why smart glasses and cars could be especially powerful interfaces for AI agents, what Google learned from the original Google Glass, and why the best AI features may be the ones consumers barely think of as AI.Other topics covered include:
• How AI is already changing work inside Google
• Why product managers can now build functional prototypes themselves
• Samat's favorite overlooked AI tool
• His "calendar cleanse" strategy for getting time back
If you’re trying to understand where mobile computing goes next, what AI agents will actually look like on phones, and how Google plans to weave intelligence across devices, this conversation offers insights into what the company is building and why.Subscribe to Deep View Conversations for interviews with the leaders shaping the future of AI, business, and technology: tdv.transitor.fm
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Why AI's next era may not belong to LLMs
What comes after large language models?In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Zuzanna Stamirowska, CEO of Pathway, to explore why her team believes today’s dominant AI architecture has …
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What comes after large language models?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Zuzanna Stamirowska, CEO of Pathway, to explore why her team believes today’s dominant AI architecture has fundamental limits, and what it could take to move beyond them.
Pathway is developing Dragon Hatchling, a new architecture designed to give AI native memory, continual learning, and a different approach to reasoning. Stamirowska explains why today’s LLMs can appear to remember without actually internalizing what they learn, why reasoning through language creates its own constraints and costs, and how Pathway is trying to build models that can think in a more abstract way.
The conversation looks at how those architectural changes could affect hallucinations, interpretability, safety, and the enormous compute demands of modern AI. Stamirowska shares how her background in complex systems and game theory shaped Pathway’s approach, why the company made an early bet on challenging the transformer, and how the AI coding revolution has already radically changed the way her own team works.
Topics covered:
• Why transformers struggle with memory and continual learning
• How Pathway’s Dragon Hatchling architecture works
• How a different architecture could reduce compute costs
• How interpretability could make advanced AI more predictable
• Why Pathway’s engineers have largely stopped writing code themselves
• How Stamirowska uses Codex, Claude Code, and other AI tools
• Why leaders should be ruthless about identifying the critical pathIf you’re interested in what could come after today’s LLMs, and whether the next big leap in AI will require more than simply scaling transformers, this conversation offers a fascinating look at one of the teams betting on a fundamentally different path.
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Why AI’s next power shift starts on your desk
What happens when powerful AI no longer has to live in the cloud?In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Mark Papermaster, CTO of AMD, about why the next major shift in AI could happen on …
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What happens when powerful AI no longer has to live in the cloud?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we talked with Mark Papermaster, CTO of AMD, about why the next major shift in AI could happen on the device sitting on your desk.
Papermaster explains how computers could soon run sophisticated models and teams of private AI agents locally, offering greater speed, security and control without recurring token costs. He also makes the case that AI will be even more transformative than the smartphone because it will be embedded across nearly every device, industry and aspect of daily life.
The conversation also covers:- Why open ecosystems matter in the AI era
- How AI is accelerating science, agriculture and industry
- The growing energy demands of AI
- How leaders can reinvent workflows with agents
- Why local AI could reduce cloud dependence and vendor lock-in
- Papermaster’s lessons from four decades in technology
If you’re interested in less lock-in, open ecosystems, and how enterprises can run AI more efficiently and privately, this conversation offers a look at what a more distributed and secure AI future could look like.
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Why modeling 'I don’t know' is AI's most urgent problem
AI systems almost always have an answer, even when they should say, “I don’t know.”In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, senior reporter Sabrina Ortiz speaks with Ruchir Puri, chief scientist at IBM …
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AI systems almost always have an answer, even when they should say, “I don’t know.”
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, senior reporter Sabrina Ortiz speaks with Ruchir Puri, chief scientist at IBM Research, about why uncertainty modeling may be AI’s most urgent technical challenge.
Puri explains why today’s models struggle to recognize the limits of their own knowledge, how that failure contributes to hallucinations, and what researchers must solve before AI can become more reliable. He also explores the need for self-improving models, the enormous energy gap between artificial and human intelligence, and why the future of AI depends on doing more with less compute.
The conversation also covers:
• Why Puri predicted in 2020 that AI would transform software development
• How big data, GPUs, and transformer architectures created the current AI boom
• Why intelligence involves more than IQ
• The roles of emotional and relationship intelligence
• Why language models cannot capture the full complexity of the physical world
• How AI could help redesign software, quantum computing, and chip development
• Why Puri prefers "artificial useful intelligence" over AGIRather than chasing abstract definitions of general intelligence, Puri argues that the industry should focus on building AI that is useful, efficient, adaptable, and honest about what it does not know.
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Why sovereign AI is so urgent in the agentic era
Is it possible for enterprises to build AI agents they can actually trust?In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, Senior Reporter Sabrina Ortiz sat down with Priya Srinivasan of IBM to discuss Sovereign …
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Is it possible for enterprises to build AI agents they can actually trust?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, Senior Reporter Sabrina Ortiz sat down with Priya Srinivasan of IBM to discuss Sovereign Core, IBM’s software designed to enable enterprises to deploy AI in a secure, compliant, and sovereign way.
As AI moves from chatbots to agents that can take real action inside organizations, companies need more than speed. They need to know where their data lives, where their models run, who has access, and whether their AI systems comply with internal policies and external regulations.
Srinivasan explains why digital sovereignty is becoming more urgent in the AI era, especially for governments, regulated industries, and enterprises trying to move AI projects from proof of concept to production. She also breaks down how Sovereign Core is designed to bring the control plane, security, access, compliance evidence, and deployment flexibility inside an organization’s own boundaries.
Topics covered include:
- What digital sovereignty means in the age of AI
- Why AI agents raise new questions around governance and trust
- How IBM Sovereign Core helps enterprises deploy AI workloads
- Why compliance can slow AI projects from reaching production
- What "sovereignty with receipts" means
- How companies can balance speed, cost, compliance, and innovation
- Why regulated industries need stronger AI governance from day one
If you’re interested in enterprise AI, agents, governance, compliance, or how major companies are trying to make AI production-ready, this conversation offers a look at what the next stage of trustworthy AI deployment will require.
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How to rethink AGI through multimodal systems
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sat down with Caroline Ingeborn, COO of Luma, an AI lab dedicated to omnimodal intelligence, to discuss where generalized physical AI could take us. Rather …
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In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sat down with Caroline Ingeborn, COO of Luma, an AI lab dedicated to omnimodal intelligence, to discuss where generalized physical AI could take us.
Rather than focusing only on video models, Luma takes an omnimodal, or multimodal, approach, creating models that understand text, video, images and audio. This, said Ingeborn, is because humans don't think in one modality.
These kinds of models have many potential use cases and could even help researchers achieve general intelligence. Luma's primary audience right now is the creative industries, such as entertainment, advertising and marketing. Ingeborn said she sees the technology as enhancing the creative experience rather than replacing creative professionals.
Topics covered include:
- Where AI fits into creative workflows
- The ethical lines of AI in creativity
- Luma's mission towards generalized physical intelligence
- Physical AI's potential impact on the labor market
- The different approaches to building world models
- The dangers of centralized power in physical AGI
If you're following the progress of world models, physical AI and robotics, and the use of AI in creative fields, then this episode offers a deeper look at how these technologies are being used today and the transformative impact they could have in the future.
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Can AI create a golden age of scientific discovery?
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Yossi Matias, head of Google Research, to explore how AI is transforming the way science gets done.Rather than replacing scientists, Google is …
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In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Yossi Matias, head of Google Research, to explore how AI is transforming the way science gets done.
Rather than replacing scientists, Google is building AI systems designed to amplify human ingenuity. From searching millions of research papers to generating new hypotheses and accelerating experiments, these tools aim to help researchers move from ideas to discoveries faster than ever before.
Yossi explains why he believes we're entering a new era where AI can democratize scientific research, empower the next generation of scientists, and dramatically shorten the path from breakthrough to real-world impact.
Topics covered include:
- How Gemini for Science is changing research workflows
- What AI Co-Scientist, AlphaEvolve, and the Empirical Research Assistant actually do
- Why the scientific method is becoming even more important in the AI era
- How Google is partnering with universities including Stanford and Imperial College
- Why AI could give every researcher a "virtual lab" in their pocket
- What a golden age of scientific discovery might look like
If you're interested in AI, scientific discovery, biotechnology, or the future of innovation, this conversation offers a look at how one of the world's leading AI research organizations sees the next decade unfolding.
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Why Snap chose a face computer over AI glasses
Snap CEO Evan Spiegel joins The Deep View Conversations to discuss SPECS, Snap's long-awaited augmented reality glasses and why he believes they represent a new era of computing.Senior reporter Sabrina Ortiz …
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Snap CEO Evan Spiegel joins The Deep View Conversations to discuss SPECS, Snap's long-awaited augmented reality glasses and why he believes they represent a new era of computing.
Senior reporter Sabrina Ortiz interviewed Evan at Augmented World Expo immediately after the SPECS unveiling and Spiegel explained why Snap spent more than a decade building toward this moment, how SPECS differ from AI smart glasses and mixed reality headsets, and why he sees AR glasses as the future beyond smartphones.
Other topics covered include:
- Why Snap calls SPECS a "computer" instead of AI glasses
- How SPECS combine wearability with advanced spatial computing
- The role AI played in making consumer AR glasses viable
- Why shared experiences could become AR's killer app
- The challenge of competing with Apple, Meta, and other tech giants
- Snap's 12-year investment in augmented reality hardware and software
- The importance of developers in building the AR ecosystem
- Why Spiegel believes people are ready for an alternative to smartphones
- How AR glasses could make computing more human
Spiegel argues that after nearly two decades of smartphone dominance, consumers are increasingly looking for a more natural way to interact with technology. Snap's bet is that augmented reality glasses can bring computing into the world around us instead of pulling us away from it.
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The 3 human skills that will endure in the AI era
Perplexity has become one of the most important AI companies in the world, but its ambitions now stretch far beyond AI-powered search.In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Dmitry …
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Perplexity has become one of the most important AI companies in the world, but its ambitions now stretch far beyond AI-powered search.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sit down with Dmitry Shevelenko, chief business officer at Perplexity, to discuss how the company evolved from an AI answer engine into a platform for AI agents and digital coworkers. Dmitry explains why Perplexity has focused so intensely on accuracy, how AI is changing the nature of work, and why he believes the future belongs to small, highly leveraged teams.
The conversation also explores Perplexity Computer, hybrid compute, the coming shift toward AI agents, and what leaders need to do to stay relevant in a world where AI increasingly performs knowledge work.
Topics covered:
• Why Perplexity made accuracy its defining principle
• How Perplexity grew from 20 employees to 400
• The rise of AI agents and digital coworkers
• Why Perplexity abandoned advertising as a core strategy
• How Perplexity Computer orchestrates multiple AI models
• The future of hybrid cloud and local AI computing
• Why "tokenmaxxing" may not be sustainable
• How AI is reshaping entry-level jobs
• Why entrepreneurship may become the new career path
• The three skills that will matter most in the AI era
• How leaders should think about leverage and productivity
• What Perplexity sees coming next in AI
If you're trying to understand where AI agents are headed, how work is changing, and why Perplexity has emerged as one of the AI industry's key players, this is a conversation you won't want to miss.
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Apple fixed Siri, but that's not its biggest AI story
At Apple Park, Jason Hiner and Sabrina Ortiz sat down for a special episode of The Deep View Conversations at the end of WWDC 2026 to break down Apple's biggest AI announcements.After two years of delays …
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At Apple Park, Jason Hiner and Sabrina Ortiz sat down for a special episode of The Deep View Conversations at the end of WWDC 2026 to break down Apple's biggest AI announcements.
After two years of delays, promises, and mounting pressure, Apple finally delivered the Siri and Apple Intelligence experience we've been waiting for. But the bigger story may be how Apple is bringing AI to everyday users without forcing them into chatbots, new apps, or complicated workflows.
In this conversation, Jason and Sabrina unpack the most important announcements from WWDC, debate Apple's approach to AI, and explore where Apple's strategy differs from OpenAI, Google, Anthropic, and the rest of the industry.
Topics covered include:
- Why Apple's new Siri is a much bigger deal than it looks
- How 'Personal Context' is Apple's biggest AI advantage
- Why Apple is betting on features over chatbots
- The role of privacy, trust, and Private Cloud Compute
- Why Spatial Reframing is Apple's most innovative AI feature
- How Apple Intelligence works with Apple's Foundation Models and Google Gemini
- The AI upgrades coming to Photos, Safari, Messages, Writing Tools, and Mac
- Why Jason thinks Apple needs a stronger AI agent strategy
- Why Sabrina believes Apple is right to avoid AI buzzwords
- What WWDC revealed about the future of AI on iPhone, Mac, Vision Pro, and beyond
- The biggest wins, misses, and unanswered questions from Apple's AI roadmap
If you're trying to understand where AI is actually headed, beyond the hype cycle, this is an episode you won't want to miss. Whether you're an Apple user, an AI enthusiast, a developer, or simply curious about how AI will show up in everyday life, this conversation offers one of the clearest perspectives on Apple's next chapter.
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AI's real question isn't whether AGI arrives
Ahmad Al-Dahle has been at the center of some of the biggest technology and societal shifts of the past two decades. He helped develop the early iPhone at Apple, spearheaded the open-source Llama models at Meta …
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Ahmad Al-Dahle has been at the center of some of the biggest technology and societal shifts of the past two decades. He helped develop the early iPhone at Apple, spearheaded the open-source Llama models at Meta to help decentralize AI power and influence, and now serves as CTO of Airbnb, where he's using AI to help people spend more time in the real world.
In this episode of The Deep View Conversations, we sat down with Ahmad to discuss Airbnb's vision for AI, why he believes AGI is coming, how AI agents are revolutionizing executive workflows, and why technology should ultimately help people spend less time with technology and more time having human experiences.
Topics covered include:
+ Why Ahmad left Apple after over 15 years
+ How Airbnb is using AI to reimagine travel and drive more meaningful connections
+ The future of open-source AI and the impact of Llama
+ Why Ahmad believes AGI is inevitable and what comes next
+ How AI agents are transforming leadership and productivity
+ Lessons from working with Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, and Brian Chesky
If you're a leader, AI builder, entrepreneur, investor, or anyone trying to understand where AI is headed beyond the hype, you don't want to miss this episode. Ahmad's insights on AGI, open models, AI agents, and the future of human connection make this one of the most thoughtful discussions we've had on the show.
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Behind the current AI boom is a developer community that both uses and builds powerful tools. Google recently released a wave of new developer-focused AI tools at Google I/O, but one person has gone further …
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Behind the current AI boom is a developer community that both uses and builds powerful tools. Google recently released a wave of new developer-focused AI tools at Google I/O, but one person has gone further: fostering an entire online community.
Google's Logan Kilpatrick joined Sabrina Ortiz on The Deep View Conversations podcast straight from Google I/O, not only to share more insights on the new products but also to draw on his rich quilt of experiences to address the broader AI space, the future of software engineering, the developer community and more.
While Logan's official role is as a member of technical staff at Google DeepMind, he has become a well-respected voice in the developer community, accumulating over 320K followers on X and constantly engaging with users. Prior to joining Google, Logan worked for NASA, OpenAI, Apple, and other AI startups, making him a builder at his core.
Topics covered in this episode:
+ 'Vibe coding' compared to agentic engineering
+ The capabilities of Google's new Gemini 3.5 Flash
+ The internal "flywheel" at Google, where teams use AI to accelerate the development of products
+ The differences between AI Studio and Project Antigravity
+ The need for developers to regularly "reset their level of ambition”
If you want to understand the distinction between rapid prototyping and managing million-line production codebases with AI, this conversation will leave you much more knowledgeable about the principles of agentic engineering.
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